Thursday, December 24, 2009

New reason for FTs : S'poreans have become less hard-driving and hard-striving

“Over time, Singaporeans have become less hard-driving and hard-striving. This is why it is a good thing that the nation has welcomed so many Chinese immigrants"
- MM Lee, National Geographic, The Singapore Solution, Jan 2010[Link]
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Gee, we were told they were here to create jobs for Singaporeans[Link] and we should be thankful. Then we were told they were here because of the low fertility rate. Long time ago we were told they were needed for skills that didn't exist in Singapore. We were also told they are here for jobs Singaporeans did not want.
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Now we are told they are here because Singaporeans are now too lazy for Singapore Inc. Yes, years of good life and pampering by the PAP govt has turned us into softies unable to compete in this globalised economy. Strange isn't it? If these hardworking and hard striving Chinese immigrants are so productive why has our productivity fallen as their numbers rise?
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To the elitist PAP govt, the ordinary Singaporean is never good enough. The 70 yr old who has to clean tables at the Bedok Hawker Center for a living does not strive hard enough. The mother with 2 disabled kids did not strive hard enough to look for a job to support her family. The Singapore workforce ranked no. 1 for over a decade was not hard driving enough for the PAP. Only people who does any real work in Singapore is the PAP govt that is why their ministers deserve to make in one day what some of the workers earn in a year.
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" If native Singaporeans are falling behind because "the spurs are not stuck into the hide," that is their problem" - MM Lee
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This explains why the blame is always put on Singaporeans for almost every problem faced by our society. You find it hard to afford a HDB flat - that is because you didn't strive hard enough. You struggle to raise your family, pay the ever-increasing bills for electricity & transport and find it hard to cope with the unstable job market - you didn't strive hard enough.
You recall what Wee Shu Min once said:
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"i should think not. dear derek is one of many wretched, undermotivated, overassuming leeches in our country, and in this world. one of those who would prefer to be unemployed and wax lyrical about how his myriad talents are being abandoned for the foreigner's, instead of earning a decent, stable living as a sales assistant. it's not even about being a road sweeper. these shitbags don't want anything without "manager" and a name card.
please, get out of my elite uncaring face."
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....and her father is president of the defense business section ST Engineering which is fed mainly by our defense budget i.e. taxpayer's money. The PAP elites likes to talk about the ordinary Singaporeans not working hard enough and not being able to compete. However, the PAP itself shuns competition preferring to tweak the laws to retain their monopolistic powers. The PAP men like to work in state own monopolies for ridiculously high salaries and from their ivory towers command the ordinary Singaporean to be cheaper, better and faster. We take the overcrowded buses and MRT so that their transport companies can make money, we live in small overpriced public housing (the most expensive in the world), we pay the 2nd highest electricity tariffs in the world and we pay the highest salaries in the world for those PAP ministers...if there is one reason Singapore is not competitive it is because there are leeches sucking the blood of ordinary Singaporeans.

52 comments:

Anonymous said...

Guess 2009 is not only going to be remembered for the recession but also for stupid and demeaning comments from the emperor...either he is getting senile or he really despises his own subject all these years.
Singaporeans to him are a bunch of untalented people except those that reside under his armpit and bunghole of course...

Merry Christmas Lucky...

http://vonhayek.blogspot.com/ said...

PAP can no longer continue FT policy in current form.

We already have 6% unemployment and if the immigration can only brought more unemployment that new citizen also eventually will be angered to toss out PAP.

I believe PAP now tries to convert existing PR to citizen, by widdening the social service between PR and citizen.

PAPs are really a bunch of shit.

Anonymous said...

Don't listen to his crap. Singaporeans are slaving away even harder than before. the only Singaporeans that are less hard-dricing and hard-striving are the PAP. When was the last time they solve any of your problems? Apart from creating new problems for you, a typical reply (let's all chorus together) "it is affordable, it is your problem, you go in with your eye big big, let's move on, freak weather occurs only once in 50 years! "

Anonymous said...

