Thursday, February 25, 2010

U-Turn or Election Sweetening....?

Suddenly, we see plenty of changes to our foreign worker policy. The govt talks of sharpening the difference between Singaporeans and PRs. They are increasing foreign worker levies so employers will have more incentives to hire Singaporeans. The govt will also be implementing citizenship tests[Link]. Looks like nothing in Singapore comes in moderation. I had dinner with a group of PRs last weekend and many of them were quite surprised at the moves against them - many of them have been in Singapore for 10-15 years and consider Singapore their 2nd home. First the govt implemented an FT policy on steriods opening the floodgates to foreigners, running advertisements overseas to ask people to come to Singapore to enjoy free scholarship & work etc. Then all of a sudden, they want to "sharpen the difference" in treatment of PRs, imposing higher levies, imposing citizenship tests etc. They are doing what some people say is a U-turn on their policies. Really, why can't they just plan properly and use common sense instead of swinging from one extreme to another. For the PRs, there is complete confusion because the media for the last few years kept harping on Singapore needing more foreigners to create jobs for Singapores, they are needed because of our low fertility rate and they are wanted because they are more "hard striving" and so on.

For critics of the govt FT policy, many are relieved that the govt finally 'sees the light' and have taken steps to adjust this policy. However, one has to ask : why did the govt take so long to realise it had veered so far off and is now in a hurry to correct the policy? It is hard for me to believe that the PAP has moved away from being pro-business to doing what will benefit ordinary Singaporeans at the expense of big business - this is completely inconsistent with every thing else the govt has done over time and the "native Singaporeans are falling behind because the spurs are not stuck into the hide, that is their problem" ideology. What all this is consistent with is the sweetening process we see before every election. Lest you forget, I've attached a old sample of this from 2006 i.e.before the last general elections. Plenty of talk about "helping Singaporeans", "helping the poor", "more jobs for Singaporeans", concern for older workers, concern for the poor and so on before the 2006 elections - so what happened after that?

Before every election, the populace is convinced that things have changed for the better by a tsunami of good news and favorable policy changes. After the elections, the govt sings a completely different tune with various hikes - GST, minister pay, transport fare etc. If you think that the PAP govt is all set to moderate its foreign worker policy, please think again. The best way to secure long lasting and permanent changes is to let this govt know that you don't forget easily and you're not a fool ....only then will they respect you and start working for your interest.
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2006 SWEETENERS....
"Higher wages seen for Singapore workers as job market tightens" "Singapore businesses optimistic in first half of 2006" "Singapore's employment in 2005 at all-time high of 2.3 million" "Singapore's economy expected to continue prospering: PM Lee" "$1b help for low-wage earners" "NTUC aim: Make 10,000 jobs pay more this year " "Record 32m pass through Changi Airport" "Foreign Trade hits record $716b" "RECORD panel recommends financial incentives for NSmen" "Private and HDB home prices move up" "Panel recommends incentive package for companies to hire older workers" "More workers expected to find jobs in 2006: NTUC Chief " "Biomedical sciences industry may exceed government's 2015 target" "NTUC to set up $50m fund to help low-wage workers upgrade their skills " "S'pore strong trade performance expected to continue into H1 2006" "Medisave withdrawal limit to be raised from $300 to $400 from April" "Singapore expects strong manufacturing investments in 2006 " "Strong jobs gains show Singapore employers hiring for growth: analysts " "Jalan Besar Town Council unveils $517m estate upgrading plan" "S&C and rental rebates for 700,000 households" "Sembawang Town Council to spend $570m on renewal plan" "Civil servants to get 1.75 month year-end bonus" "12% of Singapore employers to increase hiring in Q1: survey " "Singapore created 28,500 jobs in Q3 " "Singapore raises economic growth forecast to around 5% for full year" "ComCare Fund disburses $8.7m to help low income households" "East Coast Town to undergo S$500m renewal programme " "HDB upgrading programme speeds up with 64 precincts chosen for 2006 " "Jobless rate down to 2.5%. Lowest in 4 years" "More Jobs Than Ever Before As The Tide Turns" "Singapore retailers say festive season sales the best since 2003" "Manufacturing, service sectors optimistic about business conditions" "Singapore's PMI expands for 9th straight month in January" "Singapore's STI ends at six-year high for second day running " "Singapore banks expected to post strong Q4 earnings" "Singaporeans less worried about economy, job security: survey " "SilkAir flew record 134,000 in Dec " "Singapore's M&A market hits record number of deals in 2005 " "SingTel's regional mobile users rise to 78m by end of Dec 2005 " "More SMEs expected to launch IPO this year" "SE Asia a key growth region for many S'pore firms" "Bets still on for global stock market rally despite slow start to year" "Panasonic sets up new semiconductor plant, expands capacity by 25% " "More couples having more children, 2005 birth rates up marginally" "MediaCorp Raintree Pictures' "I Not Stupid Too" beats Jet Li's "Fearless" "More poly graduates finding jobs at higher starting pay: survey" "Gallery outreach, higher incomes drive growing interest in art collecting" "Committee on ageing recommends $10m fund for senior citizens' activities" "Raffles Holdings posts record annual profit of S$678m" "Raffles Medical posts 27% rise in earnings to $12m for 2005" "S'pore sees increased entrepreneurial activity" "APB reports 16% rise in Q1 profit to S$39.4m" "More amenities, upgrading works for growing GRC" "Ang Mo Kio to be upgraded into 'seamless town', says PM" "Barrier-free access soon in all housing estates, transport system" "Surplus to be shared, says DPM Wong" "Drug abuse arrests hit yet another record low in 2005" "CPF members to receive bonus under DPS" "Number of school dropouts down: Education Ministry" "S'pore received record number of tourists in 2005" "Singapore's Q4 GDP up annualised 13%, 2006 growth forecast raised to 4%-6%" "Wages up, most companies adopting flexible wage system" "Singapore's December retail sales up 7.4% to S$2.8b""SIA passenger traffic up in January"

107 comments:

Anonymous said...

Here's my non-politically correct take on the FT issue.

The Chinese population has a very low fertility rate. They are not reproducing themselves as fast as the Muslim population.

The PAP govt is very paranoid of what is happening in Malaysia - Islamization. It is very likely to happen once the non-Muslims lose the demographics war.

As non-Muslims, do we want to live under a religious law that favours one religion over others, regardless the merits of the case? Think of non-Muslim minorities who live in Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Kashmir, Iraq, Egypt and Turkey, and you can see that this is a very frightening prospect.

The mainstream media and all political parties will not discuss this issue because of its sensitive nature. And because this is so sensitive, we are all expected to pretend that this possibility does not even exist.

