Monday, June 07, 2010

Last Word on CHC and Kong Hee.

Netizens seem to have become fixated with this case judging from the thousands of comments in various forums, blogs and Facebook on the recent investigation by CAD. While we know that the COC and CAD will not make any move without something substantial to go on, the speculation about Kong Hee and CHC on the Internet has probably gone overboard. In a recent newspaper article members from the CHC step forward to express support for Kong Hee. Over the years, he stood by and helped them through difficult times - he sometimes would even cancel trips to lend support to members of his congregation. Growing a church from a small handful to 40,000 members is no easy feat and it takes energy, charisma, friendship and trust to get to where they are today. Many question their recruitment tactics, their fund raising methods and some question their teachings (prosperity gospel) - these are valid issues and we will eventually come to an understanding of them over time. I believe CHC regardless of the outcome of the investigation will still exist in the coming years and they, like most churches in the past that faced scrutiny, will adjust and continue.

As for Kong Hee being a good or bad, I learned over time that people are not so simple. Good people can do wrong unethical things and many times 'bad' people do have a softer side. Was Durai a bad person? The court of public opinion was quite harsh making him out to be greedy fundraiser who overpaid himself exploiting the public trust - however, just yesterday, the paper reported that the NKF is now running short on funds and nurses[Link]. Durai did do somethings that were incorrect but he also did many things that were right.

When I was in secondary school, my history teacher taught me something simple but important that I remembered all my life. The idea is borrowed from another religion Taoism:

I'm not a Taoist but the Taoist symbol above is highly meaningful and you don't have to believe in Taoism to appreciate the idea. Within the white part there is a black dot and what is says is there is nothing absolutely good and similarly for the black part there is a white dot to say that nothing is absolutely bad. Apply this to your view of the world and people. To the people in CHC, Kong Hee was absolutely good, to many netizens, he is absolutely bad using religion to get money and success for himself. My belief is Kong Hee is white with a black dot which the CAD is looking at - we don't know the size of that dot or that it actually exists. But Kong Hee's achievements - his ability to motivate, uplift people and change lives...can clearly be seen. Many people whose lives are touched by him probably will be willing to stand by him even if CAD's findings shows something negative...he was never supposed to be perfect and as Christians the Bible tells them than no man is perfect and importance of forgiveness. I was in a small Church a few months ago, long before CHC news broke, to meet a friend. I sat through a sermon during which the pastor of the church told the congregation not to put their faith in pastors and religious leaders, himself included, because as humans there is always a chance, they will let them down...the next part of his message was to have faith in God. Herein lies the wisdom of the message for all CHC members when they go to church, it is not to put their faith in Kong Hee but as Christians they should have faith in God.

97 comments:

Anonymous said...

Honestly which human being would not succumb to temptations, eg money or even sex and the evils of it, if they think they can get away with it?

There is always a little monster in each one of us, like the dot in Taoism. This monster is only suppressed because we fear the consequences (external)to us if it grows big.

Howver under certain external situations and conditions and over time, this monster can grow big and that's where it is dangerous.

This has happened not just to individuals but also political parties.

Hence one can only hope that the external conditions will not allow the monster to grow big.

Anonymous said...

Those who depend on religious leaders to guide themselves are people without faiths of their ownselves. These followers are unlikely to understand the meaning of spirituality.

Hun Boon said...

Thanks for enlightening on the meaning of the dots in the symbol.

As for Kong Hee's case, CAD probably only initiates investigation if there is substantial evidence. It's just a matter of severity of his transgressions.

First a health charity, then Buddhist, now Christian. Will be interesting to see how this story unfolds.

Anonymous said...

"Do not have faith in me; but in God."

Lucky, this is sales talk lah...

What the sales man meant was "you will have to go through me, to Jesus and God...."

Anonymous said...

Lucky u are being disingenuous. NO ONE is saying CHC or Gongee is ABSOLUTELY bad. Do not put up extreme and vague example and use it to defend the defendant, that has always been a trick of the pap when they argue.

Anonymous said...

"But Kong Hee's achievements - his ability to motivate, uplift people and change lives...can clearly be seen. Many people whose lives are touched by him probably will be willing to stand by him even if CAD's findings shows something negative..."



Are you not describing Hitler too?

Anonymous said...

What lucky is saying..... Look at the good done.... only small money go charity to look good.... Ignore the small black dot that eats up the rest of the money

I understand where lucky coming from so in that case he shouldn't complain so much about the leaders of the small red or black dot eating our money too he he he

His logic is, they did good what so more good years ahead loor. he he

Anonymous said...

Hitler did lots of good too. It was wrong we condemned him to hell

Anonymous said...

