Friday, November 20, 2009

Some Singaporeans become a minority in Singapore......

“When I go for a function and I see only expat Indians and no Singaporean Indians, I feel uncomfortable – like the future is being taken over by expats. What will happen in 15 or 20 years’ time, when my children start work?’ -Mr K. Varatharaju.

Straits Times [Link]


Actually Mr. Varatharaju does not need to wait until his children start work. It is already happening.
An increasing number of companies in Singapore now do not even want applications from Singaporeans let alone older Singaporeans:
I don't blame these companies or foreign individuals at all for the current situation. Companies want foreign workers for various reasons - no in-camp disruptions, can easily hire and fire, bigger pool of younger workers, sometimes lower wages etc. Companies are profit seeking entities, they do not exist to maximise the social or economic benefits for Singaporeans. Someone else was suppose to take care of that equation. You cannot blame foreigners because they are here to seek a better life for themselves just as we do for ourselves. Once there is a large pool of, say, mainland Chinese, in the company it makes less sense to hire Singaporeans because the cultural and language differences will make management difficult. There is no shortage of almost any kind of skill you can get from China and India so you can guess what will happen to the Singaporean worker in the long run if the PAP keeps its policies.

55 comments:

Anonymous said...

And we are doing national service to defend the right of foreign students to STEAL scholarships to our local unis, to STEAL our jobs, to keep our wages depressed and to keep middle-aged Singaporeans in perpetual unemployment.

Majullah Singapura!

skeptic said...

If it is bad for the Chinese and Indian Singaporeans, how about the Malay Singaporeans?

I think they are the ones who are most affected by the influx of China and Indian nationals since they can't speak their languages.

For example, how can they get service along Orchard Road when everyone is speaking mandarin. At least the local born Chinese knows enough to communicate with them.

Don't misunderstand me. I am not saying that Indian and Chinese Singaporeans are not affected. They definitely are affected badly too. But the worst affected are the Malays.

Anonymous said...

Actually as long as they contribute to GDP, never mind whether foreign talents are 2nd, 3rd or what not class.

It doesn't matter whether it is a black or white cat. As long as it catches mice it is a good cat.

And make them new citizens so that they can also vote to contribute to political stability.

Anonymous said...

I am a Singaporean towkay. And if you are Singaporean, I don't want to look at your resume.

Foreign workers are cheaper. They don't have families to raise in expensive Singapore. They also don't have expensive housing loans to service. So, I can pay them less and they won't complain.

Foreign workers are also more hardworking. They don't take maternity leave or go on reservist. I dont' give a crap what reason you have for not showing up for work. I don't care whether you are flying off to the moon, having a baby, doing your ICT or resting from a fractured leg. If you aren't there, you aren't there. That makes you an expensive worker. My cheap foreign workers are always there at work.

I am voting PAP in the coming elections to make sure we get more foreign workers. My business is expanding, and I want more foreign workers only. I want Filipino workers who can speak good English, and PRC workers who can speak good Mandarin.

What competitive edge does a Singaporean worker have? Bloody expensive, got reservist? Can speak both English and Mandarin big f*** is it?

If you wanna be a Singaporean, go be a towkay! If not, I guarantee you that your life will suck.

Anonymous said...

Singaporeans should help fellow Singaporeans wherever possible but not to do it for charity. If Singaporeans can do this and make a small profit then do so. There are vast opportunities in nearby countries and I know many people like myself who have found a niche. Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia and Philippines are countries are examples where Singaporeans have gone and succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

My advice...be entrepreneurial, think out of the box, be resourceful and be humble. Staying here looking for jobs is a struggle and I know as I was unemployed for years as age was not on my side. Call me fortunate that I now have something going which can provide me a good livelihood until I drop dead.

I will look for opportunities for fellow Singaporeans where I work and post useful links or might even post job offers. This is not charity so do not expect any. I will make postings here and I hope others will too.

Anonymous said...

a while baack, i was a temp staff in a gov agency. most of my colleagues are FTs. the gov is actually taking the lead in hiring FTs.