But yes, this is one key reason why the PAP govt is so eager to bring in Chinese and to smaller extent, India migrants - to dilute the growing Muslim population.

Anonymous said...

I wrote the earlier comment.

It is not my intent to insult any religion, and any discussion should not lead to offending the religious sensitivities of anyone here.

I am just stating what I observe and what I read in the papers like Straits Times, Associated Press, Google, Yahoo, Reuters etc etc about the political dynamics when Islam starts to play a prominent role in local politics.

Anonymous said...

While walking down the street one day an MP is tragically hit by a truck and dies.

His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

"Welcome to heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in," says the MP.

"Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from the higher ups. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity..."

"Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven," says the MP.

"I'm sorry, but we have our rules."

And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.

Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while
getting rich at the expense of the people.

They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.

Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who is having a good time dancing and telling jokes.

They are all having such a good time that before the MP realizes it, it is time to go.

Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises...

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens in heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him, "Now it's time to visit heaven."

So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

"Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity."

The MP reflects for a minute, then he answers: "Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.

The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulders.

"I don't understand," stammers the MP. "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?"

The devil smiles at him and says, "Yesterday we were campaigning...
Today, you voted."

sgcynic said...

I'm definitely not a fool and would not want to be in hell.

Aurvandil said...

Good posting.

On the FT policy, they made so many turns that I am kind of lost.

Last I remember, GCT said no u-turn.

Then LHL came out and said something that was neither here or there. Something about space constraints, slowing down but still letting them in ...

Whatever might be the case, the FT and other related issues are not something which is easily glossed over.

The reason for this is that the consequences of the FT policy stares you in the face everyday.

You see the policy failure when you see the prices of HDB flats racing beyond your means to buy.

You see the policy failure when you try to take an MRT/bus to work.

You see the policy failure when you go to a public hospital and are told there are not enough beds.

You see the policy failure when your child fails to get into the school/university of your choice.

And you see the policy failure when you or your loved ones are replaced by cheaper,better,faster foreigners.

With such glaring obvious reminders, election sweeteners and other forms of propaganda have a limited effect.

It is hard to lie when the truth stares you in the face everyday.

Anonymous said...

change is the only constant.
at least they tried to win back voters even if they know that voting the opp will not change anything. Sg is a small and resourceless country. Predicted to be underwater in some years to come.

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Anonymous said...

This government has lost my trust. They lied too many times.

Anonymous said...

I really enjoyed the St. Peter jokes/stories very much. Thanks! : )

Liar, liar, pants on fire said...

My 2 cents: Election sweetening lah. For real change, vote in opposition.

To the 1st anonymous who wrote about Islamization:

From what I can see, the opened floodgates to cheap PRCs have marginalized the Malay Muslims (no thanks also to the mother tongue education policy). Racial minorities face discrimination at work because they do not speak/understand the PRC language. One can hardly blame them for feeling marginalized, when the policies are stacked against them.

If one is content that one is a majority and thus escaped the racism, think again. The floodgates are wide open.

E.g. Value$ shop in Toa Payoh is flooded with Pinoy staff speaking to each other in Pinoy. As a customer, I had previously seen 1 or 2 local Chinese workers who were consistently "bullied" (aggressive attitude) by their Pinoy colleagues. After the shop re-opened post-renovations, the locals are gone. Does manning a convenience store require so much talent? Or is it merely an issue of cheaper*? Note: I refuse to add "faster and better" because those Pinoys' service attitude sucks. Or is it racism and protectionism by Pinoys for their own kind in the industry?

Another e.g. Who has not heard/seen of IT departments turning Indian Indian once one of them reach management levels? Are they cheaper, faster and better? Of those I've met, typically 30% don't know the crap that they are talking about (one wonders which employment agent wrote their CV for them), 60% are mediocal (and surf internet when boss is not around, thus they are more costly if productivity is taken into account), only 10% are talent (but they are often just waiting for the PRs to elsewhere).

Singaporeans are now discriminated against by the very foreigners that the government has opened the floodgates to. How did all of this happen? Take a look at our immigration and employment policy. Compare to those in other first world countries.

My 2 cents: PAP is merely putting out the pre-election sweetening. Their current wayang over the FT issue is a repeat of the KBW's "no means testing" pre-election promise.

Anonymous said...

Election is coming as I read from some blogs that overseas Singaporeans are invited to register for elections.

Anonymous said...

When is the government going to announce that they will give us New Singapore Shares? Or Economic Restrucutring Shares? Or the Progress Package Shares? I am waiting for my goody bag so that I can vote for them.

Anonymous said...

The government is just singing a new tune to an old song. What they are trying to tell us "daft" Singaporeans is: "The machinery is there. Just run it!"

Stay tune...

Anonymous said...

Aurvandil,

You are right. This time they (PAP)really cannot hide.

Women in Singapore are strong PAP supporters and having to squeeze with so many FTs in MRT everyday must have completely turned them against the PAP.

Anonymous said...

Hey Lucky!

The government is desperately trying to sppray perfume on shit to make it smell better. No difference, really.

Anonymous said...

My main concern is that we have too many politically apathetic female Singaporeans who would swing the swing couple with a lot of politically empowered male Singaporeans who are "bo lam pa".

Anonymous said...

Today PAP says this, tomorrow they say that. PAP thinks we are daft enough to believe what they tell us.

All this is just wayang before the elections. We are not falling for it anymore, we have been cheated so many times by these PAP cronies !!!

VOTE PAP OUT once and for all to save Singapore !!

Anonymous said...

You believe all the sweet things PAP is now saying ??

After the elections, they will come out of their sheep skin and show their wolf fangs !!

Just wait and see !

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24zEOkWT6Oc

Basically, narive Chinese, Malay, Indian, Eurasian, Sikh and Arab Singaporeans are being short-changed.

It would not be far-fetched for me to say that we're being cheated by our own government because of their misplaced greed for money. They have been motivated to think only of their own selfish interest and not of us, Singaporeans.

It's time to put a stop to this.

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"Really, why can't they just plan properly and use common sense instead of swinging from one extreme to another."

If an iceberg is spotted 20 nautical miles away, a slight nudge on the wheel will avoid it.

If an iceberg is spotted 500 yards ahead and you are on small boat, you will need a spin of the wheel, and probably also throw the engines in reverse to avoid it.

If an iceberg is spotted 500 yards ahead BUT you are on a massive ocean liner, then the maximum spin of the wheel and engines full reverse may not be enough to avoid it.

Due to the heavy momentum of their FT policy, the act of swinging from one extreme to another suggests that government leaders are having difficulty assessing the magnitude of the ground frustrations, having difficulty projecting the severity of the impact, and are under strong time pressure to apply their compensatory measures.

