Friday, October 17, 2008

Minibonds : No leadership in times of trouble....!

I tell you why Singapore minibond investors are lucky. They are lucky that the product was also sold in Hong Kong and Taiwan where the people are empowered to seek justice, pressure their leaders to do what is right and demand action from the authorities by protesting. I'm quite sure that the minibond investors there will eventually receive what is rightfully theirs....and the Singapore banks and authorities will be compelled to give investors the same resolution otherwise it will be too embarassing for Singapore as financial hub to continue its business.
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"If the regulator finds evidence a bank that sold the Lehman products didn't have procedures in place that could prevent abuses, that could be enough to impose penalties, Mr. Steward said. It wouldn't be necessary, in other words, to process each complaint from potentially thousands of investors individually -- a process that could take years" - Wall Street Journal on the probe by HK authorities.
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Hong Kong Chief Executive Donald Tsang demand answers from banks by this week on whether they will buy back the Lehman minibonds : [Link]. His message to the bank is stern - I think he will be twisting their arms for a quick and fair resolution.
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Lets recap how the MAS handled the situation. The initial reaction from the MAS was to ask the investors to go back to the banks individually if they had complaints[Link]. This is the sure way to get the worse deal for investors and someone wrote on the one of the forums that the MAS was asking for the investors to "be divided and conquered". MAS then met up with the banks and hammered a deal to have the banks appoint their own independent investigators. All this was done without first meeting investors to discuss how best to help them. It was Tan Kin Lian who saw the importance of getting investors organised - petition, protest at Hong Lim, seeing MPs in groups and preparing affidavits. He said that if one person said that he was missold he may be ignored but if one thousand people swear they were missold these products it is a powerful statement. Among the 1st words from our govt on the issue was a remark from SM Goh Chok Tong telling the investors ".... that's life, if you want good rewards, you have to take risks. Otherwise, leave your money with the CPF". Singaporeans are to accept injustice as that is part of life in Singapore?
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There are about 10,000 investors who lost money in these structured products. Many lost their entire lifesavings. Many felt cheated. Many desperate for help. If ever leadership is needed in govt this is the moment....a moment of crisis and pain for so many Singaporeans. Anxious Singaporean investors needed to do something for themselves and understand the best way forward. There was clearly a need for collective action and leadership to organise such an action. There was leadership but not from the men and women who are paid millions for their services. It was Tan Kin Lian and the many ordinary Singaporeans who step forward to help. They did it not for money but for justice and their fellow Singaporeans.
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By the end of this week or next, the leaders in Hong Kong will wrap up this problem. Our best paid govt in the world will have to take direction from Hong Kong.

94 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Lucky

Are you sure you want PAP *Leadership*?

Look at what is happening each time the Bush\Ben\Paulson open their mouth.

Sgcynic said...

We Singaporeans are indeed lucky. We get this chance to tell who our true leaders are: the ones that step up to lead in times of need vs the ones who get paid to do nothing, even worse, that get paid to tell people that they are stupid.

Great MAS Banker Goh Chok Tong said...

Hi folks, this minibond & HN5 issue is a small saga for you Singaporeans. Warm-up exercise.

The day of reckoning will come when your CPF will be wiped out. Almost surely....with Probability 1given our record of how we like to boast of deep pockets but make shitty investments....

When that day comes, I will be in Switerland and I will say, 'That's life....'.

Great Banker Goh Chok Tong of MAS

Anonymous said...

From the Lehman-minibond fiasco, we all can see how incompetent the political leadership in singapore really is.

The person in the forefront trying to help the investors is Mr Tan, not our obscenely-overpaid ministers.

MAS, led by an ex-prime minister and guided by yet another overpaid minister, has no idea how to steer our banks to restore public confidence. We end up following the leadership of HK and Australia, who were ahead of us in guaranteeing bank deposits.

Clearly, paying top dollar for this type of leadership doesn't mean we will get capable.

The entire pap leadership could vanish, and I bet we won't even know the difference. Heck, the stock market might even rally.

bus driver said...

That's life...It's an honest mistake...Let's move on.....

Anonymous said...

In times of crisis like this, we are really thankful to see the leadership and resolve displayed by the leaders - only problem is that they are all from Hong Kong.

Anonymous said...

