Thursday, September 03, 2009

MM Lee : PAP in power for 10 more years!

http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=1047647&lang=eng_news

Yes, here we go again. Hardly a week or two can go by without our MM divining the future. There is something new here. He said "the opposition gets a good team together, we are at risk." . ..well this is the first time he ever acknowledge that the opposition "can" get good people but he is also saying the opposition today doesn't have a good team. I think the people will be the judge of that.
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He also repeated this thing about the opposition taking power in a "freak result". There are elections held all over the world these days...do you recall one in which there were "freak results". The only one I can think of is the one in Iran - nobody can explain how that guy win again when he is so unpopular. "Freak results" means that Singaporeans want the PAP to win but voted for the opposition.....can you figure out how that can happen? It can only happen if Singaporeans can't think straight i.e. they are incompetent voters. Maybe that is why the PAP link votes to estate upgrading to make it more straightforward for Singaporeans - if you like that blue dolphin fountain and that Japanese style garden, vote for the PAP. ...thanks for the help but Singaporeans now can think.....hmm...maybe that is what is getting the PAP worried.
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The other thing he talked about is how he spent 15 years thinking about how to safeguard our reserves - yes, 15 years of thinking. That is how we end up with Ho Ching in Temasek investing our reserves and President Nathan holding the key to it....thank you, we should all now feel very safe about the reserves except we don't know what it is due to the lack of transparency. But seriously MM Lee was talking about a populist govt raiding our reserves and distributing our hardearned reserves to the citizens by giving out generous subsidies, free transport, free education and turning our workforce into a welfare dependent, slothful bunch. Actually, if that happens, President Nathan, vigilant as he is, is actually no major impediment. The populist govt can just replace him by promoting their own guy and accessing the reserves is no issue. ...now that is 15 years of thinking down the tubes. The only way for a democratic country to safeguard anything is to have a well educated patriotic population that is interested and aware of what is going on in the country. ..and you have to give them the right to protest when the govt does something against their interests. If you have an uneducated population or one that does not care, you can "fool most of the people most of the time" then it is only a matter of time before the country sinks. While the MM keeps insinuating that the opposition will squander the reserves by giving away freebies, the opposition has so far been diligent in asking for greater transparency and the people...the ordinary Singaporeans..oh they just want the MM's daughter-in-law to stop making all those risking bets that has resulted in so much losses. We too want our reserves to be safe...and how can it be safe if it is used to make risky bets.

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S'pore's Lee Kuan Yew: Party will win next 2 votes

http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=1047647&lang=eng_news

Singapore's elder statesman Lee Kuan Yew said Wednesday that he expects his People's Action Party to win the next two elections to extend its grip on power by as much as 10 more years.
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"I don't see any problem in the next election or probably in the next one after that," Lee, 85, said at a dinner to mark the fifth anniversary of a college named after him. "But if we don't find a good team in the election after that, and the opposition gets a good team together, we are at risk."
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Lee, who founded the PAP and was Singapore's first prime minister from 1959 to 1990, remains a powerful figure in the Cabinet and in the party. The PAP is the only party to have ruled Singapore. The current government was elected in 2006. The next elections are set for 2011. Lee, who now has the title of mentor minister, said even if the opposition took power by a "freak result," it won't be allowed to fire top police, army and other officials without the approval of the president, who is appointed by a committee of government officials. Lee, who is the father of Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, said an opposition government would by law also need the president's approval to tap international reserves, indicating it would not be given. Otherwise "all our hard-earned savings could go in five years," he said. "I spent 15 years thinking up these safeguards."

98 comments:

Anonymous said...

MM Lee is so incongruous with the times.

He is not only a prisoner of his past as one American press once pointed out, but a prisoner of many hidden fears - "freak results", "opposition getting a good team", "we are at risk".

All these things are perfectly normal in other democracies. Instead he sees them as abnormal. What may actually be abnormal is his internal lens through which he views things.

If he really in his right mind, can't he see that the real enemy that he so feared to do the country in, to squander the reserves is his self and party? It is clear as day but he continues to be blind to it or refuse to acknowlege this.

This is the scary part of the Singapore story.

Anonymous said...

We have be very careful when Sg politicians use the word "we".

Clarification is needed to ensure that they say is correctly interpreted.

Does his "we" refer to his immediate familee, his party, his immortals, his ball-carriers or all S'poreans (& perhaps even including FTs)?

Oftentimes, the interests of the above groups are in direct conflict.

Anonymous said...

The people cannot think.
Not in US and not in SG.

It is the responsibility of the liberal elite minority (like yourself) to stand up for their rights. And risk your money, reputation, career and even your neck.

PS: I am too stupid to make a difference.

Anonymous said...

Mr Wang says there is no free will.

A dark force made me vote for PAP... for 10 more years.

Anonymous said...

Really, I just thought MM was rambling nonsense on TV. What safeguards? Ho Ching lost 50BILLION in 1 shot. What safeguards do we have against that? We are even told that they were long term investments and next moment, they turn around and BOA shares are already sold for a huge loss. And next, came the "no guarantee" annuity from CPF payouts. It seems to me that the best thing to do now is to fortify the opposition and replace the president.

sgcynic said...

First, we change the government.
Next, we change the president.

Anonymous said...

Pap will be in power for 10 more years. this is the plan to ensure that:

do not make procreation attractive for sporeans.
citizen population reduces
bring in more foreigners, entice them to become singaporeans
foreigners grateful to PAP; vote for them.

i think this is 'social engineering' from pap point of view. pap will change the citizen population (profile), not the other way round.

Anonymous said...