Despite their heroic efforts, it may already be too late.

Anonymous said...

"U-Turn or Election Sweetening....?"

Aiya, nothing surprising, this is done everywhere not just Singapore.

The only thing unique about Singapore is 98% seats every election for the ruling party.

Once you have this, all the issues and things raised in this posting and comments can be solved one.

No worry lah.

Anonymous said...

Nonsense. I am a female and I will definitely vote for the opposition. Any party except PAP.

Anonymous said...

Yes, you make up the majority of the female.

Anonymous said...

all talk cock sing song one...

pap is notorious for lip service...

the smart thing is do is to say, "too little, too late, you're fired!"...

Anonymous said...

is talk god sing song you idiot

Anonymous said...

to anon 25/2/10 17:11:

that would be true only if pap didn't bring in hordes of foreigners.

the fact that the population shot up to 5 million from 3 million in five years, shows that this cannot be so.

furthermore, a lot of chinese singaporeans are displaced from their jobs. what is the use of maintaining racial status quo if the chinese are unemployed???

vote for change. vote wisely.

Anonymous said...

I am a Singaporean. And I am also a racist.

I have a low opinion of people from Third-World countries, regardless the colour of their skin.

Sure, some Third-World countries have produced real world-class talent. But these are the exceptions, and they do not affect my opinion of Third-world people?

China's hungry graduates? They are talent? If they were real talent, China would have been modernized years ago. But today, China is synonymous with corruption and nepotism.

India has lots of talents? Please, give India another 20 years, and India will still be a Third-World society?

Phililipines has many talents? If the Pinoys were so talented, Phillipines wouldn't be so poor.

They are all cheap labour, of generally low quality. We import them in huge numbers, it also means we import in their sub-standard ways of doing things; corruption, favouritism, talking cock, slacking.

Some of them are talented. But most of them are not. If they were, we would be in their countries long ago as cheap labour instead.

Onlooker said...

Having more opposition in parliament means that PAP's (mostly)/any detrimental policy will at least be scrutinized more by every mp from both within PAP and oppositions before it is approved.We do not need rubber stamping mps.

In the event, that after discussing with the common people that the MP represent they found that a policy is not in line with how the citizens need ,for example the direction we should be moving in, the representative mp will be able to vote against such detrimental policy.
Having more opposition MPs will also make PAP mps more likely to vote against a detrimental policy.
This is because there are no longer guaranteed position in parliament anymore.
PAP mps will have to really start addressing Problems faced by the common Singaporean instead of just paying lip service.

A "Meritocracy" still have to take care of it's citizens.
That is a fact that the PAP had lng forgotten.And thus making them obsolete.

In Fact, Having more oppositions as mp in parliament can create a better policy making process.

If anything is to be said about this coming election.
It should be "BEING DECISIVE" by eliminating rubber stamping vetted MPs who got into parliament via uncontested GRC.And their only contribution is saying/voting yes and mocking opposition MPs.

Anonymous said...

This time the papist leegime overtaxed the timid submissiveness of Singaporeans. The papist leegime is fucked. Singaporeans have been stretched beyond breaking point. Few will fall for their lies especially amongst the young and the baby boomers. LHL will be dealth a major setback which could well lead to other adverse consequences. First trouble within the papist heirachy. Then his fragile health. LKY will have a good present to bring to his grave.

Onlooker said...

What I commented just now is not new.It had been mentioned and flesh out before.

The Need for a Multi-Party System by Dr Wong Wee Nam

Anonymous said...

Lucky wrote:
"After the elections, the govt sings a completely different tune with various hikes - GST, minister pay, transport fare etc. "

No need to wait after elections.

In a NEWS article talking about the green initiatives in the budget as the headline article, got one throwaway line about the 8.8% increase in budget for ministerial pay.

http://www.mrbrown.com/blog/2010/02/ministers-got-early-angpow.html

Anonymous said...

our leaders are doing well with promise of success or happiness for all Singaporean, you can't deny it, 8.8% deserved, more good years ahead.

Anonymous said...

The answer is simple. PAP will still win because the so called "informed" group that surf the net is the ultra minority just like the ultra underclass.

Everybody is still prosperous and will vote PAP! Me included but i rather no jokers come and contest in my ward. Please! i want a golf holiday booked in bintan.

Anonymous said...

PAP has lost touch with the ground. Only the informed group with vote for PAP? Then you're wrong. Every taxidriver I talk to wants to vote out PAP. And even Reach Singapore has people talking bad about the government on a government website! Get real! It's time for a change. The PAP are the only people who think they can "steal the bell with the ears plugged up" (Chinese proverb)!

Anonymous said...

In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way. -Franklin Delano Roosevelt

There is no u turn that is being made now to correct the mistake of opening of the floodgates. There was no mistake in the first place. The large influx of foreigners and low supply of new housing are all done according to plan.

You're either with us...or you're with the terrorists. -George Walker Bush

The false left-right paradox. The perpetuation of the lie that there can only be 2 choices: Pap or opposition. There is also the possibility of a third, fourth, fifth option. That is exactly what they do not want you to consider.

Anonymous said...

We shall stand by our leaders and lend them our support as a citizen. Together as one, we can emerge out of this crisis swiftly and prosper.

Fievel said...

Since practical considerations wins the day always in Singapore, I'll say to all my friends, just go ahead and vote in the opposition.

Once we have quite a bit more than the mere 2 seats out of 84, we can truly have the entire cabinet work for us, because they will all be treating everyday for the next 4 years like its election year.

Put some spurs into their bloody hides, my friends.

Anonymous said...

With leadership in limbo (I don't know who is the real PM), you can be sure things will be status quo after GE. Recent measures are just to placate some pre GE heat, watch out for more GST, indirect taxes etc. Just look back at measures/policies introduced after the last GE.

Anonymous said...

"In Fact, Having more oppositions as mp in parliament can create a better policy making process."

two loggerheads more often than not lead to headaches as in head clashes. or more cooks adding their special brand of ingredients may end up with "mee siam lagi mai hum".

point is, there is no prove that a multi party system will yield better governance or wiser decisions. in fact, there are many multi party system around today which will testify otherwise.

common to all party politics is party leadership. each party will elect its own leadership. the leader ultimately reflects the party values. nowwho would support another leader in power? it is a political concoction of not checks and balances but constant check mates.

and the name of the game is to win at all cost - at the people's expense!

NEXT!

Anonymous said...

there are many multi party system around today which will ATTEST otherwise.

Anonymous said...

interesting. the "ten most trusted profession" in singapore has excluded politician and pastor/priest.

oh, the irony. LOL

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"point is, there is no prove that a multi party system will yield better governance or wiser decisions. in fact, there are many multi party system around today which will testify otherwise."

