Wednesday, April 06, 2011

Why having Social Mobility is not enough....

In recent days, we see the PAP introducing their new candidates to the press and to Singaporeans. You can find a series of video on YouTube in which the candidates summarise their life story, tell about their love of Singapore, how they succeeded in life and why they want to give back to society. Even though these people have chosen joined the PAP and, by virtue of that, generally have different views from me, I believe some of them are sincere when they say they want to help the poor and the elderly. They are sincere but they are also wrong - wrong to think they can help by joining the PAP...by joining the PAP they help to preserve the status quo, the ideology and perpetuate a system that yielded very poor outcomes for those in the lower rungs of our society.

In those YouTube videos, many of the new PAP candidates introduce themselves like this : they were from a poor family, worked hard and succeeded in life and so conclude that Singapore has a good system. Using their own extraordinary feats of social mobility they jump into the conclusion that the Singapore system is good despite the income inequality because social mobility gives everyone the chance to succeed.

"She was a 'good grassroots leader' and her experience helping her parents in their family-run coffee shop showed 'she knows what it is to be poor and to work hard" - PM Lee on Tin Pei Ling..

"From being able to travel to Hong Kong every year to see him, suddenly, we had problems getting pocket money," recounted Mr Choo, 33. He added that his father had to borrow money to put food on the table. "- PAP's Desmond Choo, telling his story.

"The 47-year-old senior vice-president at DBS Bank spent most of his growing up years not certain if there would be enough food on the table, or knowing if he would be able to complete schooling. His father was an odd-job labourer who carried rice and vegetables, and his mother worked in a factory to supplement the family income." - PAP's Mr Gan Thiam Poh's story.

I'm not going to exhaustively list all the bankgrounds of PAP candidates who are from poor families but they all said the same things - they understand what it is like to be poor, they joined the PAP to help poor people and the system we have is good because they have succeeded. One of the worst things a person who wants to help the poor in Singapore can do is to join the PAP govt. They will be required by the PAP party whip to vote for all sorts of policies that will harm the poor such as GST hikes, influx of cheap foreign labor, increase of retirement age etc and as PAP men & women they have to support an ideology that is against more direct help the poor, safety nets, minimum wage and greater rights and equality for workers. Worst of all, their success stories are used as testimonies to show that the "system is good" and no major change is required. For each of their great feat of social mobility, there are hundreds of thousands of workers struggling at the lower rungs It is not enough to tell these people that they could have made it or their children have some small chance of making it - the large and expanding income gap means their chances diminishes with each passing year. Most people are not born with the high intelligence (oops some you may disagree!) of PAP candidates - ordinary people have average intelligence and half the population have below average intelligence - telling ordinary citizens they have some chance of success or explaining to them their plight is due to their own lack of talent is not going to satisfy them. They can see that the inequality is built into the system and when the income gap is so large to amplify the differences among people, they will feel the system is unfair and unjust...

Lets not forget the system we have today is the product of years of undemocratic semi-authoritarian rule during which the rights and benefits of workers were reduced, independent unions disappeared and came under the control of the govt and headed by a minister. Under these circumstances, it was possible to push through policies that caused the economic inequality in our society to expand and our income gap grow to the largest among developed countries. Every 4 years, the PAP will introduce candidates who say they understand what it is like to be poor and want to help the poor...4 years later the cost of living rises, the income gap grows and they bring in even more PAP candidates who say they would like to help the poor. The truth is joining the PAP is a bad way of helping the poor because it preserves a system and policies that will not help the poor.

139 comments:

oldhorse42 said...

Under present system, union chief also sit in the board of business houses as director and receive shares of the company. The more money the company made, the richer he becomes when he receive more shares and the company shares appreciate in value.Whose interest does he choose to represent?

Anonymous said...

Perfect case history in point - Vivian B. Like Vikram, V.B was also a champion debater during his youth.

He was full of enthusiasm when and ideals & principles when joined the MIW. He asked for a chance. He got it.

Look at what he has turned into now.

"Do you want 3 meals at a hawker centre, food court, or a restaurant?"

The Arthurian said...

'...it was possible to push through policies that caused the economic inequality in our society to expand"

Yes. Inequality is policy.

Anonymous said...

That is about right or at least 'poked' in the right direction.

Their selling pt is..from 'rags to riches, and 'yes you can'.

There is also a consistency in their choice of leadership.

One of which is, the gift of the gap, or those with great command of the English language(people are easily impressed).

Naturally, the pool of leaders generally speak well(the gap of deception lies here) - unlike the oppositions.

But the main criteria to be part of the 'A Team' is....you must be "teachable". In Today's language, we say the person must be "mentorable"(women dig this, read the forum) ...like Ms Tin.

And we know why, don't we?

But that's just a side show.

Despite their vast sum of knowledge and experiences, I wonder why they don't know how to spell the word...hypocrisy?

With all their brain power, how come they spell it as...hippokecrisis?ha.

Apparently, there is a lot of hip-poking-crisis going on.

Their hip-poking has generated a lot of hip-poking from the people hmmm...not careful, they maybe hip-poked out of their jobs.ha

patriot said...

Lucky,

Your argument that joining PAP would perpetuate the policies which marginalise the poor does not hold well from the perspective of those new candidates who have benefited from the current system. The underlying assumption of this PAP system is that there will always be some who are left behind. And since this is a meritocratic society and as long as the policies allow social mobility, it is up to this group of people to work their way up.

