Friday, August 13, 2010

Feeling out of place in your own country....

A friend of mine staying in the west told me that many of his Singaporean neighbors have moved out in the past few years and his family is one of 3 Singaporean families left on his level of the HDB block. That is what is happening in some parts of Singapore where Singaporeans have become the minority in their own country. We have been told not to be small minded and welcome foreigners with open arms. Most Singaporeans have nothing against the hardworking individuals who come here to better their lives and many of us would do the same if we are in their shoes. We do, however, take issue with the govt opening the floodgates to bring in so many people putting a strain on our transport, housing and healthcare services. We also do not want to end up as strangers in the place where we live surrounded by transient foreign workers who come and go every few months.

51 comments:

Anonymous said...

It is not only feeling out of place. It is also the big sacrifice and deterioration of Singaporean living. When Singaporeans find that surviving here is made worse by the presence of large number of foreigners, how can Singaporeans remain still and do nothing?

Towkay said...

Is it true that transport, housing and healthcare are under strain? As far as I can tell, the roads are still clear, no changes to my private estate in terms of housing density, and the healthcare remains first class - I was able to get a healthcheck at a private hospital days after booking appt. My fellow Towkays and friends in the PAP all reported no changes. Are Singaporeans imagining things as usual?

Anonymous said...

lets ignore this blogger,Towkay..

Anonymous said...

So Towkay is one of those high class Singaporean, that's why these peoples can never understand what it is like to be ordinary class people who is struggling to survive. Ordinary Singaporeans can never think of living in private estate and having health check at private hospital. These are luxuries belonging to the minority high class Singaporean.

Ordinary Singaporeans have to continue to compete with foreigners for survival in the place known as home.
High class Singaporeans are laughing and despising all these comedy.

Anonymous said...

Wait till these foreign workers get desperate and rape or rob your wife and children in your 'wealthy private estate'! It has happened before and it will happen again.

Anonymous said...

singaporeans deserve to feel like a fish out of water in their own country. if you vote for pro-alien party, you get aliens.

that aside, i'm happy to provide another instance. my company just held a dinner and dance, and there was a table quiz. the questions were meant to promote camaraderie and were like "name a colleague who has three kids", or someone who likes to dance etc etc. lo and behold, one question was "NAME A COLLEAGUE WHO IS A SINGAPOREAN".

there you are, Singaporeans are a minority in Singapore.

Anonymous said...

On another thing, will the great influx of all kinds of foreigners bring in deadly bugs and disease into the country?

For instance it was reported that there is a new deadly bug in India which is resistant to almost all antibiotics.

What will really happen if such things spread here on a tiny island of 700 sq km packed with 5 million all kinds of people from all over the world?

It could be as bad as a nuclear attack.

Anonymous said...

Hey guys, chill. Re-read Towkay's post again. He is merely being sacarstic about PAP and their supporters. Towkay is saying they see the world differently from the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Tan and All,
I am been staying in Singapore for sometimes and have seen its' developments, physical, political, social and all.

Reading almost all the social-political blogs since they started, there is only one conclusion that the people of Singapore never and could not be cohesive in any endeavors. They are all for themselves. Even the social-political netizens have never worked with one another.

There has never been any attempt by bloggers, their readers and commenters to gather themselves to forge a stronger, better alliance to make their activism more potent and more effective. The Cyber communities are carbon copy of the Opposition Political parties, splitted, individualistic even within their own parties and communities.

Some bloggers are obviously highly intellectual, professionally qualified and successful in their careers and lives. One cannot help sometimes to suspect that within their successes they are still looking for fames that they have yet to achieve. So here they are in Blogoland to get some of that.

Putting up discourses in the Net to get the limelights without showing the ability to work with fellow netizens expose the sincerities of these bloggers to work for the holistic improvements in the livings of the people.

Another observation is that, in whichever blogsites, there are always another group of participants as well endowed as the bloggers singing discording tunes.

All considered, Singaporeans are all out of place with their own people. They should not blame foreigners.

Observing, Reading And Seeing No Hope.

Anonymous said...

Sinkapore is like the airport transit; better take your CPF monies and get out while you can.
Don't wait for the shit to reach the ar$ehole then look for toilet.

Anonymous said...

Bring in so many FTs, so GDP go up. But now it is "人贱物贵".

Is this type of GDP we want.
Is this type of society we want.