The key issue is feedback control of government policies, not about the number of political parties.

In an ideal scenario, of course one enlightened political party with internal checks and balances can be better than disruptive multiparty squabbling.

But the caveat is that this single party must have INDEPENDENT feedback mechanisms.

Party members cannot end up having so many personal interests in common such that they never disagree with each other and never dispute top down decisions.

If this happens, what is there to stop a powerful inner circle from doing whatever they want?

That is the reason why most democracies have multiparty systems.

That is reality.

lim said...

Basically, all these U-Turns are to show that pap are "caring" for singaporeans' concerns, because of the coming GE.

If GE is not expected soon, I am very sure there won't be such sweeteners, and once they get their mandate again, expect the common folks to swallow more bitter and expensive pills..

Now is the time to vote them out, for the sake of our children's futures..

Anonymous said...

Had we have a genuine democratic system of government over that last 50 years, I am very confident that the quality of lives of the average Singaporeans will be much better. The papists and the rich may have a lower standard of living compare to their lavish and luxurious lifestyle now.
Under a genuine democratic system of government, we will not have one party dominating political power for so long. The pap has been so dominant and powerful that it can carry out tough policies which hurt average Singaporeans and get away with it. I don't buy the argument that these tough policies are necessary for the survival of Singapore. Time for Singaporeans to wake up and reject this piece of papist propaganda that policies which hurt average Singaporeans are good for the country. Any policies which hurt a vast majority of the citizens in favour of the few are policies which have the potential to destablise and destroy the country. So how can it be good for the country ?

Anonymous said...

"Party members cannot end up having so many personal interests in common such that they never disagree with each other and never dispute top down decisions.

If this happens, what is there to stop a powerful inner circle from doing whatever they want?"

the political winds have changed especially in the last decade.we are also seeing a change in the style of governance.

this is attributed to better sharing,connectivity and organization.

the issue now is really getting the right people who understand what george yeo term as "democratic leadership" in place(he probably read it from somewhere lol).

we need to evolve and establish a new political model which can be truly inclusive.

we certainly don't want to end up like thailand which led to an entire country divided because of multi-party tussling for power, now do we?



26/2/10 11:10, you have yet to substantiate that most average citizens have been "hurt" by the incumbent.

Anonymous said...

we certainly don't want to end up like thailand, because of multi-party tussling for power which led to an entire country divided , now do we?

i think there are enough examples to rethink our political system.

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"the political winds have changed especially in the last decade.we are also seeing a change in the style of governance.

this is attributed to better sharing,connectivity and organization."

There may be some cosmetic differences, but these are inconsistent and often do not reflect any structure improvement.

The last decade has seen increases in GST, increase in CPF withdrawal age, huge increase in HDB prices, huge increase in Temasek Holdings/GIC losses and of course, a massive, unprecedented increase in foreign worker influx.

While the leadership reward themselves with big pay increase.

Where is the feedback mechanism?

Where is the enhanced accountability?

Where is your "better sharing,connectivity and organization"?

"we need to evolve and establish a new political model which can be truly inclusive.

we certainly don't want to end up like thailand which led to an entire country divided because of multi-party tussling for power, now do we?"

Yes, we do need to evolve a better political model.

But that better model does not have to exclude opposition parties, and there are many multiparty systems that did not end up like the situation in Thailand now.

Moreover, if you are talking about tussling for power, that is not the sole preserve of multiparty systems. Even a single party system can become rife with destructive internal disputes.

Anonymous said...

to anon 25/2/10 21:27

<<<<
furthermore, a lot of chinese singaporeans are displaced from their jobs. what is the use of maintaining racial status quo if the chinese are unemployed???

vote for change. vote wisely.

>>>>>

After the vote then what? Deport the non-chinese?

Anonymous said...

"But that better model does not have to exclude opposition parties, and there are many multiparty systems that did not end up like the situation in Thailand now."

just take an honest look at our political history. we once had a more leveled ground for political contest. did that stop pap from steamrolling their way through and consequently,indicted several opposition leaders?

can you guarantee history will not repeat itself if we carry on the current political process?


seriously, i don't see the need for election. i don't see the need for wayangs like in US :)

to me, the days of dictatorship or autocratic rule is numbered.

will we be the first to break out of the mould?

let's watch and see.

Anonymous said...

ELECTIONS ARE COMING...

NS FOR SINGAPOREANS, JOBS & SCHOLARSHIPS FOR PRS AND FOREIGNERS.

YOU DIE YOUR BUSINESS.

VOTE FOR CHANGE, VOTE OPPOSITION!

Anonymous said...

let me correct one of my statement.

i don't see the need for the kind of political election currently practiced.

however,electing leaders for certain role is an entirely different issue

Anonymous said...

26/2/10 12:29:

Exactly. Voting for PAP or Opposition, they all lead to the same outcome.

"Support PAP" is a socially engineered approved opinion.
"Support Opposition" is a socially engineered approved opinion.

Anyone with a non-approved third, fourth, fifth, sixth etc opinion and dared to voice it out is either dead, bankrupt or forced to live in exile. Eg: Anyone who suggests disobedience against unlawful laws is an idiot and quickly dismissed.

In USA's war on terror, George Bush said

You're either with us...or you're with the terrorists. -George Walker Bush

which conveniently ignores the fact that cancer has killed more Americans than 9/11 ever would. Therefore, their money & resources would be better spent on a War on CANCER, not a War on Terrorism. The third opinion!

Anonymous said...

"Therefore, their money & resources would be better spent on a War on CANCER, not a War on Terrorism. The third opinion!"

unfortunately, healing more cancer patients doesn't resolve conflicts around us.

identifying the correct type of leadership and resolving some doctrinal issues may better usher a new era of peace and stability.

then again, what is the "third way"?

lim said...

@anon 26/2/10 11:47

>>we certainly don't want to end up like thailand, because of multi-party tussling for power which led to an entire country divided , now do we?

Thailand landed itself in current situation because Thaksin was ousted by a military coup.. Which divided the country..

Also, current Thai PM just refuses to call for a GE, why? We all know that he was not "elected" by the people in an election..

Anonymous said...

26/2/10 13:01:

That was my point. To spend money on fixing internal problems instead of resolving conflicts involving countries far away. Hence, the mention of the George Bush remark that makes people think that there're only 2 approved options: (1)Be a patriot, support war. (2)You're a terrorist-loving traitor.

Using the money to fix cancer can be patrotic and one does not have to be a terrorist-loving traitor to suggest that. Again, far more people die from cancer in USA than from 9/11, 7/7 and 3/11 combined.