Oh…. It seems we locals are now like the MANCHUS in the Qing Dynasty. The Emperor $ Long is concerned that the EIGHT Banner Mans are getting addicted to OPIUM (GAMBLING) and going to TEAHOUSES daily (LAZY not looking for a job but ‘hanging’ at Kopi shops). Gee they have even forgotten how to ride a horse now. (dismal MANDARIN)

Very soon we may have GREEN BANNER Soldiers. (foreign soldier and mercenary).

Solution: Fully open the floodgate to the world (non isolation policy). Then we can still be NO 1 for a hundred years…

We can learn so much from history…

Anonymous said...

We should vote out LKY and all his PAP cronies, juz to ensure that the spurs are in their sides.

When was the last time anyone associated PAP with honesty and hard work?

And please, don't quote Shitty Times. Everyone knows that they are only a propaganda machine.

Lim Leng Hiong said...

Wow... ha ha... MM Lee has been saying some incredible things lately.

"Oh…. It seems we locals are now like the MANCHUS in the Qing Dynasty. The Emperor $ Long is concerned that the EIGHT Banner Mans are getting addicted to OPIUM (GAMBLING) and going to TEAHOUSES daily (LAZY not looking for a job but ‘hanging’ at Kopi shops). Gee they have even forgotten how to ride a horse now. (dismal MANDARIN)" - Anon 24/12/09 21:55

少来胡说八道啦,怎么爱开后门,当心八国联军请你喝咖啡。

I am NOT going to translate that.

Anonymous said...

I believed some parts of what MM said...

A Nation fails always because of internal ROT first - could be the ruling party.

But our youth really leave much to be desired.

singapore news alternative said...

Dear lucky singaporean,

You link to National Geographic leads to the main page. Try this link which shows the full article in print mode:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/print/2010/01/singapore/jacobson-text

Anonymous said...

Wah, steady man, MM Lee. By saying such things, he seemed not worried at all on its effect on the outcome at the next election.

MM Lee may be wrong on some or many things. But he seems never wrong on one thing - at least 98% seats for PAP at every election. And for 44 years man!

sgcynic said...

I have and will be digging my spurs into the thick hide of the PAP ultra-white horses.

Onlooker said...

and there we have it LKK silLEE Larmackian theory of evolution.

More proof of senility.

What to do? Senile happened......

Methink it is his last ditch effort to chase off singaporean who actually cares about our society that does not owe him anything. after all isn't him compensated with a redundant position in his senile years.

And does his statement also mean that the Japanese have grown soft too.There are a few people who might withdraw out of our island because they will be offended by his words unless that is his intention all along.Then it warrant that the change that is required have to occur sooner.

Merry Xmas Lucky :)

Anonymous said...

It's amazing that over the years, LKY has repeatedly commented on Singaporeans with outright contempt, yet Singaporeans continue to vote for his government.

Ender said...

" If native Singaporeans are falling behind because "the spurs are not stuck into the hide," that is their problem" - MM Lee

It is quite revealing that MM Lee compares native Singaporeans to animals. Who are the drivers and riders of these animals then? HIM? THEM? It feels like animal farm all over again.

Would MM Lee and the rest of the sheltered ministers and civil servants care to step into the private sector to show native Singaporeans that they can hold their own in the hyper competitive environment that they have helped to create?

More often than not, they will find themselves out of the natural protective environment in government service and struggle to make a living and earning remuneration which is below their public service pay.

Would MM Lee care to elaborate which of our ex-ministers or high flying civil servants have made it in the private sector?

Have our GLCs fared competitively with similar companies in the rest of the world? If these companies were in the private sector, they would have been downsized or absorbed into larger entities for poor performance.

The people running them would have been long downsized long ago if not for the support from the government and the subsidies and long bred apathy by the citizens. Today these same non-competitive people who feel that they deserved their high pay failed to realise that it is through the patronage system that they are there.

Yes we citizens have been subsidising these monopolistic GLCs. For if there were freer market competition for provision of services, citizens would have enjoyed lower rates than what is being paid now.

The spectacular failures of the overseas ventures by these GLCs have been offset by the supernormal profits earned locally from the citizens.

The comment by MM is most disrespectful to Singaporeans and it deprecates the support from the hard working citizens for our nation's interests.

Ender

WingLeeCheong said...