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"Mr K. Varatharaju, 43, a factory owner who was at the event, told The Sunday Times about his own experience when he sent his youngest daughter to Sarada Kindergarten in Bartley Road: He discovered that she was one of only two Singaporean Indians in the class of 15." - ST 08/11/09

"i work in the reserach industry. Out of a lab of 40 people, I am the only Singapore born Singaporean. I am feeling like the last of the mohicans down here." - Anon 19/11/09 11:56

"i work in ntu. my bosses are foreigners from hk and china. they employ only their kind (majority). i left, eventually, for greener pastures overseas." - Anon 19/11/09 12:03

"a while baack, i was a temp staff in a gov agency. most of my colleagues are FTs. the gov is actually taking the lead in hiring FTs." - Anon 20/11/09 09:43

**********

Singapore has the third largest proportion of foreign-born persons in the whole world - 36% of the total population.

As Kojakbt has pointed out in an earlier post, 28% of the current 1.79 million foreigners (over 500,000 people) came to Singapore in the last 3 years alone!

No first world nation of comparable size (eg. Ireland, Norway, New Zealand) has such a huge proportion of foreigners or such a high inflow rate.

Only the UAE and Kuwait has more foreigners.

But compare the total fertility rates:

Kuwait (2009 est.) = 2.76 children/woman

UAE (2009 est.) = 2.42 children/woman

Singapore (2009 est.) = 1.09 children/woman

We are FAR, FAR below the replacement level of 2.1.

Due to the "stop at two" government policy in the 70-80s, we now managed to "achieve" a lower fertility rate than Japan (1.21)!

Abysmal fertility rate in combination with sky-high foreigner inflow rate is a very risky combination that is not attempted by any other government in the entire world.

Anonymous said...

Lim leng Hiong 09:51

No worry. Not risky at all. At least politically and socially. PAP knows what they are doing and it is still far from breaking point yet. Remember 6.5 million target?

So what remains is to take care of GDP by whatever means, even casinos.

Peter said...

The only sad thing about this period in time are those 45 and above.Too young to retire and too old to go back to school for a degree to be competitive.What to do or expect??? The younger generation to excel above all others and take care of their families with the opportunities available in good education, and a safe clean surroundings to go about it.Confucian Ethics???Filial Piety???Asian Culture of Family,Home & Nation???This would than lesson the burden of a govt. to take care of the old and sick???Citizens of Singapore you decide.All we have is a little REDDOT.Lose that and we will be absorbed into a sea of green.Can you IMAGINE THE AGONY IF THAT HAPPENS??? IF NOT THAN REPLACE OUR GOVT.WITH WORKERS PARTY/REFORM PARTY with credible people and smaller parties.Pick your choice but be prepared for the consequences all we have is ourselves in this City not a State where Malaysians proudly claim that even their K.L. International airport land base is bigger than our little REDDOT.( I AM NO PAP OR GOVT.SYCOPHANT,ACTIVIST NOR IDEALIST BUT A REALIST WHO LIVE THROUGH IT ALL IN MALAYSIA,INDONESIA,CAMBODIA and to a lesser extend PHILLIPINES,LOAS AND THAILAND)

Anonymous said...

Many have said that the best way to stop the immigration policy is to vote the ruling party out. But then we do not have a alternate party strong enough to manage Singapore yet. So I believe the best way to ensure a win-win situation is to vote the PM and MM out in their respective wards. Just imagine how things would be if the PM was voted out in the previous election. Things might we very different now. If we can have that happen in the next election, they will a renewal in leadership and a change in power, which will result in better hope for us.

Parka said...

Sad to say, I have to agree (sort of) with the Anonymous Towkay above.

After reading so much benefits of the foreign workers from so sources of media, including this blog, it just doesn't make any sense (and cents) to hire Singaporean. In the future, the mentality of hiring Singaporeans will be that of an obligation.

Singaporeans have to help themselves. If you're going to be an employee, you're always going to be affected by these sort of discrimination in the market.

LapDog TowKay said...

Damn I won't want to work for a Singapore Towkay with such lousy attitude. Stingy mofos. Let the PRCs work for him.

And also I hope his chidlren loose their jobs to PRCs. :)

Anonymous said...

discrimination! always there is discrimination against SINGAPOREANS!

you see it in

- kangaroo courts
- job markets
- hdb policies
- university placements
- scholarship

what are we still waiting for???

