Friday, January 29, 2010

On Transport Again....

My posting on 24 Jan 2010 about the transport system and Goh Meng Seng's analysis of the ridership/capacity figures drew a lively discussion in the comments section - 100+ comments. Some suggested there were other reasons for overcrowding on the trains such as the taxi fare hike that cause taxi riders like myself to switch to the MRT - this may be a contributing factor however the total # of taxis in Singapore is 20+ thousand compared with the roughly 150K population increase per year. Without finer statistics, people can keep on arguing about obscure possibilities and improbable realities.

I suggest people who want to debate about this further can also do it with MM Lee because he said essentially the same thing as Goh Meng Seng:
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We’ve grown in the last five years by just importing labour. Now, the people feel uncomfortable, there are too many foreigners. Trains are overcrowded with foreigners, buses too, property prices have gone up because foreigners with permanent residence are buying into the market. ”
- MM Lee 28 Jan 2010 Straits Times
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I'm glad MM Lee suddenly turned around and agree with what netizens have been saying all along about housing and transport. The first step to fixing problems is to admit they exist and stop denying. Netizens were not in disagreement with the govt for the sake of opposing it - they disagreed because they were felt strongly that they were right. I'm happy MM Lee sees our side - however, some may suspect that elections which have to be held this year or next has something to do with this.

60 comments:

Anonymous said...

It would also mean that netizens are quite minister material, with helicopter vision. So, this quality is not confined to some MIWs, hack, they are overpaid for their work. Let's get some FTs to improve their work.

Anonymous said...

Old fart must be kidding.

You means all this while old fart screw the citizens, and yet he don't know about it .

Old fart can stop all his wayang because people already see through him.

It will be foolish for people to trust him again.

Trust him at your own peril.

Anonymous said...

what these people are saying is that we can't enjoy a quality meal in a clean food court apart from foreign workers.unfortunately, and they are not denying this, foreign import has made some people uncomfortable.

so to resolve this, they come back with you need to work cheaper, better and faster so you can bring their number down.

oh,that's too optimistic.

i think singaporeans should just live with filthy food courts and dirty public toilets.

solve everything! LOL

Anonymous said...

unfortunately,his ministers and even his son has not sang the same tune with him.

but they should be soon,as their master has spoken,giving the greenlight. a bunch of yes-men

Anonymous said...

The opposition don't have to sabo PAP. LKY's doing a fantastic job at it! By shooting his unwanted mouth off everywhere, he's the best embarrassment and discredit to the PAP! Keep up your court jester act, LKY! He sings a different tune all the time, depending on what fear/paranoia is gripping him at that moment. His thoughts are a hallogenic range of topics, all of which is wayang and insane. Of course the tune will change tomorrow. You'll be mad to trust him.

Anonymous said...

"raise your productivity, do the job better, so that instead of two workers, eventually you’ll do it with one worker"

How about the PAP?

Anonymous said...

"so to resolve this, they come back with you need to work cheaper, better and faster so you can bring their number down."

this is the crux of the matter.for or against ... if the oppositions can come back to us and say...give us the mandate and we will deliver the swiss standard of living without being cheap, better and faster and what would you say?

we will trust you? HAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous said...

How to bring down the number of foreign workers?

Can.

Bring down the standard of living of ALL SUNGAPOREANS and the value of their assets.

So GMS and lucky agree to that?

Kojakbt said...

Who should we believe? The 87 year-old MM Lee or the 51 year-old Law Minister Shanmugam?

MM Lee: "...property prices have gone up because foreigners with permanent residence are buying into the market."

Law Minister Shanmugam said that foreigners are not responsible for driving up HDB prices: "You say maybe foreigners are paying these high valuations. I think if you check, you’ll find that the majority are Singaporeans."

Anonymous said...

kajak. dont wayang here lah just answer to the above questions.

MM SZ said...

Thanks. Linked under, 'Politics'.

Anonymous said...

This senile old man is the one driving all these policies which hurt Singaporeans. No doubt about that. Their internal polling is showing that their support base has virtually vanished and they don't have much time before the next GE. So he has no choice but to temporarily change course for the sake of the election.
This shows the importance of voting wisely. Your vote is your only weapon against the government who hurt you. Your vote is the only way u can force the government to change their destructive course. Show to the pap in the next GE that u are disgusted with their attitudes and policies. Vote against them. If they throw goodies at u, take it but still vote against them.
Putting more oppositions into parliament is the way to go to improve your bargaining power with the papist leegime. Reduce their majority to close to 50% and they will have to fight for every one of your votes. That is when they will listen carefully to your wishes.

