Sunday, August 30, 2009

What happens to people who fall through the cracks....

"There is no free healthcare in Singapore and her late husband's medical bill left her destitude....."
- AFP Report Feb 2009.
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This is the human face of suffering in Singapore ......a consequence of PAP policies...an outcome that I refuse to accept.

video

63 comments:

skeptic said...

I get very angry when I see old people treated like that. I am an atheist so I don't believe in heaven. I believe you have only one life; this life.

It is so sad that the only thing these old people will ever experience is misery. That makes me very annoyed.

Anonymous said...

Singapore's most famous saying, "Nobody owes you a living".

Here's the definition

1) When you are in trouble, you are on your own

2) When the nation needs you to do NS, you are expected to serve NS for $300-$500 a month.

2a) Country wants you to be loyal, but if you get hurt, country will not be loyal to you in return.

3) Pension is too expensive for peasants like us. But pension is affordable and granted to ALL ministers, who are already the world's most expensive politicians.


What do you expect from a system, whose core values echo strongly from a "founding father" who once voluntarily served the Japanese in WW2, instead of fighting against their cruel oppression.

The Deity Of Conflict said...

Yeah man!
The olde man said once:
"Neither the British or Japanese has right to push or kick us around...."

I wonder what makes him and his ilk have the right to do so?

Anonymous said...

"I wonder what makes him and his ilk have the right to do so?"

Singapore's system is such that might makes right.

Try suing the bank for mis-leading you in the minibonds. Bank is more powerful than you. Bank wins, even though MAS acknowledged that bank did indeed misled you. Might makes right.

Get into roadrage. If you are a small-timer who earns $1000 a month, get ready to go to jail. If you are a big CEO, probably get stern warning and fine. Haven't seen big shots go to jail for road rage. Might makes right.

TT Durai won his NKF defamation suit when he sued small-timers who blew the whistle on him. When Durai sued SPH for whistle-blowing, he lost his case within days. Might makes right.

Look at all the political defamation suits that goes through our courts. Even before the trial started, was the outcome ever in doubt?

Anonymous said...

TT Durai won his NKF defamation suit when he sued small-timers who blew the whistle on him.

That time he associate NKF with our "clean and green" government, who is the patron?

Of course, the judge will see it as some mini "political defamation suits."

Anonymous said...

I thought the government implement means testing to help the poor.

Or that like the disabled friendly buses, are used more for packing people during peak hours.

fed-up said...

Totally, utterly, heartbreakingly sickening. Can you say, "From Third World To First" without a bitter taste in your mouth?

"Where are Singapore's beggars - show me!" someone once arrogantly sneered. Well, here they are Mr. Lee, right on your doorstep. Now YOU show us the Swiss standard of living that your son said we'd achieved ahead of achedule.

Or was that lifestyle meant only for you and yours exclusively?

Anonymous said...

I have served my National Service. I have done my part by thanking the government that provides me a good environment to live in for the past 25 years. I do not owe Singapore anything.

From the day I learn that my duty to serve is to protect the foreigners who are here to earn big money at my expense and from the day I see so many local students (I am referring to the youngster) studying in foreign universities while foreigners get a place in the local university, and from the day when I see many elderly moving around to look for scrap material just to earn a living, my heart sank.

I maybe not bright enough to enroll myself into a local university, I believe there are many others that attain good result however being labelled as "not as good". It appears to me that common people like me are just taken for granted.

I do not understand why I am paying the same amount to money as the foreigner just to receive a higher education. I still need to serve NS. My heart sank deeper.

I believe I do not want to be treated like this elderly neither do I want my future children to live in an environment where they might be discriminate against for getting a (cheaper) higher education. I am in this system and I feel it and felt uncomfortable.

I felt that most if not all our MPs become an MPs just because of the high income they can receive. There seem to be no one has been listening.

Anonymous said...

What/who are we really defending when we do NS?

our sky-rocketing housing loans?

our ever-shrinking salaries?

FTs who come to depress our wages and take our jobs?

FTs who come in hordes and receive taxpayers' scholarships, while citizens have to make do with bank loans to fund their university fees?

the right for politicians to earn millions of dollars each year serving the nation with full pension benefits, while the rest of us fight for free or a pittance?

a judicial system that turns a blind eye to the misled minibond investors, so that the banks can keep their profits? How many of our parents have lost their retirement savings for Singapore Inc?

