Tuesday, December 15, 2009

Take the coming elections seriously....

In response to my previous posting, someone posted a comment giving 50+ reasons why one should not vote for the PAP in the coming elections. While you may agree or disagree with what Alex Tan has posted on the Internet, you have to applaud his courage for speaking up. Many Singapore may not share the same level of frustrustion with the PAP govt but there is a growing discontent with govt policies and a fairly widespread recognition of a need for change. In recent months, economists from various public and private institutions have spoken up on the negative impact of the large influx of imported labor on Singaporeans. What you should be concerned about is not just the foreign 'talent' policy itself but its deceptive implementation. When it was started more than a decade ago, the govt said that it's aim is to bring in top talent - skills that does not exist in Singapore. When the numbers rose, the PAP govt said that they were here to create jobs for Singaporeans. They have for years denied the negative impact on Singaporeans such as the widening income gap, structural unemployment and rising cost of living. As the numbers rose other reasons were invented such as low fertility among Singaporeans, I have explained that this is untrue as the workforce today was born roughly 30 years ago when our fertility rate was 3.0 and the PAP govt was trying to lower it with the 2 child policy. The real reason is very simple - the PAP govt prioritized GDP growth above other things and opened the floodgates to feed the industries dependent on low cost labor and to keep labor cost down in effect repressing the income of a large segment of the population....and they kept this going for years as many Singaporeans suffered - their interests traded away for those of businesses such as GLCs closely linked to PAP.

In the last elections, some Singaporeans were hopeful of positive changes given a change of PM and what was mistaken for his recognition of a need for change - Remaking of Singapore committe etc. Singaporeans should have taken the elections more seriously as the PAP govt tried to win not by discussing policies or the way ahead for Singapore but by promising an outlandish sum of money for estate upgrading if elected. They refused to discuss policy initiatives such as means testing during the elections. After the elections, the first acts of the newly elected PM were to up the salary of his cabinet and the GST to cut corporate tax and taxes of high income earners. All hopes for positive changes for Singaporeans were dashed as the PM showed that he was there to preserve the status quo. The increase in minister's pay was a step to preserve PAP's power as the millions paid out for ministers were no longer sufficient to attract people from their own establishment of GLCs, civil service and uniformed service. The incomes over the years were raised to ridiculous levels creating a oversized sense of entitlement of the PAP-linked elites.- the result of years of elitism practiced in the name of meritocracy. ....the same system that saw the income of the bottom 20% of Singapore household sinking to below $1200 per month - some get less for their hard labor in one year than what President Nathan get for shaking hands and smiling in one day. Something has gone very wrong and it is not the PAP's interest to fix it.

I urge all Singaporeans to take the coming elections seriously. Think about the issues clearly and rationally. Do not allow your emotions to be manipulated by propaganda. Spend time to understand the issues surrounding Singapore and its future. Look up the best available ideas and seriously think about how you want this country to be run. Take the effort to understand the plight of your fellow Singaporeans - not just of your own family. We cannot afford to remain apathetic, fearful, self-centered and quiet because the consequences will become harder and harder to accept.

74 comments:

lim said...

I still say we need checks and balance, and to deny pap a majority in parliament..

Anonymous said...

The best way to do that is to focus on the youth and students. Focus on those in NS, in their 20s and early 30s. This is the target group. Our parents' generation are hopeles. They've allowed this apathy to result in the first place. Like what the Hokkien people say, "Bo lam pa!"

Anonymous said...

Agreed.

A 81 - 3 is also in the right direction. Slowly but surely, there will be more people willing to go into politics.

Frankly, I do not expect PAP to lose the majority. For a start, 74 - 10 would be nice. : )

abc said...

My decision had been made since last election, cool-off for 4 years. Do not need another cooling day.

Anonymous said...

*clap clap clap*

that's a very good summary of a helicopter view of sg politics.

time to act is now. singapore will NOT collapse if we vote in some oppo GRCs for we have a capable, if not bloated, civil service to run the ops.

the weakest link is the national policies, which will NOT be righted by the current pap elites!

Vote for Change!

Anonymous said...

If you vote for PAP this time, you should not complain when prices are raised, SG gets more crowded, you get replaced by younger foreigner, etc. Because you voted for it.

If you vote for PAP, I will not help you if you get cheated, robbed, molested or sacked by a foreign talent, or even local talent. Because you voted for it.

If you vote for PAP, and you read that some Singaporean killed his family because of money problems (eg. his job was taken by FT), bear in mind that you have blood on your hands.

Anonymous said...

Not quite true that the older generation are clueless. Old ladies maybe, but as for old men, not even those uneducated and sitting in coffeeshops are as hopeless as we think. I am 64 years old, male, and have voted opposition for the past 5 elections in Hougang.

Bo Lam Pa? They do not have to worry about losing their jobs, their pensions etc. So, what do they have to loose for voting opposition?

