Sunday, April 25, 2010

What the next General Election is about....

There is plenty of speculation on the date of the coming GE. The next GE has to be held by Feb 2012 but the govt usually times it such that it is held earlier when 'the ground is sweet'. It is likely to be within the next 9 months and the 1st possible window is in Sept 2010 after the YOG. While the PAP leaders probably already have the date and backup dates in mind, the opposition parties are left with the disadvantage of having to allocate limited resources without knowing when actual date is. Many have started their walkabouts in areas where they expect the most heated election battles to be fought. Based on various accounts, the membership in opposition parties has increased and this will be the most widely contested election in recent years.


Unlike other countries, our media does not conduct opinion polls to track the support level for the govt so the electorate is an uncertainty. One thing I'm quite certain about is the support for the PAP among the younger voters has declined considerably compared with 4 years ago when the last election was held. 4 years ago, if you sit with a group of young people, you may sense some dissatisfaction among them but they were still willing to give the govt some time to bring about positive changes and 'remake' Singapore. These days, it is hard to miss the frustration and anger among this group of voters. The anger and frustration come from very real problems such as rising cost of housing, overcrowding, increased competition from foreigners and work stress. It is not the problems alone that cause this frustration but the PAP govt denials and refusal to solve them add to rising anger. When HDB prices escalated, Minister Mah's approach was to deny they are expensive insisting that they are affordable instead of fixing the problem. The PAP denied any negative impact of massive foreign influx asking Singaporeans not to be 'small minded' and blamed Singaporeans for not being able to integrate well with foreigners[Link]. It is very clear that if the PAP govt is voted in without significant opposition representation, it will be more of the same - the much need changes that many Singaporeans look forward to will not come.


The PAP and the Singapore media are very good at portraying the alternative views and opposition parties as something from the fringe. The PAP is mainstream and all else are ill considered wild ideas that are unworkable . After years of conditioning many Singaporeans find it hard to think outside the framework the PAP cleverly uses to make its ideologically driven ideas acceptable to Singaporeans. It is actually the PAP that is non-mainstream and extreme in its policy making - constantly passing the risk and financial burdens to ordinary Singaporeans to create an environment favorable for govt-linked businesses. Its policies created the highest income gap in the developed world and a growing underclass struggling within our society. I'll go through one or two examples to illustrate this and later discuss why the need for change has become urgent.


2 decades ago, Singaporeans were told there was a need to bring in foreign expertise lacking in our workforce. That was the start of the Foreign Talent policy which morphed into a totally different animal today. In the past few years, the PAP govt opened the floodgates to cheaper foreign workers mainly from China and India for all types of jobs to pander to the demand of businesses here. The large number eventually stretch our infrastructure and caused our housing market to overheat. In terms of numbers per capita no other govt in the world even come remotely close to what the PAP allowed into Singapore in the past 5 years- the only countries with such huge influx are middle eastern states where the indigenous population sits comfortably on top of imported labor not compete against them for a living. It is not enough for the PAP pursue this policy that makes life tough for Singaporeans, they have to invent justifications that put the blame on Singaporeans for large influx - Singaporeans are too fussy to take up the jobs, fertility rate is too low and so on. Most of these are bogus, for example the low fertility rate of Singaporeans today has nothing to do with the need to import adult workers today because our current workforce was born 20-40 years ago when the fertility rate was much higher. The low fertility rate today can only be fixed by importing babies or workers 20 years from now. The real reason, I believe, for the huge influx is the PAP has run out of ideas to keep our GDP growing and resorted to opening the flood gates to cheap workers as a brute force approach to growth through population expansion. Many ordinary Singaporeans are made to suffer the consequences of depressed wages and greater competition. Our already large income gap got worse and we are seeing a rising underclass among the bottom 30% of our population.


The PAP approach to transport, healthcare and education is to keep its own expediture low and get Singaporeans to shoulder as much financial burden as possible. If the income gap in Singapore in is low, the approach may actually work. However, we with our income gap, it means that much of these resources/services, say healthcare, are allocated to those who are able to pay while those need it most from the low middleclass and below have to suffer very high financial strain. The COE system means that a car ownership may be given to a multi-millionaire's son for dating while a lower middleclass father of 3 with a disabled parent cannot afford to own one. The approach to make each Singaporean shoulder his own healthcare cost might work (although not well) if the income disparity is narrower however with the huge income gap, the top 5% can drive up cost by demanding the best most exclusive care while the middleclass are finding it harder catch up with the rising cost. This cost spiral is worsened by the PAP govt's aim to increase profits of the healthcare sector by bringing in rich overseas patients - if you go to a govt restructured hospitals such as Changi[Link to advertisement to market to foreign patients], you can find international health services offering healthcare to foreigners while there are insufficient beds for Singaporeans[Link] and the high cost of treatment has forced some Singaporeans to seek treatment in poorer developing countries such as Malaysia[Link]. The same minister responsible for this situation once suggested that Singaporeans send their aged parents to nursing homes in Malaysia because the cost of nursing homes in Singapore has escalated beyond what many can afford[Link] due to the scarcity of land....yet no PAP leader has ever suggested converting golf courses that occupy close to 1400ha of land, the equivalent of 2200 football pitches[Link] to hospitals for the sick, public housing for the poor and nursing homes for the old because our elites enjoy hitting a ball into a hole.

We cannot continue with the current policy directions of the PAP govt because the income gap grown to the point that makes many of the PAP policies unworkable i.e. a large segment of the populace will be worse off. We cannot expect any change from the PAP to bring about more balanced policies because their interests are diversified beyond that of ordinary Singaporeans to a complex network of business interests linked to the power-elites in govt. Balance in policy making will come only when the interests of ordinary Singaporeans are more strongly represented in parliament. The opposition parties offering alternative ideas are not taking us to the fringe but towards the center from the fringe where we are now located.

15 years ago, Singaporeans accepted the semi-authoritarian govt because other asian countries were either under strongman leadership (dictators) or military rule. Singapore was ahead in terms of political progress. However, after the Asian crisis, countries like South Korea and Indonesia became full blown democracies almost overnight and Singapore's authoritarianism start to look more out of place. The PAP made very weak attempts to address this by 'opening up slowly' (read very slowly, at a pace that ensures PAP's hegemony). In the previous elections 33.3% of those who had the chance to cast their votes, voted against the govt but the GRC system resulted in this group of people being under represented in parliament. My belief is this 33.3% has probably grown to 40% given more people have felt effects of various policies first hand in recent years. The PAP will resort to its usual undemocratic pork barrel politics promising expensive estate upgrading to those who vote for them. They know that Singaporeans work for decades to pay for their homes and estate upgrading which pushes HDB prices up in upgraded estates will attract votes despite the implementation of policies unbeneficial to ordinary Singaporeans. Singaporeans have to look beyond upgrading as a carrot and understand the long term consequences of current policies to make the right choice.

94 comments:

E said...

Thanks a lot Lucky for this pertinent post. It's a timely message before the upcoming GE.

Anonymous said...

Most Singaporeans are cowards at heart.

Your hp rings in the cinema, they are too terrified of a ruckus to tell the irritant to keep quiet.

Some guy eats in the train. Irate commuters only dare to snap photos in secret and post in on Stomp. They don't dare to stand up directly to tell him/her to stop eating in the train.

Many Singaporeans saw JBJ being bankrupted. Instead of rallying around him, they avoided him like the plague.

5 Singaporeans making a stand is an illegal procession. But when 100 Chinamen march down to MOM to demand their salaries, the police don't make a single arrest.