Cheat or no cheat, I dislike Kong Hee for his arrogance and for stirring up rivalry with the 2nd biggest church, New Creation.

I dislike the intense rivalry between the two churches, which I feel was largely initiated by City Harvest, over fears that its members were jumping ship.

From Kong Hee's point of view, if people leave City Harvest, it also means fewer people donating money to his church.

Such rivalry does not honour Jesus nor reflect his teaching in any way. And this rivalry is not a non-off event. It has been around for years, meaning that for the past few years, I feel Kong Hee has not been behaving like a good Christian.

Anonymous said...

I say disband all churches and temples. If there is a God (in heart by definition), there is one already. No need to say or praise more.

More simply means more noise, singing, chanting, bullshitting. endless shit.

Just focus on using the brain to use mathematics and science to understand the world.

Anonymous said...

Humans are not perfect beings. Thats why there is a need for CHECKS AND BALANCES.

Anonymous said...

no need. all hail hitler. focus on good! hitler is good man!

praise hitler!praise the dictator! don't believe in him, go to hell. believe in him ((and give him money)), go to heaven.

praise the hitler of the pulpit!!!hallelujah!!!

Anonymous said...

Humans are not perfect beings. Thats why there is a need for CHECKS AND BALANCES.

true, hitler is not a perfect human, we need to change history and untarnish his good name!

praise hitler. praise powerful hitler!

amen

Anonymous said...

The last time there was "big news" [on Jack Neo], the Singapore govt was busy negotiating some EU FTA.

What is the Singapore govt doing now?

Anonymous said...

all these years, the garbagemen have been suporting hitler good deeds.

many more good deeds ahead as they regulate the good deeds of hitler

maybe garbagemen with give hitler a make over and turn him into stalin or chairman mao

amen

Anonymous said...

It is very troubling in SIN to find support for HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE leaders who eat fat juicy chicken and then wipe their mouths.

What have we done that there are so many blinded idiots?

Allah Help Us!

Anonymous said...

There are good, perfect people around. But they do their good work quietly so nobody notices them. It's a misconcept to think that man cannot be perfect.

Anonymous said...

quote:::

I say disband all churches and temples. If there is a God (in heart by definition), there is one already. No need to say or praise more.

More simply means more noise, singing, chanting, bullshitting. endless shit.

Just focus on using the brain to use mathematics and science to understand the world.

7/6/10 12:47

unquote.::

It was done in the former Soviet Union and also under Mao's Communist China.

Now it is happening in Sg. as we are importing millions of communists from China.

So no religion - all under one dynasty, the new dawn of a Lee Dynasty.

Worship him!

Anonymous said...

Did Rev KH give, give and give till his heart hurt and tears drop? Did he sell his CONDOs and downgrade? Jesus lead by example, this fellow?

Anonymous said...

Only weaklings, the gluttons and those without conscience will succumb.

And when they are in positions of power to legalize their greed and selfishness...well...society at large suffers.

And humanity future dies a little bit more.

Anonymous said...

i'm waiting for another charlatan, lawrence khong, pastor cum magician from faith baptist community church, to face the axe...

good riddance, we shan't miss you

Anonymous said...

7/6/10 18:12

jesus was against religion anyway(he attacked this particular one or form of religion).

with this ONE out, you can be assured of peace. the rests are easy to handle or will fall into place.

Anonymous said...

For the MIW, the focus of MSM is always on the white dot! Average Singaporean would find it hard to focus since everywhere is pitch black!

Anonymous said...

Are these leaders susceptible to finding excuse to admit that they are not perfect so that they can indulge in "imperfect" thing and hopefully to get away with thing.

Anonymous said...

Some may conclude that the troubles come with THE RELIGION then followed by the idiots who reap from it.

Is like associating yourself with a drug syndicate. How not to be incriminated by its hypocrisies?

Ghost said...

Personally I don't understand why people are jumping on the man when NO charges has been brought against him yet. Of course, Singaporeans jumped on Ming Yi even through he never took any money from Ren Ci, so at least they are constantly unfair

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Lucky

Can't you read the comments?
Your loyal followers want Christian blood!

How can this be your last word!

Never mind that Ho Ching is losing billions or PAP is giving away citizenship like toilet paper or naive drug mules hanging while drug lords feast ... Christian blood must flow!!!

Anonymous said...

Ghost: Now then u come and defend the fake monk??

He claimed to be a modern monk?? Could he explain why he hired a young hong konger who knew nothing about work; but to accompany the monk frequent overseas travel??

Why did he stay in the same room with the pretty young boy??

Not to mention about the fake monk having horses, country club memberships....

How come no one saw this botak monk around the clubs, hotels, turf clubs... He must be using WIGS.

Anonymous said...

