Thursday, January 20, 2011

Reform Party's Tony Tan on Imported Labor, Fertility and Quality of Life...




Tony Tan gave a very sensible explanation why we cannot allow the PAP to keep doing what it has done in the past few years - importing foreigners to keep the GDP growing. It is simple maths. If the PAP govt maintains the current rate of foreign influx, we will hit the limits of land and infrastructure within 5 years. Once we get to 6 million people, our quality of life will be badly degraded - just look at what happens to overcrowded cities with very high population densities. Importing people to grow the GDP is an unsustainable strategy with painful unacceptable tradeoffs.

Going forward we have to increase productivity because that is the only path to beneficial and healthy economic growth and get fertility back up as some countries have done by being serious about it - lets do away with those old policies and incentives that are hindered by the desire to socially engineer (through eugenics) our population i.e. based on the ideological unscientific belief that only the rich and graduates should have more children. The Reform Party says now is the time we reclaim our future. If we miss this chance for change, our children will never forgive us for letting them down.

76 comments:

hayek said...

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One of his point is brilliant. He mentioned something like at 6 million, we will still have fertility problem.

And the predictable PAP's solution would be to import some more.
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This is ponzi FT policy till infinity. When we reach 1 billion, PAP would still tell us we need to import the whole world, moving the goal post more and more.

FT policy is nothing but recalibrating Singapore to slavery. I guess LKY must also wish to leave legacy that he produce economic growth up till the day he meet his creator.

Anonymous said...

Dear Lucky and all,

I need to say this lest there may not be another opportunity to do so after this year's elections.

As it is, there are many angry Singaporeans on the ground. Now, more than ever, I think it is imperative to get the message out. After this election, Singaporeans would see themselves being systematically outnumbered by this present administations' policies's policies of bringing in more than another million foreigners here.

Their policy is aimed at changing the profile of the native Singaporean voters. If we don't send a clear signal, the next time we do so, in 2018 would be too late as there are not many native Singaporeans around. By then, emigration is the only option. And if you stay here, you have to tolerate it.

Life and quality of life for the turn of the tide is crucial in this 2012 election. This is the last chance. After that, we won't talk about Singaporeans anymore. That's being systematically extinct. We should talk about addressing ourselves as fellow colleagues working for the Singapore Government Inc. rather than addressing ourselves as fellow Singaporeans. 40% of the people on this island are foreigners and this number is set to be 60% after 2012 election.

If we don't pay heed, we're in trouble. It's all down to this 2012 election. After this, things are irreversible as the profile of voters have changed. The ratio of native Singaporeans to newly annointed foreign citizens would have been lop-sided.

My honest advice to people who are considering of leaving Singaporea because quality of life has dropped due to overcrowding is to pay particular attention to this election. If their policies still hit more than 60% voters, it means there are many apathetic citizens out there who have been hoodwinked and wouldn't know what is going to hit them. The tell-tale signs is already there.

You should stay in Singapore only if the votes for PAP is less than 60%. This indicates that there is still hope that Singaporeans have not been so heavily conditioned by the propagandistic media and government. But equal and above 60%, start looking outside Singapore. There is no point in debating and discussing anymore.

I, too, won't be here.

Anonymous said...

I teach in a secondary school. You have no idea how many young teachers below 30 years old are working 12 to 14 hours a day, not including bringing work home. Family life is deemed as a burden. And you are not seen as a good team player if you take time off for medical or family reasons. Does that affect Singapore's birth rate?

Anonymous said...

"""are working 12 to 14 hours a day, not including bringing work home. """

Wait till u work in pte sector then u know.
Low pay, no hope and long hour. No long holiday some more.

Anonymous said...

Long holidays are a thing of the past. 2 solid weeks of the June holidays are booked for remedials from 8am to 12 noon, followed by CCA in the afternoon. Normal working day. Maybe even longer, if there are overnight CCA camps.

December holiday also the same. And there are alot of department meetings and committee meetings for student camps in the coming new year.

No more long breaks. 14 days a year if u r lucky.

hayek said...

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I teach in a secondary school. You have no idea how many young teachers below 30 years old are working 12 to 14 hours a day
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99% of work u did is redundancy created to exhaust you.