That bit on 15 year nonsense is just another example how the old man typically hogs credit while discrediting his "younger colleagues". In a dictatorship that is how it is, the dictator claims all credit while his richly paid eunuchs must play the part of fools, incompetents, or take the fall.

King Greg said...

How come King Lee think that if opposition take power it will fire top police, army and other officials? No need what.

In King Greg's experience, the people who most gong yee kee one, the kind that fight until last man one are the kah kiahs. Beng tao level and above sure 识时务者为俊杰 one. Even now in jit poon the ex-ruling party find hard to connect to their last time tzoh dwa seng li eh best friend, they all fast fast switch sides already mah.

You think if your ship sinking then the other an tuahs will jump into your ship to help sink faster meh? Mai dai lah.

Anonymous said...

"...the opposition gets a good team together, we are at risk."

That's being selfish. Anyone who is concerned about the country should feel safer when a good team of people come forward to serve - regardless of which party they belong. A true statesman should always put the country above self or his associates.

Anonymous said...

i think the man is right, another 10 years would be good; at least 10 years of stability, what more can one asks for?

Anonymous said...

anon above, do you mean stability for collecting $3.5 million every year for the next 10 years?

Anonymous said...

The reserves cannot possibly be safe if we the people do not know how much we really have. I believe the guy in the Istana is still counting because it was suppose to take 50 years to do so.

The reserves cannot possibly be safe if they start telling us that revealing how much we have is a national security issue.

Anonymous said...

My concern is that opposition or not, the present government will dig too big a hole for the citizens of Singapore to really enjoy what they should be enjoying.

For example, among the acts and laws they passed, make it easier for humans to abuse it e.g. law minister suka suka appoint lawyers without panel, CPF annuity no guaranteed payouts, complex relationships between govt and corporations etc...

Unless we, singaporean, are lucky and wise enough to vote in rigtheous and competent people who really put other before self....

That, itself, is already so difficult....plus what the current government is setting things for the herself *sigh*......

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
anon above, do you mean stability for collecting $3.5 million every year for the next 10 years?

$3.5M is alot? try to look at things from the RIGHT perspectives; if you sell away the whole island, lock stock barrel, i think it shud be worth, i dunno maybe 10 trillion usd? real estate agents get 1% commissions, by how much then are these people with the rare helicopter visions underpaid? you tell me.

Anonymous said...

I'll like to see the property bubble burst and these selfish Singaporeans bankrupt and their condominiums repossessed by the banks. Stability for them to continue playing the property market? Wake up, there are more important issues here.

Anonymous said...

Actually what MM Lee said quite true lah, especially on PAP will still win the next 2 elections.

I would even say not just the next 2, but every election after that.

Just look at our opposition, our people (voters)and happenings you know already. Quite straightforward lah, in Singapore case unlike Malaysia or Japan.

Anonymous said...

This is interesting

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/opinion/03blumenthal.html?ref=opinion

Anonymous said...

Anon 1705

From what I understand from the article, therein lie many uncertainties and the interests served or attempted to be served may be for selfish reasons even in a system such as democracy.

Haha..that's why there are many conspiracy theories...but the fact remains that humans cannot be trusted to do things based on his/her beliefs because inherently, we are going to do things to our benefit and not for the greater good.

That's why I believe that Singapore future may not be that bright if we continue to have a lot of opaqueness, secrecy and other measures currently being put up or going to be put up. I think for a fact (if it can be considered a fact) is that we really need more transparency and more checks and balances........

Singapore would require much fine-tuning and revamping.....but of course....with so many people having such large vested self-interest (whether in GLCs or in one way or other related to the government), it would really take something revolutionary to even reach the 'mythical' state of having a democratic society........or least on the level of a country that is more democractic than us....

Anonymous said...

This LKY is crazy. PAP in power for 10 more years!! Singaporean will be wiped out clean.

We, Singaporean are fighting for our own suvival against the current PAP regime. Why?

Because PAP think too highly of their talents. The ministers only care for their millions rather than to bother about the common Singaporean plights.

someone sad for singapore said...

Singapore will become a third world country if they rule for 10 more years.

Reserves gone.
True blue citizens gone.
Jobs gone (to foreigners).

Hong kan liao lor!

Anonymous said...

MM is fearful that a new opposition government will squander the reserves.

Truth is, MM's own daughter-in-law has lost a big part of our reserves. A fool and our money are soon parted.

MM says the president is there to safeguard against the opposition government misrule.

Truth is, everyone knows that our president is a puppet with no real power. What MM says, the president follows.

MM is fearful that an opposition govt will give lots of freebies to citizens.

Truth is, our own govt gives lots of freebies already; but to PRs and Foreign Talent. The bulk of our scholarships goes to FTs, not locals.
Even our own local dragon-boating team has to raise their own funds, while the New Zealand's team was funded by SINGAPORE AIRLINES.

Anonymous said...

MM is fearful that a new opposition government will squander the reserves.

Truth is, MM's own daughter-in-law has lost a big part of our reserves. A fool and our money are soon parted.

MM says the president is there to safeguard against the opposition government misrule.

Truth is, everyone knows that our president is a puppet with no real power. What MM says, the president follows.

MM is fearful that an opposition govt will give lots of freebies to citizens.

Truth is, our own govt gives lots of freebies already; but to PRs and Foreign Talent. The bulk of our scholarships goes to FTs, not locals.
Even our own local dragon-boating team has to raise their own funds, while the New Zealand's team was funded by SINGAPORE AIRLINES.

Anonymous said...

becos you all are a darn ungrateful lot, complaining and complaining all the time! they are more grateful and deserving.

Anonymous said...