MM Lee seem to forget that all these less hard-driving Singaporeans were brought up during his one-party reign. Is MM Lee admitting that he has failed badly as a teacher and mentor that resulted in the present predicament????
PAP has constantly bragged about having 1st class education, 1st class working population, 1st class health care, etc. Are all these government propaganda and BS????
How about adding 1st class lazy population to their list???

Clear eyed said...

"if there is one reason Singapore is not competitive it is because there are leeches sucking the blood of ordinary Singaporeans"

The ordinary Singaporeans should see the leeches for what they are -wolves dressed as sheep - and throw them out before we are sucked dry. The leeches are growing in number and in greed. The time to throw them out is NOW before it is too late.

Anonymous said...

Each time I saw his face, I think of Ris Low, who said the hokkien foulword "KNNBCCB" in style.

I know I am a little sick. But that seems to be my only solace.

Towkay said...

Again MM Lee has spoken wisdom. What he said about Singaporeans are true.

If not can someone explain why Singaporeans sold their votes to PAP for a few hundred dollars and promises of estate upgrading? I think many Singaporeans are simply shaking legs at home, that's why they need the few hundred dollars and a nice estate (since they spend so much time at home).

As a Towkay, I look down on Singaporeans like our leaders. Not only are Singaporeans lazy, they also have little integrity...selling their votes for a few hundred dollars. Stupid also because the money they received must come from somewhere, definitely not from Towkays' pockets. So guess from where? Hahaha. And estate upgrading uses funds from town council, funds that are accumulated from the monthly fees residents pay. So Singaporeans are actually grateful that they are allowed to use their own money?

No wonder our leaders deem it necessary to import foreigners to improve quality of our people.

Anonymous said...

Old fart knows Singaporeans are his enemy (except for a handful of lackeys and a*se rimmers). Here he is doing what he does best, divide and conquer. Except this time its between foreigners and Singaporeans.

He's doing it by rubbishing Singaporeans as laid back and unambitious (sure, we have a fair share of bums in SG) while trying to score election points with the foreigners/PRs by praising them as hardworking (likewise its only a handful, many are conniving, plain lazy or unintelligent).

Soon we will be seeing arse wipes like Amit Nagpal or some typical malaysian PR (like Malaysian PR whiner Teo Kheam How) writing to PAP's mainstream media with elevated self importance demanding even more rights as PR.

thick hide said...

"if native Sporeans are falling behind because the spurs are not stuck into the hide, that is their problem".
what utter nonsense from old fart!
when it should be his bunch of stooges that deserve the spurs stuck into the hide, starting with the spineless son and shameless daughter-in-law.

Alfred said...

quote from the National Geo article
- "Singapore can be a disconcerting place, even to the people who call it home, though they'd never think of leaving. As one local put it, "Singapore is like a warm bath. You sink in, slit your wrists, your lifeblood floats away, but hey, it's warm."

Anonymous said...

Singaporeans deserved to be scolded by the old fart.

Singaporeans knowingly voted for a govt that will not take care of them, that will mercilessly cut them down the moment things go wrong, that squandered away the reserves.


If I was the old fart, i would be insulting singaporeans too. Treat them so badly, they still vote for you.

Singaporeans get the govt they deserve.

Anonymous said...

the old man is correct. singaporeans are lazy and less hard driving. To prove my point, this same group of singaporeans continue to vote for the same party election after election. If Singaporeans have the testicular fortitude to face the future without the PAP, willing to be hard striving, they would have voted out the party long ago. Why vote PAP? simple, you want the comfortable life, you want to work less. The fact that PAP has been around for ages is proof in itself that the old man is correct.

Anonymous said...

Wow..., we are getting a sizeable collection of self-contradictory and sometimes freudian PAP quotes.

The Opposition should start churning out huge banners with the best pick of the lot like these MM quotes in Lucky's article today and other one-liners like LSL(GST helps the poor/FT creates jobs),MBT(HDB flats are still affordable),LSS(Every month, when I receive my CPF statement, I feel so rich), WSM(get out of my elite uncaring face + WSK's response) etc
..just pick the best self-explanatory ones and unfurl them during election time. No need to explain...just quote. Make sure it is firmly etched in the public's mind. Even that one day cooling off makes no diff.