It is the younger generation, working for the government and GLCs, uniformed personnel, civil servants and their parents who have much to worry about when they voted for the opposition. The are psychologically afraid of their own shadows.

So, who are the real target groups to focus on?

Anonymous said...

i believe some people who wanted to vote opp have no chance as they might be in the area of walkover.

indeed it will be hard for opp to dominate as they do not have enough candidates and strong candidates to compete.

fortunately, with new age technology, news and issue is not as easily controlled as it used to be. Thanks to the power of social networking.

And more and more younger generation are educated and highly education, they will analyze the situation. The result is blatantly obvious over the years.

Singapore Citizens are not like in the 60s-80s where only few educated people around making those few elites. In the past, the uneducated respect the 'elites' and get influenced by them because they respect and trust people who are educated.

Today, more of the young generation are educated, they understand, know and they will search for answers. At this moment, Singapore Citizens will still have the fear to stand out to question but i believe, given some time, more citizens will stand out to question as young generation are bolder and smarter than in the past.

Anonymous said...

It is not easy to change an incumbent govt, especially one with a 44 year unbroken record.

Just look at other countries. Some of their govt are much worse than the PAP and yet they manage to survive and rule, despite even a strong opposition, protests and riots.

PAP therefore should have no problem with a 2/3 majority or more in elections and can also afford to make more mistakes without much impact. Because external checks and balance simply don't exist at all.

PAP is also lucky to have our kind of opposition and the electorate and also blessed with a small island only. Things will be different if it is a big country like Indonesia or even Malaysia.

I would even say that even if PAP disappear overnight, the opposition also cannot take over. What more with PAP so strong and solid.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 1323 made a interesting point. Hypothetically, if the entire government is replaced, under the system, the civil, military and judicial services will still continue to run their normal operations.

All civil servants are supposed to work for the government. Given that if PAP has so efficient and effective for so many years and they, being so highly talented and intelligent; the people they have been recruiting for the civil service should be able run itself effectively without the ministers (Read civil servant who went to France for culinary class)

So, I would say that even without PAP as government, our civil service should continue to be effective and efficient for a period of time. (Got survey to prove that our civil service is top class mah) : )

pioneer79 said...

the ans is clear, The Pap WILL CONTINUE TO win the election, as Lee KY refuse to die.
he seenm to be continue very strong to earn $3m per year.

Sporeans need to wake up, talk cock no action will not lead to anything.
wake up wake up

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"In response to my previous posting, someone posted a comment giving 50+ reasons why one should not vote for the PAP in the coming elections. While you may agree or disagree with what Alex Tan has posted on the Internet, you have to applaud his courage for speaking up. Many Singapore may not share the same leve of frustrustion with the PAP govt but there is a growing discontent with govt policies and a fairly widespread recognition of a need for change."

I find it interesting to observe that, recently Singaporeans from all walks of life have remarkably similar criticisms of the government.

Usually people from different social classes will be unhappy about different government policies because of different self-interests, but amazingly in Singapore when the foreign talent issue is mentioned everyone from technicians to nurses to researchers to managers all start to complain.

Only the top towkays remain quiet.

Perhaps the government has successfully united Singaporeans in an unexpected way?

One People, One Nation, One Singapore...

Anonymous said...

Not just this issue...still got many issues people are on the same wavelength...regardless of race, age, gender etc...

Recently, I got to know a trainer from Canada, Montreal. I know it is just one foreigner, but...

He said that he find Singapore expensive...

He stayed in Singapore for 6 days and fyi, exchange rate is abt 1.2...

runroad said...

"I would even say that even if PAP disappear overnight, the opposition also cannot take over."

Why would you say anything so clearly silly? If you or I get elected, it would be no problem for us to take over, form the next government and run the country. Why? Because all the nuts and bolts of the operation is invested in institutions like the civil service. That's what those buggers are there for, to serve as kah kia for whoever gets elected to office.

Governments are voted in and governments get voted out as you see in every civilised nation thoughout the world. Brand new, inexperienced people who have never held office before in their lives take over all the time. Does the US, Australia, UK, S. Korea, Japan, Poland, even India collapse into utter chaos everytime that happens? C'mon, that's an LKY BS line that he's been bluffing small kids with for donkey's years. Don't do his work for him, please.

And if you're not convinced NO expertise is required to fill any ministerial position, just pick anyone in the present Cabinet and match his current portfolio to what his skill set is. Khaw? An engineer who's put in charge of Health. What's his medical training? Zip. Lee Hsien Loong? Math academic. Does he have business experience, run a multinational? Nope, but he was in charge of Trade and Industry. Goh Chok Tong? Shipping line manager allowed to run Defence and Health. And how about Lee Kuan Yew? Lawyer who knows f***all about business and economics but appointed himself finance minister.