The civil servant, the church-goer, the housewife, the sole breadwinner, are all scared. They are scared that something will go wrong if they cast their vote against PAP.

Regardless of religion, they are more terrified of PAP's displeasure than of their own god.

It is just so easy to bully Singaporeans into submission. From uni student to working adult, they are all too scared to make a stand against foreigners who bully their way into our jobs and varsity places.

We Singaporeans do the hard work of NS, while the foreigners get the bulk of the varsity places, the sports scholarships, the academic scholarships, the better jobs.

Lucky, $10 says that in the coming elections, most Singaporeans will vote FOR PAP!

Angry as they are, Singaporeans are too ball-less to go against PAP.

Ho Ching probably has more balls than 10,000 Singaporean males put together.

Anonymous said...

i have news. From what i hear from friends in the govt, the pap solution to increase productivity is to import more graduates from other countries. =)

Good luck to us. God bless Singapore

Anonymous said...

Every election since 1965, PAP got 60 - 70 plus % of the votes. It never go below 60%.

Why so consistent? Why hah?

Some more in the past few years citizenship is given easily to many foreign "talents" and they are all of voting age. This will help PAP with votes.

So I think quite tough lah for the opposition even I wish them to win.

That's why PAP not scared.

Anonymous said...

A long article but it is the second commenter that understands singaporeans, generally.

As for comparison with others nations, Lucky must be made aware that very few nations in the world had their political landscapes changed by opposition political parties. Read through the recent histories of most countries and you will find that it was always people powers that effected changes. One is now happening in thailand, whether the people succeed this time or not is beside the point.

Putting the understanding of the second commenter and the result of the coming election will fit into the conclusion of the fourth commenter. However, Lucky deserves accolades for his gallant righteous nature. My salute to you sir.

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Anonymous said...

I will vote PAP ad encourage everyone else to do the same. The current system works!

Voting for populist policies as suggested by Lucky Tan will throw the country to the middle ages!, What had 40 years of revolution brought Cuba?? The mafia acheived much more in 4 years influencing Cuba than the communist running it for 40 years.

If certain citizens feel they are struggling to survive, it simply means they are not efficient enough! Get a grip and start moving!

PAP will win because it need to!

Anonymous said...

Romanticism and Idealism won't fill your dinner plate.

Many of these online spoilt children, just go to Temasek Review or ST online forums to find them, are asking for utopia.
There is NO UTOPIA.

And guess what, ALL of you criticising PAP's policies are sitting at home COMFORTABLY in front of a computer, probably the latest model, are a product of those exact policies and party you are criticising. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

This generation of 20 - 35+ yr olds are truly spoilt and God help us all when you guys ruin Singapore by bringing it to anarchy and then suddenly realise.

There is NO UTOPIA.
Sure SG has its faults but its benefits far outweigh its faults.

HDB prices:
For a tiny country like Singapore, land is a valuable commodity. Please compare with Hong Kong to see that Singapore is doing a decent (not perfect) job keeping prices low.

Foreigners:
The abovementioned generation criticising this now will not feel it but their kids will. Expect taxes to rise if the working/tax paying population is not balanced to support the greying population.
Expect high inflation if that restaurant is forced to hire Singaporeans or forced to increase wages as there is no Singaporean willing to take that 'menial' job.
Expect large manufacturing companies and other large MNCs to relocate, causing many SINGAPOREANS to lose their jobs if they cannot find enough people to fill their workforce.
... And you still complain about Pay And Pay???

Change: (I want more freedom to protest)
Many people give the example of Japan's LDP winning after decades of same party rule. But people don't know that Hatoyama belongs to the Japanese equivalent of the Lee family. His father, grandfather and brother are all elite politicians. Japan is a very old country. SG is a toddler compared to Japan. Even if we were to progress at twice Japan's speed, it will still be the next century before we reach the Japan of today.
South Korea, Europe... wow what a wonderful democracy, lots of freedom to protest. Please lah... MRT NEL down for a few minutes and everyone is crying for blood. How long do you think the MRT system will be down if there is an industrial strike by SMRT staff?? Minimum strike duration is 24hrs.

People are our natural resource:
And thus we cannot let it grow haphazardly. Other countries can still afford to loosen their social policing a bit because at the end of the day, their fertile land to grow crops or livestock will be there. Their minerals will be there to be mined.

It is this social stability that foreign companies are setting up shop here. If our society is not managed well, it will take another generation before foreign companies decide to set a regional HQ here, providing the very jobs that YOU are working and earning money at.

Make full use of what you have:
Enjoy Singapore for what it is. As a Singaporean, you can do ANYTHING because most of you have the economic might to do so. You want to live rustic and have kampung feelings, go to Malaysia, I'm sure many can afford a 1st class ticket or one of those classy buses. You want to protest and free your mind, go to Europe or USA and join any one of those 1001 protests happening everyday.

After venting, come back home to Singapore to your comfortable bed, blog about it on your high-end laptop and go to sleep knowing that you won't get shot by robbers the next day.

Anonymous said...

EVERYTHING COMES WITH A BALANCE.
Are you prepared to SACRIFICE everything around you, including your family to live your romantic dream about utopia??

Because whatever all you people are asking for requires whatever that is well and about in your HOME to be sacrificed.

Don't be swayed by all these Western ideals of democracy please! What's wrong with a one party system if it works for us? (not perfectly but decently) We have all the basic human rights of a good meal on our tables, a good roof over our heads and enough for that occasional luxury item. Must you ape the West and worship them? Get real... They couldn't care two hoots if you die.

Yes, be brave and stand up for your rights. But stand up to protect how your home is being run. Be brave to tell these people that you 'eat rice and not potatoes' Our parents did it and I hope that you 20 - 35+ kids do it too. But if you guys are insistent on bringing Singapore down to (apologies) the standard of the Philippines where they 'live' on their romantic ideals of people's power, then I got nothing to say...

I, belonging to this exact 20-35+ yr old generation will vote for the PAP.

Anonymous said...

"Must you ape the West and worship them? Get real... They couldn't care two hoots if you die."

So will the great China and India etc care 3 hoots if we die?

Anyway, the PAP don't even care if we die.

One who also belong in said age bracket

Anonymous said...

To: 26/4/10 01:15 & 26/4/10 01:14

You are in a good position to say how things are but i am sure you do not have a heart of apathy for the lesser ones in our society.

If you are not that well-educated and cannot compete in your economy, today is dooms' day for you. On the other hand, even if you are academically worthy right now, how long will it last if our government cannot sustain it for us through pro-citizens policy.

A long legacy of ruling does not mean progressive success and one good example is the Rome empire which will eventually fall.

In the meantime, may I urge for everyone to get themselves prepared for a rough ride ahead. One small indications is that who say Singapore do not have robbers, only recently is a jewellery shop being robbed of 50K of gold.

This is the first one in many years and just get prepared to witness more and with greater damages.

Anonymous said...

What then ? Is it hopeless ? Should we give up ?

Are we going to continue and let PAP rule Singapore ?

Three issues that PAP irks me:
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(1) We keep saying that HDB flats are becoming unaffordable and yet MBT (PAP) not only denied it but use statistics to prove his point. But he was proven to have lied through his statistics and chart as he had used the base year as 1995 instead of 2006 on his chart.
He remind silent on this and did not apologize. Aaarghh !
Can we trust PAP anymore ?

