Monday, August 30, 2010

My Take on the ND Rally .....

I was actually out when speech was broadcasted live. When I got home, I noticed both my immediate neighbors were watching it on TV. They don't seem to be people who would be interested in politics. I prefer to watch the recorded version on youtube or read the transcript so that I can replay or re-read key portions of his speech.

The transcript is found here - every paragraph is numbered. I was looking specifically for how 2 issues will be addressed - the income gap under the segment on the economy and how the large foreign influx is suppose to benefit Singaporeans under the segment on immigration.

In para 15-30 (refer to transcript), he attempted to explain the immigration issues. He explained that immigration issues have surfaced around the world including in US where the society is relatively open:

  • "Lessons for us:
    a. Immigration and foreign talent are difficult issues everywhere
    b. They pose very real political and social challenges
    c. But if we can manage these, benefits are substantial" - Para 21 of transcript.

He also mentioned the key concerns of Singaporeans:

    "But they are concerned about:
    i. Competition
    ii. Crowding – housing and transport
    iii. Character of society
    iv. Also want to be sure that Singaporeans are more valued than foreigners " - Para 15
    .

The examples he cited where people have concerns about immigration were countries many times the size of Singapore with low population densities. Yet the citizens find it hard to accept large number of immigrants. In the US, the number of foreign born workers (including those naturalised) is only 15%. The foreign workforce in Singapore is 30% not counting those who are newly converted citizens and PRs. The US is a big country with plenty of room to take in immigrants yet they have restricted the flow...... same with Australia. None of these countries have done it at the same scale as the PAP govt. No other govt except the New Zealand govt has been proactive in bring people into their country - New Zealand terribly is underpopulated with more sheep than people. Immigrants find their own way to US and Australia seeking out opportunities on their own. The Singapore govt has set up offices in many countries offering scholarships, jobs and assistance to settle in Singapore. Singapore is a very small island with limited land and housing. The issue with immigration has never been whether we should have immigration or not but the numbers. Singaporeans have always accepted immigrants in the past from Malaysia and Indonesia but the issue today is with the large numbers in the recent waves that strain our infrastructure. We have probably cross over the point where Singaporeans have net benefits from the influx. PM Lee kept talking about having immigrants to create jobs. We bring in so many that Singaporeans find it hard to get good jobs due to competition especially older Singaporeans who now face the serious problem of structural unemployment and under-employment as a result of the PAP's immigration policies. The PAP's immigration policy is pro-business. PM Lee talks about job creation but the real problem is wages. Bringing in foreign workers in such large numbers has driven down the wages of a large segment of the population resulting in the largest income gap among developed countries without the corresponding safety nets to mitigate the effects of poverty. In the past decade, we have seen the emergence of the "new poor" and a growing ultra-underclass that will result in serious social problems in the future.

.................."Basic principle: citizens come first....", para 31

In para 31 to 35, PM Lee tried to reassure Singaporeans that they come first and they will be protected. Looking at the PAP policies, it is hard for me to believe Singaporeans come first. Businesses come first. Remember the casinos (oops IR)? Many suggested that since the PAP govt claimed that main benefit of IRs is jobs for Singaporeans, they should have concrete targets for the % of Singaporean workers hired at the IRs. That is what the Hong Kong govt did for the Hong Kong Disneyland. For a business that was granted a special license to operate a business with such high margins and negative effects the society, the PAP govt could have secured greater benefits for Singaporeans but it refused to do so. At the end of the day, one the casinos owned by Malaysians will be making more than $1B a year, filipinos and mainland Chinese celebrate the large numbers of jobs for them and Singaporeans lose their shirts gambling there. So who came first in the govt's decision to allow the building of casinos? The IRs are just one example. Over the years, Singaporean workers' job security, retrenchment benefits, retirement and healthcare benefits etc have declined under the PAP govt while corporate profits as a % of GDP have climbed to new highs. Singaporeans don't come first. The PAP govt with the large network of companies to which it is linked has diversified its interests beyond that of ordinary Singaporeans.
  • "Finally, we need immigrants to make up for our population shortfall
    a. Our efforts to produce more Singaporean babies have not yielded results
    b. Despite all our measures, last year we had fewer babies than 2008" - Para
    27.