All you need is an ordinary complement of grey matter and a big enough mouth/network and you too can become PM. These people are where they are by being in the right place at the right time, nothing special or wonderful, not geniuses though they do try very hard to pretend otherwise. Kick the whole gang out tomorrow and the nation will hardly notice they're gone after a couple of weeks settling down. On average, Ah Meng could do the job as effectively by ticking a multiple-choice cabinet paper with poo.

Ghost said...

Lucky, it take two to tango. Say what you want about the PAP but would the opposition be better? Like you said, Singaporeans should take their vote seriously and that means voting for the people they think would be best for Singapore. I'm no fan of the PAP but I will only vote for the opposition if I think their guy (or team) is better than the PAP guy (or team). A protest vote is as bad, if not worse than, not voting at all. It takes two to tango and that means the Singapore opposition need to step up their game or the results will always be the same.

Anonymous said...

i am not prepared to sent opposition candidates to parliament and earn the very pay they ridiculed the pap of and worse, basically make useless noises which basically changes NOTHING.

neither do i support the EXTREME agendas of the elites.

the third way is best but fuking idiots don't get it!

what to do?

Anonymous said...

"Kick the whole gang out tomorrow and the nation will hardly notice they're gone after a couple of weeks settling down. On average, Ah Meng could do the job as effectively by ticking a multiple-choice cabinet paper with poo."

ah meng is dead. maybe we can hire the janitors in ion to run this country instead.

Anonymous said...

I feel that the main point is not about trusting politicians. They are also humans and they will definitely make mistakes.

Take on this perspective; there is absolutely no way in this world to know what is the best solution to a problem. The PAP has always used this point of not voting in the 'useless' opposition. However in Singapore, we have an unique situation in terms of the laws and regulations and also the political climate. Most developed democratic countries have a majority 2 party system. I guess the reason is more for checks and balances than anything else. I do not believe nor have the confidence to trust anybody. Having somebody who has the same vested interest to check on another is the best way to ensure that the other will not do anything that is to the detrimental of the general good. Only this system is viable. If we continue to have a partt dominating all the time, the standards will fall surely.

I think the same analogy goes for competition and business. If you always win against lesser competition, you will never improve or push yourself towards higher goals. If you do not have a board of directors or shareholders to scrutinise the company's practices, you will never know how effective the CEO is. In real life, it is difficult to have two approaches to a problem at the same time and assess which one is better. Similarly for government, our present system already makes it so difficult for a new political party to succeed. If we continue to have the mindset that the present government has always been propagating, we are forever taking the steps in the wrong direction.

I really do not believe that a single party dominating a country is the long term answer to our welfare or well-being. I do not think the oppositions are great or the present government is insipid. I just honestly believe a transparent and accountable system that has the required checks and balances is better for Singapore.

Anonymous said...

I feel that the main point is not about trusting politicians. They are also humans and they will definitely make mistakes.

Take on this perspective; there is absolutely no way in this world to know what is the best solution to a problem. The PAP has always used this point of not voting in the 'useless' opposition. However in Singapore, we have an unique situation in terms of the laws and regulations and also the political climate. Most developed democratic countries have a majority 2 party system. I guess the reason is more for checks and balances than anything else. I do not believe nor have the confidence to trust anybody. Having somebody who has the same vested interest to check on another is the best way to ensure that the other will not do anything that is to the detrimental of the general good. Only this system is viable. If we continue to have a partt dominating all the time, the standards will fall surely.

I think the same analogy goes for competition and business. If you always win against lesser competition, you will never improve or push yourself towards higher goals. If you do not have a board of directors or shareholders to scrutinise the company's practices, you will never know how effective the CEO is. In real life, it is difficult to have two approaches to a problem at the same time and assess which one is better. Similarly for government, our present system already makes it so difficult for a new political party to succeed. If we continue to have the mindset that the present government has always been propagating, we are forever taking the steps in the wrong direction.

I really do not believe that a single party dominating a country is the long term answer to our welfare or well-being. I do not think the oppositions are great or the present government is insipid. I just honestly believe a transparent and accountable system that has the required checks and balances is better for Singapore.

Anonymous said...

While I do not personally support physical means to make a point, I do understand how sometimes the ONLY way to make yourself heard and to register your point in a concrete manner is by physical means. We have already seen examples, like that of the labour mp being set on fire. While I sympathise with him as a human, I can help think whether he and his fellow politicians have not been asking for it for a long long time by the way they have acted and behaved for the party and subordinating their duty to the peolle they were in parliament to represent. The GRC system makes it even easier for the pap minnows to become even more remote towards their duty to the people. What the Italian prime minister just got a MOUTHFUL of is another timely remember - that if you push a dog into a cul de sac, it can turn around to bit you in expression of self defence and frustration. And I hope such physical examples will move those who are in politics for themselves to rethink their mercenary motives for entering politics and do a graceful about turn while there is time. You doing so too will help the ruling party to rethink/ponder upon its ethical and moral duties to the people of this country.