(2) PAP is becoming more autocratic, self-serving and ignorant through the years ruling SG. Sad to say it has been 50 years already !
It became so arrogant that a minister from the PMO (LSS) declared that PAP are DEAF to ALL criticisms !
How could he said that ? ! It is unbelievable ! Don't he know that criticisms can be good and constructive. Or is he saying to us to shut up, obey and that PAP will do what it likes and only they know what is best for SG. He is an idiot !

(3) Why should PAP ministers be paid SO MUCH ! I agree that to get good men to work and stay, we have to pay good salary. I agree perhaps 2 or 3 times more than the highest paid.

But to pay all our ministers 6 or 7 times more then the world's highest paid it just reckless, illogical and self-serving. I am quite sure that the US President does more and have more responsibilities than our PM.

I hope the younger voters will do something about it !

A ONE party system has to go ! We need a change. Yes, we can !

Anonymous said...

To be very frank. You are very true in saying there is nothing much we can do.

If you think through rational voting can bring about changes it shall be good but I doubt this will be the case. I really doubt our votes can "count" and play an "impact"

Just sit and wait. Only something radical and destructive enough can change it. This is my stand. Although deep in my heart, I still believe in Majulah Singapura.

All Singapore men who had served their country with some heart will understand what I mean and felt.

May god bless Singapore still.

Majulah Singapura!

Anonymous said...

Look at the comments by the guy purporting to be a 20-35+ yr old generation who will vote for the PAP, it's almost a collection of various official PAP lines.

I used to think that Singaporeans are so mindless that they will swallow every piece of PAP-concocted crap that is fed to them by the media and regurgitate them wholesale when confronted the incompetence and vileness of the PAP government.

Now I've realized that it's really an astroturf operation by the PAP internet brigade to fabricate appearance of grassroots support.

It's too obvious. You guys need to do a better job.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:14,

You almost sold me there on until I read your last bit about not being shot by a robber.

I'm a Singaporean working in Tokyo for the last 10 years and allow me to adopt a straight-laced approach in response to that bit.

Singapore is definitely not as safe as Japan in terms of ratio. You won't get a japanese staring at you unlike in Singapore where you might get into trouble because some Ah Beng doesn't like the fact you're might be staring at him, mistakig him for another person. That doesn't happen here in Japan. Yes, there are theft and all but you get a genuine sense of security when you walk the streets at 1.00 a.m. in a red-light district in Tokyo as opposed to Geylang. In Tokyo's Kabukicho's alone, you have lovers, parters and the ordinary Tokyoite going to the eating spots at these red-light districts without fear or reservations. It's like another shopping centre experience. Young Tokyo ladies walk past and in between roads and alleys in Kabuki as freely as a Singaporean lady out at Orchard Road shopping in the afternoon. You won't ever get the average Singaporean girl walking through alleys in Geylang to savour that delicious bee hoon.

That's how safe a feeling that you get. And when you get to that level of safety and civic-mindedness, it saddens me to say Singapore is not as safe as you imagine. Of course, when you start comparing apples with potatoes, Singapore seems better. But you must be made aware that they are much much more safer places than Singapore.

LKYcalledmeDAFT said...

Anonymous 1:15,

Speak for yourself.

When my self-anointed Minister Mentor goes around the world telling me that I'm DAFT, I'm suppose to sit here and take it all in?

Please realise you're talking about a Singapore which is no longer true. It was in the past. Not today.
Today's Singapore is 36% foreigners. More than 1 in 3 Singaporeans are foreigners and we don't know of the less than 2 in 3, how many of them are new citizens?

I don't get you really.

This is a country that bans the sale of chewing gum. How are you to explain to your foreign friends why we ban chewing gum. Think clearly here and don't be just swayed by your sense of loyalty from your up-bringing.

Speaking of up-bringing, this is the only country in the world where your parents can take you to court for not giving them maintenance fees.

This is a country that requires young Singaporean males to protect 36% foreigners. Does that make sense to you? If you want to normalise that conumdrum, I suppose you can make all the 36% become Singaporeans. That'll square the anomaly of why struggling young Singaporean males are "being tekan" for 2 to 2 and half years to protect a foreigner who takes his or her Singaporean counterparts' jobs, simply because they're cheaper, faster and some might say...better.

I don't know which Singapore you're talking about...a bygone Singapore, definitely.

In 40 years of overpowering and overuling the poor masses, have they, the PAP, admitted their errors? Where is the moral bearing of a government that sets up 2 casinos in an tiny island and another gambling addiction centre at the same time?

If we are to be unmindfully thankful to the PAP, where is it that after paying million-dollar salaries (the world's highest paid politicians are in this island, mind you) they still are not able to come up with productive and creative solutions? Casino eh?

The bottomline is simple. Today's PAP is greedy, irresponsible, morally corrupt and above all, untrustworthy.

I don't trust politicians who run a country the way they run a factory.

If you are suggesting that we have limited resources and that's why we are the way we are, let me point to you that you were born to the world, no to an island. The universe is your home.

You need to get your political consciousness raised, dude...and start depatterning yourself from the social and political conditioning that you've been receiving since you were a child from the state media.

Voting for PAP is voting for a party that wants to keep its hegemony as top priority as the people's concerns and interests as a miscellaneous commodity.

Are you a Singapore? Or are you a Singaporean commodity? Today's PAP has classified you as a digit in their GDP.

Anonymous said...

"One party works for us"



One party works for the one party in power. And this one party has put its own interests above those of Singapore and Singaporeans, so that's the brutal truth.

Anonymous said...

I feel safer when I lived in HK and Canada. Looks like someone is just a deaf frog in a tiny well and brainwashed into having Mean World Syndrome.

Anonymous said...

voting for pap is so passe, not to mention daft.

pls don't commit the same mistake our parents and grandparents did - giving pap a blank cheque to do whatever they fancy.

see how it has lead to this - university places filled by foreigners on scholarships,

jobs taken over by foreigners while depressing wages all around,

mrt stuff singaporeans and foreigners like sardines breathing in special concoction of india and china air,

hdb and private property prices go up up up, and best of all,

your cpf money is pap's kitty fund to lose over $5,000,000,000 in the prime minister's wife's shopping spree. you'll never see your money back, promise.

Anonymous said...

The next general election is also about stopping the rut that is the PAP. Beat back the decadent complacency, beat back their sense of entitlement, say no to their pompous lies and hypocrisy that will lead to greater instability and inequality for Singapore... beat it just once, doesn't have to be a big win, just enough to dislodge some deadwood out of PAP politics for good.

Anonymous said...

To many like me (and I hope its many) its about how the system has failed and yet its being covered up with ingenius statictics, new legislature and total disregard to public sentiments. Everyday, I no longer read the news for updated events but hoe things are being covered up by lame excuses. For example the TC councils have the so much surplus money to invest and lose money in toxic shares, enough money to pay 8 months bonus, enough money to so many events oragnised, enough money to have so many billboards put up but yet they cannot have real CCTVs in critical areas because its too expansive. What a joke. The bigger joke is that HDB is "affordable" and the greatest joke is the 8 billon administrative charge reported by Temasek. Yet we do not get any answers, because meritcratically an engineer is the best person to run a billion dollar investment company.

Anonymous said...

"2 decades ago, Singaporeans were told there was a need to bring in foreign expertise lacking in our workforce. That was the start of the Foreign Talent policy which morphed into a totally different animal today."

PAP hung goat heads but sold us dog meat. Yet another painful reminder to the 66.6% why we should never trust PAP.

Anonymous said...

There are much truth in many of the experiences and observations made above.