Anonymous said...

I once applied for a subsidised masters course at NTU and was shortlisted for interviews. A Viet dude who spoke halting English with a heavy Vietnamese accent was the coordinator! I struggled to make out his words and struggled to make him understand mine. The appointment was almost messed up as a result. Is he the best person to be coordinating? Is an FT better than a local here?

When I went for the briefings and interviews I found that the faculty were mostly Indian or Chinese nationals. So were the applicants. I was shocked looking around to see that Singaporeans were completely outnumbered. I felt like I'm either in India or China. My interviewer-a Chinese national-also had some difficulty communicating in English. To complete my misery, he looked disinterested from the very beginning and was merely going though the motions.
I was not terribly surprised not to get selected to say the least.

From my observation, the majority of successful applicants for this masters course are FT. NTU should be renamed FTU..Foreign Talent University. Lecturers,admin, students are increasingly FT. (Remember the Indonesian FT that allegedly stabbed the FT professor? The witnesses? All FT also!)

I've had good friends and colleagues from all over the world and I'm not xenophobic, but whats happening in recent times is way overboard. Why are locals being made to feel like foreigners in their own land?
Triple whammy that peeves me:

1)Locals get displaced by FTs for places in our local Uni
2)These FTs therefore get better qualifications than locals and displace us in our job market.
3)and to top it off: the displaced Locals are subsidizing these FTs.

great!

LuckySingaporean said...

I completely agree to the idea that we will all be better off by being towkays. Just like the citizens of UAE and Kuwait, the only other countries with comparable level of foreigners, we all ought to be sitting on top as the foreign labor do all the hard work. That sadly is not the case.

A large segment of our population has been pushed below the poverty line and a very small segment on top saw the biggest rise in wealth in the past decade.

Anonymous said...

To Singapore Towkay

In a short while,your PRC workers themselves will become towkays and will push you out of your business by offering cheaper services. Its just a matter of time. First they took over the sex trade, then the garang guni trade, then the chicha shops, then restaurants, now they are in research and soon most will be running SMEs. Then singapore towkays will be sucking eggs

Alan Wong said...

If I remember correctly, the old man once mentioned that we Singaporeans doesn't seem to know what gratitude is.

I suppose the old man is at his vindictive best to make us understand that word now.

Anonymous said...

This is singaporean towkay.

I have no time to think about the future, when I got problems right now.

When I need help, where are the Singaporeans to help me? You help me pay the rent? You help me pay my bills?

Chinaman and pinoys may push me out of business 2-3 years from now. But to me, 2-3 years is an eternity away. I got enough immediate problems on my own.

Anonymous said...

I am a Singaporean boss. In order to fight my competitors on cost, I need cheaper workers. Singaporeans are just too expensive, refusing to accept $800 a month. I find that mainland Chinese and Filipinos are getting expensive also.

My next source of cheap labour is Africa. There are many hungry people dying to get out. I can pay them just $100 with food and lodging provided. Hope the government can approve their work permits. If cannot, just pressure the pro biz government, they will come to their senses. Hope to bring 500,0000 Africans here soon.

Anonymous said...

You cannot blame the singaporean towkay. All the policies are already in place and there is a certain helplessness with regard to the situation in Singapore.

All of us belong to the group of forefathers who came to Singapore about 100 years ago. As Lucky has said, we were a resilient and diligent group of people. That is why everytime, the talented ministers tell us to swallow the bitter pills and not be complacent, I cringed. To me, such statements are not constructive at all. If you are someone living in Ethopia or Haiti, you would somehow still try to survive no matter what happens.

For so many years, it is precisely such attributes of resiliency and diligence which built up our reserves. However, it may be possible that such attributes may be our downnfall if we continue to think that this group of people are always making the correct decisions.

Personally, ever since they came up with the reasons to justify their million dollar pay, I feel that we are already on the wrong track.

Anonymous said...

In the Gulf countries, FT serves the locals, not the other way round.

You can even be a 2nd generation FT, born, bred and educated entirely in the gulf, yet will never get a PR; much less citizenship.