Lucky,
The money that is derived from the public must be used for the public. Public services such as free clinic or education bursary... Why didn’t I hear any news of CHC does something more meaningful then the above mention?

I do not see the reason why there is a need to have a charitable organization involved in business so that to ensure "going concern" when its “going concern” is decided by the public.

If that is the case, any religion, can use the same excuse to use public money to do business.

If CHC needs more space for their activities, I do not see there is a need to go to that extreme to buy Suntec City.

Well, in the first place, I was shocked they CHC can be that rich when CHC is a charitable organization.

Being a charitable organization, there should some form of check before a purchase as the fund comes from public. Being able to buying Suntec city indicate that something fishy is going on.

What is the difference between a CHC and a business entity? In fact, I felt there is no different except that CHC’s fund comes from the public.

Is Kong Hee, a pastor that uses the name of god to create his wealth? I suspect...

My action towards him is never join CHC. If I would want to be a Christian, I would prefer a church that does not demand money from me every now and then but allow me to give money willingly.
Take a look at these clips:

http://www.youtube.com/user/goh05dan#p/a/u/1/Gg14OogAgLI

Anonymous said...

Me wonders why all the blames go to the Religious Leaders.

Are their believers not guilty of contributing or aiding them(leaders) in their deeds??

And me fails to understand the Human Species in one aspect. Do believers know the Faiths to believe in them(Religions).

Or

do they believed the Religions without having to understand them.

And or believe first then try to understand?

patriot

Anonymous said...

"Honestly which human being would not succumb to temptations, eg money or even sex and the evils of it, if they think they can get away with it?

There is always a little monster in each one of us, like the dot in Taoism. This monster is only suppressed because we fear the consequences (external)to us if it grows big."

can't the same be said about our political leaders or leader? If religious leader cannot hold themselves to high moral standards, you think our government leaders have it better?

Ghost said...

To Anno 22:12: Where are all these fake monk charges in court? Despite all the talk, he was only charged with covering up the scandal and even then it was only after getting a promise from the person who stole the money that he would return the money in full. If you know something about the case the courts did not, step right up and give the evdience in court.

Anonymous said...

Hi Ghost,

U said, "..he was only charged with covering up the scandal..."

I read up the Penal Code but could not find your alleged offence of "covering up the scandal..." U certainly know more about the law than I do.

U also claimed that "the person who stole the money that he would return the money in full..." This is called "making restitution"; which will not exonerate the culprit of the offence....

The court has certainly thrown the book at the Monk; but he was lucky to be given lighter sentence...

btw, u should have defended him in court and got him an acquittal...

Anonymous said...

Building Control Division has to relook some of their policies. Zoning is being practised when permits for building of churches, temples or mosques are applied for.

HDB flats are not allowed to be used as temples and I am sure neither a mosque or a temple can be housed in a commercial shopping or office building. Why then are these christian churches allowed to operate in cinemas, shopping complexes and exhibition halls???? Can the relevant authorities explain?

Anonymous said...

If the other religion(non Christian) decided to use cultic methods to draw their crowd, be assured, their members too will grow by leaps and bounds. By then, they too maybe competing for commercial spaces to expand their profitable operation.
Unfortunately or fortunately, the other religions do not have loose mouths leaders who drip honey with promises of latter day rain greater than former day rain and your bank account will be runneth over by lorries etc etc. to entice idiots.If the leaders from the other religion will to twist their doctrines into a properity gospel, dresses in Armani and change BMWs like changing underwear, I suspect, they the authorities would not look so favourably on them as they would the Christians. I suspect they don't have that kind of grace and network to pull it off.
I hope the gov knows this is an unhealthy development. If they don't strike when they should, we will see more pimps driving fancy cars doing charitable works .

Anonymous said...

'My belief is Kong Hee is white with a black dot which the CAD is looking at '

More like the other way round Lucky.

Alan Wong said...

Anon 8/6/10 00:35 has a very good point :

"Why then are these christian churches allowed to operate in cinemas, shopping complexes and exhibition halls???? Can the relevant authorities explain?"

Just imagine how our Govt authorities would react if a mega-temple or mega-mosque is planned in a shopping mall ?

I would have assumed that our planning and zoning regulations are very clear in that.

Or just that some particular religion have a leeway over others that URA can bend their rules to accommodate that ?

Or it just goes to show that PAP can change the rules of engagement as and when it pleases ?

Anonymous said...

These kind of people cannot be restored. The mistake of our garmen is that they hand them back their crown.

Anonymous said...

Eh...don't unfairly penalize churches that are big, okay?

In the past, churches are restricted to small buildings because they only have 200-300 people attending services.

Have you ever seen a church service by New Creation or City Harvest? Attendence per service is numbered in the thousands, not hundreds.