Now people become "cheaper" & "Cheaper", and the "things" become more & more expensive.

Anonymous said...

As a foreigner who came to Singapore under MOE scholarship 14 years ago, I'm also leaving this island next month.

The living cost is just too high in Singapore that even a middle class life has become a luxury.

Fuel Trader said...

I am never leaving this place as long as there is no capital gain tax, inheritance tax, dividend tax and no income tax on earnings gain overseas.

This govt truly rewards those who make money for themselves. The underachievers can bask in their misery for all i care.

I would only be worth 1/3 of my current wealth if i had lived in a welfare state like Australia. i am not giving my money to feed the unemployed!

Anonymous said...

Already we have comments from foreigner here putting us down and not making any bones about it. Next we will have foreign enclaves in our tiny island. Time to reclaim S'pore and kick those ingrates out.

Anonymous said...

Haha..haha
Singaporeans out of place with each other!

How true!

Marriages breakdown, families breakdown, backstabbings at workplace, neighbours quarrel, students envy and jealous of each other and the leaders and the people bicker non stop.

It is hell in such a small place called a first world, it is no better than the Dingo(wild dog in Oz) world-look for them in the Net). It was not the paradise the Brits made it before the sixties anymore.

Something sinister must have happened in the last fifty years. It surely looks ominous for the years ahead.

Lisk said...

Fuel Trader,

1/3 of value? crap, my 3 rm HDB flat was sold and now i got freehold landed property plus investment property.

1 brand new i30 and 2 cheapie Mazda 323 and 626. oh and i working part time. More than 30x. prove me wrong

Anonymous said...

Mark my words, the day will come when your mother, wife & sister will be maids in our own bloody country. No need to go to another country because all the people from other countries are being brought in here. To think that people respect that old bloody geezer who thinks himself god and cares nothing for the people but for himself, family and elites

Anonymous said...

I live near a flat which I suspect 100% sublet to a bunch of PRC men. Honestly I don't feel quite safe but what they do? No money to stay in condo or landed. Alot of my friends and I also feel like strangers in a foreign land. We are becoming minority. Maybe extincted soon.

Anonymous said...

The PAP propaganda likes to frame to argument as Zero foreigner versus the current policy. Singapore definitely needs foreigner but not the flooding kind under Lee Hsien Loong's administration.

Then they say its to replace the population due to low birth rates. However, even after importing more population, they adopted our habits and environment have low birth rates too. Importing does not solve the problem at all. Instead, we should be tacking the problem at its horn and not going for quick fix solution

Anonymous said...

Sinkapooreans only talk big but kwai kwai kowtow to their leaders.

Perspective said...

@Anon 13/8/10 13:18.
Agreed!

And I wonder what happens when the current group of foreigners grow old and become 'economically inactive'? Can wish them goodbye? No, because they are PRs and citizens already.
How are we going to solve the problem then? Import even more young 'economically active' foreigners?
Here's an example of how a snowball becomes an avalanche!

Anonymous said...

Todays was my Son's primary one school in-take balloting day. Even citizens are given 2 balloting tickets. I can see many foreigners being lucky and given a place with having only one balloting ticket. sigh....

Anonymous said...

We foreigners come here and work hard and laboriously for our monies. And yet Singaporeans are saying all the bad things about us when you failed to select your desired leaders. It is pathetic, many of us are living becos we are victims to exploitations too but the bullyings at works are more bearable than the misdirected angers and dirty words hurl at us. May god bless you!

Anonymous said...

Hi Anon 15:35.

Understand You, really do. Me works with mostly foreigner workers, most are hardworking and humble. They are paid poorly as well.

It is good that some of You come and experience the Sin Culture. Home must be where the heart is and me am sure when You said 'living', it could be leaving to return home to your families and your own nations.

Good luck and pleasant journeys home!

patriot

bluerin said...

hiax.. i live in a corner unit.. my neighbour next door are malaysians..my neighbour directly above are filipinos.. it is really stressful to be singaporeans..

Anonymous said...

GE 2006, the pap used naturalised Japanese Singaporeans to give speech at rally. That was a clear signs that they were going to bring in FTs in a big way.

I immediately made frantic appeal online and to friends and relatives to vote against pap in that GE.

The pap won the so-called mandate and became more bolding.

Now we know they have brought in 400thousnad of FTs since 2006, and promised to bring in more.