I already mentioned the third option in Singapore. He was ridiculed, bankrupt and is pretty much living in exile now.

Anonymous said...

I am very sure that netizens who frequent sites like Lucky's are informed enough not to be daft with their votes. Contrary to what we might think, the Malaysians were more wired than us. We are still living in a cocooned world of CC, RCs,grassroot leaders and MSN, all of which is controlled by the ruling party. Unless the general public understands that their vote is not about less assets(their flats, upgrading and bonus payment, the opposition do not stand a chance. Here is where action will speak louder than words. It is so easy to put your views in the comments section but all I ask is for you to convince a few people who have no access to internet to carefully consider their choice. Explain to them why we need opposition to question the policies which affect our lives. Explain to them that we are being robbed by legal curruption by having the world highest paid politicians. Explain to them that there is no accountability to our reserves. Exlain to them...and let then decide. Let them make a informed decision...what ever it might be. This is a hundred times better than just posting comments.

Anonymous said...

"I already mentioned the third option in Singapore. He was ridiculed, bankrupt and is pretty much living in exile now."

a brief elaboration?

if you don't have a system that brings out characters like thaksin or abhisit into power, there won't be today's political turmoil.

and how many leaders do you need to question the pap?


you only need a loud mouth like lky type to do the job - in today's information age, it is easy to get the message through to enough people to make a difference.

Anonymous said...

What has the pap done to improve the lots of the average Singaporeans in the last 10 years ?
Nothing much.
Instead they have made lives difficult for the average Singaporeans by importing huge numbers of foreigners. So average Singaporeans ended up having to work harder and for less. They ended having to pay more for their housing which were pegged to the market rate. In the old days, there was the queue system and flats from the government were priced at cost plus. In those days those who get a flat from the government pay much less than prices in the secondary market. After the 5 years restrictions, many ended making some good profit. So GCT moved to restrict Singaporeans to "two bites of the cherry." Now they don't even have half a bite.
Over the years the pap government has moved towards making Singaporeans pay for the full market prices of almost everything including government servcies. Government departments are run as profit centre rather than cost centre.
Male Singaporeans have to serve NS while foreigners don't have do. Singaporeans are also discriminated in many other areas like some scholarships were restricted to foreigners and without bonds. All government scholarships offered to Singaproeans come with a bonded.
I can go on and on on how the lives of average Singaporeans have deteriorated over the last 10 - 20 years.

Anonymous said...

Come on, we should give the opposition a chance. If you don't give someone a chance or an opportunity, how would you ever expect them to prove themselves? Is it not the case that PAP had to start from somewhere?

Here's the crux of the problem for LHL. It's two fold. First, he lacks popularity. He comes into politics with the baggage of his father's mistakes and previous good decisions. It's a package. There is a large group of non-PAP supporters since the day LKY seized power. You can see that when his son became PM recently in 2006, the votes significantly dipped from a GCT's previous low of 70% to LHL's low 60%. There isn't much he can do about this. There are a lot of die-hard non-PAP supporters who simply can't vote because of too many walkovers. And given the few contesting seats in the last 2006 elections, PAP under LHL's new leadership managed to garner a low 60% of the votes. This would be even worse had not GCT been made Senior Minister and LKY still lingers with the background votes of his supporters. There are certain things that I admire of LKY and other things that I despise of him. I feel that he has lost his golden touch. Many of the old guards have retired but him. With all due respect, he has past his prime. He should retire and truly allow the younger Singaporeans to move on. PAP needs to be aware that Singapore will survive the PAP's brand of propaganda in due course. LHL got his chance in his first election as PM and he blew it. He could not make an impression to the younger populace. He did employed snazzy jargons, which is a good and quick way to take on the masses at one go. But nonetheless, he failed to deliver his promises and broke a few a long the way. I am worrying out loud here. When you have a family running a country, you get individuals who are living in a bubble as many people and family members will reinforce his bubble. From another perspective, LHL is a fine example of confucian values. He paid homage to his father by keeping him still in politics. But the tides of this new generation is not towards confucian values anymore. It is a society that not only prioritises respect for each other (a value that many PAP leaders do not exhibit), but also personal liberties and freedom. It is not far-fetched to see why many derogatory remarks and condescending words have been slurred onto the native Singaporean voters. This is because many MPs who slithered into parliament through the GRC backdoor, found themselves not needing to fight for their seats or for that matter, polish their emotional intelligence. So you get the sort of dry and somewhat detached MPs speaking. Or to be more accurate, not speaking much at all. They never had to campaign.

Second, the PAP government screwed up too much and too many times. Thre is just too many mistakes over the years. One the reasons is that the faults of previous decade old policies are visible today.

The sudden influx of 36% foreigners into Singapore is a very serious error that is a result of the mismanagement of past ministerial team. We are now reaping the outcome of their imposed 2-child policy. Today, Singapore is seeing the bad effects of this significant policy.

The many billions of dollars pumped into the bioomedical industry is also another undesireable move. This is because we are realizing that we are too small to provide the necessary sample testing for these concerned companies to do their research. This is another serious misprojection.

(cont'd)

Anonymous said...

(cont'd)

The casino policy was not rigorously debated in parliament. It was easy to pass the then R21 films as it was now to pass the casino debate. Many religious communities and younger Singaporeans do not look to the government for moral leadership today. For instance, they have offered too many inconsistent reasons for opening the floodgates to the cheap uncalibrated FTs that it is no longer a small matter as it is causing a lot of social tensions and upheaval deep in the Singaporean hearts. Going to work each morning is a stark reminder of where really does the native Singaporean stands. Every time a Singaporean male is called up for reservist to protect his Chinaman, Indiaman, Pinays and his Malaysian colleagues, he leaves his desk empty in their presence. He is left wondering why he is defending these people. This issue is not going to end by this year's election alone. It is here to stay for a long time, especially so in a densely populated island. It will continue after the 2010/2011 election. I forsee more articles in the Straits Times championing or sensationalising FTs after the elections. Unless PAP does the radical thing, i.e. apologise for their amissed policies, (the fundamental problem is that PAP government believes that by not admitting one's mistake, no mistakes ever existed, hence no accountability would ever be required). I don't see their votes rising from the last 2006 election and this trend will continue for some time. It is not an over-stretch as more than 30% of the Singapore public did not vote for the PAP's way of doing things in the last election alone given the smaller number of the population that did had the opportunity to vote. Nonetheless, it would be presumptuous to say that they would lose power to control our lives by the very design of their policies. This would only happen if the opposition come together as a united front. It would paint that the Singaporean Dilemma, is at best, no longer tolerable. You have to admit. Singaporeans are bored and fed up with the present government. It is not surprisng then that we hear that many of today's parents' concenrns are about values education in school. We have a weak values education. And if the old saying: "As is the ruler, so is the ruled" has any ounce of truth in it, we can see why this is the case from gleaming the ungracious episodes of PAP politics and the at times, how the government talk to the Singaporean electoree. Locking up creative views that by their very nature are dissenting and renaissant and calling Singaporean voters daft are only a few of the many episodes in the PAP ungracious acts which young impressionable minds would unwittingly emulate. Where have we really gone wrong, my dear government? We practically followed you guys all the way and today we are called "daft". Something is terribly wrong. There is an elephant sitting in the living room and nobody says a word about it. To treat the opposition as if they are any less Singaporean than the rest of us speaks undesirably loudly the contradictions of the government late mantra in the 90s: Every Singaporean matters. Has this been true? In this coming election, the PAP government would be sitting in parliament without a strong mandate from native Singaporeans. Some MPs would unsuspectedly lose their seats. People are queuing up to wait for the future to happen.