If they don't house in cinemas or exhibition halls, then where can they house?

Idiots!

Anonymous said...

Yin is NOT equivalent to bad neither is yang equivalent to good. In any case, if you analyse Satan, he is more yang (white) while Jesus is more yin (black). If white = yang = good, then Satan is good while Jesus is evil. That's what happens when you take metaphors literally and mix several metaphors together.

Anonymous said...

'Lucky u are being disingenuous. NO ONE is saying CHC or Gongee is ABSOLUTELY bad. Do not put up extreme and vague example and use it to defend the defendant, that has always been a trick of the pap when they argue.'

Use your blain use your blian! What good what bad? Lucky is saying millionaire of a feather flock together.

Someone can preach spirituality but need$ your pa$$ionate $upport everyday, another preach brighter future for country but up their own$elf $alary fir$t, another can also preach socialism but play $tock market$ everyday. White part with black dot immediately become black part with white dot when gahmne invite to drink$ tea$, sama sama.

Anonymous said...

'My belief is Kong Hee is white with a black dot which the CAD is looking at'

I take it that you meant he is very capable of covering up his wrong doings except a small loophole where he got his balls caught.

Anonymous said...

I think he should be given a white dot for his sharing with the inner circle of rich and powerful comrades; everything else is pitch dark. On the other hand, some may say that the circle is darker than dark, worse than a black-hole!

Anonymous said...

Hi Anon who posted....
"The last time there was "big news" [on Jack Neo], the Singapore govt was busy negotiating some EU FTA.

What is the Singapore govt doing now?"

U could very well be right.
Oldest trick in the book.
Look at the distraction going on in the Korean Peninsular and Iran whilst the greatest Bank Robbery in history is being perpetrated...and by the Banksters against people not just in the US but PIGGS in th EU.
Diversionary strategy.

By the way "what are they doing now ? "
Please enlightnen us. Thx.

Anonymous said...

Someone can preach spirituality but need$ your pa$$ionate $upport everyday, another preach brighter future for country but up their own$elf $alary fir$t, another can also preach socialism but play $tock market$ everyday. White part with black dot immediately become black part with white dot when gahmne invite to drink$ tea$, sama sama.

the good lord calls it HYPOCRITES!

lucky calls it, GOOD hypocrites.

understand the difference?

Anonymous said...

moral of the story:

dun hv chow loti where got chow leaders right?

chow leaders will of courze serve you with more chow lotti so they can continue be chow leader$$ and cycle repeats.

but our great leaders have been eating gormet loti apparently want to keep the chow loti around.


if so...expect more chow leaders with chow people born out of this leechers.

maybe i wrong, lets see cinema show....

Anonymous said...

"Eh...don't unfairly penalize churches that are big, okay?

In the past, churches are restricted to small buildings because they only have 200-300 people attending services.

Have you ever seen a church service by New Creation or City Harvest? Attendence per service is numbered in the thousands, not hundreds.

If they don't house in cinemas or exhibition halls, then where can they house?

Idiots!"

Now you understand why NCC(clever hor$$$) argued for a separate governing body from charity? (today NP)

Going by the regulations(LOGICALLY), they(the likes of them) shouldn't have grown that big(to me, that's the whole purpose of the regulation).

But the DANGEROUS reality is, they have.

And why?

INSIDE JOB???A network of spiders spinning web??

Anonymous said...

they changed the rules.

Anonymous said...

"INSIDE JOB???A network of spiders spinning web??"

One MP called it..."divine backing"..hehe

Anonymous said...

fucking idiots want them to grow big cok until whole sg become idol country lah

Anonymous said...

'the good lord calls it HYPOCRITES!

lucky calls it, GOOD hypocrites.

understand the difference?'

Dunno leh, you mean lucky is say that hypocrties are bad, but Hypocrite$ are good?

Cannot put our faith in religious leaders or gahmen because human may let us down, but can put our faith in the yen carry trade because $tock market$ never let let lucky down mah. Is this black part with white dot or black part with black dot?

Anonymous said...

aiyo, no big cok where got so many service big cok right?

strok$ strok$ bog cok grow big big can show off how big SIN cok is mah. lol

so big cok now, kena stripped for pte viewing before go public viewing LOLOLOL

cum out, maybe all censored nothing to see MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Anonymous said...

it is black spot on GREY surface lah

Anonymous said...

leadership? give me a break. this country has a fuking lopsided view on leadership thats why we have people like king kong hee hee eating expensive bananas ha ha ha ha

Anonymous said...

Looks like grey becuase one butterfly fap wing in Japan until Singapore kenna storm. If hatoyama never step down how can kong hee under investigation? Don't laugh tis is chao$ theory ok.