Grateful! Get real... these people are planning how to make their pile, maximise free resources and scot off to some better country when they have beefed up on their english/chinese. All the FTs I know are like that, even the students. Not 1 plans to stay in singapore to contribute. Deserving! I know a lot more talented singaporeans... some of the FTs can't even get a job back home, why do you think they are here?

Anonymous said...

What is trash back at home is treated like talent by the PAP government. No wonder they are grateful to the PAP.

Anonymous said...

"Tan opposition government would by law also need the president's approval" And who made the laws...?
The PAP gahmen rite? And if opp is gahmen, what is stopping them from changing it? In fact, why shdnt they change it? A lot of "laws" made by PAP is unpopular and takes away our freedom anyway.

meepoking said...

Karma.

Man propose, God dispose.

I am sure of someone or some higher being is overseeing the things that are happening.

Come on man, we should be stand strong and never ever sway in our position to fight for a better Singapore for SINGAPOREANS.

How about we guys stand united together and pool our whatever resources or networks together to help each another in our mini clan or group to prosper ? In turn, we shall better divert our resources to help more truly needed poor SINGAPOREANS. Certainly, we dont push any political agenda.

We must remain politically exclusive on the surface but deep down we know what we should do.

Azz said...

As long as LKY is alive, PAP is going to win the elections. That's why he is confident for the coming election and probably the one after that.

onlooker said...

Otherwise "all our hard-earned savings could go in five years," he said. "I spent 15 years thinking up these safeguards."

But Where is Our Billions?

Whoops someone have a bad gambling habit.

Anonymous said...

Hang on lky. Dun fly kite b4 I withdraw my citizenship n cpf. Juz hang on for 12 more months ok..

Anonymous said...

Actually the Old Man is looking at Japan and he thinks if DPJ needs 13 yrs to be elected, then perhaps it might take abt 2 elections to topple PAP, provided we have credible opposition emerging now and persevere until 10 yrs later, assuming they are not being sued:)
It could be a message of assurance to our rich friends that there is still time to make money here.

If we do have alternative in the next 10 yrs, I am very sad as it is going to be a protest vote rather than a vote for better. Looking at DPJ, it is nothing but a group with a lot of vested interests that is riding on populist platform and got elected due to the economic ills of Japan since 1990 and incompetence of LDP, and I doubt they can make any difference. Taiwan, the earlier example of practising political alternative, had made it even worse under DPP with more corruption and the pple suffered.
The fact is, both Japan and Taiwan are more democratic than Singapore and have a longer history of freedom, and I think they are more readily to make the sacrifices for having a 2 party system.

In the case of Spore, we are a society that needs time to open up and appreciate democracy, so I prefer a gradual process of political transition. But looking at the current angst of the pple and the gahmen that are seemingly out of touch with reality and pple, I am very afraid the day of reckoning might be earlier than expected.

No worries, mate said...

It's a moot point whether the increasingly frail LKY will even be able to physically make it to the next election, never mind what happens a decade from now.

Once he pops his cork, the gloves come off, the jostling for power in his party will begin, it will fragment and his unloved son will be a casualty.

First we take Manhattan, then we take New York. Today's opposition will be in Parliament sooner rather than later.

Kaffein said...

Isn't it funny that this man works out of fear? Actually the every thing you fear will come to haunt you because you keep focusing on it. And he is a prisoner of his own fear. Hence we have this fear mongering statements that he has been giving all these years.

That aside, the very thing that will put risk to our reserves is the lack of transparency. If you want it to be safeguarded, then jolly well have 'external' people looking after it, so that you don't have this issue of 'internal' people or opposition misusing the funds.

Actually the real fear is your ownself and your own internal party members. Most Singaporeans and opposition members just want accountability.

Now I sense a PAP fear of losing big in the next election. You might not have a strong mandate in spite of the recovering economy. People just want a change and enough of the crap you have been feeding us.

Big examples are America, Japan and Australia. In spite of the opposition parties not having the know-hows to run the country, people are willing to give them a shot.

Kaffein

Anonymous said...

IMHO, as top officials and heads in the various ministries are appointed by the government (PAP).
and they can't be removed without president approval (who is also PAP installed) much power remains with the PAP even after they are voted out.

Simply put, once opposition comes into power, the top officials and heads + president can do much to hinder the new government's efforts which will make the new government look incompetent or paralyzed to the man on the street!

Once the euphoria of the elections starts to wear off, PAP might be able to start inciting the people by saying how badly the new government is handling certain issues and stir resentment. As a country that have not experienced true democracy, the majority might once again lean on the old and familiar governance of the PAP, broken as it may be...(the old devil's deal of trading freedom for prosperity)

PAP getting voted back in after one term might be a real possibility.

Benjamin said...

As mentioned in the article, MM Lee continuously speaks of the safeguards in place to ensure that 'freak elections' do not occur.

This is completely nonsensical and totally absurd in any 'free and liberal' country. Day after day we hear news from PAP that they are doing this and that to restrict and gradually remove the freedom and rights of any true born Singaporeans. Bit by bit we uncover and slowly become faced with the truth that the current ruling party is potentially running the country to the ground.

He has essentially threatened the citizens of the country by announcing how they have set in place 'precautions' to ensure that they will continue to stay in power. This is so evident of the way they set out election policies and manipulation of the constitution by twisting the interpretation to their sick ideology.

How would the opposition be able to contest in the elections if there is no allowances or freedom given to them to run their campaigns. Why shouldn't the citizens of the country be 'free' and given the chance to affect the policies that we have to live with. Yes its true that they are the ruling party but the citizens are the ones that made them. Shouldn't we have a fair electoral where there is transparency and mutual agreement on both sides of the table on how the country should be run?