Anonymous said...

Singaporeans will vote in the PAP during the next election. That is the foregone conclusion. I am willing to bet every cent I have that the PAP will gain majority seats in the new parliament. With a majority, business will be as usual. Whatever the PAP wants, PAP gets. This is especially true in the current parliament. The 2 opposition candidates have been virtually voiceless and have their hands tied behind their back. Say you have another 10 oppositions in the next parliament, is it going to make a difference? I doubt it. Well, maybe another 5 more GE, things might be different. By then, few of us will be around anyway. I pity those who will be holding the pail of shit then.

Anonymous said...

Singaporeans are lazy and self-satisfied idiots and deserve the tongue-lashing by our esteemed MM. Go to other countries and see how they lead their lives. Undrinkable water, frequent disruptions of electrcity, dirty streets, beggars everywhere, no proper drainage, flies and mosquitos everywhere. Crimes and untold horrors reported everyday etc.

Yes, we need to change our mindset and strive to earn our stripes. His remarks should be seen as an encouragement and not taken to the other extreme. Swallow the bitter pill for you know you deserve it. Life is not all about you so take it like a man and analyse what he said. Yes, vote them out if you must but beware that the next government may be worse. Politics is such that whoever rules will abuse their powers, no matter what they promise today. It is a concrete jungle and survival of the fittest. Singapore as a city state may not survive 50 years from today. think about it.

Anonymous said...

LKY is finished, period.

Anonymous said...

To anon 25/12/09 25/12/09 11:18 on

'Yes, vote them out if you must but beware that the next government may be worse. Politics is such that whoever rules will abuse their powers, no matter what they promise today.'

The people should be the ones dictating who will be the next government, not the other way, i.e. the lky regime dictating who will be singaporeans, which in the latter will only to dictatorship and eventual downfall.

Please don't create hypothetical useless scares that the cronies of the lky regime are repeating like robots. Singaporeans are mature enough to say enough is enough to the lky regime.

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"Singaporeans are lazy and self-satisfied idiots and deserve the tongue-lashing by our esteemed MM. Go to other countries and see how they lead their lives. Undrinkable water, frequent disruptions of electrcity, dirty streets, beggars everywhere, no proper drainage, flies and mosquitos everywhere. Crimes and untold horrors reported everyday etc." - Anon 25/12/09 11:18

Go to which other country? Of course you won't compare with Japan or most other developed nations, right?

Yet another anonymous government supporter saying exactly the same points over and over again, hoping that repeating something often enough will MAKE it true.

That may or may not work, but it definitely has become very tiresome.

"Yes, we need to change our mindset and strive to earn our stripes. His remarks should be seen as an encouragement and not taken to the other extreme. Swallow the bitter pill for you know you deserve it. Life is not all about you so take it like a man and analyse what he said."

I agree that a mindset change is necessary.

But I think Singaporeans are already rather hard-driving and hard-striving.

What I am uncertain about is whether our current government can actually handle a more hard-driving and hard-striving population, especially when they inadvertently unite Singaporeans with a singular resolve.

"Yes, vote them out if you must but beware that the next government may be worse. Politics is such that whoever rules will abuse their powers, no matter what they promise today. It is a concrete jungle and survival of the fittest. Singapore as a city state may not survive 50 years from today. think about it."

The next government may be worse, but it may also be better.

Sometimes politicians abuse their power, but sometimes they don't.

The "fittest", if defined as the most self-centred, competitive and ruthless individuals, may survive but they may not.

The future is full of uncertainties; Kings of today can become Paupers of tomorrow.

So those people who have been driving hard and striving hard to create bitter pills for other people to swallow shouldn't be too surprised if they have to take their own pills one day.

A better future said...

MM Lee had got it spot on for this one. Singaporeans are the most over demanding and least motivated workforce in the world.