The Leaders are selfish and greedy, anybody can see for themselves. The Education System under the guidance of the Leaders, have inculcated a even more selfish citizenry that prides on material achievements. Meritocracy and Pragmatism lead to malignant and evil competitions, resulting in this dog eat dog society.
Every man is for him/herself now.

There is little or nothing to talk about parent/child(ren) and sibling relationships. Worse is that most marriages break down and the offsprings in these brokened families end up unable to relate to others.

Are Singaporeans able to relate themselves to neighbours, colleagues and other Singaporeans?
Ask oneself and the answer is quite obvious, then ask oneself again; are You sincere? Look at yourself and get the answer. Then look at the acrimonious relationsip between the Leadrs and the Citizens. How? Very much like the Police and the People. When police are needed and required, they are called upon. When everything is in order, the presence of police becomes an irritant. Why? Because the Police has become a symbol of bad things happening.

RIGHT NOW, MOST CITIZENS ARE CALLING UPON THE LEADERS TO ACT. IT IS SIGN AND SYMBOL OF DESPERATIONS! Is this good?

Materialism is highly touted as achievement and success, hence vices naturally set in. It is especially so when the average citizen is not able to cope up with their material wants when cost of everything are high and escalating relentlessly.

Indeed, we are all guilty of vices of wants. It is true that most of us have more than the neccessities to live by. HOWEVER, THIS LEVEL IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TAUGHT AND EDUCATED TO BE CONTENTED WITH, NOR ACCEPT. In fact, the Leaders of this minnow country want this tiny landmass to equal London, Paris, New York, Milan and maybe Shanghai. How vain should one be?

Singaporeans have been subbliminally inculcated, educated and prodded to lead a material life. Along the way, all virtues and wisdoms of living in the pasr were sidelined or forgottened. WHAT'S FILIAL PIETY, PATRIOTISM, SINCERITY, INTEGRITY AND PROPRIETY??? WHAT' SHAME WHEN GREEDINESS IS CONSIDERED THE IMPETUS TO SUCCESS!

BUT CAN SINGAPOREANS ACHIEVE ANYTHING WHEN THEIR JOBS ARE TAKENED BY FOREIGNERS? WHEN THEIR DAILY EXPENSES ARE PUSHED HIGHER BY THE DAYS?
AND
CONVERSELY INCOMES OF THE PEOPLE(WORKERS) STAGNATE OR SHRINK AND JOBS ARE HAED TO COME BY. LONG WORKING HOURS OF 12 OR LONGER PERIOD ARE THE NORMS. EVEN ESSENTIAL UTILITIES, GOODS AND SERVICES SUCH AS TRANSPORTATION, HEALTHCARES AND EDUCATION COSTS ARE RAISED ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT ANY CONSULTATION OR SEEKING OF VIEWS AND FEEDBACKS FROM THE POLPULACE.

Many have experienced hardships and difficulties and me hopes they will share them with us here.

patriot

http://vonhayek.blogspot.com/ said...

Re Anonymous 26/4/10 01:14

The system of HK and SG is different, HK government respect the sanctity of private property while SG has land Acquisition Act which rob all of us of our land to provide cheap public housing.

Every developed countries including US and UK employed citizen in construction...etc

If no one does it, wages will increase to a point where someone else is willing to take the job.

However, PAP FT policy robs many low educated Singaporean a decent way of earning.

And paying local worker such rate is good for economy, as it transfer money from upper and middle class to the low income group.

Our problem is exactly we use FT for construction and cleaner. We have too much saving which is exactly the reason that fuel the property bubble.

When you don distribute to poor, the elites and government will lay their hands on your pocket.

Singaporean demographic problem is exactly due to FT which depress jobs, increase working hours and job insecurities, and also skyrocketing asset inflation.

Anonymous said...

This is a timely post. The govt probably fears a double-dip recession may occur & more ppl will lose their jobs thus the GE should be this year.

http://vonhayek.blogspot.com/ said...

Re Anonymous 26/4/10 01:15
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"Don't be swayed by all these Western ideals of democracy please! What's wrong with a one party system if it works for us?We have all the basic human rights of a good meal on our tables, a good roof over our heads and enough for that occasional luxury item. Must you ape the West and worship them? Get real... They couldn't care two hoots if you die."
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Its time for you to go back college and study economics 101.

Who do you think are the one who feed you? PAP?

Wrong, its the MNC from western countries, who set up shop and and transfer a large part of their wealth to our local citizen.

Did PAP creates anything, produces anything, or farm our food and tender livestock?

No, almost all GLCs (except maybe Keppel or Semcorp during this period of boom time) are losing money if not of shadow subsidies from PAP, they will be out of biz.

It is those western MNC through their creativity which create meaningful job that you and I have relish.

What is the role of PAP? When the citizen prosper, MNC keep coming in, PAP enrich themselves by property inflation, untaking monopolistic activities such as power, telco, shipping.

Meanwhile, they are shamaless enough the brag how clever they are and there are ppl who believe in them.

lim said...

History shows us that people wants change when they perceived that they have nothing more to lose, and surely, in singapore, that is what is happening..

In the past, singaporeans dream of having their own roof (albeit a 99years leasehold), at least they can call it theirs in their lifetime.., but this is no longer the case, with skyhigh hdb, and salaries that are not keeping pace it...

Is there any sense in continuing to vote for a party that doesn't bring you the good life? That treats you like you are just something that can be used and then discarded once you are of no use to it? That says singaporeans come first, but in reality do the opposite?

I will continue to stay in my country, singapore, for as long as it need to effect a change, but I am also planning for my children to leave and go elsewhere if the status quo remains in 20years time...

Anonymous said...

I will not send my aged parents to JB nursing homes. I will vote for the opposition.

Anonymous said...

"Jewellery shop being robbed of 50K of gold". Sooner or later someone is going to try to rob a bank with a real gun.

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:08,

"Yet we do not get any answers, because meritcratically an engineer is the best person to run a billion dollar investment company."

LOL! How true. They lie to us that it's all meritocracy but apply another standard for themselves. Shouldn't it be the case that when you apply one rule, you apply it coonsistently to everyone.

It's double standards. Below BG YEO will have us believe what meritocracy truly means in Singapore:

"Remember your place in society before you engage in political debate. ... where no distinction is made between the senior and junior party... You must make distinctions - What is high, what is low, what is above,..."

If you vote for PAP's policy, you are saying 'yes' to no politcal discourses for another 5 years.

Anonymous said...

vote wiselee, vote for change, not cheap change!

Anonymous said...

the pap must have done something right. otherwise, how can people like GMS, eat full full already, can cash out his hdb for a tidy PROFIT and aspire to earn close to $200k for serving the people or making them...poorer? lol

stupid pap!! lol

Anonymous said...

You don't have to look far to see that the PAP have run out of ideas in growing Singapore - permitting 2 casinos at one go. Milking money out of other's misery.

Anonymous said...

yeah, farking stupid PAP :)

Anonymous said...

Here is why I will vote for PAP

1. The Opposition hate each other more than they hate PAP's disasterous policies.

The opposition spend more time fighting each other than fighting for the people.


2. Many of us are not affected by the huge influx of FTs.

All my civil servant friends are earning well. All my uni friends in business, accounting, marketing, finance, are also doing well. Same for my pals in insurance and property. That's quite a sizeable chunk of the workforce.

Serve you losers right for studying engineering and science. Maths is a universal language. You don't need to speak fluent English.