Fellow Singaporeans, lets do our part in the coming GE. It is a bit too late but we must send out a clear message to this irresponsible regime!

Anonymous said...

Mini Lee is a useless leader and PM, period.

JRT said...

Personally, i am not against the FT. These are good pple who contribute to Singapore, and nothing wrong that they come here for a better living. it is the govt policies that i am against. These inclide the housing prices, infrastructure, medical, wages etc. Enough is being said, i shall not elaborate

If you look at it from another perspective, you really have to take your hat off to the PAP. Importing these FT is a master stroke of art. PAP knows that they are losing support of the local Singaporeans, but yet they refuse to give up their policies and mindset that have helped them to prosper for so many years. By importing these FT and New Citizens, PAP will ensure a larger voters for them and help them win in the next GE. At the same time, it is also a way to exact revenge on the local "ungrategul" Singaporeans

If Singaporeans don't want to give birth, that's ok. PAP will top up the numbers by inviting more FT. If Singaporeans don't vote for PAP, that's also ok. PAP will simply import more FT to make up for the missing votes. And if Singaporeans only want to complain complain and engage in kopitiam complain and now complain in the internet forum, again that's ok. In fact, this is even better! PAP will simply bring in more FT and hopefully the Singaporeans will just emigrate and die. Then the govt needs not incur additional costs to take care of you when you are old, or give out any form of subsidy. The Singaporeans are not needed here. FT by contrast appreciate PAP much more, whom have given them a new lease of life. After all, it is official. Singaporeans are officially labelled as "lesser mortals" by our own leaders

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Lucky,

Our dear Prime Minister has been using increased life expectancy to push back retirement and CPF withdrawal ages. Quite apart from the fact that these measures hurt, rather than help the people affected, the basic argument is also probably incorrect.

Krugman mentions that most (but not all) increased life expectancy is due to falling infant mortality. You dun find that most of your grandparents keel over and die at 65 do you?

Here is a link to krugman about the issue. Perhaps you could help Singaporeans be more aware of the issue.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/13/fun-with-mortality-tables/

Yours Sincerely,
A Kind of Chicken

Your Overbearing Government said...

That's why we need to say NO to Your Overbearing Government aka YOG!

Anonymous said...

They are everywhere - north south west east. As the saying goes, the "low class" PRCs are in Geylang/Kallang, the "middle class" in the west, and the high class at Sentosa Cove. More than 50% of the Sentosa Cove launches are sold to PRCs. If you think the west is bad, you should try some condos like Waterside and Melville Park and Mandarin Gardens at East Coast. Even the management committee have been invaded by Indians. >50% of the residents are easily Indians. In a recent ST report, the residents feel they are in India at Tanjong Rhu. The invasion of foreigners is everywhere. Just take public transport or go to a foodcourt or go shopping at LV.

Anonymous said...

anon above.

So what can you do? Vote PAP out? Emigrate?

You think gahmen care how you feel or suffer?

Moe Gan Thai said...

I am 51 years old, I worry these foreigners compete with us and I can't find a job to support my family. I have 2 school going children and my wife is not working, can PAP help me??

Anonymous said...

The rich PAP ministers does not care about us; and still want us to work betterer and betterest. Why don't we replace them with the so called foreign talent.
Most ministers are not even worth 100k a year in salary. Make them out of jobs and compete with foreign talent too.

Anonymous said...

There are so many hawker stalls, coffee shops and outlets with only Mandarin-speaking employees. None can speak any local Chinese dialects or English, so any locals will find great difficulty in communication. I suggest they should have a sign that says, "We Serve Mandarin-speaking Customers Only" so those cannot speak Mandarin can avoid such places.

Anonymous said...

Actually those hawker stalls or coffee shops with only Mandarin speaking employees also usually serve non Halal food. So not really an issue.

Majority or practically all Chinese people, whether from Singapore or China can speak enough basic Mandarin to understand the menu and prices and ordering their food.

Also this is nothing new. You go to Hong Kong and it's Cantonese everywhere.

Hence those non Chinese who love to eat things Chinese should learn enough (maybe not much) of Mandarin to order their food.

Just like I learn enough Malay to order from a Malay speaking stall.

Anonymous said...

Now it is "物贵人贱".
Some people can die fo just S$900+.

If you own some "things", even if you are just a "fool", you can be very high class.