Jezebella said...

This is a joke. Whoever we put up there will not have the ability to lose 50 billion in a year!

Anonymous said...

Has it ever occur to anyone that PAP allow elections only because the know they will win with overwhelming majority every time? If there is any indication that that will not be the case, election will probably be suspended or the opposition removed by whatever means. Million dollar salary is a very strong incentive for the establishment to maintain status quo. We have hundreds of billions of reserves. It will be decades before the country is run into the ground. By then the elite would have their families set up nicely in the real Switzerland. So PAP in power for 10 more years is easy.

Anonymous said...

After getting 3 full meals a day one tends to look forward to having more, i suppose it is human's nature that is not easily satisfied; becos your neighbor is living in a bungalow, and you are in a terrrace, you feel poor right?If it is all that glommy and doom, i wonder why people are still flocking to this place to stay.

Do you know what others think about us? Have you heard about the ugly sgporeans who complain and complain, and behave arrograntly in their appearance, speech and manners... in sg and abroad?

I think people who complain and complain, they will contiunue to do the same elsewhere else, it is human nature more than anything...this is a sgporean's trait that thy themselves wudnt be able to identify or recognise, only others will.

Anonymous said...

Can you accept the truth? I dun not... the truth is sgporeans are not competitive... just compare yourself with the hardworking foreigners and you will be enlightened by this truth. Instd of buckling up, sgporeans are wailing abt their deficiencies; I am not saying that all are in this position, but by and large, many.

Anonymous said...

10years...just enough for me to get a foreign pasport and withdraw all my cpf...frankly, i dont have any confidence in any politcal parties...

Anonymous said...

Can you accept the truth? That PAP is a useless government driven by fear of losing their multi-million salary. Can you accept the truth? That LKY's REAL greatest enemy who will "squander away all our hard-earned reserves" sits at his dinner table? can you accept the truth? That the elites are a bunch of useless paper-wielding puppets who are afraid of being dumped if the masters are voted out and are writing out of self preservation...to tell the truth, all the singaporeans I know work themselves to the ground. My family of four all work, including my 70 year-old father and mother. And I have upgraded non-stop to keep up with the competition. Btw, We DO have a role model for complacent and arrogant behaviour - PAP.

Anonymous said...

"PAP will win the next 2 Elections"
That highfaluti.. idea of his or
is it highfarting?

Anonymous said...

Anon @1321

I agreed. It is not about complaints. What I feel is that given the current situation, sooner or later, someone or a group of people will do things that are not very fair and may bring Singapore down.

LKY kept on saying that the opposition will drain our reserves. However, given the policies/power they have in place, one day, if we get somebody in PAP who has a total disregard for doing the 'right' things, Singapore may sink faster than you might think. Heck, the present government has already started dipping their hands into the candy jar. What they have been saying is that we need to have that 'trust' in the system.

I believe that you cannot rely on 'trust' on run a system. You need a well-thought out, transparent and detailed checks and balances system. The fact is that nobody is perfect and every one of us is susceptible to temptations, emotions and mistakes.

I think it is pretty clear that it is not about being grateful or hardworking or something else. History has shown that absolute power corrupts.......

Anonymous said...

as much as we like to criticise the faults of others, at the same time we must recognise that... barring the FTs issues, the million dollars salaries and the unfortunate losses in the subprime fallouts, we DO have a good deal by and large, to say the least.

short of cash handouts, everything you can think of in terms of support are already in the pipeline or existence.

but in life, nothing is totally perfect.

Anonymous said...

Anon 14:37

If you wish to discredit Lucky, it is more accurate to point out that the average Singaporean has no idea what Temasek Holdings is (except that it lost a lot of money). They dun care. The people here are actually almost all above average in IQ/information/education.

The "Good Deal" that you think we have has nothing to do with PAP and more to do with our location, history, entreprenuerial ancestors (pls check the street diectory for successful businessmen in our history).

As Lucky has been trying to point out, the "Good Deal" is an illusion. it is actually worst than he thinks.

PS:
Dear Chee Wai, Lincoln was Republican.

Anonymous said...

hi anon,

i have no wish to discredit anyone... least of all lucky who is doing a great thing, really...

but i suspect that is an imbalance of views, which is overly slanted to bashings and rantings and nothing positive at all. i hope you can see that as well.

if you are in indonesia and malaysia, you will likely to do alot more bashings and rantings, this is not unusual at all. in truth the good deal, that you have in your mind, what you want it ti be, is both subjective and relative...

the public works, the people who are doing in are doing it quite well, by and large.. the fact that people enjoy taking time to express their negative tots can be contagious.. the time which one spend writing about what could and shud have been, if invested in a skills retraining or education upgrading programme that are freely available here in sg, cud have yielded better returns in terms of improving one's quality of life..

i am not saying these expression of views are necessary bad, it is an impt outlet and as i have said, people like lucky has been great and positive... but when birds with negative tots and mindsets flocks together and attract the same feathers, suddenly everything begin to sound doom and gloom, in the process of which the positive aspects are being drowned.

do you feel happier to read only negative views, felt challenged, being affronted whenever someone expresses a different opinion to your peers and better when the views are congruent to that of yours? have myopia and paranoid become the current fads, that anything good must be suspect? is there nothing positive abt this place at all that you like to talk abt?

Anonymous said...

sorry for the grammers/.. was hurrying to complete some work..

Anonymous said...