That's why we don't face competition from pinoy and ah-tiongs. Even indian nationals don't pose a big threat, since many people have the perception that these group are largely slick-talkers only.

3. The Opposition has no real plan.

PAP screws up so many times. Yet, each time, the opposition fails to prepare their case thoroughly. Heck, the average guy on Lucky Tan site reads more internet news than the vast majority of local opposition.

There's so much ammo to whack PAP. But the opposition always fails to capitalize on it.


4. Singaporeans are cowards at heart.

You know it. The average Singaporean is easily intimidated and indifferent.

Who on earth will stick up for a coward?

I am voting for PAP!

Anonymous said...

Hougang and Potong Pasir residents have already looked past the upgrading carrot many many years ago and continue to do so, to vote for what they believe to be right.

How about you?

Anonymous said...

Compared to 3rd world countries, our living stds are better.

Compared to neighbour countries, our future is brighter.

Compared to housing pricing with japan, new york, london, ours are affordable.


Why you guys keep complaining?
Be grateful & thankful.

I will vote for PAP!

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"All my civil servant friends are earning well. All my uni friends in business, accounting, marketing, finance, are also doing well. Same for my pals in insurance and property. That's quite a sizeable chunk of the workforce.

Serve you losers right for studying engineering and science. Maths is a universal language. You don't need to speak fluent English." - Anon 26/4/10 16:36

People in engineering, whom you called "losers", are also a sizeable chunk of the workforce, science maybe less so.

Moreover, apart from your lucky friends not everyone in those fields you have mentioned are totally unaffected by the government's FT policy.

Hmm... so are you trying to discourage us from voting for the opposition, or are you trying to make us more dulan?

Anonymous said...

anon 17:39

Boy comes back home, tells his mom,..... mom, compared to the worst student in the worst school, i did fantastically, why are you angry.

Dude... I hope you are uneducated. Idiots like you should not be allowed out of secondary school.

Anonymous said...

Anon 17:39 has made several strong points.

I recently met up with my varsity chums at a wedding dinner. All of us, barely graduated two years ago, are doing well. And only two of us were from the engineering stream. All managed to find well-paying jobs within a year.

So, I am not so sure where the unrest is coming from - the SMEs? The retail shops? The restaurants?

I don't think that's enough to swing the electorate to the opposition's favour.

And yes, it is very obvious that the opposition puts in a lot more energy fighting each other than formulating their policies and rebuttals to PAP's highly unpopular policies.

The way the opposition parties conduct themselves and backstab each other, you would imagine that they were secretly helping PAP!

Anonymous said...

I will vote for any opposition if there is one in my constituency. I need my voice to be heard, otherwise I have to swallow every shit the PAP dish out while the whole parliament sits there applauding and agreeing while half asleep.

http://vonhayek.blogspot.com/ said...

Re Anonymous 26/4/10 16:36

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All my civil servant friends are earning well. All my uni friends in business, accounting, marketing, finance, are also doing well....

Serve you losers right for studying engineering and science.....
*******************************

I am a road sweeper turn entrepreneur earning more than 10 million US a year, I wonder why boss bootlicker like you working for other people, are so proud of your friends.

I do not know whats is great deal about being accountant or civil servant that make your sick mind despise engineer.

Your sick idea does nothing only to bring all of your sons to stone age. Allow me to explain.

You have no idea all you accountant, ,banker and civil servant enjoy so much luxury.

The reason is because engineers manage to turn junk, sands, air and whatever useless in your backyard into something wonderful.

Put you and friends in stone age I bet you soon become savage beast because you cannot do anything to help all yourself out.

Put 1000 engineers in stone age, within 10 years they are going to build a 21 century cities just as engineers have built post-WW2 Germany and Japan out of debris.

If everyone thinks engineer are loser like you do, sooner all of us is going to live in cave.

anjrot.com said...

good post man thanks GBU....


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Anonymous said...

Dear Singaporean mind,

I think this is a very insightful article that hits the right points.

I just want to add that the low fertility rate is also a result of the stop at two policy

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Lucky

Wake up. Even if 66% of the population supports the Worker's Party, PAP will still win!
Cos the WP dun have enough resources to contest the GE!
Dun take my word for it. Ask Sylvia Lim and Mr Low!!!

Not only are you anti-religionist, you are also an idealist stuck in an ivory tower that is even more isolated than the one housing PAP!

Unfortunately, as Mr Tan Kin Lian points out, you are, relatively speaking, one of the most articulate voice the opposition has to offer. And you have dun have to sell your HDB to contest in the GE.

If you really care about your children's future, then its time that you stand up to be counted.

Or our children's only dream will be to find work as maids for Ah Nehs/Ah Tiongs!

Anonymous said...

I bet there are more people who read Lucky Tan's blog and Temasek Review than those who visit the websites of the opposition parties.

That's how pathetic the opposition is, in harnessing the power of the Internet. It also shows their lack of preparation for the elections.

Anonymous said...

"so many billboards put up but yet they cannot have real CCTVs in critical areas because its too expansive."

Those expensive jokers can even put our lesser mortals life into danger by using fake camera ! Whereas they use real camera to protect the MIW ? Did they use fake camera too for Mas Selamat's prison too ?

Did LKY use fake gurkhas to protect him and his family ? If not, why should lesser mortals can fake protection ?

Anonymous said...

anon 17:39 is probably right.

the situation here is not as bad as what the oppositions have us believe. standard of living here is good and generally affordable. nevertheless, people complain not because things here are "unaffordable" - except maybe for luxury items - but because they want more money in their pockets or stretch their dollar further. though there will be those who are struggling to make ends meet, the number are not substantial enough to topple the government.

so what are all these noises in the net about?

it's about power and for some, aspire to to be our next government.

if so, we should be worried.

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"I recently met up with my varsity chums at a wedding dinner. All of us, barely graduated two years ago, are doing well. And only two of us were from the engineering stream. All managed to find well-paying jobs within a year.

So, I am not so sure where the unrest is coming from - the SMEs? The retail shops? The restaurants?" - Anon 26/4/10 19:08

I don't understand your line of reasoning.

Your friends are OK means that the whole Singapore is OK?

And what do you mean by "only two of us were from the engineering stream"?

What is with this insulting tone about engineers?

Is engineer-bashing a new trend among government supporters?

"The way the opposition parties conduct themselves and backstab each other, you would imagine that they were secretly helping PAP!"

Actually I think that the way some government supporters use insults and tortured reasoning here, you would imagine that they were secretly helping the opposition by making people even more dulan.

"the situation here is not as bad as what the oppositions have us believe. standard of living here is good and generally affordable. nevertheless, people complain not because things here are "unaffordable" - except maybe for luxury items - but because they want more money in their pockets or stretch their dollar further. though there will be those who are struggling to make ends meet, the number are not substantial enough to topple the government." - Anon 26/4/10 21:39

Actually, people are unhappy due to a variety of reasons, not just about your inability to buy luxury items or to stretch your dollar further.

But please, continue to distort the issue to make people more dulan. It's your choice.

"so what are all these noises in the net about?

it's about power and for some, aspire to to be our next government.

if so, we should be worried."

We should?

Or is it just you who should be worried?

Actually you needn't worry, based on your good work here, I am sure you will continue to be a good government supporter even when the ruling party of today has become the official opposition.

That's just what you do best.

Anonymous said...

just looked at the scholars who can speak only english..they comes from a good family and do not understand the lower and middle-income group.
and they are our future leaders of PAP..

impotenta said...