Anonymous said...

Anon 29/1/10 11:29

Quote:How to bring down the number of foreign workers?

Can.

Bring down the standard of living of ALL SUNGAPOREANS and the value of their assets.
Unquote.

The papist leegime chose the easy way out to drive the econonmy. They chose to import huge numbers of foreigners. This type of growth only benefitted 1.the papist elites whose multi$million pay and bonus are pegged to the growth rate. 2. the rich business people who will have access to cheap and easily exploitable labours.
The working Singaporeans paid a heavy price for this economic growht. Some lose their jobs to the foreigners. Others have their wages artificially depressed.More foreigners also means higher cost of living. Housing up, transportation crowded, open spaces crowded.
Working Singaporeans don't want this type of economic growth.
Working Singaporeans want economic growth thru productivity increase so that their standard of living will rise.

Anonymous said...

"this is the crux of the matter.for or against ... if the oppositions can come back to us and say...give us the mandate and we will deliver the swiss standard of living without being cheap, better and faster and what would you say?"

you must be kidding. i think they prefer to stay at the rear end of the PAP and poke their arseholes from time to time to get into power.LOL.

aiyah, both PAP DOGS and useless oppositions ODGS are just that...DOGS!

one lead us to hell, and the other want to ride on hell and take us to the abyss. LOL

Anonymous said...

29/1/10 12:29

you have not answered the fundamental question now have you?

Anonymous said...

"Working Singaporeans want economic growth thru productivity increase so that their standard of living will rise."

i think you are very confused about this "standard of living" and what it entails and that's why you are not making sense!!

Anonymous said...

you want to know the joke?

if singaporeans were forced to choose between HELL and the HYPOCRITICAL ABYSS, they will choose down to earth HELL anytime!!

muahahahahahah........

Anonymous said...

"How to bring down the number of foreign workers?

Can.

Bring down the standard of living of ALL SUNGAPOREANS and the value of their assets.

So GMS and lucky agree to that?"

the link between number of foreign workers and standard of living of the MAJORITY OF SINGAPOREANS is such that when we kick off at least the present half of foreigners, our standard of living will shoot up - no more traffic congestion, no S-pass holders to undercut your wages, no chinky/indian managers who bring in their entire villages to staff their sections, no PRs who whine about not getting a place in a coveted school.

on the other hand, the link between foreign workers and the standard of living for our PAP ELITES will come down to earth (from their current absurb levels).

period.

vote out PAP. kick out half of foreign leeches.

Anonymous said...

29/1/10 12:55

you are rather simple minded aren't you?

if these people don't have A PURPOSE FOR BEING HERE, they won't be here in the first place!

Anonymous said...

if singaporeans were forced to choose between HELL and the HYPOCRITICAL ABYSS, they will choose down to earth HELL anytime!!

Hell is fun :)

runroad said...

'you are rather simple minded aren't you? if these people don't have A PURPOSE FOR BEING HERE, they won't be here in the first place!'


No, 'tis you who are being cretinous. They're here because the PAP govt in its eagerness to massage the GDP figures engineered the vacuum for them to fill. They would otherwise NOT be here. It isn't the functioning of an immutable Law of Nature which you are suggesting it is. Shut the jamban door and the flies will remain outside.

Anonymous said...

29/1/10 12:59

you're quite mentally challenged, aren't you?

their primary purpose is to depress wages and displace Singaporeans - courtesy of PAP.

Vote out PAP or their Swiss Standard of Living

Anonymous said...

I don't know if we have made any progress over the past 10 years under the leadership (or lack of it) of PAP, but if you ask me, I would rather be in the year 2000 than it is now!

Anonymous said...

Yes, the propaganda has already started about a couple of months ago.

Today's newspaper is that there will be a wider gap in education subsidy between PRs and Citizens.

I think whatever issues that have been or are going to be discussed here will be addressed one way or another for the months leading to the elections.

Just hope that history does not repeat itself and personally, I still believe there must still be some checks and balances for a more effective political system here.

Taiwan is also like that. In the early years, the political situation in Taiwan is quite oppressive and many people were jailed and suppressed. Then later, the leader of the Kuomingtang party decided to change the political landscape that results in the democratic system that we see today. Of course, that is not saying Taiwan got the best system. But at least, you can feel that the Taiwanese people's passion and fervour when it comes to issues regarding the homeland.