The locals will work above all the FTs. They get priority in schools, in shops, in restaurants, in hospitals, in government departments. It is a well known fact if a local get into a car accident with a FT, the FT is always wrong, whatever the case may be.

The gulf governments do not throw out PR/citizenship invitations. They do not have foreigners assimilation schemes. They do not make things easier for the FT. If anything, they make it more difficult.

Yet, people from all over the world, USA, Europe, Asia…flocks to the Gulf. Why? Money and opportunity calls…

Contrast this with our dear Singapore.

We welcome FT with wide-open arms. We throw incentives at them. We educate them. We invite them to be PRs after a mere 6 months. We put them in charge of locals. We even disadvantage the locals via lesser education opportunities, NS, job opportunities, etc

What attracts FTs to S’pore? Just like the Gulf countries, money and opportunities call…You think they like S'pore?

So, tell me, how did the Gulf turn that same money and opportunity that lures FT to their local citizen’s advantage and S’pore turn theirs into the local citizen’s disadvantage?

Is that what a multi-million parliament is supposed to do?

Anonymous said...

to the towkay who is trying to bring in africans on $100 salary,

what business are you doing that pays such a miserable sum?

if the pro-biz govt is silly enough to grant your wish, then we can say goodbye to singapore.

Anonymous said...

As towkays, our big objective is to make big money. Our small objective, is to survive downturn at any costs.

We didn't go into business to do charity.

Landlord wants to up rental by 30% next renewal, you will fight for us or not? Or you damn happy that your REITs shares can pay you higher dividends next year? Where do you think your dividends from stocks come from? From my freaking sweat and labour! I am risking bankruptcy so that you can enjoy a 5% increase in your bloody REITs dividends!

I know exactly what I am doing, when I fire Singaporeans and hire FTs. Singaporeans screw me, I screw them back.

Maybe FTs will screw me one day, the same way they screw my kids out of scholarships in NTU, but that's in the future.

I show charity to expensive Singaporeans. Which Singaporean will fight for me, fight to lower my rental and costs?

Anonymous said...

This problem seems only apply to Indian Singaporean...

Chinese Singaporean outnumber Chinese PR everywhere, while both Malay Singaporean and Malay PR are rare in any company.

Sth wrong with the education system?

Towkay said...

I am the towkay planning to bring in Africans.

Africans are big, strong, hardy and hungry. It doesn't matter what jobs I give them as long as they can earn $100 a month. As long as the government gets its levies, government linked companies earn more profits, towkays get kickbacks from hiring foreigners, anything is worth considering. Even till now 36% are foreigners, you still don't know how Singapore works, what a joker. You don't see the trend meh? First it was Malaysian workers, then they became more expensive, then bring in the Chinese, Indians, Myanmar, and Filipinos.

Towkay said...

The problem with hiring Africans on $100 a month is they have little disposable income. My businesses depends on people to spend. Singaporeans are jobless, also no money to spend.

Best situation is that Singaporeans sell their flats to rich foreigners, then downgrade to 10 persons in a 2-room flat. This way Singaporeans have a lot of disposable cash to spend at my businesses, without holding a job. I applaud the government's foresight to build studio and 2-room flats.

So far government is doing everything right! Bring in rich foreigners to buy flats from Singaporeans so that Singaporeans can earn cash and spend their money on my businesses. They can also use this money to tide them over jobless periods until they decide to migrate or die. Also let towkays bring in cheap labour to replace Singaporeans. This government is brilliant!

Anonymous said...

Hey lucky, off topic but I was wondering if you could enlighten me.

US says china is making its goods to cheap by keeping its currency pegged to the us dollar. Unfair trade practise blah, blah blah....

But... currency is just a peice of paper. If the currency cannot go up, then the numerical cost of goods/ services/ wages will go up instead. ie. you will see inflation. Which is happening in China..... So.... actually, over the long term, there is no way to have a cheap currency.

Right?

Anonymous said...

It's not locals who are towkays. Even FTs are becoming towkays.

You read what Anon 11:36 wrote? The guy interviewing him for his masters is a Vietnamese. That makes the Vietnamese a "towkay" in a way, since he has the power to grant employment or scholarships.

We are putting FTs as towkays over locals. And the FTs, while given a chance by Singapore to prosper, have absolutely no love for singapore and singaporeans.