Regards
Truthisagreatoffeder is an independent thinker and loves his chinese, malay, indian, arab and sikh Singaporeans. He writes his own blogs in his freetime.

Anonymous said...

Well said, Anon 2:43 and 14:36.

Anonymous said...

Today, the PAP government is provoking the Singaporean.

Anonymous said...

It is a joke that these people are preaching for productivity. We have 1 MM, 2SMs, 2DPMs and two MPMO to do the job which was traditionally done by 1PM and at most 2 DPMs. Call that productivity. Since the old man claimed that they need to be paid to much because they handle billions in trade, someone should calculate their productivity rate based on GDP or trade against their salary compared with other first world country. Than we will know how we have been ripped off by legal corruption.

Anonymous said...

I hope the opposition will belittle their claims for honesty, accountability and transparency by challenging them to declare their assets as is required in most democracies. This must be the call by all singaporeans. I doubt they ever will.

Anonymous said...

I always wonder why no one has ever asked LKY how much he and his family is worth. Anyone care to estimate. I guess between him, his wife, sons, daughter and daughter-laws, they must be able to make the forbes list if they worth was disclosed. The HPL saga also suggested that they also speculate in property. I guess how many property they own would not be public information and the latest law which gives them protection from private investigation certainly shield them from public scrutiny.How brilliant,that why they are paid millions.

Anonymous said...

"It is a joke that these people are preaching for productivity. We have 1 MM, 2SMs, 2DPMs and two MPMO to do the job which was traditionally done by 1PM and at most 2 DPMs. Call that productivity."

This reminds me of what Lim Swee Sway said about: "...cheaper, faster and better...".

Why is the government not setting an example? Yes, this million dollar salary is obviously LKY's idea 'cos he stood up tp defend it. I hope you guys know that the Estate Duty tax has been outlawed by legislation recently so that we will never know how much LKY has in his pockets. This much I know that it makes his balls big enough to call me "daft".

Yours truly,

Dafty Duck (no it's not Daffy Duck 'cos I'm a truly LKY-bred Singaporean duck)

Anonymous said...

It must be in the billions.

Anonymous said...

Heard the ho jinz earns more than her hubby and father-in-law. Not bad for a engineer who started with no investment experience.

Anonymous said...

My dear Singaporeans,

I worry that the million dollars that we pay the PAPist will be used agaisnt us someday. When they started paying themselves that much, we also saw them suing the opposition like there's no tomorrow.

We're in trouble people.

Anonymous said...

26/2/10 13:59

I quote:
"you only need a loud mouth like lky type to do the job - in today's information age, it is easy to get the message through to enough people to make a difference."

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To which I reply, and urge people to think for themselves:

The false left-right paradox: Is it possible the "message" and action of voting opposition actually serve the ruling party's interests?

Anonymous said...

I am voting against the PAP.

When I was a uni student, I saw thousands of PRC and Indian and Indonesian students on campus, most on Singapore's taxpayers monies.

I did my NS. My father did NS. I got zilch. I was in financial difficulties. The university refused to help me. They had money for prostituting themselves to foreigners, but had no money to help genuine hardship cases.

Now I am working. I totally refuse to donate money to my university. I spit on them for scorning me when I was poor.

The foreigners are only here to take us for a ride, just as PAP ministers are just here to earn fat salaries at our expense, while doing little of real public service.

I am voting against PAP.

Anonymous said...

Many retirees invested in Structure products with names of big corporations being name as Reference Entities such as "Temasek,Spore Telecom and names of big local bank which are being used to lure innocent investors. In the end investors lost every cts because of the underlying toxic companies that went bust ! Angry ? You bet ! Did MAS help ? No !

Anonymous said...

The mass media DOES NOT perpetuate the message that PAP is an excellent choice. There is NO pro-PAP message. There is NO anti-opposition message.

The real lie perpetuated on a sub-consious level: that you can influence the result in a game rigged in favour of the puppet master.

The mass public must UNLEARN the doctrine that elections bring about change.

Onlooker said...

The Dirtiest Words In The PAP Vocabulary
is Disruption.

extracted(favourite part lah)
"Singapore is permanently plugged into the free world of practising democracies where virtually all member countries accept that disruption is the price to be paid for adopting a political system which, despite its flaws, is arguably the best that society has so far devised. To get rid of disruption is to go against the prevailing consensus and invite dismay, disapproval and criticism. It cannot be a very pleasant thing, in international surveys on press freedom and civic liberties, to regularly get a low ranking from one’s fellow democratic practitioners."

One would have to stand on the shoulder of giants to see the world through their vantage point.

Onlooker said...

above is extracted from catherinelim.sg

Anonymous said...

Change is what the papists fear most. Change will destroy the obscene luxurious lives of the papists.
Change is death to the papists.
Change will adjust the lopsided way wealth is distrubuted in Singapore. Change will improve the quality of lives of average Singapores.
Change will rejunevation Singapore and Singaporeans.
Vote for Change Vote Opposition

Anonymous said...

Anon 17:00!

I am also paying my tuition fee loan. Fucking assholes! They pay for those Indian, Chinese and Indonesian scholars and offer them places in hostels with lower points. And I'm poor and left struggling to pay my tuition fees with interest. Do you think this is far? My Indian scholar friend was bonded for years. I know this cos I was his guarantor. In fact, I was the guarantor for 2 Indian scholars. Now, I fucking regret doing that for these assholes. I'd rather do it for my fellow Singaporeans. 6 years later, I and many of my friends are still paying. Those scholars have completed their bonds and left Singapore. I can only say this: KNN CCB. We are poor Singaporeans and the government charge us interests when they give us loan. They're not helping us. They're capitalising on our poverty to make money out of it. Hey Anon 17:00, I, too do not donate to the universities. In fact, they called me last February to solicit donations and I told them: You got to be kidding me! I'm still paying what I owe you. Not only did you capitalise on my poverty to make money? You have the audacity to ask me for a donation. Mind you, many countries in Europe such as Norway, Germany, Austria, etc. have governments paying for their country university education till PhD levels. Fuck the national reserves that we have lah! The government need more than a bribe or a lift upgrading to get all my friends and me to vote for them. I rather to hell, then vote for their hypocrisy.