If I want to feel good and read about all that is positive I read our 154th MSM. Those old and bend citizens downstairs of my HDB estate rummaging the dustbins for cans whatever simply does not exist. I can close my eyes to all the bad things and best of all, I should stop trolling Lucky's blog because it reminds me that such will be my lot if I am unfortunate enough.

Anonymous said...

i agree, this is the place to vent your griefs and unhappiness.

Anonymous said...

Hi anon 15:30,

I have no wish to discredit you either. Perhaps you are well immunized with perfect insurance coverage and and a iron riceball that cannot be snatched away? And your children are more than willing to look after you in your old age through sickness and health? What you see and read about can be things that can happen to you too. As Lucky pointed, being grateful is not the same as wanting issues addressed. And if there is really no social ills, I believe most opinions would more divergent. But you can observe it around you, kopitiam ah pehs replaced by china workers, singaporeans distributing flyers. Just yesterday the newspapers reported a man who committed suicide when he lost his job and was followed by his grief-stricken father. Could it be avoided? Do you care? Do you not think there are some fundamental societal engineering flaws here? Or perhaps do you choose only to see the good things from your rose-tinted glasses in your ivory tower?

Anonymous said...

anon 15:30

Mind u ... I mock Lucky very often and his supporters routinely threaten me with cancer and bills of $100k ... which is sad ... if they think $100k is a big amount ... and I am just middle class. (Or maybe they think as a PAP dog I get a big discount.) Can u imagine how broke the readers here are?

Consider Mr Lee Chee Wai (aka average Lucky supporter) who describe himself as average student and IQ. If he is average then 99% of singaporeans have very severe learning disability. or moderate retards.

the point is, if Lucky's well educated, and "mostly chinese" boys are howling in pain ... can u imagine what it is like for the even less educated, the old and the non-chinese minority?

Btw, I have actually worked in Malaysia and Indonesia and it is obvious u have not.

oh and ... *snigger*

Anonymous said...

Btw, I have actually worked in Malaysia and Indonesia and it is obvious u have not.

not meant to be personal, but just for discussions,.. "obvious" is a strong opinion, a "must be". so based on your one vote alone, this means that the two places are better.. no kidding really? and anyone who disagrees with your view is "obviously" misinformed?

Anonymous said...

surprise! isn't that daughter-in-law of his squandering our reserves after all the billion dollars loss? what is our "elected" president doing to stop her from doing that?

Anonymous said...

Most people cycle through these questions periodically.

1. Is your life getting better?
2. Is your future filled with hope?
3. Does your children have a bright future?

On all accounts, the answer typically depends on what layer of society that you're in.

Political "Elites"
Foreigners with Talent
Foreigners without Talent
Capitalist class
Upper middle class
Lower middle class
Working class
Working poor
Underclass

Anonymous said...

To: anon 4/4/09 15:30

"but i suspect that is an imbalance of views, which is overly slanted to bashings and rantings and nothing positive at all. i hope you can see that as well."

You mean the main papers of singapore, e.g. STRAITS TIMES, TODAY?... You are SPOT ON!!!!! Ha ha!

SIGNED,
PAP SUPPORTER

Chee Wai Lee said...

Anon @ 4/9/09 15:06

"Dear Chee Wai, Lincoln was Republican."

Heh, yup, I knew that. Could not help poking a bit of fun at the Republicans (actually, the neo-cons like Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld and Limbaugh). Republicans today are very different from Republicans of the past.

Here's something interesting I learned about Lincoln just a few months ago: his election was actually part of the reason for the civil war. That's the scary consequence of the idea of the "freak" election.

Qing said...

People on this blog, of course myself included, might appear "bad" for being so discontented, bashing and ranting at the establishment and creating such negativity. Okay that I concede.

But then it is not just about us, there is a whole lot of Singaporeans out there who are less vocal. But does PAP look after them properly? That's the issue people here have been addressing and hopefully the establishment will realize it needs to correct its policies.

Then again do we see signs of this? Does Mah Bow Tan care when he raises the prices of HDB flats so high, does PAP hint of giving more to VWOs, or making govt assitance scheme easier for those in need?

It is a gov gone wrong whose only interest now is profit and profit for itself and not translating that into benefits for the people; a gov that wants to get into every kinds of business, "potong jalan" even distributors and middlemen of lucrative products. Be it Temasek or NTUC the story is the same in the market.

And so the story continues, issue after issue brought up by blog such as this. It's tiring as Lucky repeatedly said talking about such issues but then if nobody addresses them, less people will know what is going on. Can that be good for the nation?

Anonymous said...

Just an observation:

There exist only 2 ways to keep a population subservient. The means include:

(i) fear and
(ii) demoralisation.

The fear card is slowly expiring... so we are on option 2 right now.

Anonymous said...

When Sir Churchill won the 2nd world war and lost the election, he did no say it was a freak result.
Before the election, he said his country needed him, and he was indispensable.
After the election, he was surprised, but accepted the result.
It was the people's choice after all.

Anonymous said...

Anon 14:37

I sincerely believe that you kena psycho by PAP,but I don't really blame you.

PAP psycho people like you to always compare ourselves with the worst of the lot,of course who can deny that we are much much better off than Myanmar,Cuba,N.Korea and many others.

At the same time,PAP leaders themselves aspire to be above world class,and they sincrely believe that they can are truly so,look at the above world class salary they have awarded to themselves.

Don't blame people for aspiring to be above world class,this is classically called conditioning.
Don't they know all these IVY,Cambride/Oxford graduates whcih we the citizens paid for?or they simple believe that people are just too stupid?

Cheers

Anonymous said...

Today, the MSM compared the prices of housing in Singapore to other cities and of course, the price of housing is not too high as compared to other cities.