They will replace all Singaporeans with their own countrymen, courtesy of Singaporeans' tax dollars.

Imagine yourself doing NS and reservist to defend foreigners who are determined to replace all of you in schools, research centres and jobs at all levels.

And you still vote PAP. How stupid can you get?

Anonymous said...

One Towkay bring in 500,000 african, 10 towkay bring in 5 millions africans.
Very soon w will have more than 10 millions FTs.
Things are getting very interesting now.

Anonymous said...

S'pore should replace our MM, SM, PM, etc. with FTs to keep the costs
down too.

Anonymous said...

I wonder why the SM and the MM have been visiting China so frequently for the last 3 years?

Could there be a secret negotiation to allow PRC people to slowly replace local Singaporeans and take over the control of Singapore in time to come?

From the way things are going on now (even Sim Lim Square has been taken over been PRC FTs), in 10 to 20 years' time, Singapore may be completely taken over by PRC people, on the new citizens ticket.

Things are getting interesting. Better get the hell out of here before it is too late.

Anonymous said...

migrate or die!

Anonymous said...

NO WONDER LKY KEEP PUSHING US TO LEARN CHINESE! IT IS MORE LIKE INTEGRATING US TO THEM, WE ARE THE MINORITY!

Anonymous said...

Towkay, how r u gg to ship the Africans here? By cargo ship or by plane? Very expensive leh. Probably no direct flight to those hungry ppl cities as well.

There is still plenty of hungry ppl who is willing to work for free for a PR in SE Asia or China. Try North Korea first. Cheaper to ship.

Are we discussing about slave trade in the 16th century?

Anonymous said...

Everytime I read Parka's comments, I gag.

Anonymous said...

WHAT??? PAY SO MEASLY LIKE 1.2 TO 2.2K AND MP TELLS US SINGAPOREANS TO BE CHEAPER BETTER AND FASTER???? HOW CAN WHEN A EQUALLY MEASLY FLAT AT $300K IS AFFORDABLE???

And at $2.2K, I will be paying all my money to the house loan that is AFFORDABLE. HELL FIRST WORLD.

Anonymous said...

If you can't even afford a 4-room flat on your 1.2k - 2.2k monthly pay, get an even smaller flat within your budget!

See! I even know the standard PAP answer.

Anonymous said...

"If you can't even afford a 4-room flat on your 1.2k - 2.2k monthly pay, get an even smaller flat within your budget!

See! I even know the standard PAP answer."

HEY ! Congratulation. You just get a distinction grade for your answer. Now start applying for minister's post. The old fart will be very impressed by your answer.

Anonymous said...

I know exactly what I am doing, when I fire Singaporeans and hire FTs. Singaporeans screw me, I screw them back.

Maybe FTs will screw me one day, the same way they screw my kids out of scholarships in NTU, but that's in the future.

I show charity to expensive Singaporeans. Which Singaporean will fight for me, fight to lower my rental and costs?

YOU ARE SUCH A BLOODY SHORT-SIGHTED ASS. What's "in the future'? IT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW FOR GOODNESS SAKE. When things happen, don't BLAME PEOPLE and don't ask for help!

Now you know why I won't EVER vote for PAP? The damn problem is that these stupid people who still vote for PAP and STILL hoping that things WILL get better. Get real. Your kids are going to suffer, and if THEY suffer, don't be surprised if YOU get checked into an OLD FOLKS' HOME to wait for death. You are paying for your own god-damn selfishness.

Anonymous said...

I vote for a party that can :

a) SUBSTAINABLE PLANS for old folks to retire, maybe even outsource to places like in Indonesia where living standard is low

b) real AFFORDABLE HOSUING PLANS like 1 to 2 1/2 room for Singles like me to save up for retirement

c) LOWER COSTS OF LIVING plans


anyway even if there aren't such a party around, I will VOTE against PAP during the election. I AM VERY UNHAPPY ABOUT MOST OF THEIR POLICIES. ALL CUSINES FOR THEM AND ONLY CRUMBS FOR US AND THEY EVEN OVERCHARGED US FOR THAT AND SAY.... IT IS AFFORDABLE. WAKE UP!