Anonymous said...

your eyes got sores ah? neber see big big tit$$ milked ah? very vedi high shiok shiok your blain splattered and cant think ah?

who asss your eyes land on big milk$$ dripping you cant see chaotheory.

my fault you like milk$$$ ah? LOL

Anonymous said...

All enterprising bodies of this behemoth apparently headed by one single lady.

Talking about nepotism.

If I were them, I have to get a weak minded and yes lady to oversee my operation.

Best, married into the family.

Anonymous said...

fuking talking about dirt. where they hire these fuking idiotic dirty people to do the job?

get someone to..jack off on stage? did you check the background of the chap?

values very consistent with its teachings i am sure....lol

Anonymous said...

regulations? what fuking regulations? pilfering right under their noses for years

fuking leaders got lah that fukked with regulations FULL OF LOOPHOLES got fukked out the winders lah. HA HA HA HA

Anonymous said...

Milk$$ also can explain using chao$ theory mah, butterfly flop wing in America until Singapore be$ar. If you not Hypocrite$$$ don't talk rubbish here lah, wise man say don't care white dot or black dot if can catch ball$$ is GOOD dot.

Anonymous said...

i teach u values meh? i yr pastors meh? why i hypocrite? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

you neber see i fuk here fuk there meh? you bay song ah? and need to be fukked is it? why u like fuk strangers when these leaders are the ones fuking your ka chng? you need visit woodbleach or not? i can call them they fetch u for free u know. MUHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous said...

8/6/10 16:23

now now now, this is lucky's blog. lets have some respect for him. he has been teaching us about black dots and white dots and I am still figuring out his chimology.

don't f dots all over the place and it confuses me more. lol

Anonymous said...

LOL

Anonymous said...

fuking monkey wants to lick ball$$ lah. his superior ball$$ must be vedee tastee .what do to. MUAHAHAHAHHAAH

Anonymous said...

black dots, white dots, they look like holes. a good good religion has many money good followers with holes and these holey followers are very horny only with preachers. money, body and property are offered to the preachy mouths with honey. sex, money and beauty surely maketh vices.

Anonymous said...

This God damned thing looks GRAY to me!

Anonymous said...

The situation is as clear as mud! I don't see any black or white. Hopefully the CAD can enlighten us soonest.

Anonymous said...

You misread me, actually I agree that chao$ theory can explain, I never say you hypocrite I say you are not Hypocrie$$$. There is difference$$$. Thanks from your concern but no need to send me to Woodbleach because we all of us are already in Woodglitch.

White dots and blacks dots is not chim! Butterfly flick wings in Woodfridge and $tock market$ rally, except didn't rally leh. Because you don't have enough faith, once you have faith where got chim.

Anonymous said...

aiyaaah. dun tok cok lah.how many times scandals by this lee-chios now? everytime hor, lee-chios aleady hor, say ok....regulations now powderful, sure can no wrong one. then HAPPEN again and..again.

same i-dots cum out and tok SEX. this time, they say, holes proberly sealed. no LEAK NO LEAK.

bloodied hell, no leak...why CAD now involve hah?

bloodied hell, now you cum and tell us...ok ok SEX IS FINE LIAO. we all have our cockheads in place and this time, they want anyhow FUCK HERE FUCK THERE.

I say, FUCK YOU LAH. you have shitheads running the place, HOW NOT TO REPEAT?

PUUUUUI!FUCK U

Anonymous said...

you don't understand, we are all HUMANS. we need SEX. :)

Anonymous said...

FUCK U.

you want SEX, go geyland. i have more respect for them then for PUBIC FUCKERS LIKE THEM.

at leest, geyland FUCKERS ARE NOT HYPOCRITES!!

Anonymous said...

sigh,but we are HUMANS, we make ..mistakes :)

that's why we have...grace. you were once in SIN, but we now have the power from allah so we are not under SIN DOMINION. but if it fails to work for you,NEVERMIND, then we are HUMANS.that's the beauty of grace :)

you need to visit NCC and listen to my pastor :)

the truth will set you free :)

Anonymous said...

Dun tok geylanf lah. Use your blain use your blain! How many socialists play $tock market$? Which taoist will talk about GOOD and BAD? How many atheist liek to sit down to hear sermons? Lucky tell you to respect kong hee achievement how come you neber listen.

Anonymous said...

use your blaim use your blain LUCKY his achievement are not ALL GOOD. use your blains use your blains. even is SOME good were done, there is no basis of continuation of what they have been SHIITTING. use your blains use your blaims even GANGSTERS ALSO DO GOOD so so so so?

means gangsters no go jail?

FUK OFF YOU MORON LUCKY DICK SUCKER!!

Anonymous said...

LOL

Anonymous said...