Everybody vote should be adjusted based on their networth. if your networth as verified is 250k or less, you get 1 vote.

bankrupt and people with less than 5 O levels do not get to vote.

your amount of vote will increase as your net worth go up in blocks of 250k. if you are worth 2.5million, you get 10 votes.

this is true democracy. bigger stakeholders should have a bigger say. Just like the corporate world. the more shares you have, the more voting power you have. i am sure with such a system, the benefits of all people will be propery represented.

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"your amount of vote will increase as your net worth go up in blocks of 250k. if you are worth 2.5million, you get 10 votes."

Ha ha ha... brilliant satire! That reminds me of this skit in Blackadder -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJsNd0NP_0U

Kojakbt said...

Merry Christmas to all!

Anonymous said...

To: A Better Future

You mean the bankrupted and the poor has no say in their future? In other words they should be treated no better than dogs, just because of their circumstances which may or may not be fault of theirs. Being wealthy does not necessarily mean these people are smart. Do not measure or judge people by using wealth as a measure of a person's worth. To say this is true democracy is utter rubbish.

Kojakbt said...

> Over time, the MM says, Singaporeans have become "less hard-driving and hard-striving." This is why it is a good thing, the MM says, that the nation has welcomed so many Chinese immigrants (25 percent of the population is now foreign-born).

MM actually hoped that we are less hard-working so that he can recruit as many PRCs as he wants? What kind of Govt is this? Are we voting in a Govt that works against our own people?

> He is aware that many Singaporeans are unhappy with the influx of immigrants, especially those educated newcomers prepared to fight for higher paying jobs. But taking a typically Darwinian stance, the MM describes the country's new subjects as "hungry," with parents who "pushed the children very hard." If native Singaporeans are falling behind because "the spurs are not stuck into the hide," that is their problem.

Many of the FTs coming here to work are not exactly the "talented" sort. They are here cause they are cheaper to hire!

So, in other words, MM rather wants to see Singaporeans die for their inability to compete with the cheap FTs?

Anonymous said...

It seems to me the Old Fart is insulting the Malays in Singapore.

He banned them from carrying GPMG and commanding tanks in the SAF.

This is an Insult. I am a local Chinese Singaporean who will lend a hand foremost to my Malay Singaporean than to a new fucking Chinese immigrant.
Time to take up arm against the Old Fart and his fucking crony.

Anonymous said...

To: Lim Leng Hiong

"Yet another anonymous government supporter saying exactly the same points over and over again, hoping that repeating something often enough will MAKE it true."

Think and decide whether voting them out is that easy given that,
- Is there a credible opposition that can take over the reins of governing Singapore?
- With such disparate agendas and not one leader charismatic enough to unite the opposition parties, how can they garner enough support?
- I see no such party working hard trying to win over more members,
- Singaporeans as a whole are politically immatured and disinterested, nor are they sufficiently motivated, so can the opposition persuade them to vote them in?
- etc

So, your point is pretty moot. A simple catchphrase "vote them out" is what many others too has been saying. I am of the view that no opposition as of today is ready nor capable of running this nation. They simply do not have the numbers nor the members with the proper credentials, period.

Labelling someone offering alternative views as a government supporter seems to be the norm in blogs and forums. I guess you are one of those that is fond of tagging those whose views differs from yours.

Anonymous said...

"if there is one reason Singapore is not competitive it is because there are leeches sucking the blood of ordinary Singaporeans."

Hi Lucky,

You have written out precisely my sentiments. Compare how a real 1st world country values its citizens and workers vs this fake "1st world" Singapore.

My friend got 6+ months advance notice of his retrenchment. He is writing proposals for his company to assist in his new directions after his retrenchment. Otherwise, the company is obligated to offer their premises/services/support for (6 months to 1 year) for the retrenched workers to look for another job. This is the power of labour laws supported by the union in France.

Compare to Singapore's case. My friends in the Singapore financial industry are given a "generous" advance notice of 3 months for their impending retrenchment. Thereafter is "you die your business". This is Singapore's "1st world" standard.

Who's the less hard-driving and hard-striving pigs? Clue: They like to dress in white.

Well, I am going to de-leech myself. I will vote against PAP this election, regardless of whatever carrots or sticks dangled. Then I will become PR (eventually citizen) in a real 1st world country, ha ha.

Lim Leng Hiong said...