Anonymous said...

that's an erroneous argument. we do have checks and balances. few can hide from many pairs of prying eyes in the information age. despite having these "checks and balances" , there is certain thing you can't crack open means you can't.

it's naive to thing the opposition can do the job.

we need to change the whole game plan if we are going to satisfy a new breed of electorates!!!

Anonymous said...

I agreed that PAP must be denied a majority in parliament so as to facilitate a balance in policies implemented but the question is :

DO WE HAVE SUFFICIENT 'WAKE UP' VOTERS WHO WILL VOTE INTELLIGENTLY?

I am SHOCKED that they balantly LIED to us and TWISTED FACTS as read in news and speeches. THEY THINK WE SINGAPOREANS MUST BE FOOLS... Starting from a flat that costs you $600,000.00 is GOOD FOR YOU AND PRGOGRESS TOGETHER WITH THE NATION AS ECONOMY PROGRESS... THINK ABOUT IT.

Anonymous said...

PAP will not be voted out in this election but lets give them a CLEAR MESSAGE, A WAKE UP CALL.

A vote percentage of 48.88 is a good start... starting from AMK.

Anonymous said...

The answer : for check and balance.

It only takes an innocent decent child to incidentally point out words what smart adults sometimes think will be best kept secret.

A child need not be better or smarter than adults. It is in his nature to sometimes blurt out unexpectedly matters in contrary to what adults think.

The same answer still applies : for check and balance.

Anonymous said...

errrr.... where's the satire?

Anonymous said...

"despite having these "checks and balances" , there is certain thing you can't crack open means you can't.

it's naive to thing the opposition can do the job."

You need critical mass and it can be done. People who say that it cannot be done are usually afraid that it will be done.

And may I know why certain
thing needs to be cracked open in the first place. Why should anyone be so concerned if it is above board.

Anonymous said...

I think we should reserve our votes till we see who the oppositions and PAP deploys.

But on the other hand, we must not fully discard less sterling oppositions... make that a good start to the rise of a QUALITY OPPOSITION. MAKE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT OPPOSITION IN SINGAPORE IS A ZERO SUM AND THEY CONTRIBUTE A CHECKS AND BALANCES.

Anonymous said...

ABOVE CORRECTION:

NOT A ZERO SUM....

Anonymous said...

the gov has absolute power over certain matters and some of which are cast in stones. to change, you literally need to topple the entire cabinet which we know, not going to happen without getting ugly and causing chaos.

so the oppositions are talking rots.

Anonymous said...

Dear Idiots, Separatist and communist,

It doesnt matter who you vote because the majority will vote for the PAP. the only party that can continue Singapore prosperity.

Look at Cuba today, once boasting one of the higest GDP per capita as well as a huge income GAP. Communist took over, no more income Gap but look at the country today. Singapore will go down that road if the opppositon wiht their populist policies win.

say good bye to your wealth if any or chance of wealth.

The PAP will and must win and i will have my Krug champagne ready. i know they will keep my taxes low and my foreign worker quota open. Salut!

Anonymous said...

Let me say this to the people who say the opposition are not good enough.

The good of the country and its governance is your responsibility. Not your neighbours, not your foreign talents, not your Ministers responsibility. If the opposition is not good enough, if the govt is fucked up, its because we have not put enough effort into looking after our country. Because we have not supported the opposition, because we have not stood up to be counted when it matters.

Please do not expect a miricale of a fully functional opposition spriging from the ground to save your day. We have to build our own nation. If we fail, the responsibility is our own.

Anonymous said...

Are you the idiot the poster before you mentioned?

Anonymous said...

Yes Mr Lucky Singaporean.

I will take it seriously.
The problem is ... will YOU make YOURSELF available?
Will YOU stand for election.

I, Featherless Chicken, will vote for even for Ah Meng (yes I know she is dead) if she is in the opposition team.

The problem is losers like me only have ONE vote each.
Even Mr Ghost demands quality opposition.
Which we do NOT have in abundance.

Will YOU take the elections seriously or simply material for your blog?

Featherless Chicken

Anonymous said...

If we are still not able to change the govt (because we do not have another political strong enough to take over it),

If we are still not able to vote out the PAP (because the PAP is too entrenched and widespread in terms of holding power),

If we are still not willing to "rock the boat" (because of our own comfort zones),

Then the least we can do collectively is to change the PAP's leadership, i.e.

VOTE OUT THE FATHER AND THE SON!

Anonymous said...

"Will YOU take the elections seriously or simply material for your blog?

Featherless Chicken"

Not only you are featherless Chicken, you are also a Headless Chicken. Why should LuckyBama contest in election just because he write well ? I rather he write as Lucky Tan as he has the knack to inspire people.

As for featherless and headless chicken, do something about it.

Anonymous said...

I am looking forward to vote in the next election (hoping it'll be 2010), assuming no walkover. It will be my last duty as a born-and-bred citizen and to support my fellow Singaporeans, before I vote with my feet.