So, what are we really defending through our NS?

Anonymous said...

Shame on the PAP and the voters who keep them in power. No country that treats their poor elderlies like that can claim to be 1st world country.

Lim Leng Hiong said...

That is very sad case.

In the past, people from more affluent and higher-educated backgrounds tend to believe that they will never end up in such a situation, but recently, the anxiety level among Singaporeans from all walks of life have been rising.

Why?

The government prides itself on pragmatism, so let's talk about reality.

The reality is that most Singaporeans are sort of OK with the government. If you read socio-political blogs in Singapore, you may get the impression that most people are deeply against some government policies. While there may be an increasing number of unhappy Singaporeans, the majority are doing fine and still fairly satisfied with the status quo.

However, it is also reality that proportionally fewer and fewer people are getting proportionally larger and larger benefits in our society. Recently, a few surprising cases have highlighted the fact that even the rich and highly-educated in Singapore can fall into a tough predicament. Nobody is immune.

The reality is that very few people are actually strong supporters of the government, most people are OK-OK with them only. They expect the government to "auto" and adjust their policies so that the people don't need to adjust for them at the ballot box.

So what happens when the government refuses to budge?

The reality is that... nothing much happens for now. The resentment goes underground. The mainstream media won't report it, and the online media are simply ignored. When you force people to keep their frustration inside, an interesting thing happens. It grows.

Slowly at first.

Sure they may look "disinterested" and "apathetic" but who knows what the people are really thinking inside? Everyone has a limit; who really knows where that limit is? What happens when many people reach their limit at roughly the same time?

The reality is that NOBODY can predict the future. Not even the government.

They are free to ignore everything else that I said, but they cannot ignore that aspect of reality.

In the meantime, we should try to help out with whatever little we have. I don't use much tissue paper, but whenever I pass by any person who sell tissue paper on the streets I buy a few packs.

Now I have a pile of tissue packs; maybe one day the pile will stop growing.

Anonymous said...

Hey some people treat their parents worse.

Put in this way, ae you willing to pay more taxes to help these poor?

Seems like everyone thought our garmeh is rich and/or GLC makes tons of money so can spare some cash for them.

Let's face it, that's life. You think vote for someone else will take care of the poor. Which country in the world can do that?

Don't take me wrong. I mean our garmeh can do more in cetain aspects like lessening Singaporeans' burden (subsidy house etc). Take care of these poor is no no. But a soup kitchen helps...they don't need it I tried! Funny they are not concerned when you try to provide them meal??

Anonymous said...

"I wonder what makes him and his ilk have the right to do so?"


'Cause some 66.6% voted the PAP in?

LuckySingaporean said...

anon 10:06,

I believe I'm already paying enough tax to help her. In addition to GST, I pay a 5-figure tax bill. I believe it is not the lack of money - GST hike alone generated billions in surplus. It is not whether the govt has financial capability to do this, it is whether it has the will to do what is right...

Anonymous said...

a country claim to be first world standard, with ministers having out of this world salary, give me a chance to vote, and i assure them this time they are out!

Anonymous said...

Anon

Take care of these poor is no no. But a soup kitchen helps...they don't need it I tried! Funny they are not concerned when you try to provide them meal??

30/8/09 10:06

My dear friend,you seem to know about all the poor people in Singapore,how many have you attempted to help,may I ask.

In my view,that is a very generalised statement which has no place in a sensible discussion.

Onlooker said...

Gasp (of shock) Lucky,What about the Gambling deficit due to the "sometime SWF, sometimes private company" .

GST are suppose to help those impoverished Elites who made poor financial decision and incurred $$$Billion$$$ Dollar loss.

Whats a few billions (
US ) PAPer loss compare to Billions(sgd taxes).

Oop, I forgot they Think for Loong term.

Anonymous said...

Helping the poor might cost us about $1 billion more a year. We argue that we might bankrupt the reserves.

We lose tens of billions of our reserves in bad investment decisions. That money could easily represent over 20 years worth of welfare for the poor. Hardly worth a debate by the running dogs and lackies of the ruling party.

Why the prejudice against helping the poor?

Anonymous said...