Good good work here thanks a lot ...:)

Anonymous said...

what is this dulan here and dulan there? lol
mah said, with figures, housing is affordable. the opposition has not been successful in debunking that. aren't you dulan?
FTs taking away our jobs? almost all our fresh grads found jobs within 6 months upon graduation. aren't you dulan?
most of our elderlies whose asset,which they bought dirt cheap from hdb, have been fully paid for and can be capitalized(rental,downgrade,sell off and live with children etc) to supplement their retirement, aren't you dulan?
with ample jobs and opportunities,healthy housing market and a great transport system to get us to work on time,what more do you want? aren't you very very dulan?lol

Anonymous said...

lies. everybody knows that the fate of the nation hinges on inane issues such as lift upgrading. we think too highly of ourselves.

Anonymous said...

Dear pro PAP,

Please read the whole of Lucky's blog. Much of what you have said has been covered.

Why?.... Tell me why..... Do you honestly believe what you say? Really?... Have you really no friends or relatives without a university degree? Let me give you credit. I assume you are smart enough to know how the PAP data is massaged. I believe that you know what is going on. Then why speak that which is not true?

The information is before you in mountains and heaps. Think of a country as an army. The engineers, the researchers, the producers are the frontline troops. They are what actually makes money and wealth for the country. The civil servants, bankers, teachers, sales ppl are support services. Essential, yes certainly. However, they exist primarily to serve the frontline. What would we do otherwise, sell houses to each other and educate each others children? Is that a viable economy?

What we are saying is the front is crumbling. We are not becoming the innovate developed nation economy that SIngapore needs to be. The policies are actually preventing that, directly, by importing more low skilled foreigners and indirectly by pressing so hard on the remaining troops that it is hard for them to survive and instead re-directing resources to the support services to buy their loyalty. It is true, the fighting has not reached the rear echelons, however, it will come. It is a sin to deny a crisis when it is looming. Please, this is our country... I do not want to see it sink. Infighting in the opposition. Infighting in the PAP... What nonsense. Look at the infighting between Singaporeans. At a time of crisis, we cannot even unite.

Please, do us a favor. Read luckys blog. Do not ignore points that he has already made. If you have honest concerns, we will be happy to engage you in debate.

All the best.

Trebuchet said...

I just want to be able to withdraw my CPF money earlier. Logically, the only way to do that is take it and find citizenship in another country. That's crazy.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, as Mr Tan Kin Lian points out, you are, relatively speaking, one of the most articulate voice the opposition has to offer. And you have dun have to sell your HDB to contest in the GE.

If you really care about your children's future, then its time that you stand up to be counted.

Or our children's only dream will be to find work as maids for Ah Nehs/Ah Tiongs!


It is not recommended for you to come out at this point as they still controlled the courts and 锦衣卫,可以在法理之外,排除异己.Instead, it will be best if you can continue blogging and market the blog to more Singaporeans as I looked at the stats, still a tiny amount compared to voting citizens.
Words are more powerful in effecting change that standing up, making a few speeches and get slaughtered like the Tang Liang Hong and the likes, if you can just continue blogging, with clear and reasoned arguments and all of us here do what we can like to pass the blog link to people we know so that their perspectives can be changed over time. That will be far better in winning votes over the long run than no credible opposition blog if you kanna slaughtered like other high profile and credible opposition in the past.

There are credible oppositions and sizeable number as of now already but few can blog and influence people’s mind well.

Anonymous said...

To the Anon 16:36 who will "Vote for PAP"...

Opposition fights with each other? I see Chee Soon Juan and Chiam See Tong always @#$%^&*( but I don't see RP shooting WP upside down... How can you say that they do not fight for the people? Chee Soon Juan methods thou extreme at times (my personal opinion), he does demostrates issues regarding Singapore livelihood and ends up as a Bankrupt... When Mas Selamat escaped, didn't the Opposition question the goverment for explanation but got only F***ed by PM Lee?

How many times I wonder that the Opposition is given a fair chance to showcase their ideals... If the Opposition had $$$ like the PAP, I wonder how many would flock to them as well...

How dare a Goverment talk lots of crap, showing nice figures like MBT when it is inaccurate? Lock my hard-earned money up in CPF and do not allow me to withdraw? Scold me daft, liken me to be a dog, ask me to work cheaper faster and better? Lose so much tax-payer money in investments and give so much excuses and just pretend nothing happened? I wonder are they suppose to serve the people or are the people suppose to serve them?

You might be doing well, your friends might be doing well... But how many friends of yours makes up ur so-called 'sizeable work-force'? 5% of the entire Singapore working Society?

Before you spam your elitist thoughts around, I suggest you try building up your EQ and see the bigger picture rather than your pathetic enclosed world... You simply never experience what is SH*T before...

I don't even know why am I such a fool to even reply to a fool...

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"with ample jobs and opportunities,healthy housing market and a great transport system to get us to work on time,what more do you want? aren't you very very dulan?lol" - Anon 26/4/10 23:36

Eh, there has been a lot of debate on those issues that you can't simply dismiss by asserting your personal opinion.

Also a previous Anon said "serve you losers right for studying engineering and science", suggesting that her/his higher ups may be fully aware that certain industries are more affected than others.

Just to mention a hypothetical scenario: an engineering grad who ends up as a credit card promoter has technically found a job and isn't technically starving to death, but facing rejection by hundreds of people a day saying "not interested", "no thanks", "I very busy" is not really what the person was trained to do.

So if such a person isn't all that "lol" about the situation, would be best solution be to insult that person as a "loser"?

As for the situation in other industries eg. the retail sector, anyone can go to their favourite shopping centre and count the number of shuttered storefronts which have remain closed for months.

Anyway, why be annoyed at the word "dulan"?

Some Anons tag practically every sentence with "lol" even though the message is not really funny and he/she isn't really laughing.

Likewise it isn't illegal to use the word "dulan" in a comment, at least not yet. Otherwise you would be in greater trouble than I'd be.

Mor Gan Thai said...

Who says S'pore is safe ? with over one million foreigners here, crime rate has increased.The recent robbery case at Bedok jewellary shop was a proof that spore is not safe.The stabbing incident in Tampines lift was also a proof that spore is not safe.Yes,Japan is very clean and safe. I walked at the street at 1 am, and nobody disturbed me.Moreover the streets are clean, no rubbish,I can't find a rubbish bin at the road side.S'pore is very dirty nowadays with so many foreigners here, they drink everywhere and dirty the void deck of our flats.The govt is deaf to our critizism, yes Lim Swee Say is right.They live comfortably in bungalows and do not know what is happening outside.VOTE THE PAP OUT IN COMING ELECTION.

jamesneo said...

"All my civil servant friends are earning well. All my uni friends in business, accounting, marketing, finance, are also doing well. Same for my pals in insurance and property. That's quite a sizeable chunk of the workforce"

Singapore is just following the same state as US and when all the engineering jobs go to China and india Singapore will also suffer the same fate(big recession). The financial sector is starting a decline at least in the west as many people realize that they do not provide true value to the real economy. Of course they will cling to their power for as long as they can but events in the west is heading towards a confrontation which will end terribly.

You think the world need so much banker and accountants? When the excessive credit(debt) in the world unwind with a large deflationary trend, only jobs that produce real things can survive.

Singapore is heading toward disaster when all of our manufacturing base are totally destroyed.

The next decade will also see the rise in commodities and jobs associated with it for etc a mining degree, agriculture degree.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Lucky

It's perfectly understanable if you prefer to blog anonymously and bask in the adoration of your sycophants.