Agree with Anonymous at 15/12/09 23:46, no need to vote out the whole cabinet, just "VOTE OUT THE FATHER AND THE SON!" and the remaining PAP will come toppling down. Too bad I don't stay at their constituencies now.

Anonymous said...

PAP has been very effective with its message that opposition candidates are not "qualified" and that a vote for opposition may cause a change of government if they win enough seats.

On the first point, a person like Obama will never be elected in Singapore. PAP controls the press and the message. It is very difficult for an opposition to counter their message when they have no means.

On the second point, if enough people are concerned about potential change of government, they will vote to keep the status quo even if they don't like it.

It is going to be an uphill battle for oppositions and the cards are stacked against them. So you should not worry about the change of government if you vote for opposition. Further, the power-that-be has said that he will not allow freak election results to happen while he is alive.

Anonymous said...

To add-on, if cannot vote out both the father and the son, then just vote the son out will do. The father had pinned all his political hopes on this useless son, so better kick the son out before the grandson comes into the political arena.

The old man's other useless son got kicked out of the ex-national telco as CEO. Internet rumour has it that it was over some intrigued. Thus, it is unlikely that he can even step into the political arena.

Only the old man's daughter has potential, but rumours are that she refused to join the political arena. However, she had already been tasked to write beautiful, white-washed stories about the humane side of the old man and his family. Given her status in the healthcare industry, many in the healthcare line are ordered by their supervisors to read these stories (and to be influenced by the propaganda).

So to break the chain, just hammer at its weakest link. That is, the useless son whose pay is 6 times of that of USA's President Obama. Would you vote for change?

runroad said...

People, people, people - please! let's be realistic and get that crazy idea of voting out the PAP out of our heads. We are NOT going to be able to remove at a stroke an incumbent which has had 50 years to embed its tentacles into every single nook and cranny of Singapore society. If you think there's going to be the dawning of a new golden age in 2011 you're in denial or a sotong.

That sort of regime change only ever happens through people-power revolutions like Ayatollah Khomeni vs The Shah of Iran, Marcos vs Ramos in the Phillipines and nearer home, Suharto vs The People in Indonesia. It's almost certainly a fantasy here. Even if the fatal event happens before the election, PAP will almost certainly be our next government because old habits like old men die very hard.

Instead, we must concentrate with all our might on administering a short, sharp shock to the PAP juggernaut - the way the Malaysians did to their all-powerful, all-arrogant ruling party which used to behave in exactly the same God-like way as ours still does. BN walks much more humbly now that they've lost their two-thirds majority. Once the myth of invincibility is pierced the rest of the dominos fall into place with time. Our children's time because this is for their future as true-born Singaporeans who are rapidly becoming an endangered species.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The 2011 election is probably going to be your last chance to make a difference. If you blow it by listening to the agents here who are selling the old 'oppo-isn't-good-enough' line of solid BS then you're really and truly done for. That's because your voice and vote will be drowned in the 2016 election by an overwhelming tsunami of PRC New Singaporeans who want your place, your job, your very lifestyle. Ironically, you could indeed see your wives and daughters working as housemaids - in your own bloody country!

Already the foreign tide is beginning to devour the Singapore blue-collar working class, how much longer before it looks hungrily at you and yours? Do you believe your PM when he says FT imports will be reduced? Remember what happened to GST, utility bills, means tested medical care, ERP charges, public transport fares, etc. AFTER he was safely re-elected in 2006? They're already one-third of the population now and the stated target is 6.5 million...

Anon 22:09 is quite right: it is absolutely OUR responsibility to put our own house in order. We get the sort of governance we are willing to stand up and fight for. Don't expect Father Christmas in the form of the West to do it for us, that ain't gonna happen anytime soon. That means actively supporting the opposition NOW to make certain they have the resources to contest the election in your ward. If they don't, your precious vote is as good as wet toilet paper.

Anonymous said...

Some food for thoughts - an excerpt from a speech given by GE CEO Jeff Immelt at West Point on December 9:

“Last, leaders must like and respect people. I think we are at the end of a difficult generation of business leadership, andmaybe leadership in general. Tough-mindedness, a good trait – was replaced by meanness and greed – both terrible traits. Rewards became perverted. The richest people made the most mistakes with the least accountability. In too many situations, leaders divided us instead of bringing us together.

As a result, the bottom 25% of the American population is poorer than they were 25 years ago. That is just wrong.

I was recently at an event with some unemployed steel workers. Their stories are truly sad. They just want to work. They want to be led.

What is my responsibility? What will your responsibility be someday? Technically, nothing. Financially, nothing. We do not have to care. But we should.



At the same time, ethically, leaders do share a common responsibility to narrow the gap between the weak and the strong. I have taken on the challenge to increase manufacturing jobs in the United States. These are the jobs that have created the midwestern middle class for generations. Manufacturing jobs paid for college educations, including mine. They have been cut in half over the past two decades.