When 8 sporean are suffering and 2 barely make ends meet, the PAP will trumpet how successful they are by interview these 2 'happy' singaporean(probably by a survey done 3 year ago in 2006, like recently report).....

To me, they are best at boasting how good they are using the success by the past leaders and people, that they now deserve the millions....

Anonymous said...

When disasters strike foreign nations, the government is ever willing to help out giving million away. I think charity begins at home and somehow those falling through the cracks never managed to get the attention of our good people manning these charitable organisations. If there are any of these reading Lucky's blog please do something to show our concern. We might be one of these people one day. We can never be sure it will not happen. I believe there are a lot of good amongst the citizens from past charitable drives that amassed huge sums to give to those in need. The problem lies in those organisations that do not play their part. The government wants a hands off from such problems but it will backfire on them one day.

Anonymous said...

@10.:06

What a wonderful argument - 'are you prepared to pay more taxes to help the poor'

sorry clown, these poor are the citizens of Singapore and isn't it the government responsibility to help one and all.

Why the onus is to be true to the country, when a cuntry, er, country such as Singapore run by the PAP is not true to her citizens except to lky and cronies and are not accountable for any mistakes made and take credit for every success which is not their doing.

Anonymous said...

i think the premise that this country shud be run like an inc. is totally flawed, this is the main root of our problems today. (ie you die your business). i believe as long as the guru who propagated this theory is in office, the social problems today will remain. i dun expect any changes to our welfare systems, unless a new govt comes to office.

Anonymous said...

Where's the Grassroot people, MP or MP's in her consituency huh? Just goes to show all chor bo lan one! Only know how to act only and carry balls, nothing more!
This is the REAL Resilience Package, the one championed by the govt is nothing but hot air.
I think 2 or 3 meals a day + a roof over the head is not that much to ask for. As it is now, "What happens to people who fall though the cracks"? Well, they are simply Swallowed by the Cracks.

Anonymous said...

"... people who fall through the cracks..." I'm not sure you can call it that way anymore considering the number of such people in the same boat. It's more like a fast sinking ship with lots of people in the water.

People's ACTION said...

What's the point of just talking? All of you should follow through the talking with some ACTION! You can do it passively, or better still, actively. The latter, in particular, is a patriotic act, as explained in the link.

Not the 1st Pirate said...

Hi, I would like to help. Can you tell me where did you get the video link from? If its from places like CNA, perhaps I can approach them to get the contacts of this poor old lady's whereabouts. Pls PM me or leave a message on my blog, sgpirategame.blogspot. Thanks.

Unsympathetic said...

Having spent most of my time in Australia for graduate education, I've got to say that there are definitely more beggars and drunks living in the streets here. They end up living off the dole and getting their asses pissed drunk without working a single moment for it.
As a result, the average tax rate here is about 40%. Would you rather be subsidising those that choose to do no work and instead rely on welfare which comes out of the average person's wallet? The Asian way of working hard for your living goes out the window. Instead of jumping on the bandwagon over a tragic case and demanding a entire shift in policy, it makes much more sense to tackle and help these unfortunate individuals. Asking and demanding for widespread policy changes such as instituting free healthcare without thinking about the reprecussions of these policies is the reason why there are ministers and governments, they tend to look at the big picture much more than the individual tear-jerking stories.

Anonymous said...

Helping out the poor is only done when it is covered by the media in the 9pm news...when old folks formed a queue to get handshake and angpow from mortals...TV is a powerful tool...It can make the mortals ride the MRT and paint walls of house of poor...but only for the 9pm news.

Anonymous said...

"This is the human face of suffering in Singapore ......a consequence of PAP policies...an outcome that I refuse to accept."


and why should we???!!

not in a country that can afford to lose billions and the politicians are paid millions!

theres a big difference between unable and unwilling and the pap govt is obviously unwilling.

u can read many more accounts in TOC of people who silently sold their flats, etc to pay off the medical fee for their loved ones after the govt refuse to help.

when will singaporeans wake up and take back their rights?

Anonymous said...

hat a wonderful argument - 'are you prepared to pay more taxes to help the poor'

sorry clown, these poor are the citizens of Singapore and isn't it the government responsibility to help one and all.

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I think it is naive to see a few cases of poor and then jump the gun that they are to be better treated like a dignified citizen. It should be done in a individual case by case basis.

