Wednesday, April 25, 2007

Pilots denounced for demanding pay hikes!

This is so absurd!

They are already among the best paid pilots in the world....oh this is totally shameless. They are suppose to have a passion and love for flying but all we see is greed for more money. Nobody in Singapore has the right to demand higher pay....can the poorly paid cleaner ask for higher pay? Can bus drivers award themselves pay hikes? Who do these pilots think they are! Their overdeveloped sense of entitlement is so so outrageous and unjustifiable, just because they belong to the most profitable airlines in the world doesn't mean they deserve more because it is the collective effort of countless other employees (stewardess, ticketing staff, baggage handlers etc) that brought about this success.

The pilots are asking to be paid more for A380 because they are responsible for more people. Are they trying to hold us hostage in their negotiation for higher pay? We all know that the plane will crash and sink into the ocean if it is piloted by incompetent people. However to use this to justify their pay hike is so underhanded because we have no alternative source for pilots other than the Alpa-S union. While the pilots claim to be underpaid and making a painful sacrifice to be in SIA, the turnover rate of 1% shows that this is not the case....contrary to their claims, they can't do better else where.

If they continue to make unreasonable demands, you can be sure that our esteeemed MM Lee will step in and crush them just like he did their former colleague Ryan Goh. People who ask for unreasonable pay hikes deserve to be fired, humiliated and banished. Singaporeans are so lucky to have a dedicated MM who will see that justice is done.

32 comments:

Anonymous said...

you're brillant. linking this to the pee and pee pay raise

Anonymous said...

What you passengers need is a good dose of bad airmanship to truly appreciate the value of having the best pilots.

EliotNew said...

'...They are already among the best paid pilots in the world....oh this is totally shameless. ..'

How do you know...from the newspaper... Do you think you get the full and real picture from our propanganda machine!!

'...Nobody in Singapore has the right to demand higher pay....'

Sorry are you being sacrcastic and just plain stupid! EVERYONE IN SINGAPORE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DEMAND HIGHERPAY!! Unfortunately, only ALPA-S is the only true union in singapore that dare and will fight for the benefit of its members.

'... deserve more because it is the collective effort of countless other employees (stewardess, ticketing staff, baggage handlers etc) that brought about this success...'

Do you know because of ALPA-S leadership in handling employees matter, the rest of the unions in SIA manage to get better terms in their negotiation.

'...However to use this to justify their pay hike is so underhanded because we have no alternative source for pilots other than the Alpa-S union....'

Hey bro, isn't this the very same argument that our government leaders use when they justify their pay hike. You want good people, you pay for good people. Fair isn't it!

Anyway, I really hope that one day when you are on board a plane and have a heart attack and there is no doctor on board, I hope you can remember what you just said in your positing

LuckySingaporean said...

::::How do you know...from the newspaper... Do you think you get the full and real picture from our propanganda machine!!:::

Propaganda? No lah Straits Times contain the truth - its a matter of whether it's the whole truth or half truth...sometimes space is limited so the can only print half the truth but it is still the truth.

:::Sorry are you being sacrcastic and just plain stupid! EVERYONE IN SINGAPORE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DEMAND HIGHERPAY!! Unfortunately, only ALPA-S is the only true union in singapore that dare and will fight for the benefit of its members. ::::

How dare you call me stupid!! I was a card-carrying member of MENSA okay. You ever heard of Ryan Goh? He also demand higher pay now he is jobless in Australia. Chee Soon Juan is one stupid feller, he also demanded higher pay BUT FOR OTHERS...see where it got him...jailed and bankrupt. Please don't delude yourself, you can ask for higher pay, but once you demand its another matter.

::::Do you know because of ALPA-S leadership in handling employees matter, the rest of the unions in SIA manage to get better terms in their negotiation.::::

I see you are saying the Alpa-S is very noble, it is doing all this for others while doing for itself. Come on don't try to hide behind others okay if Alpa-S pilots are greedy just come out and say so. It is so cowardly to pretend to be doing for others what you're doing for yourself.

:::::Hey bro, isn't this the very same argument that our government leaders use when they justify their pay hike. You want good people, you pay for good people. Fair isn't it!::::

How dare you compare pilots with our elite leaders! This is almost blasphemous....there must be laws against this. Our leaders run a 4 trillion dollar economy, made painful sacrifices to be politicians, Without them our nation will collapse, our wives and children will turn into maids. How can pilots every compare, most of the time the plane is on autopilot mode. They are worth less than taxi drivers for which my life depends on every day.

:::::Anyway, I really hope that one day when you are on board a plane and have a heart attack and there is no doctor on board, I hope you can remember what you just said in your positing.:::::

How dare you curse me just to justify pay hikes. I hope one day all the cleaners in your estate quit and rubbish pile up and dengue breeds then you will know the importances of cleaners....lets see who is more important cleaners or pilots.

Anonymous said...