However, I wondered whenever there is certain issue e.g. about cost of living, income inequality etc,
is it right to compare to Singapore to other cities?

Some years when I was in university attending a module on urban sociology, my Chinese lecturer commented (in a rather resigned manner) that Singapore is a pressure cooker. (We are discussing the growth of cities and their impacts on people) In big. modern and urbanised cities, there are many common characteristics including the impacts on people's behaviour and the problems faced in such cities. However, he commented that if people in Singapore feel stressed by what is happening in Singapore, there is no other alternative choice. In time, he shuddered to think what would be the consequences that would follow if certain issues are not addressed.

To summarise, Singapore is truly unique. We are a city-state. We are experiencing what would happen in a big, modern city like the rest of the other cities in the world. However, we are also a country which means there are no outlets for the people. If you feel that New York is too expensive, you can always the difficult decision to live in a less expensive city. The thing in other countries is that there is a choice (Choices are important for a person's happiness because it empowers individual and let him/her feel that he has a control over his/her life. I think this has been highlighted in many happiness research reports.) The thing is that Singapore is not that, especially for the 4-5 million people who are citizens of this country.

I feel that Singapore needs to be managed differently because we need to be very careful. The issues we are facing are not new or unique. We cannot look at other cities and compare whether we are better off. It is ridiculous to compare standards and cost of living to countries and then try to compare housing affordability to cities. It is not that simple and the MSM always does that.

Anyway, I feel that this blog is making small strides because whenever I read the MSM, I observed that issues being brought up here are increasingly being highlighted too. Looks like somebody is listening and responding.

I think Lucky is doing a good job because one can get easily frustrated and stop writing and also because there are always people who would say "NATO" or "what is point of 'complaining'?"

Anonymous said...

Yes. I agreed that the authorities may be looking at this site. So please readrs and writers,post your views rationally and constructively.

Anonymous said...

I read blogs like this to seek alternative views on local policies that have affected our lives here, I started off reading a few prominent local blogs but in the end I only read Lucky's blog. Both the maturity and incisiveness of the writer in articulating his feelings and views as well as the maturity and analytical opinions of its readership reflected in the commentaries are the reasons that I read this blog.

What I find irritating are the negative banterings which have risen with the economic downturn, that border on insults such as; down with this and that party, con men, send in the army etc; to me, they are unconstructive, if not ridiculous.

I agree that Lucky is doing a good job. Over the years he has expressed the sentiments and frustrations of heartlanders like me that are easily not found in the MSM, for that I am truly grateful.

Anonymous said...

sorry, typo errors on last para.


"..that are NOT easily found on the MSM.."

Anonymous said...

Actually our orangutanlee is right. PAP will win for next few elections. As long as the dirty words "walkover" still prevail in our election system. It will always be a win-win situation for PAP.

So leave while you still can, dear sinkies. If not, be happy with your peanuts and suck thumb, pls.

:)

taishan said...

"I spent 15 years thinking up these safeguards."

Absolutely useless safeguards.
A salary refund is appropriate.

Anonymous said...

time to prove him wrong in next election?

Anonymous said...

Read in the news MP Charles said if PAP collapses, Singapore also collapses, as no one is competent enough to take over.

Well we have been seeing this person making a lot of controversial statements e.g lesser mortals. The party should look out for those who like to make known they are too 'align' themselves aka 'loyal guards'.

Anonymous said...

I have been analysing the string of posts too and I find it suspicious. It is sad that the government does not listen to feedback and try to implement positive changes e.g. greater transparency, safety net for the poor etc. 1 sincere gesture would be to reduce their obscene pay and replace Ho Ching as CEO of TH. Even the new Japanese government has decided to stop visiting the WWI war shrine. This automatically reduces a lot of animosity. But no, instead of taking steps to show people that they are addressing the problem, they ignore the problems and do things like demoralization and pyschology. And telling people that we cannot survive without them. A lot of cheap and dirty tricks without any sincere gestures to reflect inward and make changes from within.

Anonymous said...

This 3.5m pay for 10 trillion of assets sitting on Singapore argument is completely ludicrous. If you go by that argument, then how come Obama governs a country that has assets I dunno, maybe 1 million times of Singapore, and gets paid a lot less?

A long time ago, I was once sitting in a taxi. When it drove back the Bugis area, the taxi driver said, "The government took my family land. Thieves." And he gestured towards where Raffles Hospital stood. I didn't understand what he was talking about then, now I do, he was talking about the Land Acquisition Act. And if the government took away land at such a cheap cost and resold it to developers for sky-high prices, how much would they have earned? How much of it has trickled down the poor and needy? How much of it has trickled to the everyday singaporean? But no, we have ministers extolling the virtues of building old folk homes in JB, "Just imagine the cost savings!"

Anonymous said...

Now people are :

a) unhappy with too many FT
b) High costs of living
c) Cost of HDB flats sky high
d) Garmeh out of touch
e) Lose much money, but no accountability
f) Unstable job security
g) Ministers talk funny : lesser mortal? collapse? Sure win 10 years?
h) high MP salary Millions $ when average of us less than $50K per year and most money 'channel' back to garmeh
i) Dun see much of MP doing anything constructive, like waiting for monthly automatic pay in conjuction with their CEO posts, millions $ are secondary allowances... can auto-pilot also
j) No new direction goal plan for Singaporeans few years down the road e.g growth engines?
k) RECESSION

you think they can win in the election? when they don't fare well in those good years

Anonymous said...

The opposition is very weak leh. Street fighting among themselves some more. Also GRC big big leh. Some more 66.6% are very happy leh.

SO how can PAP not win big?