Anonymous said...

Soon Sinkiland will become a long-distant province of China. The reasons are obvious.

Ask yourself, is it better to be part of Malaysia or China?

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LKYRIP said...

we need to pray for the demise of the old man, then things will change..since his wife is already brain dead.. No matter what, i will vote for the opposition, whether change is for better or worse i dun care, how bad can it get anyway..

Anonymous said...

Unlike Towkays who enjoy the perks employing cheap FTs, be more resourceful. I am a Singapore Towkay in a foreign country and I have all the comforts of home, a few maids, drivers, cars etc. As an FT, I make a living and send money back to Singapore. Singapore Towkays can do much better overseas.

Kojakbt said...

"Triple whammy that peeves me:

1)Locals get displaced by FTs for places in our local Uni
2)These FTs therefore get better qualifications than locals and displace us in our job market.
3)and to top it off: the displaced Locals are subsidizing these FTs."

It's true. All FTs studying in our NUS/NTU/SMU have subsidies. According to NUS website, the following are the fees paid by SG/PR/FT:

[Business]
SG: Total tuition fee is $26,000. Govt pays $19,000. SG pays $7,000 (27%)
PR: Total tuition fee is $26,700. Govt pays $19,000. PR pays $7,700 (29%)
FT: Total tuition fee is $29,500. Govt pays $19,000. FT pays $10,500 (36%)

[Computing]
SG: Total tuition fee is $33,020. Govt pays $26,400. SG pays $6,620 (20%)
PR: Total tuition fee is $33,690. Govt pays $26,400. PR pays $7,290 (22%)
FT: Total tuition fee is $36,330. Govt pays $26,400. FT pays $9,930 (27%)

[Medicine]
SG: Total tuition fee is $107,160. Govt pays $88,200. SG pays $18,960 (18%)
PR: Total tuition fee is $109,060. Govt pays $88,200. PR pays $20,860 (19%)
FT: Total tuition fee is $116,640. Govt pays $88,200. FT pays $28,440 (24%)

Certainly, we can see that PAP is very generous towards PR/FT...

Kojakbt said...

"As Kojakbt has pointed out in an earlier post, 28% of the current 1.79 million foreigners (over 500,000 people) came to Singapore in the last 3 years alone!"

Data from Dept of Stats website (note that DOS only gave last 6 years of PR data):

Total foreigners (PR+FT) residing in Singapore and its % of overall pop in SG:

2004 27% 1,109,600
2005 28% 1,184,800
2006 29% 1,293,500
2007 32% 1,454,700
2008 35% 1,674,900
2009 36% 1,786,900

Kojakbt said...

"My next source of cheap labour is Africa. There are many hungry people dying to get out. I can pay them just $100 with food and lodging provided. Hope the government can approve their work permits. If cannot, just pressure the pro biz government, they will come to their senses. Hope to bring 500,0000 Africans here soon."

You don't even need to pay them any money. Just a decent 3 meals and a clean sheet everyday will do. Cause comparing themselves living in those war-torn refugee camps now, with decent free meals and a nice bed to sleep on, it's already heaven!

So, any scholar civil servants out there who want to score points with your pro-business PAP master, please put up this proposal to your Minister. HAHA!

Kojakbt said...

"The gulf governments do not throw out PR/citizenship invitations. They do not have foreigners assimilation schemes. They do not make things easier for the FT. If anything, they make it more difficult.

Yet, people from all over the world, USA, Europe, Asia…flocks to the Gulf. Why? Money and opportunity calls…

Contrast this with our dear Singapore..."

Very true. It's obvious that our million dollar Ministars are all completely disconnected with the ground. It's like rats and cockroaches will attempt to come into your house in anyway cause they are always food crumps around. But our million dollar Ministars so scared that they don't want to come and got to resort to opening the door wide and giving them free food subsidy to come into the house!

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Ricky said...

To Singapore Towkay In a short while,your PRC workers themselves will become towkays and will push you out of your business by offering cheaper services. Its just a matter of time. First they took over the sex trade, then the garang guni trade, then the chicha shops, then restaurants, now they are in research and soon most will be running SMEs. Then singapore towkays will be sucking eggs

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