I've pointed out a number of times on this blog that the above logic is completely flawed. Singapore's workforce today was born in the 1960s to early 80s when the birthrate is higher and this period also include the baby boom years when birth rate was more than 3 per couple. We can only compensate low fertility rate today by importing babies or young kids not the large number adults brought into the workforce. The main reason for importing adults is to artificially expand our workforce to generate economic growth. Doing this will in fact cause more problems in the comng decades when this large workforce age - we will have a bigger ageing workforce issue down the road.

The entire speech misses one key issue - income inequality. PM Lee emphasised the importance of maintaining high economic growth but he did not tackle the problem of wealth distribution. More and more Singaporeans are left out and don't benefit from the growth in the economy. In fact they suffer from the price increases that occur during periods of economic growth and they don't see corresponding increase in their wages. Singapore had rapid growth in the 70s -80s and we had the number one workforce in the world during this period. It was reported recently that 20% of this group of elderly Singaporeans who contributed to the most rapid growth in our history live in poverty and will never be able to retire("Not So Golden Years For the Elderly in Singapore", Straits Times [Link]). With the huge income gap today, we can expect an even bigger % Singaporeans in our generation to face these problems in the future if nothing changes. What is the point of economic growth if it is not shared more equally? I'm not going to accept a system that will leave so many of my fellow Singaporeans living in poverty, unable to retire and working until an elderly age as our leaders pay themselves the highest salaries in the world. The PAP govt is not going to change this - the PM doesn't even talk about it during the ND rally.

55 comments:

http://vonhayek.blogspot.com/ said...

Below is what I speculate about PAP's policy. PAP foremost interest does not align with Singaporean but more on her own political hegemony and business interest.

Statistic has shown in many countries the foreigner support the political party that facilitate their immigration. The simply neutralizes dissenting Singaporean.

Foreigners here serve to jack up property price which benefit their cronies company and jack up their treasury.

Beside, as Singapore advances, our whole corporate and civil service would need to be less paternalistic which our elite is reluctant to.

Lots of migrant will depress wages and make job mobility difficult, and create an ultra underclass. That serve to frighten the middle class, which will then make sure they themselves show up at workplace humble and sycophantic.

To preserve this system, PAP would also need to ensure constant emigration of some of our smartest upper middle class. These people who are well-traveled, sits on upper management and are well-informed are threat to PAP if they refuse to be co-opt into the system.

By ever jacking up property, creating a stressful environment and no hope of social mobility, many of our top middle class simply left, effectively taking off steam.

Anonymous said...

Dear Lucky,

With such bleak analysis, what is in store for Singapore in the future generations? Voting out PAP is highly unlikely. At the rate things are going, the proportion of underclass will grow. Those mobile and able will leave, unless they are part of the elite that feed off the system. I simply don't see any possibility in change of direction. Very depressing indeed.

Anonymous said...

transform your depression into action! go join a political or social activist group.

have a voice, make yourself heard. you have a say in how you want your country to be run. you shld not be serving 2 years of NS for anybody but for yourself, your family and your country.

go, go, go! it's stupid to mope around while waiting to be slaughtered.

Anonymous said...

At this rate we are going, we are just like lemmings rushing to jump off the cliff, marshalled by our "elected" government. Time to change course.

Anonymous said...

Lucky,

My random thought-
(1)Singapore is probably the only place in the world where foreigners(resident foreigners plus resident foreign companies) take more than 40% of the fruit of its economy every year.

furrybrowndog.wordpress.com/.../a-quick-examination-of-singapores-economic-figures/
(2)The strategic mistake of PM Lee government was its concentration on increasing GDP,instead of per-capita GDP or household income

To increase GDP,it is easy in the context of political reality of this little red dot,increase labour and capital input which PAP did within their absolute power

To increase per-capita income,the key is productivity which our finiance minister seem to discever only last year,but with such a huge transient foreign workers,I dont think it can be successful,and we shall know it by the end of this year the result of the campaign

(3)Casinos-another huge mistake,as you pointed out,the only certain result is that we zero into the greedy nature of our Chineseness,as all bosses fr LV know the value of Chinese gamblers.So Sands and Genting are now laughing their way to their banks

We position two huge foreign casinos,next door to our homes and to the financil hub,where trillion dollars are available to be dispensed every day.