I not MORON ok, I living in woodbreech, happy? Very scared of the people outside, I heard that allpeople outside are either mad or Hypocrite$$$. Feel safer inside woodquiddich got food got view no politic$$$. Want to apply? Don't wait too long sekali one day whole Singapore also want to join me. I very shy.

Anonymous said...

ok lets go back to lucky's poo and what he wants you to SEE

"Many people whose lives are touched by him probably will be willing to stand by him even if CAD's findings shows something negative...he was never supposed to be perfect and as Christians the Bible tells them than no man is perfect and importance of forgiveness."

touched. have you been touched intimately? see, focus on the touched. touch is good. it feels good. so touchy touchy ok?

so he goes into the grey area. he said this man NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PERFECT. see or not? so got license there to touch you intimately. so lucky here also wants to touch you intimately so the NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PERFECT can also touch you intimately. so beautiful so touched.

ok next

"Herein lies the wisdom of the message for all CHC members when they go to church, it is not to put their faith in Kong Hee but as Christians they should have faith in God."

big words. wisdom. you listening? this is WISDOM wow wow wow. so he tells now, listen, WISDOM talking here. when you go listen to a man WHO IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PERFECT AND OUT TO TOUCH YOU INTIMATELY you mustn't put your FAITH IN HIM but have faith in god.

sounds right right? does two rights make it right? you right turn and you right turn again you make U TURN to kong hee again which makes him what?

god!! lol

and in any case, if you not going to have FAITH IN KONG HEE, aiyoh, why even bother to listen to him in the first place?

same, why people listen to LKY? because they trust , respect his proven track records etc etc which = faith right?

so this lucky guy very tricky talk or not?

wow, can call WISDOM ah? HAHAHAHAHA

leading sheep back to wolve again!!! HAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous said...

IC

"he was never supposed to be perfect "

That explains the shit? :)

And we are supposed to have "never supposed to be perfect" leaders? :)

How nice.

Anonymous said...

yah..NEVER, so expect SHIT FOREVER HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Anonymous said...

Brilliant. :)

Anonymous said...

No need to U turn turn so many times lah, lucky is saying not to put faith in humans but have faith in God, how come you just cannt understand? Here at woodstitch so many people talk with God all the time. Unfortunately I cannot when I ask God why much suffering in the world but I hear no reply but other people say they hear God reply.

Since I cannot hear because I have not enought faith,and so I believe them lor. And so I believe lucky becase he knows taoism although he not taoist, tell christian to believe in their God although he is not christian and don't believe in God, and belief kong hee is white with black dot not black with white dot not black black one dot one dot although he dun know him personally and is not CAD investigator and tells other peoplr to learn forgivness although he has never stopped criticising ggahmen. How can you not listen to him? Medicine time for me soon, but please tink with your blain.

Anonymous said...

Faith comes by hearing, not reading, God's word. But how to you hear the Christian God? You can't. You can only hear people. So who have these devotees been listening to? KH.
That makes KH God
KH builds up their faith in him. He is God to them even if you insist otherwise. Don't believe? Try removing him and replace a pastor who just read from the book( no commentary to entertain). No music no nothing, just the Christian God. I will tell you, the church business will suffer an immediate death.
Go one step further, no leadership . Only the Christian god is the leader since you say God is the one followers should put their faith in. Will such a church business work? You want to try?
So on all account, there is no God in the church business.If such a Christian God exists, you don't need a charismatic leader to hold them together.
The God in the Christian business IS a MAN.They are all believing in a MAN and therefore different man different account of the book spawning 30 000 ++ version.
You guys are on the wrong track.

Anonymous said...

not only deluded and stupid , they actually believed in a lie.

Anonymous said...

Lie nevermind, they build on it somemore. What did the good book say when you build on falsehood? Go
up in smoke! children , young people, adults, elderlies and respectable people in society all sucked into a vortex of lies. Do you think there will be no destructive consequences?
Consistently throughout history, the bad fruits have been evident. Even today.
But blind faith still persists.
Amazing.

Anonymous said...

now I understand why some churches small membership, some big membership eventhough all claim same Christian god. the MAN who can dare talk the most stupid things will get the biggest congregation. he has to be the stupidest because CAD catch him.LOL

Anonymous said...

No, he is not the stupidest.The stupidest is still at large. That person mouth is even bigger. ;)

Anonymous said...