Or you tell me how can opposition not lose big?

Anonymous said...

I believe certain wards
will be sensitive as they can't be at all front. Perhaps will have some surprises, always like the election when I see those disgruntled faces.

Who are the 66.66%? The last election was when the economy was fine. Now also a new batch of youngsters who are unhappy with the garmeh, like we see here.

PAP votes will decline in each election, maybe after or the next two like our MM mentioned we will see some major changes.

Anonymous said...

Sg like the US are both developed countries, where the difference lies is US is the world's biggest debtor and Sg is not. Obama is governing a country that has assets of paper pulp value and mouth organs that never stop bragging.

Anonymous said...

A lot of times this old man is just calling his bluff. And I can see that he is just playing around with words.

And sometimes this old man will try to use his "bluff" theory to con us in believing that he is always right.

Some people call this type of person a compulsive liar.

Just look at his bluff theories :-

1) Our Ministers will be corrupt if paid too little. Is Goh Keng Swee ever corrupt ? Or does he mean all the current civil servants in the lower grade are a bunch of corrupt employees.
2) His job which is a thankless one has no takers. The world's highest paid Ministers' jobs has no takers ?
3) No PM material among the current team. Then they must be no good enough ?
4) Wrong opposition will squander away the reserves. He talks as if the reserves belong to PAP. Who is HE to tell the next future govt (if it is not PAP) on how country's reserves can be put to use.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 6/9/09 16:19

"Sg like the US are both developed countries, where the difference lies is US is the world's biggest debtor and Sg is not. Obama is governing a country that has assets of paper pulp value and mouth organs that never stop bragging."


I cannot laugh at such naivety. Without the United States supporting Singapore during the early years, we would long ago been swallowed up by our neighbours. Look around you today and be thankful for all those American MNC's (Pfizer, Dupont, Esso etc) who are employing thousands of Sinaporeans. I have to stop otherwise expletives will be uttered.

Anonymous said...

you are behind the times, US is history. facts are facts, it is the biggest debtor in the world and breaking the history records while you were snoozing. get real!

Anonymous said...

What has that to do with the fact that Singapore owes it's existence to the US? So it is the world's biggest debtor? Does that erase the past? Who is snoozing?

Anonymous said...

"Lee, who now has the title of mentor minister, said even if the opposition took power by a "freak result," it won't be allowed to fire top police, army and other officials without the approval of the president, who is appointed by a committee of government officials. Lee, who is the father of Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, said an opposition government would by law also need the president's approval to tap international reserves, indicating it would not be given" - from quoted article.

What does that say of the Singapore political system that PAP has created?

FAILURE! Because it has become no longer self-correcting in itself as democracy should.

Singapore inherited the British system of democracy. It has worked in the UK and India, the world largest democracy and other Commonwealth nations.

While I do not know how the democratic systems in those other countries vary from the British, the kinds of tweaking that PAP done to it in Singapore are in my opinion certainly not progressive e.g.

1) GRCs & the strategic but ridiculous ward redrawing that go with them,

2) Use of the courts to destroy opponents that PAP perceives as a threat

3) The elected Presidency.

PAP is too clever but what has been achieved is to undermine the Westminster system without coming up with a better one.

In any case, everyone knows the elected Presidency is nothing but a PAP stooge. PAP leadership seems to think it can last. How could it if the people decides they have enough of PAP, elected President or not?

The people is the ultimate ruler but Lee wants to make it otherwise. That's only possible if he can live forever.

But should a need for leadership change come within his lifetime, the elected Presidency would unnecessarily prolong the struggle for true leadership change.

And this would imply nothing less than a complete devolution back to a non-democratic situation such as those in feudal times when leadership change has always been very difficult, often through turmoil and bloodshed for the nation.

In the end, isn't this regression and not progress that PAP has brought to Singapore politics?

Mai Boon Wei said...

Lee Kuan Yew is much hated among thinking Singaporeans.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 6/9/09 16:19
"Sg like the US are both developed countries, where the difference lies is US is the world's biggest debtor and Sg is not. Obama is governing a country that has assets of paper pulp value and mouth organs that never stop bragging."
...............................
I cannot laugh at such naivety. Without the United States supporting Singapore during the early years, we would long ago been swallowed up by our neighbours. Look around you today and be thankful for all those American MNC's (Pfizer, Dupont, Esso etc) who are employing thousands of Sinaporeans. I have to stop otherwise expletives will be uttered.
6/9/09 17:20
..............................
"you are behind the times, US is history. facts are facts, it is the biggest debtor in the world and breaking the history records while you were snoozing. get real!"
..................................
What has that to do with the fact that Singapore owes it's existence to the US? So it is the world's biggest debtor? Does that erase the past? Who is snoozing?
6/9/09 19:12
.................................

Am i talking to a bird brained or what?, in the first instance, you are the one questioning the facts that US is the largest debtor with paper pulp assets, that the facts itself sounded naive to you, remember? And I replied that facts are facts, get that?

If you are so slow to absorb these simple points, i am afraid i really cant help you. I absolutely have no time to waste with you, i hope you'll be able to understand that.

Get the idea or not uncle... yes, no?
oh never mind....


PS: so funny

Anonymous said...

Typical PAP arrogance and downtalking.

Anonymous said...