I was a school teacher now doing R&D. I think school life is 10x tougher.

People cannot imagine the horrible politics ad nausea. 99% of Principals, HODs are wicked till the point unimaginable.

Those MOE boss actively create fighting among teachers. I was kicked out the moment I screwed my P threatening him I want to expose his shit to MOE, regarding $ and sexual mis-conduct. (MOE hate whistle blower)

Anonymous said...

Agreed.
The work is still bearable, but the politics can kill!!

Anonymous said...

Dear Teachers

Check this out->
http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/admissions/returning-singaporeans/mother-tongue-policy/

Some FT children only need 3 subjects at PSLE?
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Yes, a student who rejoined primary school mid-stream may be exempted from taking the Mother Tongue Language at PSLE. He may attend the Mother Tongue Language lessons if he so wishes....

These pupils' PSLE aggregate scores would be adjusted so that they are neither disadvantaged nor advantaged.
//

Anonymous said...

Hey Mr Lucky

Have you finally decided to stand for election?
I must have missed that announcement. Fantastic!
Otherwise, I would say that this is mental masturbation.
Again.
U know. 2 backsides vs 82 backsides. Esp when they made it clear if you cream pie PAP, they will be up (figure of speech) your fanboys. Car prices, electricity, taxes, medical, HDB prices, FTs ... you moan it, they up it!

Anonymous said...

I hope at least 28 opposition candidates, including Tony Tan, win at the next elections.

Why 28? Because that's the minimum required to deny the PAP a 2/3 majority in Parliament, assuming still current total of 84 seats. Only then can the opposition deny PAP (and provided the opposition is united on this too) the passage of bills to be passed by PAP in parliament.

Or else even if Tony Tan and 10 other opposition candidates get elected, PAP can still do whatever they think is best, not what Tony Tan, Lucky Tan or what not Tan (except Mah Bow Tan) think is best.

And things will still be status quo, no matter how brilliant Tony Tan or Lucky Tan's arguments.

Or better still, the opposition form the next government.

Is this a fat hope?

Anonymous said...

Hey Lucky,
I'm voting opposition definitely. I can't imagine life for my kids if we don't send a strong message that "WE DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO OUR COUNTRY!!!" Is there something we can do to draw more votes to opposition?

Anonymous said...

This may or may not be relevant to this topic but I'm gonna vent here! I'm a FTWM and the news of the week for me is that 17 maid agencies have agreed to increase Indo maids' pay to $450. This is an 18% increment assuming current pay is $380!! Lucky, you talked about bus/taxi fare increase, never mind, I just psycho myself to think at least is still cheaper than having a car, you talk about utilities keep increasing, never mind, I just try to cut down on aircon usage etc, but with both parents working (in order to keep up with ever increasing expenses), when grandparents (still working) and childcare centres (getting more and more expensive too) are not an option, a maid is our last option. It is not just $10 or $20 increase but a whopping $70!! You add the monthly levy etc and we pay easily $700 per month? Needless to say, I am NOT considering having another child.

mr charisma said...

i am sad to say Tony Tan of the reform party has absolutely no charisma. stammering away, keep reading his notes, monotone, and holding his notes and mic at the same time.

Geez, he need to go for some public speaking courses.

A good point and idea is useless if you cant present it. Maybe he should look at how hitler and LKY address the crowd. perfecto!

Anonymous said...

Teachers are well taken care of:
The proofs are:

Teachers are paid highly to enjoy
1 week of March holiday,
4 weeks of June holiday,
1 week of September holiday,
6 weeks of Nov-Dec holiday,
1 day of Teacher Day holiday,
1 day of Youth Day holiday,
1 day of Children Day holiday,
1 extra day of National Day holiday on 10 August,
many less than half day works, including eve of Chinese New Year, eve of National Day,
eve of Teacher Day,
eve of Youth Day,
eve of Children Day, etc.
and the best thing about Teachers is that they are paid high salary and 3.5 months bonus year in year out,

e.g, fresh graduate teachers pay is the second highest, just less than the doctors pay, among all the different professions,

e.g, my friends who are teachers had toured 20 countries during the June and December holiday over the last 10 years with each overseas trip lasting minimum 2 weeks. The best thing is that teachers are paid with full salary and bonus during their happy holiday trips.