Faith and Relationship

Faith is not blind. Faith is based on reliable evidence. For instance, how would you know you won't die jumping
 from a chair? You know because you have previous reliable evidence from jumping off even higher ground. So when someone asked you to jump, you can jump in faith knowing from reliable evidence that you would not hurt yourself from the jump.
Similarly, why do you have faith in your family doctor? You have faith in your doctor because his track record of healing formed the basis of reliable evidence. That's the reason why everyone sees the doctor at some point in time and no one sees the faith healer all the time or most do not turn to faith healing at all. 
Now why don't people turn to faith healing all the time? Because there is no reliable evidence that it works isn't it? If such evidence exist, there would be basis for the faith won't it? Hence, when you are seriously ill, you see your doctor, not faith healers.

Relationship. Can you have relationship with dead people? Try talking to a dead body. Say Hi to a dead body. Shake hand with a dead body. Can the dead body respond? Obviously not. In order to establish a relationship, there must be a two way communication. There must be reliable evidence, hence faith, that a link has been established by two living party. So when you get a response from a living person to your question, it affirms your relationship. 

Ask  a friend, and you shall receive, seek through a friend who knows, and you shall find and knock at your friend's door, it shall be opened.
Ask a friend what is 535785325 X 852568855. Your living friend will pull out his calculator and work out the answer for you. Therefore, there is reliable evidence, hence faith, you have a relationship with this person. 
Now stop for a moment. Get your pen and paper ready.  Ask your all knowing friend the above sum. I shall give you 24 hours to come up with  the answer. Meanwhile, get someone you know who knows this all knowing friend. Without showing the question, ask him or her to ask this common all knowing friend for the sum. 24hours later, match your answer with his or her. Will you find reliable evidence, hence faith?
You are told to Test the spirit. Put the relationship to the test. The result may just surprise you.    
  
  

Anonymous said...

Faith and Relationship

Faith is not blind. Faith is based on reliable evidence. For instance, how would you know you won't die jumping
 from a chair? You know because you have previous reliable evidence from jumping off even higher ground. So when someone asked you to jump, you can jump in faith knowing from reliable evidence that you would not hurt yourself from the jump.
Similarly, why do you have faith in your family doctor? You have faith in your doctor because his track record of healing formed the basis of reliable evidence. That's the reason why everyone sees the doctor at some point in time and no one sees the faith healer all the time or most do not turn to faith healing at all. 
Now why don't people turn to faith healing all the time? Because there is no reliable evidence that it works isn't it? If such evidence exist, there would be basis for the faith won't it? Hence, when you are seriously ill, you see your doctor, not faith healers.

Relationship. Can you have relationship with dead people? Try talking to a dead body. Say Hi to a dead body. Shake hand with a dead body. Can the dead body respond? Obviously not. In order to establish a relationship, there must be a two way communication. There must be reliable evidence, hence faith, that a link has been established by two living party. So when you get a response from a living person to your question, it affirms your relationship. 

Ask  a friend, and you shall receive, seek through a friend who knows, and you shall find and knock at your friend's door, it shall be opened.
Ask a friend what is 535785325 X 852568855. Your living friend will pull out his calculator and work out the answer for you. Therefore, there is reliable evidence, hence faith, you have a relationship with this person. 
Now stop for a moment. Get your pen and paper ready.  Ask your all knowing friend the above sum. I shall give you 24 hours to come up with  the answer. Meanwhile, get someone you know who knows this all knowing friend. Without showing the question, ask him or her to ask this common all knowing friend for the sum. 24hours later, match your answer with his or her. Will you find reliable evidence, hence faith?
You are told to Test the spirit. Put the relationship to the test. The result may just surprise you.    
  
  

Anonymous said...

Long long time ago I was a sceptic I ask why brush teeth must brush up to down cannot side to side I ask why we cannot talk in class but must still repsond to teacher I ask why tectbook can have speillng mistake but we cannot have. I myust have evidence because why otherp eople say say means correct, why they can anyhow say but I cannot anyhow say? But insted of happy everyone hate me for usingm y blain they want me to keep quite and follw their law.

Finally when grow up I ask more stupdi question, why people who do nothing get mo$t money$$$ and power$$$ why we must most listen to peole who know the least. So they put me in woodbeach beacuse they say I'm mad. They say I mad because medical manual category say I mad. I think they are mad but I not doctor neber write any maedcal manual so I cannot proof it, anyway woodtwitch is not so bad not as black black one dot one dot as the out$ide world$.

So now I believe everything anyoens say. If you ask me belief in God I say yeah if you ask me belief in $tock market$ I say yeah if you ask me to give money I say I not enough faith sorry besudes I now in woodpeach cannot anyhow spens the $2.50021 US DOLLAr under my pilloz. When you belife evertyhing you will have many friends beco everyone tink they can potong you anf you will be very happy and popular one day you might wakes up with a knife in your back but at least you won't be in woodteach liek me.

Anonymous said...

9/6/10 09:36

ahhh.....god RESTED on the 7th day....hooo hooo ha ha heee heee ho ho..

Anonymous said...