To tell the truth, anon 23:02, reading your posts, I have not found anything enlightening in what you want to say. On the contrary you sound like a PAP parrot repeating what your masters teach you to say without the ability to present your argument clearly or maturely. I would have thought that being a PAP minion, you might have better insight and be able to craft your speech better. A waste of taxpayers' money - all these highly paid, "think too high of themselves" PAP dogs. Your condescending attitude towards others show through - it speaks louder than all the useless parroted stuff that you write.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 6/9/09 23:02:

You definitely cannot understand the reply does not in any way questioned your statement about the US. Like a mindless parrot you are making an irrelevant statement that has nothing to do with Lucky's post nor refer to any other comments here. Furthermore in the same breath, you talked about Singapore as a developed country and as though we are far superior than the Americans, because they are the world's largest debtor. Pretty laughable if you sincerely believe Singapore has already "developed". There is some truth in that statement made by Malaysia's former Minister of Information that Singapore has a Third World Mentality and you have proven it.

I put across 3 questions to you:

1. If LKY, Najib and Yudhoyono were in trouble and their lives in danger, who do you think the Americans will rescue?

2. Do you believe that Temasek with all the highly-trained and handpick officials are so inept that they lost billions of our hard-earned money investing in the US-led banks?

3. Do you believe nothing will happen to Singapore if the US economy were to suddenly collapse and all their MNC's here and elsewhere close shop?

Please do not make such camparison between Singapore and the US because we are nothing without the US. Be humble as you know little about being a "developed" country in the true sense, which Singapore definitely is not.

Anonymous said...

"Sg like the US are both developed countries, where the difference lies is US is the world's biggest debtor and Sg is not. Obama is governing a country that has assets of paper pulp value and mouth organs that never stop bragging."

Anon,may I suggest an alternative.

US is the great country which prints money freely and give them to all those hard working people/copuntries which need to work,make and sell to them for survival.These countries accept their printout willingly.

Reasonable?It is always good to think out of the box,priority no one is NOT to read ONLY 154th

Cheers

Anonymous said...

Hey Lucky

Forget Obama.

Look at the Brits.

Anonymous said...

Anon 7/9/09 09:03
You are asking alot of irrelevant questions again, i think you have an attitude problem there. did i not bring the message clearly to you that i dont like to hear your bs? enough of your craps.

Anonymous said...

Anon 7/9/09 15:10
No need for an alternative, thanks; i was just clarifying some earlier comments, didnt mean to stir up the hornets nest to be flamed least of all go into a meaningless discourse with some long winded old fud who obviously is too stubborn and opinated for any useful arguments.

Anonymous said...

Today one of my sub -contractor supervisor (58 years old and a very experienced worker) told me his boss may ask him to go this year end, despite all his loyalty and good performance.
The company has been swarmed by Indian and Bangedeshi to keep cost down due to competitive tender pricing. Surprised to me, his pay has been freezed at $1600 for more than a decade (after the 1997 crisis) and that the only reason he is still around is boss need a guy who can speak and understand Mandarin and dialects, not whether he is competent or what.

He mentioned that Singaporeans nowadays cannot accept the low pay and irregular hours and 'hard' work involved as they can find jobs in air-conditioned workplace.

Then I get so irritated when read PAP IN POWER FOR 10 MORE YEARS.

Now like the economy surrounds in words said by powerful people can affect outcome like property prices, share prices, keep the nerve of rich and investment here.

Seems to me hard work is no longer important and twisted words work more wonders. IS THIS THE SIGN OF EMERGING DECAY AND DECLINE.

Anonymous said...

I read in the ST the excerpts from the book "Men in White" by SPH writers and I think gosh the book is kinda 36 years late and probably took more than a leaf from another book by TJS George 'Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore' way back in 1973 eg:

- How Lee swept into power by joining up with the unionists and anti-colonists
- How when he became PM forced them out of his party
- How when those sacked MPs like Lim Chin Siong, Fong Swee Suan, Sandra Woodhull & James Puthucheary formed the new party Barisan Socialis, Lee arrested them and put them behind bars indefinitely

Anyway, 'Men in White' did add a bit more details like interviewing Fong Swee Suan now who said he was interrogated every day and night, slept on cement bed without blanket and was tortured by an alarm clock that rang every 15 minutes outside his cell at night.

This is what LKY did to detainees who could no longer do anything and were completely at his mercy. No wonder it was said that Lim Chin Siong who was the central figure in Singapore's fight for independence - and a unknown hero to many Singaporeans - once attempted suicide under detention.

Yet with complete swagger Lee lays claim to having moral authority to be Singapore's legitimate leader for the last 50 years.

Who can deny him that anymore than anyone could have denied Qin Shi Huang during his reign, and who believed his Chin empire would last 10,000 years but only to collapse not long after his death, not to mention his name still stinks even milleniums after that.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 7/9/09 20:12
"No need for an alternative, thanks; i was just clarifying some earlier comments, didnt mean to stir up the hornets nest to be flamed least of all go into a meaningless discourse with some long winded old fud who obviously is too stubborn and opinated for any useful arguments."

Apparently you seemed to be the one being flamed for talking crap and bullshitting. Stop deluding yourself as others have pointed out your arrogance and valueless contribution here.

Anonymous said...

What do you get when you cross Mugabe with Marcos? ... a Mental Minister

Anonymous said...

A must-read by an innocent former MP Dr Lim Hock Siew who was detained by PAP for 19 years:

http://temasekreview.com/?p=13059

Anonymous said...

I think if LKY were to be jailed, he must have cried out loud and sign whatever stipulated by the authorities. Sad...

Anonymous said...

Looks like with the launch of the book, ghosts of the past and skeletons in the closets are coming out.

This makes me think that propserity of Singapore don't come easily and at a heavy cost. .

Anonymous said...

Anon 21:56

oh plz spare me the details, you are ass punk as my grandma!

Anonymous said...

Who needs an opposition to squander our reserves, one brilliant daughter-in-law is sufficient.