However, I think your less talented comrades at TR needs some help. They are asking the opposition to go for the "juggernaut". Dun think they are X-men fans.

lim said...

For those who say that singapore is very clean.. Let me say that it is the result of an army of cheap foreign workers who keep it clean day in day out, and is NOT due to the people (locals and foreigners alike) here having the conscious mind to keep singapore clean..

This is unlike some western countries and japan, where the people there pride themselves in not littering, which is why their countries are clean without relying on huge number of cleaners to cleanup..

Anonymous said...

Dear Lucky,

You know that your blog is a rather decent one when the PAP IB scum are taking the effort to disparage your efforts. Keep Up the Good Work.

Anonymous said...

Anon 7:28 said:

"How dare a Goverment talk lots of crap, showing nice figures like MBT when it is inaccurate?"

I think you got this wrong. Minister Mah Bow Tan did not show nice figures which were inaccurate.

The liar doctored the base year so that he could DELIBERATELY present an erroneous reality of how affordable HDB flats are today to first-time families. And he has the sheer AUDACITY to call on us to point to him where the error is.

This is Singapore. Not Japan or America. We don't need to allow ourselves to be misguided by figures of a PROFIT ABOVE PEOPLE PARTY who champions NON-TRANSPARENCY by relying on them to capture the reality of a tiny island. We are not a huge country where it takes days to travel from one end of a country's state to another end of the country. We all live close to each other; it takes 2 hours max to drive from one end of Singapore island to the other. Information flow fast here by word of mouth. And the internet provides an access point to personal reports and field reports, whereby a strongly tenable picture of a situation can be captures; and not MERELY reduced to anecdotal evidences as claimed by the Pretender Action Party.

Anonymous said...

Lim 13 : 50

Are you so sure that Western Countries are very very clean and litter-free?

Some countries will be better off than Singapore but please, go to US, UK, Europe and stay there for years and you'll realise they are not as clean as you might think...

Anonymous said...

LHL said:

"So if such a person isn't all that "lol" about the situation, would the [sic] best solution be to insult that person as a "loser"?

You should run for election. I think you can definitely educate Mah Bow Tan, Lim Swee Suay, Lee Hsien Loong, BG Yeo, Vivian Balakrishnan and Lee Kuan Yew a thing or two about being gracious.

TokyoSingaporean said...

Some Anon said:

"Moreover the streets are clean, no rubbish,I can't find a rubbish bin at the road side."

There are many rubbish bins. I live here in Tokyo. You need to know where to look for them. Try those beside the numerous vending machines that you find littered in Japan. Family Mart and 7-11s here have many recycled bins as well. Not to mention the sweet tasty and lovely porn that all japanese men relish.

Anonymous said...

I feel the first hand effects of FTs imported into singapore.

In the IT consulting line, i worked with more FTs then locals more often then not. I feel like a foreigner in my own country. These FTs that are supposed to improve productivity is doing exactly the opposite. They are ill trained, lack experienced, and cannot even speak proper english. Their quality of work is terrible and as a result we hit a lot of quality issues. They are here because they are cheap, not because they are good! Most locals who graduate from local university performs much better, but they are sidelined by these FTs just because they cost 50% less.

And these people did not come here to drive productivity nor quality. They are just here to earn the $ and go back home to enjoy their retirement. In the meantime they can live a frugal life here, bringing their own lunchbox, no socialising after work. Most of their salary is send back home to their families. Nothing wrong of course, but how do we compete with that? We have to compete by been cheaper? and live a even more frugal lifestyle? and where do we retire? Our family is here!

Lets not condemn each other, calling singaporeans cowards or blind etc. We can start by giving our locals more chance in work and environment. We should be more united in times of trouble.

Anonymous said...

Most students spend the bulk of their school days cramming for Maths. Math tuition take up the bulk of all tuition business. Pure science classes also form the elite of every single JC and Secondary school around.

To them, non-Pure-Science and weak in math students are the losers.

So, it gives me great pleasure to laugh in their faces, when at the end of the day, the rug gets pulled beneath their feet, while the students in marketing, accountants, business, finance survive the recession well, while the engineering students lost their jobs or had their pay badly depressed by the massive influx of Pinoy, Ah-Tiong and Ah-Ney engineers.

I visited the university during my JC days. And I was struck by the sheer number of foreigners in all the engineering streams, while the business schools were still largely Singaporeans.

It was a no-brainer to me that if I wanted to thrive after graduation, my best chances would still be in finance-related industry.

Many of us are unaffected by the recession. And so, many of us might not be induced to vote against PAP, unlike the engineering losers.

Truth said...

Anonymous 27/4/10 13:06

"The next decade will also see the rise in commodities and jobs associated with it for etc a mining degree, agriculture degree."

Could you kindly provide some reference to this opinion?

Anonymous said...

what a well written post! how I wish you had a wider platform to communicate this perspective. I would love to repost it on my FB and blog, but honestly, fear gets the better of this chicken-hearted fella.

I can tell you one more thing too - despite the sentiments, come GE day, all us dumb Singaporeans will still vote for you-know-who. no one to blame but us!

Anonymous said...

Lee Kuan Yew was right after all. You are daft!

Lim Leng Hiong said...

"So, it gives me great pleasure to laugh in their faces, when at the end of the day, the rug gets pulled beneath their feet, while the students in marketing, accountants, business, finance survive the recession well, while the engineering students lost their jobs or had their pay badly depressed by the massive influx of Pinoy, Ah-Tiong and Ah-Ney engineers." - Anon 27/4/10 16:10

There we go again, even more engineer-bashing!

For your info, Ms/Mr. Magnanimous, not only your "elite" students with top marks become engineers.

In fact the engineering field comprises many more students who suffered through a similar predicament as you have and went through the ITE or Polytechnic route.

Yet, how quickly you lump them all together and label them as "losers"!

How great your love and generosity for your fellow Singaporeans, most of them less "elite" than you are, and whose only crime is to be in a different profession from you!

I only have two things to say:

One.

I don't believe that people in marketing, accountants, business and finance are all having as good a time as you claim. For example, we can estimate the situation in the retail sector, which is highly visible to the public.

Two.

The day hasn't ended yet.

Which is why I feel that it isn't wise for a person who is still standing on the beach to laugh at the first people to be swept away by the incoming tidal wave.

Limp Lame Hum said...

vivian challenge those propagating falsehood about the couple living in tent to set the record straight.

you think the opposing liars will?

Anonymous said...

Dear Anon 27/4/10 16:10

Are you the same pathetic PAP troll who thought $500 dinners and BMWs were actually symbols of success?

First of all, to even get a Business or Accountancy degree, you would have to be pretty good at Maths. Actually, you need "A" to get into the course at a decent school.
Secondly, the local MBAs\Fin Engineering courses are infested with foreigners.
Thirdly, most banks are already infested with foreigners in every function. Even DBS is run by ah neh.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Lucky

I see you have stopped responding.
You must be really bored.

Thought you may find this. and this interesting.

Anonymous said...

Anon 27/4/10 16 : 10

Did a engineering student kicked you out of job? It seems more like you have a personal grudge against these profession / students...

Quote : Many of us are unaffected by the recession. And so, many of us might not be induced to vote against PAP, unlike the engineering losers.

I am supposing you are the same person with regards to the previous posts of the similar nature. All I can say is that, you sum up as a Singaporean with these kind of following mind-set "They die, never mind, I dont die can liaoz ... Don't know, pretend never see anything ... No $$$ No talk, got $$$ value, I'll use you then throw you away"...