Anonymous said...

obviously there are a lot of grievances - true or false, valid or invalid - against the PAP.

all the more, the political model must change to address and account for all these grievances.

the opposition, i reiterate, is ineffective as it is basically self serving in nature - be reminded that the incumbent was once an opposition.

sgcynic said...

"the opposition, i reiterate, is ineffective as it is basically self serving in nature - be reminded that the incumbent was once an opposition."

Whether the opposition is self serving remains to be seen; on the other hand, we see clearly what the incumbent is.

Which would you choose then - a failure (who refuses to admit and learn from mistakes) or an untested fellow?

Kojakbt said...

This is what PM Lee has promised us 4 years ago about how IRs can help Singaporeans:

http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/sp/PMspeech/PM%20lee%20NDR%20in%20mandarin.pdf

At the National Day Rally speech on 20 Aug 2006, PM Lee said, “One example is the Marina Bay IR project. The IR will create over 30,000 jobs, with 10,000 in the resort, and another 20,000 in other hotels, restaurants and shopping malls. There will be a wide range of jobs available, including jobs at the top-end and jobs for ordinary workers. These jobs are suitable for both young and old Singaporeans.”

Note that only 5,000 jobs were created for the Marina Bay IR as announced by Sands but I think that’s still fine. However, read the last sentence. He promised that “these jobs are suitable for both young and old Singaporeans”. He did not mention PRs then.

So, if Marina Bay IR employs less than 50% real Singaporeans, isn't PM lee breaking his promise? Can we still trust him?

What do you guys think?

Anonymous said...

It is true, the number of people reading alternative views like these are just a fraction of the population. Your debates and views will have very negligible impact as far as readership is concern. The only way to help more people, more fellow citizens to be more savy is to email sites like this to as many friends and relatives as possible.

Remember, you are helping your close ones to be informed for the better and be influenced less by the propaganda organs of the you know who in sg.

Not just this site alone but also respectable sites like online citizens and temasek review.

runroad said...

He had it all worked out 54 years ago, and so began the dream that turned into poison for all but a handful of elite Singaporeans. Looking back today, older and wiser, we now know that he has brought every single one of these chilling, prophetic words to life:

"Repression, Sir is a habit that grows. I am told it is like making love - it is always easier the second time!

• The first time there may be pangs of conscience, a sense of guilt. But once embarked on this course with constant repetition you get more and more brazen in the attack.

• All you have to do is to dissolve organizations and societies and banish and detain the key political workers in these societies. Then miraculously everything is tranquil on the surface.

• Then an intimidated press and the government-controlled radio together can regularly sing your praises, and slowly and steadily the people are made to forget the evil things that have already been done,

• or if these things are referred to again they're conveniently distorted and distorted with impunity, because there will be no opposition to contradict."

- Lee Kuan Yew as an opposition PAP member speaking to David Marshall, Singapore Legislative Assembly, Debates, 4 October 1956

Does anyone here seriously believe that the PAP machinery is still capable of doing a U-turn after a half-century of marching obediently to the commandments laid down above? Are there really Singaporeans so naive as to believe PAP promises? Long, long buried by the trappings of power are the pangs of conscience. The intoxicating scent of endless wealth has erased any lingering sense of guilt.

It's GE time and that means it's Showtime. Rest assured that whatever minor concessions are made, whatever goodies are offered, they will all be clawed back, with interest, once the votes are safely counted. Time after time, this political party and in particular its geriatric leader has shown nothing but the greatest contempt for citizens with every brazen word and deed. Let us finally in this election send them a message, "Enough is enough" and throw them out on their arrogant ear once and for all.

Anonymous said...

Hi anon 0.22, PM said Singaporeans are 'suitable' for the jobs. But he did not say Singaporeans will be hired! He chose his words carefully.

He did not promise anything.

We have to be careful and alert when listening to them.

Anonymous said...

Anon 8:12 am

Ya lah, the govt also cannot force or control the IRs to hire more Singaporeans what even if they are very suitable, right or not?

All these are market forces at work, just like the sky high HDB and resale flat prices. The govt also said they cannot control what.

Of course you folks can control through your vote but can you if the opposition want to give a very nice present of 50% walkovers to PAP?

Anonymous said...

"Which would you choose then - a failure (who refuses to admit and learn from mistakes) or an untested fellow?"

in sg context, failure or success is subjective because the system generally works for most people. it also helps that the gov is not resting on its laurel but constantly seeking out ways to improve and remain relevant but at the same time, helping the marginalized cope with the changing world.

as for the untested, they have no revolutionary ideas that are appealing.

so what choice? i rather watch the leaves on trees.

Anonymous said...

The younger generation had, and would vote for the incumber.
But this time round may be different. The sky rocketing "affordable HDB" has put-off a lot of them.

Kojakbt said...

>>Remember, you are helping your close ones to be informed for the better and be influenced less by the propaganda organs of the you know who in sg.

Singapore’s household broadband penetration rate is nearly 100% meaning that nearly every household has broadband internet access:

http://www.contactsingapore.sg/young_pro/live/communications/

Hence, in every household, someone is on the net. Reach out to these people and let them tell their family members of some of the alternative happenings that are not being carried by mainstream media. We can reach 100% of Singaporeans.

As it is, there is a good rebuttal made by Kenneth Jeyaratnam against some of the Tharman's budgetary comments but as usual, this would not be highlighted by SPH. Pls pass on the info and let Singaporeans know:

http://www.temasekreview.com/2010/02/26/kenneth-jeyaretnam-demolishes-finance-tharmans-assertion-that-foreigners-help-raise-the-wages-of-singaporeans/

Alan Wong said...

The foreign talent policy advocated by our Govt is just a fallacy.

Those who have worked in HR departments will know that most graduates holding degrees from India and Phillipines Universities are actually equivalent to our Polytechnics diploma and certificate standard only, nothing outstanding really.

And if you look at the past job experience from these so called foreign talents, many are simply cheaper imports to lower the costs of hiring only, much to the detriment of locals.

Foreign talents > more jobs for locals, my foot !

We are just being conned by our own PAP Ministers.

Kojakbt said...