Want to render help, then fork out money and bring them food.Join some organisations and not talk noble.

We also see countries who take the welfare route suffer from sustainability years down the road once the citizen get used to it.

I am trying to say...take a balanced approach.

someone sad for singapore said...

Hi Unsympathetic,

I am living in Australia.

I wish to highlight to you that most people DO NOT pay 40% tax here in Australia.

I for one, earn about A$50K a year and I only got taxed about A$2K a year which is quite low. That's about 4%.
There's tax rebates for everyone here, including low earners.


Only rich people earning more than A$100K a year gets taxed at about 40%.

And for your info, imposing free healthcare for Singapore true blue citizens, is not much of a work if you take into account how rich our government is.

As for the bummers in Australia, there's bound to be bummers in every country. The world isn't perfect. There are bummers in India and Moldova as well.

And what makes you think that the old woman is an individual case on its own? There could be a million of them out there in Singapore, and chances are, you could end up like one of them in the future, when there's no jobs, no healthcare, nothing.

Don't laugh it off, what makes you think you were no different from her situation when she was young?

It is people like you that is making poor people in Singapore suffer, and it is people like you that do not know what living poor is like.

I starved when I was young - my family had no money for 3 meals. Toys? We sometimes go through garbage to find broken toys so that my dad could fix them and let us play. Holidays? The furthest we went as a family was to pulau ubin.

Bro, do you know what the fuck is poor or not? It seems that you are born with a GOLD spoon from young and you have no idea what starvation is like. Good luck to you man. Hopefully your spouse don't get some expensive illness and you don't get retrenched by those cheap china suckers.

Good luck.

King Greg said...

"Having spent most of my time in Australia for graduate education, I've got to say that there are definitely more beggars and drunks living in the streets here. They end up living off the dole and getting their asses pissed drunk without working a single moment for it. As a result, the average tax rate here is about 40%."

Wah lau eh, you say "in the streets here" and "tax rate here" which means you must still be in Australia. Since you seem so kan see lang miserable living in Australia right now - COME BACK to Singapore lah! The tax here damn low what.

"Would you rather be subsidising those that choose to do no work and instead rely on welfare which comes out of the average person's wallet? The Asian way of working hard for your living goes out the window. Instead of jumping on the bandwagon over a tragic case and demanding a entire shift in policy, it makes much more sense to tackle and help these unfortunate individuals. Asking and demanding for widespread policy changes such as instituting free healthcare without thinking about the reprecussions of these policies is the reason why there are ministers and governments, they tend to look at the big picture much more than the individual tear-jerking stories."

I donno whether you really "unsympathetic" or not, but I is quite certain you are very clever.

Here we see lao ah mm, so kang kor keoh chwa peh to make a measly few dollar a day, sleeping in the streets, but then you can twist the topic to talk about beggars and drunk who choose to do no work and dependent on welfare.

This is call "misdirection" eh hiao buay? King Greg ang moh no good, but can still understand this sentence - "her late husband's medical bill left her destitude". The whole video where got say that lao ah mm is "drunk" or "beggar" you tell me?

Don't anyhow compare and then say people don't have helicopter view lah. King Greg play politic many year already, he know what going on one.

Anonymous said...

Unsympathetic,

The homeless in Australia are drunks, drug addicts ..like you said. The homeless in Singapore are sometimes people who worked their whole lives like the one in the video. There are homeless & poor people everywhere - but Singapore is the only place in the 1st world where people have full time jobs and still live in utter poverty due to the big income gap.

Australia so bad why so many Singaporeans migrate there?

Anonymous said...

Don't know true of not. The last time I read that 300,000 people here earn less than $1,501 and almost a million of us earn less than #2,200. Anyone can verify?

Read newspaper that Singaporeans need to work more hours than some 1st world to buy a ipod. Now talked about buying a house with hefty interest rates @30 years!

Anonymous said...

In the country, PhD can end up drive cab...so what is the surprise that the less educated end up homeless and suffering. Singapore is a brutal uncaring society that dehumanises.....

Anonymous said...

singapore pap are in the ivory tower. they care for their own wealth creation. we, the singaporean are just slaves within the system, to toil and to work till we died.

pap has create the modern master and slave society. something akin to the slavery system in the 19th century.

what happened evenually back then? the black slaves rebelled and gain their independent.

hopefully, the time will come for singapore, for us the native singaporean to gain our own freedom

Anonymous said...