Anonymous said...

You are either anti establishment or downright naive. Singapore is like a big shopping center, it needs customers for businesses to thrive. Most singaporeans operate the businesses as retailers, food vendors, consumables, leisures hospitalities and our ports are the busiest in the world. Bringing in foreigners not only provide our local businessmen with cheaper and hardworking workers, the increase in population simultaneously increase the consumptions. The increase in population works symbiotically with better businesses and it works in a wonderful cycle. Our transport operators, education, health services, hawkers and everyone get to become more prosperous. Car retailers, maintenance services, everyone doing business gets to share the growth. The old folks also gain for having more discarded recyclables to pick and make money instead of loitering around and wither away.
You are lucky but do not know how to appreciate how lucky you are as everything is planned for you and other singaporeans. Many singaporeans fly around the world and you are one widely travelled professional. Tell us Lucky that you have found another country more safe and comfortable than singapore.

Alan Wong said...

"... we will have a bigger ageing workforce issue down ..."

Maybe PAP is more interested in their own survival now to care about the future problems down the road.

In the next decade or so, the younger generation of today will probably have PAP to thank for when the existing unemployment, overcrowding and medical inadequacy problems will continue to deteriorate and get severely compounded.

If our PAP government can't even solve the existing problems that we are facing now, how can we expect them to solve them when they become more severe ?

Seriously, PAP has not even dared to talk about its plans for the future problems. So are we convinced that that is the way to go ?

Anonymous said...

The following are quoted from Page 3 Prime Section of The Straits Times reported on Thursday, 29 November 2007.

Note:
Local includes Singaporean and Permanent Resident
In reality, if a company employs local, the company can be employing only permanent residents.



THE STRAITS TIMES THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 29 2007
Page 3 PRIME
"==================================
Doors open wider for foreign workers

Rules on quotas eased to allow more hiring at all levels, especially S-pass holders

Companies hungry for workers cheered ...

They are a very welcome, very timely and very significant response ...

BRING MORE FOREIGN WORKERS IN

All sectors
-----------
Increasing S Pass
Jan 1 '08: 25% of company's total workforce

Enhanced Personalised Employment pass (PEP) Scheme from March 1 '08:
PEPs are granted to individuals based on their own merits, and are not tied to specific employers.
Foreign professionals whose last drawn fixed monthly salary overseas was at least $7000 will be eligible for a PEP.

Construction and Process sectors
--------------------------------
Jan 1'08: 1 local worker to 7 foreign workers
Mar 1'08: 2-year work experience needed to be exempted from Man-Year Entitlement quota

Marine sector
-------------
Jan 1 '08: 1 local full-time worker to 5 foreign workers

Manufacturing sector
--------------------
Jan 1'08: Up to 6.5 out of every 10 workers in a company can be foreign

Services sector
---------------
Jan 1' 08: Up to 5 out of every 10 workers in a company can be foreign

=================================="

Aurvandil said...

Good bit of analysis. The part which got my attention most was the part on immigration and the impact on housing and transport. Both were discussed extensively in here and other blogs. Previously the position by numerous ministers that immigration does not affect our social infrastructure. Remember all those funny numbers Minister was using to show how foreigners were not pushing up prices. PM Lee finally acknowledged this is not true in his speech. Ditto for transport and the MRT. The cost cited for upgrading the MRT was staggering - $60 billion. We can only wonder where the money for this will come from. It now looks like 10% GST after the elections is inevitable. Ditto for higher ERP charges and substantial fare increases. I suppose this is the price you pay when you allow problems to fester and grow as opposed to taking action earlier.

lim said...

What I would like to know is how pap intends to tackle the cpf min sum issue for a NORMAL person just starting work today..

He will be starting off with $0 in his cpf, and with median wage now hovering around 2.4k, how long will it take for him to "catch up" with the ever increasing min sum (starting with 123k this year)..

Tharman said he will increase median wage to 3.8k in 10 years time, by then min sum will be 183k assuming 6k per year..

This min sum scheme looks like it will be a huge problem for future generations..

Anonymous said...