>>PM said Singaporeans are 'suitable' for the jobs. But he did not say Singaporeans will be hired! He chose his words carefully.

I see. So, he is actually saying, "...These jobs are suitable for both young and old Singaporeans. BUT I WILL LEAVE THE IRs TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS IF THEY WANT TO HIRE SINGAPOREANS." ?

LOL!

Kojakbt said...

>>Ya lah, the govt also cannot force or control the IRs to hire more Singaporeans what even if they are very suitable, right or not? All these are market forces at work, just like the sky high HDB and resale flat prices. The govt also said they cannot control what.

Sometimes, you wonder what are they capable of controlling other than raising their own salaries? LOL!

>> Of course you folks can control through your vote but can you if the opposition want to give a very nice present of 50% walkovers to PAP?

I would urge upright and capable Singapore citizens that if there is going to be a walkover in your ward, stand up and run as an independent for the sake of Singapore's future.

Kojakbt said...

>> Alan Wong: Those who have worked in HR departments will know that most graduates holding degrees from India and Phillipines Universities are actually equivalent to our Polytechnics diploma and certificate standard only, nothing outstanding really.

I'm in the IT industry myself. I would also like to highlight to all here that many of the degrees from India and Philippines can be fake. You have to really test them.

Here’s an article highlighting the fact that there are many fake Indian IT CVs in the markerplace:

http://dqindia.ciol.com/content/spotlight/2009/109030602.asp

Quote:
“According to a recent KPMG report, one of every four CVs in the Indian tech space is fake. Also, six of every ten fake CVs have a direct or indirect link to Hyderabad.”

Anonymous said...

Alan Wong 10.59 & Kojakbt 11.15

Please note that the best FTs may not want to come here.

So it is a matter of choosing what is best available to us. If those FT degree is only equivalent to our poly diploma or even fake, what choice do we have but to choose the best from among the junk? We need the numbers because Singaporeans no enough and also not cheap.

Not much different from karung guni men salvaging best items from the junkyard!! Hahaha.

Anonymous said...

The link below to The Pinky And Bunny Show explains a lot about Structure, Power and Agency. The propaganda and indoctrination of the minds of the citizenry does not happen overnight. We all went through this since young and has more or less accepted what appears to be the norm and our children and their children too are slowly being drawn into this web of deceit. Watch this and other progams as they are very enlightening especially one about Idealogy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHGaH-7wq6M

Anonymous said...

before i was anti pap but after reading all the oppostion propaganda, i became pro govt again- well, almost. LOL

must be the work of PAP moles. LOL

Anonymous said...

One would be foolish to pay attention or listen to what PAP says. Instead look at their actions. The budget is the latest example of this.

Quite surprised there are still people who believe that PAP has now woken up and threading a different path from the past. Fools...

Anonymous said...

LOL

you so jealous LOL

Anonymous said...

I don't dare to vote against PAP.

The old man has mentioned before that if we have a freak elections results, aka PAP loses, he will call in the troops.

Many PAP leaders were generals or admirals. Many in the old man's immediate family hold key positions in the government or police force.

Do we really want Operation Cold Store 2?

Think carefully before you vote against PAP.

Anonymous said...

PAP will make you walk in the middle of Orchard Road in a chicken suit if you vote against them.

Vote Wisely!!

Anonymous said...

Who is afraid of that silly old man call Lee Kuan Yew ?
He always talks nonsence. How to take what he said seriously.
The ISD which is nothing more than a LKY' lapdog, are toothless tiger. They cannot even keep Mas Selamat securely locked up. They cannot even lay their finger on Rony Tan. They are useless.

Anonymous said...

100!Yeh!

ISD watching you like a hawk!

Be afraid, be very afraid!

Vote wisely, vote PAP!!

Anonymous said...

I say we vote out the PAP and end the entire sorry saga. And then the spineless PAP dogs on this blog will have no masters. Btw your ISD ex-chief does not seem very fond of the LKY regime either. So your sorry aimless dogs get lost!

Anonymous said...

Lee Kuan Yew's wife is in coma and useless. Lee Kuan Yew will join him soon Lee Hsien Loong has a relapsed of his cancer and thus need so many other ministers to carry his work loads. He has a bed in his office, so that he can take afternoon naps. He just cannot take the pressure of being PM. That is why his performance is below par - mediocre.
There is another faction in the pap led by some liberal ministers who are going after these two pap dead woods. When they are gone, ISD will be purged and all the Lee-loyalist will be jailed for commiting illegal crimes against Singaporeans.
Don't believe.
Just watch and see.
Lee Kuan Yew will be dead within 5 years.

Anonymous said...

You never know, he may be dead within 5 months?

Anonymous said...

i am sick and tired of hearing PAP propaganda on FT. Now they hoodwinked singaporeans, telling us that they appreciated singaporeans, after decades of abuse by the PAP, our rights as a singaporean was trampled, the old man told us to be grateful that our daughters and wife do not have to go abroad to work as maids, he told us that the New citizen frm china are forever so grateful to the pap while singaporean are not.

it is time we throw out the pap government, wasted our tax payers money on bank purchases losing billion of our hard earn money,

itis just like a gambler who do not want to spend any money on his family but rather on gambling, PAP is no different from a gambler,

They gambled away our future , not willing to spend our money on social causes, like support for the aged, the unemployed

One in three singaporean is a foreigner, how can we survived this screwup, it is high time that we must throw out pap

Kojakbt said...

>> "...the old man told us to be grateful that our daughters and wife do not have to go abroad to work as maids, he told us that the New citizen frm china are forever so grateful to the pap while singaporean are not.

Bro, just to add, the old man also told us: If native Singaporeans are falling behind because "the spurs are not stuck into the hide," that is their problem.

We voted in a Govt that brings in millions of FTs helping to depress our salaries till we can't survive, and now comes and tells us that it's our problem???

Incredible!

Anonymous said...

GIC converts UBS notes into shares, suffers paper loss of US$5b

this is what foreign talents brings
loss of 5 billion, just the tip of the iceberg

PAP , wake up, bring in more foreign talent at your peril

Anonymous said...

sins of PAP

1. Foreign talents
2. GIC lost billions of dollars
in UBS, Citibank, and many other
3. Putting down singaporean for speaking up against foreigner
4. suppressing singaporeans from taking part in political process
5. Banishing singaporean of their homes that they had to seek refuge overseas, eg. tan liang hong, tan wah piow, francis seow , devan nair,
6. Jailing of Chia thye poh, lim hock siew, Poh siew kai, for donkey years without trial
7.paying themselves with million of dollars while normal singaporean are barely surviving
7. Graduate mother scheme
8 .Two child policy
9. Insisting of learning of mother tonque of chines
10. I could go on listing