Do u want yr children to be pushed around, and be very "cheap" even if they have many degrees and papers?

Anonymous said...

I have been talking to a few people. there are people who actually benefited from the influx of foreign workers. Property agents come to mind. A lot of them are raking in millions. Conversation with my friends on the government elites reveal that the influx of foreign workers will continue and singaporeans sentiments will simply be 'managed' since singaporeans have no guts to vote against PAP anyway. So despite all the comments, frankly I don't think anything will change at all in the coming elections.

Anonymous said...

Sir,

Formerly, I live in a country knowas as Singapore. For the last few years up to present, I am living in Sindia, formerly known as Singapore.

Reena said...

What are you talking about? Singapore is suffering migration as every other developed country in the world. Europe suffers migration from Africa, Europeans migrate to Singapore, where's the problem? I see the MRT packed every single morning with Chinese people, we foreigners are not the majority.

Regarding housing, I live in a condo, do you have any problem with that? and healthcare...what healthcare? I come from a country where EVERYBODY gets free healthcare and you're talking about the Singaporean health system being overused by immigrants? Give me a break.

Anonymous said...

To Reena:

The Chinese people you see on the MRT everyday may not necessary be Singaporeans

Anonymous said...

To Rheena,

This discussion and comments made are by Singaporeans about Singapore. Give us a break. Your opinion as an FT is not relevant as you cannot understand how Singaporeans feel. Can you?

Anonymous said...

Well the gov you need GDP growth of 17% to justify their salary. They defintely need more cheaper, better and faster FT. The future is bleak for locals that is hitting 30+ as you facing cheaper faster better FT that will replace you in a blink of an eye considering number of university that a dot size country is churning out every year.

Migrant said...

"I see the MRT packed every single morning with Chinese people, we foreigners are not the majority."

May I ask, Chinese people from where?

Anonymous said...

to Reena,
the problem is too many foreigners who behave and talk like they own the place.
the day PAP scums lose their grip on power, will be the day men-in-blue and decent sporeans jointly condoning insidious backlash.

Anonymous said...

to Reena,



I only have one reply to you, the same reply given to the German Army when they asked the Americans to surrender at the Battle of the Bulge:

“Nuts!”

Singaporean who has been an FT overseas before said...

Okay folks. Let's just chill for a moment. I know that locals are very upset about FTs coming in and the FTs feel that they are getting bashed for no reason. The current situation we face is neither the fault of the locals nor the fault of the FTs. Who's fault is it? The problem has been caused by some people who dress in white and have lost touch with the ground. Are you going to vote them in again at the next election? Think very carefully!

Anonymous said...

Reena

Two words: fuck off

Anonymous said...

Your country?

Anonymous said...

To Reena....
I suppose you must be from India. If you really are, Im just so sorry. Im a property agt. I've seen and served many Indian Tenants/ Buyers. I just have 1 word for you...Cheapskate! So what if you live in a condo. Let me tell you. Just last week, I met a Indian gal who claims she works for Citibank. Rented this condo for $2500 / mth. The owner wanna sell the unit so I have potential buyers coming to view the unit. I remember ckearly that day was very hot. When I went into the house, I ask her, ' you just came back?' She replied 'No, I was home the whole day'. Can you imagine, 3b/rm unit, all the windows close shut, aircon not on. I have to request for the aircon to be on so that my buyers will feel comfy while viewing the unit. She atred into my eyes and say " PUB Very expensive u know" WTF! $2500/mth for a 3 b/rm unit and staying alone, u tell me turn on a/c for few mins very expensive? Then why dont open windows? 'becoz dusty and noisy' You might say this is just 1 special case. I have receive alot of Indian Tenants who are either engineers or IT specialist wanting to rent HDB units. Whats their budget? $1200/mth for 2+1 or $1500 for 3+1 f/furn and with a/con, must near MRT.

Hello....i suppose you people are not paid cheap to come here and work, so why behave like cheapo? Save all your $ for what? Wanna go back Indian buy rice field is it? Just becoz our g'ment gave you a WP you begin to sing their praise. Next time you step into the train and see many CHinese next to you, please ask them their nationality. It'll be a bonus if you get 10 replies coz they might not even understand what you say because they aren't local. Hahahaha

Dale said...

Sinkapooreans only talk big but kwai kwai kowtow to their leaders.