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however, all high salary aspirants and wealth creators must be prepared for the 'greater good'. many jobs will be blown away( if our ministers will to succeed in exorcising with their latent surgical talents) and the economic numbers may even fail to rise and impress if this 'monstrousity' of Intellectual Profanity be curtailed . the papers too may have to sacrifice a lost in advertisement revenues in 'intellectual pornperty rights'.
will they do the conscientious thing for the good of the people or will they continue to parade in pharisaical cloaks and indulge in this conflicting extraordinary moral dilemma between wealth and social health in protection of 'Intellectual Pornperty Right'???

i have faith that this unique city will save us from international embrassment!

Anonymous said...

luckytan:

I would just like to say that I really enjoy you sharing the Truth. Please don't stop.

I think eliotnew was being childish in his last para by cursing you like that.

Anyway I definitely agree with you that taxi drivers and cleaners are more important to me 'cos I depend on them every day too =)

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Anonymous said...

It's hilarious how some people totally missed the point from LuckySingaporean's posting... :) And kudos to LuckySingaporean for a brilliant follow up to Eliotnew...

Anonymous said...

I was lol then sad ( when eliotnew totally missed the wit and sarcasm ) and finally rofl when lucky singaporean responded. LS - you are simply brilliant!

Anonymous said...

To eliotnew:

Sigh, it is actually quite painful to see you missing the whole point of luckytan's post and then "blasting" the him for your own misunderstanding.

Please read through the lucky tan's previous posting, try to see what message he has been trying to put across all this time and if you try hard enough, you will soon find out who was being sarcastic and who was just plain stupid.

Anonymous said...

If this dispute go further, expect the expected.

Then we will have the 'fear factor' rerun. SIA will go down, Singapore will go down etc, etc.

I am sleepy.

Anonymous said...

Lucky Tan has knack for been sarcastic and many people doesn't know it at all. That's a good thing because what he written is basically a form of humour and wit.

Many people are very slow to understand what he trying to convey.

Singapore is indeed lucky to have Lucky Tan. He will bring good luck to laymen but bad luck to those working in PayAndPay scam.

Anonymous said...

Can the citizens bring the minister's pay issue to arbitration court?

Anonymous said...

i say, pay the piiots what they want! they are more important than pap minitoots, what!

if pap minitoots kenna voted out, we can still be maids. but if pilots would fly, we can't even fly to other countries to be maids!!!

a group of concerned ah lians and ah sohs

Anonymous said...

we are in the advent of yet another made in kinkypore idea. it is going to be the fusion of kinkypore and the forbidden city to create a new city called 'echo city'. the unique feature about this echo city is in its ability to reflect the people's voices as balls would bounce off the wall.

stb is confident that echo city will be a major tourist attraction especially single travellers will never be lonely or not having someone around to talk to anymore.

Anonymous said...

We should pay the pilots more.

SIA is not any mediocre airline, it's extraordinary.

Our pilots would definitely command higher salaries in the private sector. Who knows, even Morgan Stanley and Goldman sachs will want them since they have better than the "helicopter view" that elite civil servants have.

Without them, we can't fly out when Singapore collapse.

I think MM will tell the SIA management to look at things in the right proportion. What is a few million dollar increase compared to SIA's long term survival???

What if MM's wife is critically ill and there isn't a pilot willing to fly her out of some mediocre european country the next time round?

Perhaps, MM might even arbitrage for the pilots to donate their pay increase to some useful causes like a new building for Alpha-S officers.

I am waiting patiently for the drama to unfold and see who kenna this time round.

Singapore is so hip and happening. Gosh, MM is right to question why some singaporeans have the conscience to leave this theatre.

PAP Lover said...

Lucky singaporean, you are so wise, Unlike most of the deluded bloggers... Just opposing the government for the sake of being anti-establishment.

And the pilots should be fired en masse and foreign pilots should just take over the job!

Man, I cannot wait for our divine heavenly MM Lee to wipe them all off Singapore!

Indeed, if the ONLY founder of Singapore has to step in again, we should propose a special MM pay hike of another few million dollars for doing such dirty job.

Veefer said...

Lucky, how dare you compare airline pilots to taxi drivers..... they are not!! It is an insult to taxi drivers as their equals are the chartered aircraft pilots whose services are more exclusive. The actual equivalent to airline pilot is the public bus driver.

If the SIA pilots can get a pay raise, the public bus drivers should be paid more as well, for all the responsibilities that they undertake.

Anonymous said...

silleeporeans so scare...mib sink...we all die. i dun want to die....please....i will be maid, coolies, casino operator, sell anything and everything under sun.. please...chee and lee make lots of love make lots of money not war. i dun want everything to sink ka liao!lol.and yes, time for robots to take over the air liao....lol.

Anonymous said...

goodnews today. the euphoria continues chipping away unabatedly and unabashedly to the tune of $4b. the reasons supplied, without much coercion, were as usual.low taxation.secretive incentives.high skilled labour without extraordinary pay. strong infrastructural support from Extraordinary Dense Buttering and extraordinary Paid Administrative Personnel without which, there shall be no parade with two great views of our magnificent city skyline and sky high salary.

deep-pocketed-ly impressed by foreign investors awe of our first crass extraordinaires, the govt shall fork out $2b for tech surveillance on their 60 000 strong officers to ensure they remain within their web of control and stronghold. the new system revere name is: Standard Oppressive Environment(SOE) eagerly anticipated by all public servants.

lastly, this news is unfit for print because it is too optimistic.