The towkays and businessmen in your blogs did provide some factual and practical realities.

Me agrees very much with them their philosophies on doing business and the stances of being an employer and entrepereneur.

Their likening of SIN as a shopping centre seem apt as SIN was sort of a business centre as an entrepot port since the Colonial days.

A shopping or business centre indeed requires customers to survive. How would You or anyone suggest to better the businesses or at least keep the businesses going instead of having to close shop?

patriot

Anonymous said...

Hi,

WIS is supposed to ameliorate the income inequality issue. But S$400M to 400,000 people amounts to about $1,000/year per person, or about $83/month. They can definitely do more.

So, the mechanism to help is already in place, we just need to nudge the gov to spend more on WIS.

Regards.

http://vonhayek.blogspot.com/ said...

Re Annon 31/8/10 10:32

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A shopping or business centre indeed requires customers to survive. How would You or anyone suggest to better the businesses or at least keep the businesses going instead of having to close shop?
/////////////////////

Cities like Geneva and Zurich keep all middle and low migrant out. They are prospering and kicking.

Towkay said...

I can vouch that PM Lee and PAP really care for citizens first.

For example when my Towkay buddies and I needed thousands of foreign talent for our businesses, the government let us hire these foreign talent without hinderance.

When we needed a boost in our profits, the government gave us job credits. I was able to get a BMW for my kid from the job credit handouts. My kid is also a citizen.

Some of my foreign talent became citizens and they were exempted from NS so that they can concentrate on their careers. My new citizen talents are so pleased with PAP.

So I am always puzzled when people like Lucky tell me PAP do not care for citizens.

Anonymous said...

Only successful businessmen can understand Towkays. The only way for singaporeans to succeed is for them to know that the PAP will do all it can for their citizens. Enhancing your assets, providing you cheaper and better workers. Give you best leisures money can get. Ensuring your wellbeing and safety. Cant really ask for more.

Anonymous said...

Re Annon 31/8/10 11:28
##
PAP will do all it can for their citizens. Enhancing your assets, providing you cheaper and better workers. Give you best leisures money can get. Ensuring your wellbeing and safety.
##

Unfortunately, what you have written is too far from truth.

Its Singaporean who provides well being for the elites.

Its Singaporean's $80 billion that Ho Ching and Tony Tan bet and lost until pants drop.

Singaporean is such hardworking and clever that anyone can run autopilot. Don believe you ask Stamford Raffles and all the Brits.

Anonymous said...

Dear Lucky

I was actually waiting for your postings. Those letters written in to the Straits Times pale ten thousands miles from your postings

I hope more people will read your postings and form their own opinion. We should not take everything that is presented to us wholesale. Gone were the days where the govt knows best. Everyone, please help to promote Lucky's postings

jamesneo said...

The ND rally is totally useless and does not address one future problem that will hit us: the extreme high inflationary pressures on essentials that will become very serious due to US about to start QE2 and thus exporting the inflation all over the world. Food prices increase of 10-20% per year or worse, escalating electricity and water bills, escalating transport bills and depreciating property prices.

Anonymous said...

"PM Lee emphasised the importance of maintaining high economic growth but he did not tackle the problem of wealth distribution. More and more Singaporeans are left out and don't benefit from the growth in the economy."

How to when the bulk of GDP growth is earned by foreign MNCs such as those in the biomed sector, which exports most if not all their profits back home?

Or our GLCs which increasingly employ more foreigners because they are cheap, and these foreigners are so thrifty they hardly spend and remit their earnings back home?

Anonymous said...

One thing will neve change our the spirit of singapore though. I just had a mother, loud mouth mandarin speaking rude bitch who propped next to my seat without first asking, like so most civil people would, whether sits are taken or not. Now, she is talking loudly with her friends in fronnt of me as if her idiocy is the most interesting topic in the world.

Is this shameless bitch typified our Singaporean spirit? A loud mouth married woman with kids, close to 40 years, shamelessly shooting off her mouth in front of a stranger?(in an attempt,perhaps, to irritate this stranger)

I think so....

The wage disparity problem in this nation also produces a social disparity in society.

Anonymous said...

What is most irritating about this bitch is she speckled her speeches in english and mandarin - completely broken,loud and shameless.