Many say this is a fool’s mission. I don’t have all the answers. What I can bring … what GE can bring … are investments, training and operating approaches to help everyone win.

The residue of the past was a more individualistic “win-lose” game. The 21st century is about building bigger and diverse teams; teams that accomplish tough missions with a culture of respect.”

Anonymous said...

yes, replace the father and son with jack neo and mark lee.

Anonymous said...

"Instead, we must concentrate with all our might on administering a short, sharp shock to the PAP juggernaut - the way the Malaysians did to their all-powerful, all-arrogant ruling party which used to behave in exactly the same God-like way as ours still does."

yes, i think the short, sharp, shock were well delivered by anwar's member.

Anonymous said...

"... she had already been tasked to write beautiful, white-washed stories about the humane side of the old man and his family"

My sentiments exactly. I always tell my children to watch out for people who say one thing and do another.

Claim all you want about the charms of a simple life - wtf does your family demand millions of dollars every year?

Salary of old man + brother 1 + brother 2 + brother in law + yourself????

Simple is as simple does.

Anonymous said...

elections must be really round the corner. There are so many more pap stooges down here. =)

Laugh...... in a way it is sort of sad.... They only bother abt us when elections coome

Anonymous said...

they will say the salary is incidental. it comes with the territory,

pt is, you can't change their salary without changing the territory.

lim said...

@anon 15/12/09 22:07

>> say good bye to your wealth if any or chance of wealth.


With our CPF being locked up longer and longer, I think we are saying bye bye to our wealth, no thanks to pap...


Actually, I don't understand why people are against checks and balance, competitions.

Look at NKF under Durai, the board obviously wasn't doing its job, effectively with durai calling all the shots, and look what happened to the donations? Out of $1 donated, how much goes to the patient?

So what checks and balances are there when hdb claimed $2bn lost? Should the accounting general or whoever be extremely worried if it is so?

What about the $400k spent renaming marina bay to marina bay? Is that money well spent?

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"Dear Idiots, Separatist and communist,

It doesnt matter who you vote because the majority will vote for the PAP. the only party that can continue Singapore prosperity." - Anon 15/12/09 22:07

There is no need for name-calling and extremist language.

If your view is BOTH shared by the majority of Singaporeans AND by the ruling party, then there is no reason for you to be an ANONYMOUS commenter.

You should have nothing to fear, but yet you do.

Care to explain why?

"The PAP will and must win and i will have my Krug champagne ready. i know they will keep my taxes low and my foreign worker quota open. Salut!"

Not sure what you mean by "MUST win". The election hasn't even started yet.

Do you mean that they MUST win for your sake? And for the benefit of all your friends?

That's OK, but the last time I checked, you only get one vote per person.

Lim said: "@anon 15/12/09 22:07

>> say good bye to your wealth if any or chance of wealth.

With our CPF being locked up longer and longer, I think we are saying bye bye to our wealth, no thanks to pap..."

Lim, I think that Anon 22:07 really meant "say good bye to MY wealth" instead of "YOUR wealth", since the vast majority of us don't celebrate election results with champagne.

Anonymous said...

Speaking about Durai and NKF really infuriates me. I have heard stories about NKF way before the scandal occurred. People then were complaining about fees charged by NKF as compared to other charity organisations. Then I attented a course where a professor in philosophy revealed that if the scandal did not escalate to the levels it reached, the government had the decency to hold NKF as the role-model for all charitable organisations.

The point is that true intentions and objectives are very important and they are ruled by human's emotions, background influences, values and moral inclinations. It is a complex concoction of inner 'pushes' that dictate how we behave.

The professor was playing the devil's advocate. From a pragmatic perspective, what is wrong with able to garner 100 million dollars donations and only delivering 10 million dollars to the less fortunate. A small puny charity can only get 100 000 dollars donations and give 90 000 to the people. Who is more effective and who helps to contribute more. This was exactly how NKF worked and their philosopy on charity. They see no wrong in their doings and basically, it is the ends justify the means.

Do you think nobody knows how they think and operated? It has been going on for some time and people on the ground knows. However, people who are employed in the organisation did not do anything about it and people in the top management can justify their actions based on the amount they can collect. However, intrinsically, we know that morally, it just feels that something is not quite right...

It was then that I realised why Mrs So So could say it was peanuts and the way they are behaving. I shudder to think what would be consequences if NKF continues like that and give more reasons for the government to use it as a role-model of charitable organisations.

To summarise, I think their behaviors stem from a lack of check and balance in the system and self-inflated beliefs in their capabilities and performances. I see many parallels in many areas in Singapore and definitely, there are already symptons of a disease within the society.

Anonymous said...

When the PAP government's majority is reduced in the coming election, then Singaporean will see a change in the way poilcies are implemented for the better. The ruling power cannot afford to hoodwink Singaporean any further, because in subsequent elections they may be voted out.

lim said...