Opposition in Japan just unseated the LDP...after 54 years of nearly unbroken rule...
Japan has shown it can happened and it just did at the polls.
People power...that's what this place needs.

Anonymous said...

I have heard the news and was thinking exactly the same as you! When is it our turn? People, we must work together to make it happen!

Fievel said...

If PAP keeps up its bloody work it shouldn't take much longer. Hopefully our oppositions will start to get their act together in time for the next election.

KK Kid said...

Talk so much for what? Do something about it. Emigration
to some nice countries is the best option. Get your cpf with your new citizenship after 3 years as PR, and live happily ever after.

Anonymous said...

I agree totally with KK Kid, emigrate is the best option. I bet my last penny PAP will still be ruling over you for the next 50 yrs. Singapore election is just a wayang.

Anonymous said...

Lee Kuan Yew in 2006: “Please don’t assume that you can change governments. Young people don’t understand this.”

People, it is no use to look forward to any elections.

Anonymous said...

There's something very wrong. How did this woman end up being responsible for her husband's medical bill?

The hospital can only claim against the deceased's estate. Did they take action against this woman?

Anonymous said...

nvm i get it...she had to sell the house coz half owned by husband, therefore half owed to the hospital.

Anonymous said...

For those who argue against more subsidies for those down and out then you are effectively against the SAF, the all encompassing welfare/subsidies which all of you have been enjoying at a low cost.

So going by the logic, NS should be scrapped cause singaporeans would become lazy and have 'crutch mentality' free protection from foreign threats by the SAF.

why are you so against NS/Subsidies? You can enjoy the free protection from NS boys and yet those down and out can't have basic help to let them lead a life? hypocrites.....

Anonymous said...

30/8/09 20:01

FYI,as per request by DOS-PAP(Spore)

154th,29June2006,P.H4
Average household income by decile:

1st -10th $0
11th-20th $1,180
21st-30th $2,190
31st-40th $2,990
41st-50th $3,850
51st-60th $4,840
61st-70th $5,890
71st-80th $7,260
81st-90th $9,300
91st-100th$16,480
We have around 1 million households(PRs+citizens)in Spore,
Unfortunately PAP does not deem it suitable to separate citizens fr PRs but call up ONLY citizens when it is time to prepare for WAR,sigh!

The report in full:

http://www.singstat.gov.sg/papers/op/op-s12.pdf

Waltzing Matilda said...

Dear unsympathetic,

For your information, I'm happier paying 40% tax in Australia than paying 10% tax in Singapore. True, when I first started I find it hard to reconcile the fact that that the tax department is taking so much of my hard earned cash. After some time and a few visits back to Singapore talking to friends and family, I realised my tax money works harder for me here than in Singapore. The fact that Singapore ministers gets pay much more Australian ministers with no significant difference in performance is something I find hard to swallow. Could it be true that we have to pay them millions so they won't be corrupt? So they won't steal from the people? Call my a cynic, but I fail to see the difference. For the 40% tax that I pay today, I know I'll be taken care of in my old age. Now I'm just hope that there is still money left for me in my CPF when it's my turn to withdraw with government changing the goalposts all the time.

You want to be invincible in Singapore? Make sure you're earning megabucks and don't ever get sick or retrenched. There is no safety net. Good luck to you.

Anonymous said...

Mr Lee Kuan Yew and his son love 'You die your business'. Apparently the GST hike was used to hike the PAP's salary, the discretionary component in their million dollar salary that Georgie Yeo was talking about.
It was not used to help the needy as Lee Hsien Loong claimed.

Likewise, your CPF payout is locked from you forever. It is pooled to tide the CPF board from the claims 15-20 years down the road when the baby boomers retire and make up the loss Temasek suffers.

Anonymous said...

I have been jobless for almost 1 year. The other day I went to an HDB branch office saying that I want to settle the HDB housing loan because I don't want to pay for the interest anymore. My balance in the ordinary account was just enough to pay off the outstanding balance.

Then the HDB officer told me cannot fully settle the loan yet because the CPF has set a maximum limit for housing withdrawal. I am only allowed to withdraw something like 30% of the balance, not the full amount even though there is enough.