I apologise for being so personal, but since you are so personal right from the start, I guess you should expect a personal comment.

I am also not affected by the recession but that doesn't mean I should or will forgo and overlook what I feel wrong and right about Singapore PAP Policy Decisions.

Anonymous said...

Our Law Minister expects us to believe that our MSM is credible just because some ass-licking commercial American firm said so. What the not-for-profit groups like Reporters without Borders or other group says cannot be believed. Hello, I'm not living in 1970s. The election fraud increase in jail sentence looks like another device to get rid of winning opposition. If you get less than 2 years, you can still keep your seat but more than 2 is no go. So just increase it. When no one has been charged with this law since donkey years , why do so now. Misbehave during the cooling off day and Walla! you are going to prison mate. Now that first world dictators..oops leaders

lim said...

@anon 27/4/10 15:51

>>"Are you so sure that Western Countries are very very clean and litter-free?

Some countries will be better off than Singapore but please, go to US, UK, Europe and stay there for years and you'll realise they are not as clean as you might think..."

That's why I say some western countries, not all western countries.. I have been to Liechtenstein, paris, london, and I must say the streets are clean... I visited Nottingham (The Julia Roberts show), and the streets are clean..

I did't see cheap foreigners cleaning up after the residents there, for sure.. I didn't see the residents throwing tissue papers, cigarette butts, spitting, anywhere they fancied..

Anonymous said...

@ Lim

What you said is true. They are also very polite. For example, they hold the door for you and greet the bus drivers.

Btw its not Nottingham, its Notting Hill in west London. Both are very nice.

Cheers
Economist with a heart

lim said...

@Economist with a heart 28/4/10 11:57

My mistake, thanks for the correction..

Anonymous said...

@ Lim,

No worries. Btw Lim, I thought about some of what you said regarding cleanliness in other developed countries.

If a decade ago, the govt increased the wage of the low skilled workers; Singapore's productivity might be better as compared to now. It could have reduce the addiction to FTs.

For example, the cleaning contractor company that won the Singapore govt contracts are forced to use fewer employees but invest in hi-tech cleaning machines.

I saw in Japan an exo- robotic skeleton suit that helps old people in carrying heavy loads and do normal household work.

Needless to say, Japan and China is just across the sea to each other. In the 2000s, Japan could have easily imported a lot of Chinese people to boost their GDP.

But why didn't the Japanese do that? My guess is that unlike us LUCKY SINGAPOREANS, Japanese people are not so fortunate to have million-dollar-helicopter-vision-ministers, PM, SM and MM.

Cheers
Economist with a heart

lim said...

@Economist with a heart

I was on tour in germany some years back, and visited a toilet in a cafe in one of those rest areas along their expressway, and the toilet seat is mechanised in that after use, the seat automatically rotates and is cleaned.., I was amazed that such stuff exists..

despite being a high tech country, our toilets are basically 3rd world..

Anonymous said...

@ Lim,

Yeah agree about Singapore. In europe, its normal to have self automated cleaning public toilets. And the amazing thing is that, its not expensive to use it.

My wish is for more Singaporeans to see that multiple political parties can lead to better suggestions and outcomes.

If only, 10 years ago Singapore govt think twice about the FT policy we wouldnt be in this mess.

I love Singapore but I hate 'one track mind' PAP. I have never voted for them. I will always vote what is best for Singapore: That is to break the PAP MONOPOLY.

Singapore is NOT pap. and pap is NOT Singapore.

Thank you Lucky Tan. I have shared your blog with many friends and family members. We are making inroads.

lim said...

@anon 28/4/10 16:42

pap always say that they are not afraid to do the "right" thing, and not the popular thing, that they are always right..

The thing with the FT policy is that they think they did the "right" thing with the 2 is enough policy, was slow to realise that it is leading to a population decline, and thus was slow to reverse it, with the result of having to rely on FTs..

Look at the baby bonus, pathetic, seeing how costly it is to raise children in this high cost of living country..

Well, I don't mind if pap becomes the opposition after the next GE, and since they claim that they are so talented, then they would be in a good position to scrutinise a non-pap govt..

Anonymous said...

"If a decade ago, the govt increased the wage of the low skilled workers; Singapore's productivity might be better as compared to now. It could have reduce the addiction to FTs."

for argument sake, let's say we pay the cleaners $5k a month. what do you think will happen?

lim said...

@anon 29/4/10 08:41

>>"for argument sake, let's say we pay the cleaners $5k a month. what do you think will happen?"

Let's look at hongkong, the domestic helpers there were paid much more than those working here.. ever wonder why filipinos perfer working there? I don't know how much the cleaners in HK are paid, but my guess is it would be higher than what we are paying here.. So, do you see HK not doing well?

Anonymous said...

If Sg cleaners are paid $5K, they will ensure their votes will be only for the incumbent rulers.

They(cleaners) will also migrate elsewhere to live life of luxuries and not clog this teeny weeny country when they grow old.

And if cleaners are paid $5K, every other professions and vocations will be paid more and no one will care whether the rulers are paid $2, $3M or $10M.

Anonymous said...

nah.in today's standrd of living, $5k is comfortable for most people. with that kind of pay, we will lose the push factor for more challenging jobs and ultimately, the whole quality of life will drop.

understand?

lim said...

@anon 29/4/10 14:31

You actually think people would just take the 5k salary, enjoy working in the hot sun, sweating like a pig doing cleaner's job? Or washing plates, keeping their hands immersed in soapy waters for long hours, instead of doing other better jobs?

Anonymous said...

erm, why don't you spend a day watching some of these cleaners in your local shopping centers?

a good education is hard work. if people can read comics/play 1/3 of the day and and am able to earn $5k a month doing a no brainer's job, a certain race(i am sure many others too) will be very happy to be a cleaner.

lim said...

@anon 29/4/10 15:16

So what you are saying is that by paying cleaners 5k, there isn't any compulsion on their parts to upgrade/strive for better lives? (Does this also mean that by paying our ministers millions, it means that they can take it easy and not work so hard?)

So, does the current way of paying meage wages for low-skilled people doing anything to "force" them to upgrade?

Not everybody are alike, we all know that. Some are academically strong, while others are physically strong. Depending on situation one or the other may have the advantage, so we should not be too quick to categorise races to whatever.. Also, environmental causes may affect one's education path, such as having to drop-out due to family financial difficulties, etc..

Anonymous said...

the reverse may not be true. the higher the social status the greater the responsibility, as well as the rewards, the greater the pressure to produce results.

unfortunately, in the working world, there are a lot of reasonably paid cumbersome/tedious/mundane/boring jobs( plus plenty of nasty office politics) .

if not for the salary and social status, a cleaner's job that pays you $5k may even be a better job option.

as for education, we have managed almost 100% passes in psle(latest report).

we are not aiming for academic geniuses(not possible anyway). at least skilled profile for all(possible).

lim said...

@anon 29/4/10 16:30

>> "the reverse may not be true. the higher the social status the greater the responsibility, as well as the rewards, the greater the pressure to produce results."

Well, I am not quite sure about that, see we have a mm (well my guess is he is probably working very hard, just not sure whether it is for singaporeans' benefits or pap's benefit), and we have a sm, again not sure what kind of responsibilities he is having now? and a few ministers without portfolio, again not sure what their responsibilities are... and of course our very expensive elected president.. again not sure how much time he spend guarding our reserves (in fact don't know whether he knows how much reserves we have, since the late president Ong didn't even know)..