I believe it is because they feel they have a stake in the land they are born in.

Anonymous said...

People tend to tell conflicting stories when they lie.

Anonymous said...

"Shut the jamban door and the flies will remain outside."

great, they are outside the jamban and you are inside the jamban with the shit.

runroad said...

great, they are outside the jamban and you are inside the jamban with the shit.

Heh. It may be shit but it's MY shit. Please shut the door behind you when you buzz off.

Anonymous said...

"But at least, you can feel that the Taiwanese people's passion and fervour when it comes to issues regarding the homeland."

you will want that when it is politically convenient. but "PAP" will return when threatened.

Anonymous said...

Politics is hollywood for ugly people.

Onlooker said...

The reason LKK agree is because he do not know how to solve the present dilemma (although he might try obsolete methods which will back fire).

The problem is created by himself.

And should anyone be really surprised that non of the sycophants (in his party and it subsidiary organizations) dare to tell him the crux of the problem.

It is sad for the late President Ong T C in case anyone forgot he is one of the main proponent for the mass transit system that became bog down by INCAPABLE minister administrations.

And PTC is just a rubber stamping council.

What to do? it happened.....

Paul said...

Annon 10:59
Have you considered the possiblity that maybe Singapore will become a first world nation like Japan or Korea - then cleaners, garbage collectors etc would be paid a decent wage so that ordinary citizens would be able and willing to do the job. On my last trip to Japan, the hotel cleaner was a normal Japanese guy who was quite comfortable chatting about politics (I think) and sports (I am sure) with the guy at the desk who was also Japanese. Of course things are expensive but that is what happens in first world cities - with high salaries, you can afford some of them

Anonymous said...

Paul,

sure. the key is to get everyone on the boat - as long as they are contributing to the country.

but a country without natural resources to tap on, it's very difficult to loosen up on labor(must keep them competitive) otherwise, once you lose the push factor, the dependency will kick in.

the ruling party, or the mr harry, is very uncomfortable with that.

Anonymous said...

anon:29/1/10 12:29

you have not answered the fundamental question now have you?

29/1/10 12:35

Unquote.

anon:"Working Singaporeans want economic growth thru productivity increase so that their standard of living will rise."

i think you are very confused about this "standard of living" and what it entails and that's why you are not making sense!!

29/1/10 12:38

Unquote.

Obviously u r not that smart.
My answers are right infront of u.
What is the point of high growth and escalating property prices which don't benefit the average working Singaporeans ? A better alternative is quality and sustainable growth. Asset bubbbles must eventually burst just like the one in American. Do we want that ? We have seen how the wave of HKees drove up property prices in the 90's only to cash in and run away leaving the mess to Singaporeans.
A better quality of life = less stress, higher income and more time for the family and recreations like the Australians. A higher productivity can be achieved thru higher capital investments, work smarter, more skills training, restructuring of economy and producing higher value added products.
Higher productivity will enable workers to work lesser hours and get higher pay.
Many will say Singapore cannot affort the Australian ways. Rubbish. On a per capital basis, Singapore has as much wealth as the Australians. The Aussies have their resouces, Singapore has over US$600 billions in hidden wealth. A return of 5% is more than enough to pay for the total yearly government expenditure. Even the Aussie cannot do that.
Go figure out why u r not getting the good life that u deserve. Why do u have to study and work so hard and yet still find life a struggle ?
The answers are in your hands.

Anonymous said...

anon:you are rather simple minded aren't you?

if these people don't have A PURPOSE FOR BEING HERE, they won't be here in the first place!

29/1/10 12:59

Unquote
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Sure their purpose is to exploit the opportunities in Singapore. Just like the Hkees in the 90's who came and played up the property prices, then cashed in and run away leaving the mess to Singaporeans, the Communist Chinese will do the same. What they made and save in Singapore over a few years will make them rich for life in their own country.
The only way Singaporeans can do that is to liquidate their assets in Singapore and move to the less developed areas in the region. Many has done it and many will continue to do it.
Is this the way to build a nation ?

Anonymous said...

only ONE WAY to prove PAP's sincerity in changing things - CUT THEIR GROSSLY INFLATED FAT PAY CHECKS BY 50% OR MORE!!

Anonymous said...

Actually I am worried for Singapore. Why?

Because it seems that the govt is without a brain of their own and takes its cue from MM Lee.