That makes me wonder what this nation did to produce idiotic shameless bitches like her.

Towkay2 said...

Hi Towkay,
We think the same. We can replace our Singaporean staffs with cheaper foreign talents. Don't you agree that doing so, we have more profits and these contribute to more GDP growth. With more GDP growth, there are more happiness.
With more profit for us, we can buy more BMWs. Cheer.

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Anonymous said...

"Singaporean is such hardworking and clever that anyone can run autopilot. Don believe you ask Stamford Raffles and all the Brits."

Singaporeans CLEVER in crying father crying mother, kaopeh kaobu, talk bad about superior and chenghu but when come face to face with them, will kowtow most respectfully. See how the hawkers and those at the markets and PAP held events act like poodle to MPs and everything is self explanatory.

Anonymous said...

The day we become too comfortable and under-motivated is the start of our downfall...so said an associate professor who specializes advertising, consumer behavior and branding.( today's papers)

The entire article is basically devoted to her kind getting the best of both work and self interests.

But for the rests who don't command that kind of pay she does, the day for you to get too comfortable and pressure- motivated will never let up.

Modern slavery, to your work, for the average person, and being fruitful as a person, will be greatly blurred.

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Anonymous said...

Calibre singaporeans will be able to better appreciate the great wisdoms of LKY, PM Lee, Ministers Wong Kan Seng, Vivian Balakrishnan, Shangmu, Mah B Tan, Lim Swee Say, the towkays, successful business leaders and CEOs of listed companies. The plebeians may have to take Minister Lim S Say advice to learn and upgrade before they could understand how much sacrifices and hard works the leaders have to put in for the people to enjoy the prosperity. Singaporeans who have travelled abroad should know that wherever they went, not a single country is as modern and safe as singapore.
Lucky Tan should know.

Anonymous said...

We are now slaves to this prosperity. Depending on which quadrant of the economic pie becomes your share, it could mean a charred siew pie or a beefed up pie.

Anonymous said...

I think lucky has problem with the phrase "cunt on me Singapore" because of the wide incunt gap

Anonymous said...

LOL

Aurvandil said...

I wrote the following article about nine months back. Mr Tan Kin Lian was kind enough to post it up on his blog. It addresses many of the issues of the FT policy in a frank, candid manner which PM Lee unfortunately did not do in his NDR. The article and the discussion which followed is worth a read is you want to know the bitter truth about the FT policy.

http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2010/...ther-jobs.html

Please note that when I wrote the article, the problems of transport and housing were not as apparent as they are now.

rookielim said...

Lucky,

Every issues touched on in the NDR speech are related to issues raised by internet community (e.g., the overcrowded Jurong East MRT etc,). If the netizens do not keep up the pressure, PAP would have just taken us for granted.

Without the pressures from the netizens, PAP would not have even be bothered to put in any effort to "humor" us i.e., throw us some small change S$9,000 in recognition of our sacrifices in serving and defending our country while the huge numbers of FTs get to enjoy and make money in Singapore, in the safe environment that we Singaporeans provide. Ha Ha Ha!

Keep up the great work!

Anonymous said...

True to habit, the government thinks the solution to the widespread unhappiness over male PRs and new first generation citizens not being required to do NS is to dole out some $ crumbs to NS liable male Singaporeans. What irks the people is that there are young male foreigners fully funded to study here who need not serve NS but can work in Singapore after receiving secondary to post tertiary education FOC and apply for PR and later Singapore citizenship without having to serve NS. (It is not just 2 1/2 years full time but also reservist liabilities which disadvantages the male Singaporeans in jobs). What a lame excuse and shabby logic to say that it is not practical to induct these foreigners who take but do not give because to do so will be having the equivalent of Dads army! Even if these are not fresh faced graduates but more experienced foreigners in their thirties or forties who can really contribute to Singapore, they can always be inducted to serve NS ( part-time if necessary ) in non military and less physically taxing jobs before Singapore citizenship is granted to them. Why, even females are employed in the military in non combat vocations. The government is either plain stubborn or ignorant or both! Or it thinks as is usually the case that the populace are three yr olds and can be managed with threats of mata come to catch you if naughty or a lollipop if you are a good boy. Tpui!