Here's something to take a break from the CHC issue:
http://sg.yfittopostblog.com/2010/06/10/why-should-singaporeans-vote-for-the-pap/

Anonymous said...

智慧永遠填補不了道德的空白

Wisdom can never make up for the lack of ethics

Anonymous said...

You're absolutely right in pointing out one must have faith in God more than anyone else. It'll be a true test for CHC should Kong be convicted. If they stick around and continue expanding God's kingdom, we'll know that Kong has laid the right foundation. If they leave, then it only shows the church was about him.

My prediction is that many will leave should he be convicted. There is simply no other leader in CHC with as much charisma, and visibility compared to Kong. Compare this with Ted Haggard's church where the church membership fell by only 20-30% after his gay sex scandal. And that's largely because Ross Parsely, a world-renowned worship leader, had the capability and character to rebuild the church, even producing albums in the aftermath.

For CHC, it's not just a scandal that affects one person or even a few. It's a scandal (if true), that has the magnitude of the largest religious, possibly secular scam ever in SG's history. I can't see how the bulk of the 30k strong congregation would stick around and rebuild things. And worse, no unbeliever would ever want to get near that church. They can only rely on transferred growth and I don't need to tell you how Christians will react. With no church growth, plus plenty of bills to pay, the consequences are unthinkable.

Point is- is Kong a good person despite his possible crime? If we measure by good works, then why did Jesus tell His disciples about those who asked Him-
Did we not heal the sick, raised the dead, do charity, win converts etc.

Jesus' response was depart from me you evildoers. I never knew you. CHC has done all the above. If Jesus didn't give a very clear reason why he rejected those people, I think He doesn't need the above reasons to prevent Himself from saying the same thing to those who cheat and hurt people's families by plundering people's hard-earned money so that one can live a life of luxury.

The 2nd last word lies with our judicial system. The last word lies with God Himself, on judgment day. Meantime, I pray the Lord seeks justice and fight for the poor and the weak.

Anonymous said...

33,000 IDIOTS

God wanted to know if there are any idiots misusing His name, so He sent St Peter to investigate... St Peter quickly found three - Ah Ron, Ah Mark and Ah Kong - but he couldnt decide which is the biggest idiot. "Never mind," God said, "I'll put them to a test...."

So He asked Ah Ron, "Why do you think you are the greatest idiot..."
Ah Ron proudly testified, "I managed to find an ex-nun and an ex-monk and got them to talk bad about Buddhism....but these two idiots made me a bigger idiot, when I had to go to the Buddhist Chief and the Taoist Chief and said sorry in front of the whole nation....."
"Bravo," God said, and clapped loudly which He rarely did...."you are certainly a big idiot..."

Then it was Ah Mark's turn.....
"Ai ya, that is nothing la.... of all people, I went and mocked the Police and the gangsters for praying to the same Kwang Kong god.... and these idiots got their Seventh Month uncles to hoot me not only in the internet but the newspapers, until the ISD came to know.... it made me a fool when I have to quickly go to kowtow to the Taoist Chief even before the ISD does any thing....."
"Bravo," God said, and he gave a standing ovation which he seldom did....."you are indeed a great idiot...."

Now it was Ah Kong's chance to boast......
"Look God, look below..... there are 33,000 people......"
"What so great about them," God was puzzled....
"Ah, you must know this.....
When I get my cell leaders to play Lady Gaga, these 33,000 people will go gaga, stand up, and shake their heads and wave their hands in the air....
When I use your 30 fold, 60 fold and 100 fold theory, they will gladly part with 10 per cent of their salaries....
When I said I need money to buy a property, they will downgrade their HDB flats, sell their motorcycles and give until tears rolled down .....
They call me Father, even though I am not a Priest, and wished me HAPPY FATHER'S DAY when I kenna interviewsed by the CAD, ISD, COC, Income Tax.etc.."

This time, God did not scream "Bravo,"... instead He walked over and hugged Ah Kong, .... then He whispered into Ah Kong's ears...."I can understand why they called you "Father".... you are indeed the Father of All Idiots......"

Amen.

Anonymous said...

Interestingly, that is what Pastor Kong Hee has always tell the ppl who attend chc too.... I have been around for 10 plus years and at least heard this "build your own altar" sermon 2-3 times....which basically tells us that we shd put our trust in God and not in a man.

Anonymous said...

I stumbled on the site below which gives a brilliant analysis on the nature of the wealth of City Harvest Church. I think it generally speaks for churches which preach Prosperity Gospel.

http://thinking-free-and-fair.blogspot.com/2010/03/analysis-into-wealth-of-city-harvest.html

Joyful said...

Ultimately ... why not go and spend time reading the Bible..listening to HIS WORD.