"The entire pap leadership could vanish, and I bet we won't even know the difference", unquote.

The Above could not have been better expressed.

Probably if the PAP Leadership vanish, there is likelihood that the people will suffer less headaches and heartpains.

patriot

Anonymous said...

Sorry to sound mean, but if any of those who invested in mini-bonds-related products vote for these guys, I say, you deserve what you voted and what you bought. The author is spot on that they are just Lucky to have these same products sold in HK and Taiwan or else they will get Zero back.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Singaporean should be thankful to the Hong Kongers for their protests. They often say Singaporeans are too dependent on our government. It looks like we are more dependent on Hong kong people in this case.

Thank You Hong Kong

yamizi said...

Lucky,

In the end, Tan Kin Lian and others also want their monie back what. What you mean by they do for justice and not monie?

lol

Anonymous said...

i think we should all take the lead as advised by Goh Chok Tong and Lim Swee Say...

liquidate everything you have and put to CPF. 2.5% per annum! wow!! and we get monthly statements telling us how great our funds are doing.

and we get to buy insurance at the end of our working lives that will guarantee us monthly payments to get by, while we work at mcdonald's and clear tables.

I love it - The Singaporean Dream. I should be leaving HK and heading back to Singapore right now!

Who's Afraid Of The Big Bad Wolf said...

Every dynasty or empire will reach a point when the only way is down.

When I think of the local dynasty, what came to mind are the visuals from the film 'The Last Emperor'.

Anonymous said...

Blame entirely on the greed of our gov who has great stake in DBS bank. In the effort to accelerate the Singapore's reputation as of financial hub, they are greedy of not only want to cheat and exploit investors in Singapore but in the world !
Have DBS cheat and deceive investors in Singapore only as exemplify by Singtel and GLC companies here, their scam won't be exposed publicly and they can use kangaroo law to suppress the burnt investors, and not give back investors a single cent.

But once they affect truly democratic countries like Hong Kong and Australia, the scam and con jobs will be exposed. Singapore coffers still think they can play the same trick on other nations ?

Gov's greed and deceit is to blame entirely, no one else, not even the investors.

Anonymous said...

Yamizi, Tan Kin Lian has stated very clearly in his blog that he does not have any investments in these products.

http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-personal-investments-in-structured.html

Mr. Padedoh said...

Hi All,
It seems that over 10,000 Singaporeans have been affected in this debacle. Furthermore losses are in excess of 90%, ex. Interest paid.

DBS has to solve this problem - the principle in question is 130 million. The reputational damage done, not only locally, but internationally as well is way exceeds this amount.

Furthermore, there seems to be a case for misrepresentation. The products in question were derivatives of a derivative. Tell me, which Relationship Manager could adequately advise the client. Furthermore, this investment is not suitable for those, especially retirees to plough in their savings.

In the US, a lot has been made out about predatory lending? Did the Relationship Managers act in a 'predatory' manner, seeking out clients without first understanding the product in question, or judging its suitability? At a minimum, there is a case to be brought against the highest ranking CFA charterholder in DBS on failure to ensure that those under the supervision act within the guidelines specified by the Code of Ethics. (clear violation of Standard III C Duties to Client )

I am appalled at those who cast blame on the investors. Those who do so,lack the finer points of humanity to be able to cast such cold comments without having an understanding on ethics and fair dealing.

I, Wenger Khairy, am not an investor, let alone a Singaporean. However, this entire episode stinks so bad, it can be smelt across the causeway, and is a very poor reflection on what used to be a model state and government.

Xtrocious said...

"By the end of this week or next, the leaders in Hong Kong will wrap up this problem. Our best paid govt in the world will have to take direction from Hong Kong."

Maybe that's their idea all along - let others sweat it out for a solution and then they just adopt it as if it was their own...

Brilliant isn't it?

No wonder they deserve top dollar - NOT!

ErniesUrn said...

SM Goh is a excellent role model. His brand of gracious society.

Daniel Ling said...