Anonymous said...

Tan Kin Lian is a very successful Singaporean. He was a part of the PAP Labour Organization for many years. Now he is probably very much a successful businessman or towkay himself.

Anonymous said...

What the Hell !

Someone just said all the oldies who served National Service will not benefit from the $9K Grant.

And I heard the Prime Minister declared that PRs who serve NS will be entitled to the Grant when they turned citizens.

SO, we older original Singaporeans are indeed a class or two behind foreign born.

What kind of leader are we having ?

WTF !

patriot

Anonymous said...

put it this way....the harder these highly motivated elites work because of all the big fat carrots dangled before their saliva dripping and ready to suck these big carrots mouths, the harder the non elites will have to keep up just to make an extra buck to buy his or her coffin.

however these "bums" upgrade to keep up, it is just another buck more here and another buck more there till one fine day, the joker runs out of luck, either he/ she end up breaking the law or die of "unfortunate circumstances" beyond the elites control.

I think that's what lucky is trying to say in so many words

Anonymous said...

"I think lucky has problem with the phrase "cunt on me Singapore" because of the wide incunt gap"

It makes it HARDER to "stand up" for Singapore?

Anonymous said...

I am Towkay-3 and I agree with the other Towkay's that the policy is making us richer everyday. I am grateful to them but they should be grateful to us too since we (the super rich Towkays) are their pay-benchmarks. You see how helping us can also help themselves greatly. I love this kind of WIN-WIN policy, don't you?

By the way, the list below is important if you wish to be amongst the benchmarks. Can anyone advise if it is accurate?

Top 30 Highest Paid Politicians in the World (All amounts per annual EXCLUDE bonuses, MP allowances, pensions and other sources of income such as Directorship, Chairmanship, Advisory, Consultancy, etc to Gov-linked and gov-related organisations or foreign MNCs such as
Citigroup, etc.)

1. Elected President SR Nathan - S$3.9 million.
2. Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong - S$3.8 million.
3. Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew - S$3.5 million.
4. Senior Minister Goh Chok Thong - S$3.5 million.
5. Senior Minister Prof Jayakumar - S$3.2 million.
6. DPM & Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng - S$2.9 million.
7. DPM & Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean - $2.9 million.
8. Foreign Affairs Minister George Yeo - S$2.8 million.
9. National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan - S$2.7 million.
10. PMO Minister Lim Boon Heng - S$2.7 million.
11. Trade and Industry Minister Lim Hng Kiang - S$2.7 million.
12. PMO Minister Lim Swee Say - S$2.6 million.
13. Environment Minister & Muslim Affairs Minister Dr Yaccob Ibrahim - S$2.6 million.
14. Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan - S$2.6 million.
15. Finance Minister S Tharman - S$2.6 million.
16. Education Minister & 2nd Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen - S$2.6 million.
17. Community Development Youth and Sports Minister - Dr Vivian Balakrishnan - S$2.5 million.
18. Transport Minister & 2nd Minister for Foreign Affairs Raymond Lim Siang Kiat - S$2.5 million.
19. Law Minister & 2nd Minister for Home Affairs K Shanmugam - S$2.4 million.
20. Manpower Minister Gan Kim Yong - S$2.2 million.
21. PMO Minister Lim Hwee Hwa - S$2.2 million.
22. Acting ICA Minister - Lui Tuck Yew - S$2.0 million.
23-30. = Senior Ministers of State and Ministers of State - each getting between S$1.8 million to S$1.5 million.

Compared to those poor leaders in other countries:

Barack Obama - United States (S$555k)
Nicolas Sarkozy - France (S$441k)
Angela Merkel - Germany (S$420k)
Gordon Brown - UK (S$387k)
Taro Aso - Japan (S$337k)


A-HA HA HA
The Proud Towkay3

Anonymous said...

I am Towkay-3 and I agree with the other Towkay's that the policy is making us richer everyday. I am grateful to them but they should be grateful to us too since we (the super rich Towkays) are their pay-benchmarks. You see how helping us can also help themselves greatly. I love this kind of WIN-WIN policy, don't you?

By the way, the list below is important if you wish to be amongst the benchmarks. Can anyone advise if it is accurate?