@16/12/09 12:39

I think old NKF was pretty much modelled after the way pap works..

Board approves salaries, just like parliament..

Board didn't check on CEO, just like pap-majority parliament..

So the only thing that they can find to convict durai was just a fake invoice submitted by him..

Anonymous said...

Great empires like rome,Tang,british,ottoman etc. have come and gone.

History shows that no institution even religion can remain standing if it sinks into complacency and over-expansion.

PAP will not be different.

Though opposition don't have enough minority candidates to compete, a victory in one GRC will scare the hell out of PAP.opposition will then be able to attract more and better candidates to compete in future elections so as to give PAP a run of their money.

Towkay said...

Please folks, vote for the PAP. They are the only ones who can fulfil your dreams!

Look at me, only diploma holder, but doing well in foreign staff recruitment business, bringing in lots of foreign talents, earning big money. If not for PAP's liberal immigration policy, I wouldn't have succeeded.

And with money, you can enjoy the best of the best luxuries that our great government has provided. Like living in great condos, watching F1 races, relaxing at Sentosa resorts, and playing at coming soon IR.

I no have shame in saying I will definitely vote for PAP, they are the only ones who can help me in my next project - bring in cheap African labour (salary $100 a month).

Anonymous said...

towkay,

you should be sg mascot.

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"Do you think nobody knows how they think and operated? It has been going on for some time and people on the ground knows. However, people who are employed in the organisation did not do anything about it and people in the top management can justify their actions based on the amount they can collect. However, intrinsically, we know that morally, it just feels that something is not quite right..."

What feels wrong is "trickle-down economics", where there is an inherent assumption that if you make the wealthy class much wealthier, then they will provide some benefits for ordinary people as well.

However, this assumption is clearly false if there is a much higher marginal propensity to save in that wealthy class, especially in Asian societies.

Since the rich are more acutely aware that the power of money does not lie in what it has bought, but what it can potentially buy, they are big savers.

Worse, there is fierce competition among the rich and this social pressure locks them into a vicious cycle of hoarding more and more money.

We can see this in the USA where the big banks are reluctant to lend out money even though they have been injected with billions of TARP funds. They would rather make more money for themselves or even sit on the money instead of helping small businesses and individuals tide through this recession.

To me, the most preposterous thing about the NKF debacle was the fact that a charity saw it appropriate to accumulate over $260 million dollars in reserves - and still not enough! With so much money on their hands, it is easier to justify Durai's pay, which looks like a small amount in comparison with its vast reserves.

What is the function of a charity?

What is the function of a government?

Using a corporate structure as a role-model for other types of organizations is a bad practice.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to become rich, but only corporations should be corporations.

Otherwise, you might end up having organizations where the leadership accumulate most of the benefit themselves, provide no trickle-down benefits to others, or worse, benefit at the expense of others.

Anonymous said...

"Otherwise, you might end up having organizations where the leadership accumulate most of the benefit themselves, provide no trickle-down benefits to others, or worse, benefit at the expense of others."

We are a Christian nation, aren't we?

Anonymous said...

"To me, the most preposterous thing about the NKF debacle was the fact that a charity saw it appropriate to accumulate over $260 million dollars in reserves - and still not enough! With so much money on their hands, it is easier to justify Durai's pay, which looks like a small amount in comparison with its vast reserves."

It's called church.

Anonymous said...

Dear all,

i am the krug champagne guy. All the discussions is futile. Let me reiterate! PAP will win! and whether you like it or not, you will benefit from it.

I am sure our income tax will go the way of HK to 16%, Corporate tax to 18%.

All that small increase in GST, public healthcare, transport and so on is small change compared to the savings you get from paying less income tax.

Now all we need to do is to redraw the election boundary to minimize the noisemaker oppositions. i say give them all the problematic estate like whampoa where all the poor trouble makers reside. they will have so much problem running their estate that it will make all the opposition looks like incapapable cheats.

Lets get the election over with and we can all make money for another 4 years! Hoorah

Anonymous said...

$$$Lets get the election over with and we can all make money for another 4 years! Hoorah$$$

you are predicting someone will lasts another 4 years or have 4 years of life remaining?

Anonymous said...

Only the old man's daughter has potential, but rumours are that she refused to join the political arena. However, she had already been tasked to write beautiful, white-washed stories about the humane side of the old man and his family. Given her status in the healthcare industry, many in the healthcare line are ordered by their supervisors to read these stories (and to be influenced by the propaganda).



LUCKY I AM ONLY A LESSER MORTAL. I CAN CHOOSE THE PERSON I LIKE,THINGS TO SAY THINGS, ALMOST TOTAL PERSONAL FREEDOM. COMPARED TO THEM, I AM LUCKY. I ONLY HAVE MUCH MUCH LESS MONEY THAT'S ALL.

Anonymous said...