Where on earth can you find anyone who works as non-teacher has toured so many places year in year out?

Anonymous said...

Anon above

I also heard that a lot of teachers need psychiatric help. Is it true? Any insiders can enlighten?

Somemore as reported in the news, there were cases of teachers who are perverts, and some are charged in court for sexual offences involving minors who are their students. And these are only the reported cases. Unreported cases?

Or is it because of the good pay, it attracts all kinds of people, and also not easy to detect psycho cases during recruitment?

hayek said...

There is 2 class of people in MOE. On top is the white horse, scholar, rich man scion, P, VP, HODs, boss favorite, pretty girls...etc

Example 1
The job for them is basically Cho Bo Lan (do nothing). My previous HOD Lee XX conducts around 8 hours of lessons a week, to some of the top classes, and in some cases less than 20 students a class.

He always grap NIE trainee for one of his class, when that happens, he conduct 4 hours of lesson a week to less than 20 students.

He got no CCAs, no camps...etc. And given that he serve for a long time, his salary should be around S$10 000 a month. (I estimate base on fact that a MOE official HOD usually draws $8000)

Example 2:
Scholar XXX.

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http://app.sgdi.gov.sg/listing.asp?agency_subtype=dept&agency_id=0000008305
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I can identify few of the scholar here. They are made "senior head" after teaching in schools for around 3 years.

How much is "senior head" paid? I have no idea, but I believe its way above "executive".

Example 3:
Pretty girls, bosses pet, wicked people.

Teach good class, average 16 hours a week. In charge of CCA-lite such as badminton, basket ball, soccer.

Promote to 1A2 within 4-5 years. Salary hit and stagnant and around $6k, do routine job, take MC occasionally.

Bosses doted them like mad.
___________________________

In commenting MOE, we need to separate those privilege and those that are "condemn". Then we can arrived at a clearer picture.

MOE is indeed a socialist heaven for some of the most wicked parasite I ever seen.

Anonymous said...

How come teachers complain so much? Every job now is long hours with no OT pay and low pay. Teachers should count their blessings.

I know a SIM accountancy graduate who works 12 hours a day for $1.4k a month. Those in the construction sector work even longer hours for less than $3k.

hayek said...

Give you some example of how MOE is run.

Run a NA class in strict discipline, complete silence. HOD come and tell me "your students are not responding".

NA class make some noise, HOD say "you cannot control your students"

Teach algebra and NA/NT students failed to learn. HOD say "teaching no good". (His students fail as well)

Collecting forms like "Parent Approval for Excursion" from NA/NT class is impossible to be complete. HOD come and say "you made MOE liable for a lawsuit" in case of accident.

Students from NA/NT refuse to hand in exercise book. HOD say "you sabo student's future because you are not doing your job"...etc

Scold naughty NA/NT students, HOD say "you sabo student's future because you are making them unmotivated".

Of course, everyone is doing the same thing, just that those "privilege class" in MOE will be able to do whatever they like and get no reprehension from bosses.

This is what that drove people crazy and quit. If you see meet those who manage to stay there for many years telling you life are good, you can assumed that he belongs to the "inner circle".

Anonymous said...

If your solution is for our people to increase in productivity, wouldn't it be the same solution as lim s.s. when he told us to work...... better,faster and cheaper?

haha..what happened next? you end up being forced,just like it did to pap, by economic reality that plagues every city. haha

so reform my foot..haha

Anonymous said...

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If your solution is for our people to increase in productivity, wouldn't it be the same solution as lim s.s. when he told us to work...... better,faster and cheaper?
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You are really a fucking idiot. You have the same productivity as cave-man 6000 years ago per se.

Your productivity gain is due to investment in equipment. A office girl with a PC is more productive than her 20 people 20 years ago.

Lim SS has either no idea of what productivity is or he is a plain liar.

Anonymous said...

There are several HODs who are very free. These HODs have so much available time that they can do many sidelines such as private tuition. They charge minimum $100/hour for one secondary subject.