If MM Lee says OK, then it's OK. If he says not OK, then not OK. Policy is then decided in this way. No challenge to his reasoning by the ministers despite the great rumblings from the ground.

It's frigntening that we still need to depned on a 86 year old man to give the guidance and without question after 44 years of independence.

Will Singapore become chaotic without him as the whole govt will lose their brain?

runroad said...

Wiki has the perfect description:

A cult of personality arises when a country's leader uses mass media to create an idealized and heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise. Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships and Stalinist governments. A cult of personality is similar to general hero worship, except that it is created specifically for political leaders.

Generally, personality cults are most common in regimes with totalitarian systems of government, that seek to radically alter or transform society according to (supposedly) revolutionary new ideas. Often, a single leader becomes associated with this revolutionary transformation, and comes to be treated as a benevolent "guide" for the nation, without whom the transformation to a better future cannot occur.


Russia had Stalin, China had Mao, Germany had Hitler, North Korea has Kim and Singapore has Lee. His is probably the most damaging because of the state's miniscule size. After 50 years of relentless repression there is no reservoir of talent left biding its time to take over the reins once the emperor dies. He's filled all positions of power with weaklings to protect himself and now when the results of his failed policies have finally floated to the surface like shit always does, there is no one strong enough to take charge.

When he goes the whole house of cards will begin to totter as the second and third rate celebrities wrangle over the spoils. Forget the basic pillars of democracy like an independent judiciary and a free press coming to the rescue - he finished those off long ago.

Kojakbt said...

"Actually I am worried for Singapore. Why?

Because it seems that the govt is without a brain of their own and takes its cue from MM Lee.

If MM Lee says OK, then it's OK. If he says not OK, then not OK. Policy is then decided in this way. No challenge to his reasoning by the ministers despite the great rumblings from the ground.

It's frigntening that we still need to depned on a 86 year old man to give the guidance and without question after 44 years of independence."

It's not that we are dependent on this old man for guidance but this old man refused to give up power. According to some sources, internally inside PAP, there are already rumblings against him but all dare not voice out anything for fear of his axe. He is known to have taken care of any nay-sayers against him inside the party. Wee Toon Boon is a good example. He was charged with some small corruption charge when his real sin was going against old man in the party. Ask any old PAP members and they will tell you the story secretly on the side.

And, the success of Singapore has been attributed too much to this one man. One must remember, PAP used to be run by a team of old guards (e.g. Toh Chin Chye, Goh Keng Swee, Rajaratnam, Lim Kim San, Hon Sui Sen etc). The team members complimented one another and served to check and balance each other. All of them were fighting for an ideal for Singapore from the 60s-80s. Somwhere in the 80s/90s, old man started to get rid of old guards one by one. A few of them have been known to quarrel with old man and decided to leave the cabinet for the sake of PAP and Singapore. By the time it reaches the 90s, old man was essentially the man calling the shot. No more of his ex-peers to check and balance his views. The younger ministers including ex-PM Goh Chok Tong dared not rebut his views. And if you guys look bad, many of the bad policies actually started to come from the 90s till now (asset "enhancement" policy started in the 90s).

Moral of the story, in any country, you can't have a single man running the show because his own bandwidth is limited and he can't know everything. In my view, I think the Chinese CCP is even more democratic than our PAP. Inside CCP, there are factions that keep each other in check and on their toes....

Anonymous said...

He's not agreeing with us. He's just saying we are whiny, that we now complain that there are too many of them here.

Anonymous said...

The problem is with job, not transport.
No job, how are you going to "transport"??
No Job, Where are you gong to "transport"???

No income, how are you going to survive? Still want to "transport"??

Anonymous said...

Mr Kojakbt

if u do not stick to PAP "all stupid and bad" on this blog ... Lucky will have to issue a fatwa against you.

LuckySingaporean said...

anon 12:20,

That wasn't a very fair comment. If the PAP and their supporters have good things to say about themselves and if it is true, I have no objections.

Anonymous said...

kojak, you are not painting a balance view maybe because you still think dictators like mao still exists in such a FREE economy as ours.


today, i think is very difficult to lead without making sense.

only religious leaders have that kind of power over some people.

Anonymous said...

Mr Lucky

Eh ... have u been reading the comments from your loyal supporters?

Anyway, striking out wildly will get u solution like this:

http://hardhitting-nobs.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-does-that-benefit-me.html

that helps nobody.
unless u count it as a "moral victory".