Anon 26/12/09 00:11 said: "Think and decide whether voting them out is that easy given that... So, your point is pretty moot."

No it isn't.

I was talking about your choice of countries to compare with; you suddenly changed the subject to the quality of the opposition parties.

"A simple catchphrase "vote them out" is what many others too has been saying."

Have I ever used the catchphrase "vote them out"? You can check all of my previous comments in this blog.

"Labelling someone offering alternative views as a government supporter seems to be the norm in blogs and forums. I guess you are one of those that is fond of tagging those whose views differs from yours."

The phrase "Singaporeans are lazy and self-satisfied idiots and deserve the tongue-lashing by our esteemed MM" doesn't sound like a neutral perspective to me.

"Swallow the bitter pill for you know you deserve it" also doesn't sound particularly alternative, unless your definition of "alternative view" is to have a view that practically the same as an anonymous government supporter.

You can choose not to be anonymous. It's up to you.

Anonymous said...

i hope singaporeans can take up the old man's advice: stick spurs into the hide of pap by voting in some grcs.

pap has certainly become less hard-driving and hard-striving for our good.

Anonymous said...

As before, MM is trying to ''spur" Singaporeans forward. But difference this time is that it hit a raw nerve, during a time when Singaporeans are facing competition from foreigners in terms of employment, survival, cost of living, HDB prices, bread and butter issues etc etc.

Anonymous said...

TALK COCK SING SONG!

Anonymous said...

This is a vicious man who proudly admits to doing no work and yet pockets millions.

Anonymous said...

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My friends in the Singapore financial industry are given a "generous" advance notice of 3 months for their impending retrenchment. Thereafter is "you die your business". This is Singapore's "1st world" standard.
//

Eh .. in SG, for Banks retrenchment is usually immediate.
As in barely enough time to pack.

Anonymous said...

MM and his mistresses should be replaced by more capable FTs from Europe so that we can become first class.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 26/12/09 16:29 wrote,

"Eh .. in SG, for Banks retrenchment is usually immediate. As in barely enough time to pack.

Yes, you are right. That's why "3 months" is supposedly "generous" by Singapore standards, but that is only for those who are back-office non-external-customer-facing staff.

Reply from Anonymous at 26/12/09 01:10.

Anonymous said...

Frankly, we must really begin to learn how to put more spurs into their own hide lest we are treated like animals to be worked to death because they do not care much about buying spurs from foreign lands.

The exercise has to begin now as the siren has come from the horse mouth. Remember hard, that is your problem.

Anonymous said...

"Politics is such that whoever rules will abuse their powers"

If it is so, at least it gets circulated so that whatever benefits gained by the abuser does not stay with the same person for disportionately long.

However, the purpose is to ensure fair play but not to encourage abuse.

"no matter what they promise today. It is a concrete jungle and survival of the fittest."


Survival of the fittest may also mean that we should not sit back and let the same fittest party run roughshod over us.

We should also try to stay fit ourselves & fight for the right for our turn.

Anonymous said...

"Life is not all about you so take it like a man and analyse what he said."

About you ?

Take it like a man ? Why not you let us kick your hide with our spurs. I do not think you are man enough if you just sit still and not react at all - and let others do it.

We do not only analyse what people say, we also analyse what people DO.

Anonymous said...

Yes, whine and bitch all you can because you are all helpless. You need spurs up your thick hides to get off the armchair and do something positive for a change. Do not expect others to pick up the cudgels and fight for what you guys want. You want change? Then do it.

Clear eyed said...

On the contrary, Singaporeans' greatest problem is that the spurs are not stuck into the thick hide of our blood-sucking leeches. This has resulted in complacency, arrogance, incompetence, bloated egos and sense of entitlement of those who rule over us.

Anonymous said...

We are a bunch of stupid animals. Thats the conclusion after 44 years. We deserve to be treated as such. As in animal farm, Napolean and his pigs will rule for ever. We also had the dogs (old guards)but now the pack of dogs have grown so huge because they are well fed by the pigs and the puppies are all assured of a good future. The pigs and the dogs will rule for ever.

Anonymous said...

Lets kick their fat bums out of parliament this election!

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