High salary + high bonus + high tuition fees = Rich HODs

Anonymous said...

hmm, all these problems brought up indicate that it's not so much the workers that should be sent for training and upgrading, but the bosses who should be doing the learning.

and in tony tan, we see the typical product of a singaporean education, as well as a typical candidate for scholarships. no wonder we're wading in poo.

TEACHER said...

"Teachers are paid highly to enjoy
1 week of March holiday,
4 weeks of June holiday,
1 week of September holiday,
6 weeks of Nov-Dec holiday,
1 day of Teacher Day holiday,
1 day of Youth Day holiday,
1 day of Children Day holiday,
1 extra day of National Day holiday on 10 August,
many less than half day works, including eve of Chinese New Year, eve of National Day,
eve of Teacher Day,
eve of Youth Day,
eve of Children Day, etc.
and the best thing about Teachers is that they are paid high salary and 3.5 months bonus year in year out"

And office workers are highly paid to enjoy a 9 to 5 job.

My point: it's true on paper, but in reality the teachers do their marking, etc during weekends and P.H. as well. Have you seen a National Day contingent of teachers during rehearsals? See what they do during rest breaks - marking.

"e.g, my friends who are teachers had toured 20 countries during the June and December holiday over the last 10 years with each overseas trip lasting minimum 2 weeks. The best thing is that teachers are paid with full salary and bonus during their happy holiday trips."

Great for your friends, but they do not form a fair representation of 30 thousand teachers in 300 schools in Singapore. Some have it good, many don't.

"How come teachers complain so much? Every job now is long hours with no OT pay and low pay. Teachers should count their blessings."

Don't everyone? Why are we complaining here. We should count our blessings?

Anonymous said...

Teaching has changed a lot over the past decade, especially with the implementation of the Enhance Performance Management System (EPMS). The EPMS pits teachers against teachers, and actively encourages them to work against each other, instead of with each other.

In my school, the principal encourages the HODs to fight amongst each other, thinking that this is the best way to make everyone work harder.

Teachers undermine each other's authority in front of students to enhance their own authority. Teachers fight for students to run their own agendas so that they can look good during the work reviews.

Seriously, most of us have no breaks during the 1 week march holiday. A holiday for students is NOT a holiday for teachers by default.
Drive by the school during March holiday and you can see how busy the school still is. Students come back in the morning for extra classes, and in the afternoon for CCAs. It is the same during June and December long breaks.

How to have time for family and babies when the civil service also does not have family-friendly work practices?

Anonymous said...

People do hv a perception problem when Teachers apply for jobs in the pte sector. People believe this is a very simple and easy job. People still believe in what the ST said.

It is bad to use "Perf" to kill-off team work, sharing and even forced people to be "selfish". It is bad to encourage people to be "selfish and greedy". This is not the value system we want to impart to the students.

"上樑不正下樑歪".

The value system has changed beyond recognition.

Anonymous said...

Your productivity gain is due to investment in equipment. A office girl with a PC is more productive than her 20 people 20 years ago.<<<<<<<<

>>>>>>>> duh. what if everyone has a dickgree and pc? Instead of productivity, you end being prosfuckability.

Whyaretheoppositioninvisible? said...

Dear Lucky,

Let me be honest. Your site is mroe visible than any of the opposition.

The opposition in Singapore is invisible. More than ever, it has to be visible to the public. And this is the time for it to up its visibility and ground work. It should forgo letters and phamplets but simply engage with the people in their daily rounds. Cut cost and interact more with the people.

I would urge you to take a braek from blogging for a few days and do a much more impactful course of action given your leverage among the netizens coommunity of Singaporeans. Write a letter to the opposition and urge them for the need for greater visibility in these coming months. The weightage in these months are higher than any other months as election is looming. There is no point to win simply 4 seats.

Thus far, in our recent history, we have not garnered much opposition seats.

If the oppositio is serious about this, then we too, will see their visibilty increase.

Write that letter.

Singaporeisathridworldamongthefirstworlds said...

Speaking of EPMS in the teaching, it does nothing but to instill jealousy and ill-will among teachers, eroding collegial relationships in the fraternity. Teachers are told to treat each other as competitors. This is a bad value. We should promote cooperation not competition. MOE's Civics and Moral edauction curriculum is still soft all these years. Many teachers don't teach CME as the teachers themselves are placed in a system that pits them against one another. With such a system, you expect the classroom teacher to be empowered to teach CME? The teacher would be thinking she is teaching hypocrisy instead.