Top 30 Highest Paid Politicians in the World (All amounts per annual EXCLUDE bonuses, MP allowances, pensions and other sources of income such as Directorship, Chairmanship, Advisory, Consultancy, etc to Gov-linked and gov-related organisations or foreign MNCs such as
Citigroup, etc.)

1. Elected President SR Nathan - S$3.9 million.
2. Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong - S$3.8 million.
3. Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew - S$3.5 million.
4. Senior Minister Goh Chok Thong - S$3.5 million.
5. Senior Minister Prof Jayakumar - S$3.2 million.
6. DPM & Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng - S$2.9 million.
7. DPM & Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean - $2.9 million.
8. Foreign Affairs Minister George Yeo - S$2.8 million.
9. National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan - S$2.7 million.
10. PMO Minister Lim Boon Heng - S$2.7 million.

TBC...

Anonymous said...

cont.


11. Trade and Industry Minister Lim Hng Kiang - S$2.7 million.
12. PMO Minister Lim Swee Say - S$2.6 million.
13. Environment Minister & Muslim Affairs Minister Dr Yaccob Ibrahim - S$2.6 million.
14. Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan - S$2.6 million.
15. Finance Minister S Tharman - S$2.6 million.
16. Education Minister & 2nd Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen - S$2.6 million.
17. Community Development Youth and Sports Minister - Dr Vivian Balakrishnan - S$2.5 million.
18. Transport Minister & 2nd Minister for Foreign Affairs Raymond Lim Siang Kiat - S$2.5 million.
19. Law Minister & 2nd Minister for Home Affairs K Shanmugam - S$2.4 million.
20. Manpower Minister Gan Kim Yong - S$2.2 million.
21. PMO Minister Lim Hwee Hwa - S$2.2 million.
22. Acting ICA Minister - Lui Tuck Yew - S$2.0 million.
23-30. = Senior Ministers of State and Ministers of State - each getting between S$1.8 million to S$1.5 million.

Compared to those poor leaders in other countries:

Barack Obama - United States (S$555k)
Nicolas Sarkozy - France (S$441k)
Angela Merkel - Germany (S$420k)
Gordon Brown - UK (S$387k)
Taro Aso - Japan (S$337k)


A-HA HA HA
The Proud Towkay3

Anonymous said...

Define "talents"; root out criminals!

Any foreigners, including PRs of course, who have been convicted in Singapore, should be sent packing!

With casinos around, we can't afford to have these foreign criminals - prostitutes, violent stabbers, pimps and gangsters, roaming in our streets as PRs.

Kick out foreign criminals, or Vote out PAP.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Lucky

Our population has already increased by 90k to 5.08M. Thats probably about 60k new foreigners. Looks like PM Lee will meet his target.

PAP can do this because they have already won the next election by default. And there is surely more to come.

I am not sure how long SG can wait for you. Could you consider getting your friend Mr Lee Chee Wai to stand in for you? I do not know how much his worldview has changed since school but I recall he is pretty smart. His IQ is at least 10 points higher than everyone else here. Excellent pedigree. A bit of red mist when it comes to religion but he is certainly good enough to give PAP candidates a few sleepless nights.

DanielXX said...

i can sense that PM Lee genuinely wants to do well for Singaporeans. After all, it runs in his blood. But the way he changed tack from non more immigrants to 100,000 immigrants to maybe less during his NDR suggests there are undercurrents in various lobby groups or maybe his pool of ministers themselves. I suggest he should have the political courage to offload those morally corrupt people who have their own interests, rather than that of Singapore, at heart. We don't need GDP growth, we need GDP per capita growth. Big Difference.

Anonymous said...

The whole session talks about bringing in lorries of foreigners and try to solve overcrowding problem. Do you see that? I did. That is why I say his speech is rather empty. He creates a problem for us and try to solve it by having more train network, etc.

Please, GDP growth do not make citizen rich. I do not need overexpanded economy to get a job. Singapore creates enough jobs for Singaporeans and not millions of jobs for foreigers and overcrowd this little island.

My concern is I do not want more foreigners in my estate. There are just too many foreigners speaking foreign language living around me.

Sorry, I do not buy his idea.