Eh ... do i get a fatwa?

Anonymous said...

anyway, the days of "strong man rule" maybe over for sg.

i can't think of anyone who can take over his unique place in history, can you?

Anonymous said...

Mr Anon 14:33

I can assure u again that LKY is a firm darwinian atheist.
And he has "that kind" of power.

And he sleeps very well.
Afterall he answers to no one. no god.
Look how radiant he is these days.

Aurvandil said...

It is a myth that MM Lee is some kind of messhiah-like economic genius who brought Singaporeans from the "Third World" to the promised land of the "First World".

If you do an empirical study of economies that have risen rapidly in the past 20 years, you will find many countries with similar or even better economic performance that the "Great Singapore Economic Miracle".

Anonymous said...

mm strength is his ability to persuade and on some occasions, uses bare knuckles on the political arena. but the old man has mellowed considerably.

he is mortal and what remains is his ideas.

if you think your ideas are better, you can still challenge his after he is long gone.

otherwise,his ideas remain deeply rooted in our soils.

runroad said...

'Look how radiant he is these days.'

Bear in mind that the candle always burns brightest before it sputters out.

I am the candle flame
which burns brightest
before last flickering moments
of struggling heart-torn life.
Each day a part of me is consumed
in differing though measured step.
Burned out forever.
Slowly I am drowning
wick is near liquefied end.
I’m falling without footing
or foundation beneath.

- T.G. Craddock

Aurvandil said...

There is no glory or honour in beating up an old man. No matter how hard he fights, God will eventually call him home.

The fight now is for the next generation. While he might not welcome it, I think at some level he is relieved that Singapore has capable people. The fire of baptism for these people will be to defeat the monster which has been unintentionally spawned after so many years of unchallenged rule.

Anonymous said...

Religious leaders have far longer staying power. most religious leaders can last a LIFE TIME - no need mandatory election to interfere with his rule.

Few gave a thought how insidious that kind be.

Far more insidious than someone who is trying to rise from his grave.

This one promise to RESURRECT someday. HAHAHA.

Anonymous said...

"I can assure u again that LKY is a firm darwinian atheist.
And he has "that kind" of power."

at least he makes more cow sense than those who wash themselves in blood - literally.

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"I can assure u again that LKY is a firm darwinian atheist.
And he has "that kind" of power.

And he sleeps very well.
Afterall he answers to no one. no god.
Look how radiant he is these days." - Anon 14:38

This I cannot understand.

I thought that an elected official is answerable to the electorate, not to the Gods.

Kojakbt said...

>> if u do not stick to PAP "all stupid and bad" on this blog ... Lucky will have to issue a fatwa against you.

My own view is this. In the early years of Singapore, in the 60s/70s and even the 80s, PAP under the old guards generally as a team, it really cares for Singaporeans. But that PAP is long gone. The current PAP is a complete different animal from the one in the past. The current PAP is about elitism and making selfish gains. That's why you can have YPAP member like Sear trying to make money for himself through even the deads in Eunos!

Certainly, I'm all for a major shake-up in Singapore politics to break the elitist control of PAP in Singapore!

Kojakbt said...

"If the PAP and their supporters have good things to say about themselves and if it is true, I have no objections."

Thank you Lucky, for your comments. Just to clarify, I'm no supporter of PAP. I'm merely a voter waiting for oppo members to stand in West Coast so that I can have a chance to vote for oppo :)

Anonymous said...

SDP will be standing in West Coast. I hope you will be true to your word and vote for them.

Kojakbt said...

Sure, I'll give my support to SDP. I see that they are focusing more on helping the people these days (e.g. the wet market saga where PAP privatise off to some of these PAP-connected businessmen to make money...)

Anonymous said...

Hi Kojak,

One of my foreign friends told me that the whole $ingapore (and the garmen) is playing the "Simon Say" game. When you hear Simon (Harry) says, then you do. Otherwise, you are out.

He used fear in the past but now he also uses opium ($$). Once you are addicted to it, you will sell your soul. Just look at the ministers, MPs, civil servants, generals and so on.

Kojakbt said...

"He used fear in the past but now he also uses opium ($$). Once you are addicted to it, you will sell your soul."

Yes, a good example is Vivian. Before he joined PAP, I remembered he was quite a vocal guy criticizing some of PAP policies. After he became a Minister, he changed. Money does have its effect, doesn't it?

Anonymous said...

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