Anonymous said...

Lucky, you are right. Hot damn these pilots don't know how good things are for them - we have a competent government and highly qualified ministers who had to learn on the job while doing it.

These pilots only had to learn to fly aircraft - they don't have to deal with the big stuff and annoying people.

So they need to understand that they must make sacrifices, just like all of us. Including the ministers who might have earned even bigger salaries in the outside world.

Anonymous said...

Are you guys all on crack or somenting????
Umbelieavable.
Pilots deserve higher pay.
End of the story. If the Ministers in charge of 4 million people get a raise, so do the pilots in charge of passengers and their safety.
So what is valid for one,is not valid fo the other?
I say support our pilots all the way.

Anonymous said...

but but Lucky, if we dont increase their pay, they will become corrupt - they might sneak people into planes or take a cut from every passenger, or have illegal cargo.

we only need to compare their pay to the salaries of other key transport/logistics roles - bus/MRT/taxi/shipping - you will note that they've not received a proper increment since the 90s.

and yes, as noted by another commentor - if we dont pay them well, our Singapore Girls might become maids/ cleaners in other airline companies.

they're the best pilots on earth, and if we dont pay them well, they might want to join the public sector instead...we cant replace them!

eliotnew - you're funny. i would love to read your blog, if you do have one. please share.

you DO know you have a great future in PAP politics, dont you? but make sure you can rap and breakdance first. how well can you say "Yes, sir"?

Anonymous said...

Singaporeans (just generalising ah, don't crucify me) can't see sacarsm even if it hits them in the head. LOL!

Anonymous said...

very interesting arguments raised by SIA.
- changing planes is like changing cars.
- with technology, only need two fingers to fly an airplane.

wow - if that's the case, it must be really be easy to become a pilot. they can fire all these protesting pilots and give the job to me instead. i'm willing to take the "small" pay.

Anonymous said...

It seems that you are a typical narrow-minded and shallow-thinking Singaporeans, always staying at the bottom of their own well and yet think that's the whole world they are living in.

Just do one thing and convince yourself of your very stupid opinions in this topic - how much do you think pilots over at Qantas, British Airways or simply, Cathay Pacific is earning - here's a hint; SQ pilots only earn about 50% - 60% of what they earned, and that's a fact.

So, could you stop go round telling the world that SQ pilots one of the best paid in the industry, or simply, keep your mouth shut if you do not know anything. At least, nobody know that yu are a ignorant and ill-informed person.

Anonymous said...

Do you know why Singaporeans are perceived by the Hongkongers, the Chinese and the Taiwanese to be stupid yet always think they are damned smart?

Yup, you had totally examplified what most Singaporeans are - narrow-mindedness. A clear result of a government tightly controlled media and the PAP's idiotic mentality of "What I say is correct and you just listen, UNDERSTAND!"

Lucky, you better stay in Singapore and do not travel to another country, as your kind of mentality will definitely be a laughing stock to others.


Or at least when you are overseas,please do not try and impress others about your narrow views, it's very irritating!

Anonymous said...

The fact that Lee Kuan Yew supported the highly disgusting pay rise for his bunch of ministers makes him the most inappropriate and unqualified person to intervene in the dispute between SQ and its pilots.

Maddy said...

credit due to ST and the rest of the paps for this perfectly timed, ironic reports to parady the PAP pay hikes, whoops, i mean the ministers' well deserved pay rises

Anonymous said...

The MPs should fly the A380s.
They are well paid and the best in the nation.
The Pilots should switch jobs with the MPs as they r able to pilot us into the future.
Howszat?

Anonymous said...

Hey didn't the management just give themselves 6 months' bonus???

Anonymous said...

"..They are already among the best paid pilots in the world...."

the writer needs to substantiate this with stats, so this is bullshit.

"They are suppose to have a passion and love for flying but all we see is greed for more money."

Is the writer working at $0 for his boss? i m impressed if so.*clap clap*

"We all know that the plane will crash and sink into the ocean if it is piloted by incompetent people."

Yes yes yes...and yes.

"However to use this to justify their pay hike is so underhanded because we have no alternative source for pilots other than the Alpa-S union."

For the benefit of all and the not so well informed writer/blogger, the Alpa-S union do not PROVIDE/PRODUCE pilots, therefore it cannot be a source for airlines to get pilots. Obviously the writer have minimal knowledge of this industry. Maybe minimal is an understatement..anyway.

"it is the collective effort of countless other employees (stewardess, ticketing staff, baggage handlers etc) that brought about this success."

I definately agree.

Seriously, the writer actually carries a MENSA card???But i think any taxi driver can fly him on a big airliner because all the taxi driver needs to do is turn on the autopilot...the public bus driver can do the job too. too easy! i hope you'll enjoy the flight =)

the writer is funny, i agree and i just cant stop laughing (at him). Yes pls stay in SINGAPORE for the rest of your life, lest you become a joke.