CPF seems to have rules to satisfy their own interest more than the contributors' welfare. It really puzzles me why can't I choose to pay off & settle my housing loan ? Why so many restrictions ?

DanielXX said...

Lucky lucky, when will you get it? If you're not good enough, life will kick you in the balls. that's just how things go. Now get out of my elite uncaring face.

Anonymous said...

I'm just barely able to keep my mum from sleeping on the streets in her old age...in fact, I felt depressed everytime the thought crosses my mind that I may not be able to afford her healthcare in the future.

I'm no longer young and yet dare not commit to a house here. Not because I cannot "afford" it, since affordability can mean getting into a life long debt and staying in ulu corners of the island, but because of the fear of the house turning into a shackle that forever binds me to a life of unhappy toiling and joyless pursuits.

I'm a product of the PAP education system, with a Master's degree no less...but I'm not succeeding the way I was promised when young.
"Study hard or you'll be sweeping the streets and clearing garbage!" my mum used to say.
Now, even she knows that those are jobs reserved only for FTs.

I'm not happy and looking forward to reaping the fruits of my labor...the only thing waiting for me is more labor...the fate of picking trash when I'm old and feeble does not seem so far fetched anymore

Anonymous said...

" Anonymous said...
There's something very wrong. How did this woman end up being responsible for her husband's medical bill?
The hospital can only claim against the deceased's estate. Did they take action against this woman?"

the pap govt is smart.
when we complain they are heartless to go after the family of the dead, they think of a great way to counter.

for major treatment etc, they won't perform until its paid up first.

so would you rather your loved one die without a chance or sell ur house for a chance that your loved one will be saved?

fellow singaporeans, if we don't totally vote out this heartless pap govt, we are going to suffer now and worse when we get old.
they are totally unscrupulous when it comes to sucking money from us and not benefitting the citizens.

Anonymous said...

DanielXX said...
Lucky lucky, when will you get it? If you're not good enough, life will kick you in the balls. that's just how things go. Now get out of my elite uncaring face.


are you the fuhrer? you sounded just like him.

Anonymous said...

"Where are Singapore's beggars - show me!" someone once arrogantly sneered. Well, here they are Mr. Lee, right on your doorstep. Now YOU show us the Swiss standard of living that your son said we'd achieved ahead of achedule.

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/vnc2005/Swiss_Standard_of_Living/

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/vnc2005/Beggars_and_Peddlers/

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/vnc2005/Growing_old_in_SG/

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
It is nothing to do with politic.

It depends on individual. We do not know what is her background like what she did it in her past life, how she did manage in present life and so on. Don't jump to conclution because of whichevercountry.

Stupid!! Rubbish!!

September 1, 2009 2:52 PM"

Anonymous said...

Some singaporeans, and of course our government always say foreign media LOVE to paint us with certain colours. you will never see SUCH report in local media.

i hate the system, i hate the govt. but i know they are here to stay, i've been staying in AH GONG's GRC for decades and i'll never get to vote. F**k, i want to get out of this country

Anonymous said...

Does ah gong to to meet the people's session, that is the job of an MP, regardless of whether got hold minster position.

Anonymous said...

I noticed that in many office buildings in sg, many elderly locals are employed as toilet cleaners that cleaned shit n urine for the foreigners from third world countries who worked here in IT, CS n Accounts industry. Is this the way we want the elderly to end up? After sloggin so many years to build this nation, is this what the elderly locals should be getting? Is this what familee viewed as justice and equality?

Anonymous said...

Shame on you Singapore, Shame on you Papaya.

Anonymous said...

Well, it appears that the MPs do not do their jobs despite being paid their high salaries. It is their jobs to think and implement the policies that are able to differentiate between welfare and abuse. Why are they paid millions? Because they have the brains that the common people do not have supposedly. So why are their ideas and policies so common and ineffective? Apparently, it's connected to their high salaries and position - take the salary while they delegate from the top and do nothing and make common people think for them. You see now why our policies are not worth the millions of dollars of salary we pay to our politicians?!

Anonymous said...

I think this article is being reported on Today newspaper 2 days ago, Wednesday or Thursday I think.

One minister says that this old woman got 5 children and fully paid up 3 rooms HDB flat and choose to work because she wants to.

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