Anonymous said...

Vote wiselee, vote for change,not $mall change.

Anonymous said...

Don't think the so-called "perf" system apply only to teaching.
Most likely it is being applied to all "pub & pte" sectors alike.
Not sure what is the impact on them?
On the one hand people are told to share, bec sharing is "good"; so that the younger people cld leran fast & take over; and so u cld be moving to "higher level".
On the other hand, people are "forced" to compete with one another and make yr "associates" look bad so that u cld move ahead.

Anonymous said...

Reform, conform or deform, this is a competitive world, these politicians wannabes are going to whip your asses one way or the other.

Changes? Yes, jackpot for them.

Anonymous said...

I will vote for somebody like this Tony Tan.

Clear eyed said...

"i am sad to say Tony Tan of the reform party has absolutely no charisma. stammering away, keep reading his notes, monotone, and holding his notes and mic at the same time."

But I say he is much better than any of the parasitic white duds. At least he has fire, which is more than what can be said of the zombies snoozing in our Parliament. Give Tony a chance. He just needs more practice and he will make the Old Man sound like a broken record player.

Anonymous said...

Scholar Tony Tan is a good man!
It is sad that PAP could not get him!

Anonymous said...

How much pay Tony tan to kick pap asses? 1M?

Anonymous said...

*Facepalm*

The teachers made this thread a complain thread about teaching.

The teachers in my time would comment:

"Fail! Went out of point! Please stay withing the topic that we are discussing"

Anonymous said...

the way i see: singaporeans (especially teachers)are too cow to vote for opposition.

Anonymous said...

It is not just the problems of T.
Others may be facing similar problems.
We should look at it with open minds, as these might be the common problems faced by the working adults.

Anonymous said...

"i am sad to say Tony Tan of the reform party has absolutely no charisma. stammering away, keep reading his notes,......"


Puhlease...I would much rather give my vote to someone who shows sincerity and has genuine passion to improve the plight of the people with affirmative action, rather than to slicked-up smooth talking politicians dispensing excuses and lies from up above on their comfortable high horses down to the people.

Anonymous said...

Very funny.
In taiwan, some even "knee down" to beg for votes.
Do u feel funny?
How wld people react to such things if it happens here?

Anonymous said...

@mr charisma

and wow, i suppose WKS and LSS are charisma personified. geeeze.

tony, good speech. sensible and pragmatic. i especially appreciate the humility in admitting that implementation details are lacking -- and it is only irresponsible if a party claims they already know the details, because that is patently false. i rather vote for ideals and capability, rather than false details. once again, very well done.

hayek said...

news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Business/Story/A1Story20110121-259587.html

Guangdong, China hike minimum wage by 19% to 1300 Yuan or S$200.

While China is finally kicking its elite backside mandating wealth sharing, PAP still stick to the phony theory that minimum wage hurt competitiveness.

LKY and LHL is going down history as a clown.

Anonymous said...

The teachers did not hijack Lucky's post. Neither is this a sidetrack.

What the teachers did was to highlight the family-unfriendly work culture in the civil service itself. Long hours, overtime and frequent bringing home of work all play a part on low fertility rate of Singaporeans.

And the worst part is that as the civil service is running campaigns to boost birth rates, it is at the same time, actively threatening its employees with adverse performance grade if they do not put in long hours of overtime at work.

Nan Chiau Secondary School is a classic example. School management implicitly threatens its teachers with a 'D' grade if they do not volunteer to conduct regular weekend lessons. School leaders believe they can get away with such family-adverse work practices because they cow their staff into submission or because they believe they are well-connected enough to cover up such practices even if they are found out.

Anonymous said...

Why not start a facebook calling it "Schoolleak" allowing teachers to expose ugly MOE?

Principal X Singh, is someone of dubious character who likes to bragged that he once was being "kick out" by 7-8 (cannot remember exactly how many) schools when he was a teacher.

I heard from my source that he even smoke and act macho by smoking in front of class when conducting lesson.