Well, MAS is acting, but late. So thankful that we pay millons for late action. =D

Additionally, i wonder whether there's similarties to MLM? Eg: Sunshine. SS was found to encourage pple to invest in their product which was Building Theme Park, Some Wireless Network and some other stuff, which did not exist thus I assume Sunshine can be classed as Mis Selling. Their funds were lock, audits were done, etc. Sooooo can MAS do the same to DBS? I wonder. lol

Anonymous said...

frankly, sometimes i really feel how wonderful it'd be if your (i.e Luckytan's)entries could be printed in bold font size 48 Times New Roman on our greatest PAP publication of all: The Straits Times

Anonymous said...

People will do anything for monies.

We should target those Relationship Managers for mis-sell and place their photos on the internet so as to shame them.

Anonymous said...

Don't agree with your statement that there is no leadership - it comes in the form of "That's life" "Caveat emptor"

Anonymous said...

WHO says no Leadership?

MM Lee was the first (on advise of Citigroup) to lead the Sovereign Funds around the world to sink hard-earned cash from their workers into ailing Wall St banks. This prompted MM Lee to predict it was the Golden Period or Era for you Singaporeans!!!

The end result? Hanging on to useless stocks.....hahahahaha

Anonymous said...

If this episode doesn't tell those 66.6 fools who voted for the PAP to wake up their bladdy idea, I don't know what else to say about these dumbest of dumb voters. The famed Taiwanese Li Ao is so right: Singaporeans ARE stupid.

Great Banker Goh Chok Tong said...

Hi Folks,

We at PAP are singing to the tune of Wall St Bank CEO's by benchmarking our salary to them.

We want to churn more $$$ into account while the party's still on in Singapore. Have a great time serving NS, folks while we rack in the money for sitting back & doing nothing.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/17/siu.wall.street/index.html

Great Banker Goh Chok Tong of MAS

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Anonymous said...

Doesn't this incident remind you of the CLOB saga 10 years ago? At least 1 ministar (if my memory didn't fail me already) said it was legal, but what did the gahmen do to help? Nothing. David Gerald was the man of the hour, doing what Tan Kin Lian is doing now. God bless these 2 kind souls.

Losses from the CLOB saga were huge too, the main difference being punters affected vs. the 'low-risk-FD-holders' in this episode. Lesson reinforced: PAP gahmen does not help you in tricky situations like this if they can get away from it!

Use your vote wisely everytime you get your chance, it is not a futile exercise.

Disclaimer: Ex small-time CLOB investor, not invested in Minibonds.

Anonymous said...

"Doesn't this incident remind you of the CLOB saga 10 years ago? At least 1 ministar (if my memory didn't fail me already) said it was legal, but what did the gahmen do to help? Nothing. David Gerald was the man of the hour, doing what Tan Kin Lian is doing now. God bless these 2 kind souls."

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tewniaseng said...

What to do, it has happened.
You ask me, I ask who ?
Millions of dollars salary,now all keep quiet, like a mouse. What leadership ? No leader got ship.Nia mah!

Anonymous said...

Looks like the toothless CASE did nothing and pretended it did not exist

Anonymous said...

PAP Leadership ???
What leadership ???
Only got LeaderSHIT.

Anonymous said...

SG has the Uniquely Sinagpore way of doing things, right?

Could HK amd AUS etc be perpetuating this well-known western conspiracy of "doing us in", according to the wisdom of the SG MM?

Terry said...

Anonymous,

Thanks for speaking up, you shd reveal urself (not 'anonymous') and lead protests at speakers corner. Go for it!

David Lee said...

First the minibonds, now's the pinnacle notes! I'm the unlucky Singaporean as pinnacle notes only sold to Singapore! Sad to say, MAS simply sits there quietly and push investors to FI, while FI simply claim ignorance and play to waiting game. Difficult to believe such toxic products could be allowed to sell in Singapore, what's MAS doing? This is the same as the poison dairy product from China, authority must be the centre of the issue. Otherwise, what are they for???

Anonymous said...

Yeah, we also have our Singapore MAS siding with the banks and merely giving lip services.

Anonymous said...

Besides our great banker, there's also our mentor telling you people to open your eyes widely. It's you people's fault.

Anonymous said...

I love that Singapore Dream.
CPF will guarantee you monthly payments while I could clear tables at mcdonald's or hawker centres.

Anonymous said...

Opening our eyes would be possible if we also have that dozens of highly payment advisors besides us! How many have you got?

Anonymous said...

I thought we also have a government of the people, by the people, for the people in Singapore, just like our American friends.

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