I think only way PAP can win this election is to up our wealth like a 3 rm flat COV to be $500,000.00. EVERY OLD FOLKS WILL BE SO HAPPY AND VOTE THEM.

They will be so grateful that PAP has increase their wealth net worth. hahaha

and this is also the NEW ECONOMY MODEL and up GDP of the country.

I am so impatient... up the COV now and we will be NO 1 in term of GDP in the WORLD!!!

Anonymous said...

Anon 19:40

"I think only way PAP can win this election is to up our wealth like a 3 rm flat COV to be $500,000.00. EVERY OLD FOLKS WILL BE SO HAPPY AND VOTE THEM."

If only old folks, or anyone else, can eat and live on bricks and concrete!

Hahaha

Anonymous said...

I brought my son to cut his hair today. There was this Malay barber shop that we used to go previously, but today I decided to check out a new one. This shop was offering $6 hair cut, compared to the Malay's $8. The place looked sparsely furnished and was run by two Chinese nationals.

I knew I could afford the $2 difference, but I saw no reason why I should correct the consequence of a liberal foreign labour policy.

As we were walking past, I saw the barber peer out at us from the glass door. I wanted to tell him, "Don't blame us. We hadn't voted for the clowns who opened the floodgates to your competitors". I felt somewhat sad that I had decided not to help these ordinary Singaporeans, but I think that's necessary to wake up their ideas.

Vote for change. It's later than you think.

Anonymous said...

I agree with lucky for all of the above except for the last para. being pragmatists, sporeans are less likely to be swayed by emotions than by self interests. and pap knows this very well, by inventing stories that your mothers and daughters will be maids, or simply by threatening not to upgrade your flats. sad to say most sporeans do not see beyond their own interests.

Anonymous said...

//
We are a Christian nation, aren't we?
//

No. LKY is darwinist atheist.
Therefore we are a atheist nation.
In case u have not noticed, Christians are getting whacked left right centre and the gahmen is laying the red carpet for gays.

Btw, how many readers have been inspired by LuckyBama to run for elections?

Mr Ghost?
Mr Skeptic?
Mr Lee Leng Hiong?

Featherless Chicken

Anonymous said...

//
I am sure our income tax will go the way of HK to 16%, Corporate tax to 18%.
//

Sadly could be zero and we/I will still not benefit if we do NOT have a job.

$$$Lets get the election over with and we can all make money for another 4 years! Hoorah$$$

LKY looks like he is really becoming immortal.

Featherless Chicken

'Mat said...

"VOTE OUT THE FATHER AND THE SON!"

AND THE unHOLY GHOST.....with reference to HIS joke about rising from HIS grave.

Anonymous said...

I don't vote for people who willingly served the Kempeitai to screw our war heroes.

I don't vote for politicians put only their close relatives in charge of all the sensitive, key positions of Singapore's govt.

I don't vote for politicians who rely on a compliant judiciary to win law-suits.

I don't vote for politicians who openly have no regard for the welfare of their own citizens.

I don't vote for politicians who make citizen serve NS and take bank loans for their uni fees, while thousands of foreigners get free scholarships to study in our local universities.

I don't vote for politicians who have a track record of surrendering and serving foreign invaders, instead of fighting to the end. Am I suppose to die for such a politician, or should I also surrender and serve as their intepreter for their war efforts?

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"Mr Ghost?
Mr Skeptic?
Mr Lee Leng Hiong?"

Lim.

Not everybody's Ah Kong is Lee.

lim said...

>> I am sure our income tax will go the way of HK to 16%, Corporate tax to 18%.

Well HK don't have 7% GST, and I think it will go up after GE, unless opposition can form next government..

I think HK don't have water conservation tax, and I think we might see a new energy conservation tax after GE, unless opposition can form next government..

Do you know we are paying GST on top of water conservation tax, and petrol tax?

Anonymous said...

Ah lim

Do u know u also pay taxes on your toilet bowl that contributes Newater?


Apologies Mr Lim Leng Hiong

Hope to see you in the next election.

Featherless Chicken

Anonymous said...

This is a game designed by those in power. Those who play the game properly will be duly rewarded, regardless of which team you represent.

Those people who do not play the game properly will be eliminated using whatever means possible. Their teams will not be spared.

This game has repeatedly produced the same result. It reminds of the military and civil service's way of doing things. Tackle the problem using the same method repeatedly and hope the result changes. Waste of time. It's time to come up with your own game.

Anonymous said...

I will vote for PAP because I don't really care what happens to Singapore. Looking at the party's recent track record and disappointing leadership, I am pretty sure Singapore can only become worse if we vote for PAP. I won't know what happens if I vote for the opposition, but I am pretty sure voting for PAP can only make matters worse.

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amanda said...

Well said, I shared the same confidence man. I'll be 40 this coming yr & I have NEVER held a voting-sheet in my fingers ever b4. Just b'cos we're staying in private estates we were automatically cropped into walk-over! Damn.
How FAIR is it all this yearsss???