(He must have good political support to survive in this game)

He likes to share his wisdom of life and talk dirty jokes in meetings.

Anonymous said...

Teachers want high salary, high bonus, plenty of holidays, plenty of employment benefits, etc,

BUT

Teachers do not want to work more, do not want to contribute more, complain about more work, show poor work attitudes, etc.

What is this?

Teachers have 2 choices only:
1) Teachers have more work, therefore have high salary and high bonus.
OR
2) Teachers have less work, therefore have low salary and low bonus.

hayek said...

Re
"
Teachers want high salary, high bonus, plenty of holidays, plenty of employment benefits, etc,
"

P and VP DO NOTHING. P's salary can hit $230 000 a year.

HOD can teach as little as 4 hour a week to less than 30 students and draw up to $10 000 per month. (They always exploit NIE trainee)

Tax payer need to rid of such parasite.

Anonymous said...

Did or do "nothing" means no sweat, mostly mouth does all the work.

Which reminds you of people who talk only,no action or all the dirty works are done by subordinates and worshippers.

This is a ... Religious disease really.

Screw your own pastors before you screw PAP elites.

Anonymous said...

We worship THE MOUTH.So if you feel shiok being sucked, don't complain.

Anonymous said...

hayek 22/1/11 10:00 mentioned that
"HOD can teach as little as 4 hour a week to less than 30 students and draw up to $10 000 per month. (They always exploit NIE trainee)"

HOD teach less so that they have more free time to moonlight. HOD can give private tuition at a price of
$100++ per hour per student per subject.
This tuition income is not declared as income so they don't have to pay any tax on this hidden tuition income.

Anonymous said...

Seriously, no wonder people have less respect for teachers these days. No wonder singaporeans kids turn out shit.Teachers, go Fart yourself.

Anonymous said...

HOD Choo T() has a brother working in the press. He got an impression he likes to visit prostitute when he speak.

One of my friend told me that he(my friend) always go prostitute with Choo T() brother.

HOD Sng was my former form teacher who is hypocrite enough to discipline me something about moral values.

In MOE, I know from my colleague he always like to go Thailand.

Anonymous said...

You guys should debate over why brains are favored more and subsequently paid much more than brawn.
We know neither is indispensable. The planners and the builders are both important in achieving objectives but since when does a CEO get paid thousands of times more than a cleaner who keeps his asshole clean?

If someone can make sense of this then perhaps the widening income gap between the brains and the brawn can then be resolved?

Anonymous said...

Civil servants and teachers are complaining on this site because we have no real outlet to air our grievances. If the opposition supporters response to us is to mock at us for airing our grievances, then it is clear that the opposition does not want the civil servants' votes. The opposition is also making a stand that if it takes power, it has no intentions of righting the wrongs of the PAP government.

So, why should we vote for the opposition?

Anonymous said...

Anon 13:56

Because assholes are controlling the treasuries.

Anonymous said...

That point about productivity, I just passed a road paving works in progress this morning. There was this group of at least 6 FW paving a patch of road not much bigger than 2 by 2 metres sq! They were practically in each others way. That's how little they cost that the contractor can afford to deploy so many for such a tiny job!

Anonymous said...

Re
"
You guys should debate over why brains are favored more and subsequently paid much more than brawn.
"
Are you sure these P, VP, HODs are "talent"? I think thieves would be a better word.

In a school X, everyone there speculate the P kept his former students as mistress. The school's result is like shit.

You think bosses there are "talents"?

Anonymous said...

The MRT is overcrowded the whole day. I can't allow the government to bring in another 1.5 million foreigners. We will all suffer from flu attacks more than often from the overcrowding. Why are we tolerating this?

Anonymous said...

Principal keeping former students as mistresses? This is new. Blow the whistle man! dt

Anonymous said...

Dear Teachers,

Let me try to explain what is going on here. I understand you feel robbed. That the entire bureaucracy is standing on your shoulders. This point of view is clearly and obviously true when you look at your so called talented "HODs" and "principals" who draw high pay and do little work.