Anonymous said...

We need mamasan to sleep more so Danny boy can drink from big neh neh.

Anonymous said...

PM, our danielxx likes big neh neh. Can you qualify only big neh neh foreigners to be citizens so he can go into milk business and compete with magnolia?

Francois said...

@ anon 20:22

Honestly, do not expect the ruling party to care for the best interests of the citizens.

What PAP wants is really anybody who can contribute to the monstrous GDP growth. Criminals and model citizens alike, all are welcome to this City of Sin(gapore).

Miss Lim said...

Haha, I can't believe all these fools who keep crying about low wages and so on. If you want to earn more, marry someone rich so you can enjoy a better life, lahz!

Or else, sell yourself to the PAP. Why care about human rights and being kind to others when this is a "dog eat dog" world?

Have all of you forgotten what the PAP have done for us like doing away with the crazy Marxists in the 80s? Or the Barisan Sosialis who were such a menace the ISD needed to wiretap them for years and the government had to launch Operation Cold Store to do away with these elements who were corrupting Singapore society?

Or how about the PAP's efforts at cultivating in our children a healthy and wonderful admiration for them through National Day songs or even school songs? Where else but in Singapore and also, North Korea, would you find such loyal subjects at such a young age? It moves my heart to know they would probably not mind sacrificing everything they have, for our country! Not to mention dying for Lee Kuan Yew if the country undergoes intense rioting!

To all parents reading this: Singapore is filled with hidden enemies also known as the opposition. If your children have even a bit of sympathy for them, report them to the teachers, police or the ISD. A few hours of questioning and harsh punishments will help to straighten out those numbskulls who dare to admire crockheads like JBJ(or his son), Chee Soon Juan or even Chiam See Tong.

Singapore needs to strengthen its campaign in crushing all dissent, before the PAP falls and instability strikes us.

I urge all of you to look into your hearts and realize the forgotten admiration for Lee Kuan Yew and his efforts in executing harsh measures in order to transition Singapore from a backwater country into a first world society. It's many thanks to LKY, which is why we can enjoy world class services in Changi Airport or even our clean state of water like NeWater. Remember, without LKY, Singapore would be full of nothing but cursing coolies who're too uneducated to tell the difference between politics and policies. Would you all rather be married to some Hokkien-peng butcher incapable of speaking proper English or to a world class graduate who will earn as much as $10,000 to $30,000 per month?

The choice is yours, people. But Brothers and Sisters, our sacred Comrades, please bear arms so we may vanquish the opposition from Singapore! These unholy devils need to be crushed out of existence with the help of our Great and Supreme Leader, Lee Kuan Yew. We must nurture the fire of the PAP so we can continue to outclass other nations.

Durian Freak said...

looks like the 9k is not for ORD personnel before 29 aug 2010.


read 1st Sept's new paper for more details!

Anonymous said...

No problem with the $9K NS Grant.

Big problem with the issuer of the Grant. He is practising multiple standards. Higher paid higher grant, low ranking and low pay(during NS) lower grant. Past NS Men no grant, future NS including PRs turn Citizens will get grant.

What kind of logic and reason ??

Sicken patriot

Anonymous said...

Now I don't know who to believe. The SMRT CEO said that it is a matter of choice if you wish to board the train, but LHL said that we have to wait for the next one!

Anonymous said...

No proper job, how to survive?
Talk so much abt immrigartion policy, high GDP growth also no use.
When u are underemployed and the cost of living is so high (bec of high GDP growth?), then u understand what is "tough" life.

Anonymous said...

我想说的是,我们此刻真的是在帮中国"腾笼换鸟"。把他们不要的人移民到这求才若渴的地方。听说他们那人口政策有些更改,以允许多生一个,没关系反正有出路。

Anonymous said...

I always thought our well-paid ministers are bringing in FT only as a temporary stopgap measure to fill in for skills/expertise relatively few numbers of S'poreans possess. And the ministers will address this by changing our education system so more citizens will have the said skills. Maybe they haven't done the restructuring of the education system and just keep on bringing more FT to fix the "need." Five million is a lot leh, more congestion on the roads, in the MRT trains and stations, longer lines at the bank, ATM, restaurants.

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