On the other hand, many people on this website look at all teachers the way teachers look at their HODs. It is not uncommon to find people working 16 hr days, 7 days a week and doing it for 5-6 months at a stretch. And this is considered good, because you have a job. Many jobs are contract based, often 6 months. Our of my peers, I know that 70-80% have had periods of un-employment of up to one year. My information is about the academic industry, these are the people that actually publish the papers and do the work, not as is commonly assumed, the professor. However, I believe that what I say is true for many other industries.

So dear teachers. Please meet the others half way. You are royally screwed. But you also have to acknowledge that there are others who are so badly screwed that they think you are living in heaven.

=)

Anonymous said...

There are many teachers who are giving private tuition several times per week.

This shows that teachers must have lot of free time. This means that the teachers are doing negligible amount of school work, and not doing a lot of school work as what some of the teachers falsely claimed that they are doing.

Ironically, teachers are paid high salary and bonus so that they have more free time to give private tuition.

Anonymous said...

Now i would like to see those who crave to be in the old man's shoes live a spartan life.

This non religious man lifestyle puts modern day preachers to shame

Anonymous said...

Teachers, including HODs, who give private tuition do so at the expense of their own teaching careers.

To find the time to give tuition, they have to take it from somewhere. We all have 24 hours a day. Some teachers stay back in school past 7pm daily to do their admin work, CCA, meetings or writing reports. Some teachers leave school by 3pm so that they can go home to rest, be with family or give tuition on the sly. They cut corner on their school work more openly.

But it still bring us back to the same point. Many of us in the civil service are overworked, and are also faced with family-unfriendly work practices on the ground. Principals and HODs are known to penalise teachers who are too family-friendly, and many of us are pressured into staying late to avoid getting bad grade.

So, the government's aim to improve fertility rate is being actively sabotaged by higher ranked civil servants themselves.

Anonymous said...

Even if u stay late;
Even if u work very hard;
u are not guarantee to get "good grade"? U may still not get any "bonus".
"Perf" is a ubjective & biase thing.
Even if u spend time giving tuition, and earn a lot more money, u may still get "good grade" & more bonuses.

Anonymous said...

Teach less to learn more.

If Work less can earn more. How nice!

Anonymous said...

sg is first world costs of living but third world standard of living. however, sg are too timid to vote for opp.

Anonymous said...

Comet to think of it, he was rather magnanimous to have his house demolished so his neighbors could see the value of their homes appreciate.

What a man.

Anonymous said...

There used to be news about singapore wanting to "buy" over a part of malaysia and jointly develop it as the iskandar region.

Everyone knows that singapore is really lacking alot in natural resources such as land.

And i feel that singapore should really push through to purchase some parts of our neighbour and connect it to the mainland.

There's a debate on how government can strike a difference between singaporeans and PRs. with no offence to PRs, since there's lots of complaints that they drive prices up, singapore could consider housing them at the iskandar region, away from the main island.

i feel that workers dorm built in mainland and factories occupying the mainland are "wasteful" and should be moved to the iskandar too.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous @ 22/1/11 14:34

"Civil servants and teachers are complaining on this site because we have no real outlet to air our grievances......

So, why should we vote for the opposition?"

Lets be clear. This is your country and mine. Whether you want to vote for who is your choice. If you are going to choose your votes because - cry me a river - people disagree that a teacher's life is not THAT terrible, be my guest.

You know what. The market value of non-teachers is worse than other occupation. If you choose to screw the country up due to frivalous reasons, be my guest. You civil servants will find it tough to get employment in other countries. The lawyers, bankers, engineers, doctors ... etc. They dun.

You poop in the living room out of spite, we can try to leave, but you are stuck. Think carefully. You will be eating what you cook.

You are an educator. You are behaving like a child.. "mummy mummy they dun agree with me so i see no reasons to vote opposition!"

Grow up.

Anonymous said...

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You are an educator. You are behaving like a child.. "mummy mummy they dun agree with me so i see no reasons to vote opposition!"

Grow up.
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Burn in hell

Anonymous said...

i thk wat the gov care is on growth only... growth in the pockets... i thk wat thy plan is 2 get more smart talented PRs so thy can produce smart babies.. tis is wat "he" said in U Tube rite... Uni+Uni = smart babies... thn tis way in the futher ur son will end up payin more tax n contribute 2 thier pockets...

Anonymous said...

To anon 19.59 Grow up u say. Ironically, these people who vent out their frustration here have grown-up. To ignore the writings on the wall is being foolish. Suppose you own a company, are you going to tell your people to grow-up or will you act and get to the bottom of such greviances and feedback?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"To anon 19.59 Grow up u say. Ironically, these people who vent out their frustration here have grown-up. To ignore the writings on the wall is being foolish. Suppose you own a company, are you going to tell your people to grow-up or will you act and get to the bottom of such greviances and feedback?"

26/1/11 11:37

Read in context please. The teachers in this discussion are inconsolable. People have acknowledged they have a tough life and impored them to do the right thing: vote wisely. Many also pointed out that there are many who suffer the same plight and asked them not to belabor on their complaints.

The teachers' response was a threat that if people dun listen to them whine endlessly, they wun vote the opposition in.

"Civil servants and teachers are complaining on this site because we have no real outlet to air our grievances......

So, why should we vote for the opposition?"

These people are willing to cut of the nose to spite their face. I would think some growing up is in order.

Adam Soong said...

" Why the Performance Bonus or EPMS assessment has nothing to do with quality education"

The EPMS pressures teachers to keep coming up with kinds of programmes to fatten their portfolio

Student leaders carry out these programs for the highly graded teachers

So mainly the older teachers are given the Grade D because their proposed programmes are rejected or one reason or another - to allow the young to lead.

The Super G to H scale education officers are paid more than $150 K yearly?

But the young teachers who are inexperienced get burned out, coming out with all kinds of programmes to please their Principals, in order to avoid getting the D grade. (These programmes allow the Principals to obtain high performance bonuses.)

Teachers attend all kinds of mostly time-wasting meetings, workshops, because these are part of programmes that allow ‘key personnel’ to obtain their performance bonus. Imagine being made to attend workshop on how to teach students to write an analytical piece of essay over and over again, 3 times a year, and for 10 years. A waste of time, but for the Committee members of this workshop to get their performance bonus. Do not even dare to complain, because you are seen as uncooperative, not having the helicopter view. So what kind of values are teachers showing each other, and what kind of values can be imparted to students?
All teachers spend time calling parents, doing CCA, marking, carrying out school programmes, calling parents when students are late or absent from school, giving extra lessons, counselling students, marking attendance, the works…
Teaching is done. But quality teaching? That’s not important, it does not contribute to your performance bonus.
But who cares.....
How is one to impart values of diligence, excellent work, integrity when half the time you are politiking to get your performance bonus?

It is not about how much pay teachers get, it is not about how much Performance Bonus (or none) that teachers get, it is about 'values' that top officials only mouth, but do not much bother about anymore.

You can't award bonus to jobs (like teaching) that defies grading in terms of performance. How do you grade how much effort a teacher puts into teaching or how much concern/care she genuinely has for her students? Surely it is not by counting how many projects/programmes he designs? If that is the case, students become the receivers of these (mostly quite useless) programmes. It is not a question of 'if'. Think! Has it not become a reality?

Anonymous said...

Imagine you need to have a major operation done. What kind of surgeon will you trust with your life?

You want a very good surgeon, one who is skilled in the specific operation you are undergoing.

Not one who spends lots of time 'holding your hands' (ie pleasing you by hours of listening to your fears etc)

As a layman you may like this kind of surgeon better, because you know no better.

But surely you expect skilled surgeons to be given better performance bonus?

What if the performance bonus of the surgeons/Doctors are based on how much their patients like them, how many projects they come up with, how many papers they publish and his skills at operating are taken out of the equation?

I can tell you this for sure. You will not feel very comfortable when you need a major operation.

This explains why the performance bonus for teachers (like for surgeons) should take into account the key area for assessment. In the case of the surgeon, it is their skill in operations. In the case of the teachers, the academic performance of the students must be considered, at least give it a 50% weightage.

Otherwise teachers only bother themselves with all kinds of useless and repetitive programmes.

Sandman said...

Tony Tan may not be as polished and well-spoken as many of the PAP's candidates, but here's a man with an essential quality that most PAP MPs seem to lack: Compassion.

chandra said...

Tan, was perfect in his decision!
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