This type of thinking is so ingrained in this system that it has become part of the societal DNA. Everyone, from PAP to the common man on the street to even the Opposition members, seems to assume that meritocracy is the way to go. To the extent my understanding of your beliefs and principles gleaned from your excellent writings are correct, you (and other like-minded folks) have to attack this assumption that meritocracy is the only way, and demonstrate how and why meritocracy is and can never be defined properly (which means the system is open to abuse) and meritocracy works well in an ideal world where everyone starts on an equal footing or, in our current societal terms, has the same socio-economic background.

Maybe I'm the only one who has not figured out or seen through the system completely, but I would call on all those who are reading this to examine their position or inclination towards/away from the values of the PAP system and to think about their main motivation for change. Do you acknowledge the system is fundamentally ok and we just need some check and balance or alternative like what the Workers' Party is suggesting? Or do you think the system has fundamental problems and need to be de-constructed and remade (think SDP)?
Or ....?

In any case, please vote wisely.


patriot

Anonymous said...

One of the late Michael Jackson song is about the man in the mirror.

They looked into the mirror, but unfortunately, they didn't get the message. LOL.

Anonymous said...

Dear readers,

Watch GOPALAN NAIR’s talk on freedom of speech in :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glJb7RbV79Y

Pls bear with him for the initial part, the second half of the video is more interesting.

After watching the clip, you will truly understand what is the meaning of freedom of speech.

Todate, Mr Gopalan is still a practising lawyer in California but the California State Bar will not penalise him or disbar him for his speech.

Readers, if you find it amazing, pls help to circulate for others to watch. Thks

Anonymous said...

another lawyer again. :)

Anonymous said...

"Their hip-poking has generated a lot of hip-poking from the people hmmm...not careful, they maybe hip-poked out of their jobs.ha"

How cum with so much fukking around by the people we still have insufficient babies? haha

sgcynic said...

“One of the worst things a person who wants to help the poor in Singapore can do is to join the PAP govt. They will be required by the PAP party whip to vote for all sorts of policies that will harm the poor such as GST hikes, influx of cheap foreign labor, increase of retirement age etc and as PAP men & women they have to support an ideology that is against more direct help the poor, safety nets, minimum wage and greater rights and equality for workers.”

Simply ask the PAP candidates : How would they effect change from within the party and in Parliament? Read out their prepared speeches to a largely empty Parliament where MPs are busy with other things to attend? Preach to ministers who have already decided on their own policy and attempt to persuade them to consider your line of thought? Vote unanimously for a policy that perhaps more than half of the PAP MPs feel against but have to support due to the crack of the party whip and the need to portray a unified stand to external parties?

Anonymous said...

//Under these circumstances, it was possible to push through policies that caused the economic inequality in our society to expand and our income gap grow to the largest among developed countries.//

The huge income gap is due to the policy of pegging our leaders’ pay to the top earners in the country.

Majority of Singaporeans suffered for the benefit (sky high salaries) of some elites.

Anonymous said...

A sham?

Anonymous said...

Anon, 16:48

He poked the right way but he is clueless why as to why he has no unifying solution

Anonymous said...

Vote wiselee. Vote for change, not $mall chane.

Anonymous said...

For sure there is social mobility and this has ensured at least 66% are happy and satisfied to vote PAP.

And that is more than enough for PAP to win more than 2/3 majority, even up to 98% of seats in Parliament.
Because the PAP system already enables 66% to be happy and satisfied already, so by joining PAP as candidates and saying what they said is to further reinforce this fact.

What's wrong with that? Which country and government in this world can make 100% happy?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
another lawyer again. :)

6/4/11 17:00

ppl look up to lawyers. when we are growing up, parents tell us...sons,grow up be doctors,lawyers and bangers hor.

we listen well. haha

Anonymous said...

You mean bankers? LOL

Anonymous said...

aiyah, since when sheep are suppose to be smart?live and let live.

Anonymous said...

"And that is more than enough for PAP to win more than 2/3 majority, even up to 98% of seats in Parliament."

Good. Time to scrap GRC

Anonymous said...

the game has always been in the hands of those with the most capability to....sway the people.

well, who is more capable than LKY?

if that's how you want to play it, go try your 'vincent' and see how he fairs against PAP 'swayers'

Anonymous said...

yup, right policies are important. but in our current democratic system, it becomes more about SELLING THEIR policies to people.

may the best MAN wins.

Anonymous said...

RUNNING A COFFEESHOP IS NOT POOR. COFFEESHOP OWNERS BRING IN AT LEAST A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN PURE PROFITS EVERY YEAR.

MANY OF THE OLD-TIMER COFFESHOP OWNERS ARE NOW STAYING IN BUNGALOWS AND SEMI-D.

IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HAWKER STALLHOLDER FACING RENTALS OF $5K-$10K EVERY MONTH, THEN THAT'S DIFFERENT STORY.

Anonymous said...

//Because the PAP system already enables 66% to be happy and satisfied already//

The best way to convince a fool is to let him have his way.

Alfred said...

to Anon 1935hrs;

*The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist*

"The Usual Suspects" - 1995

Lye Khuen Way said...

I share both Lucky's & Patriot's views.
The "Young Ones" believe that they have enough empathy for the non-elites and will be able to help them by serving as a PAP MP or minister.

I dare say that those PAP MPs who have demonstrated that they care for the poor in Singapore in the past 10 years are rare and far in between. Dr Lily Neo is one recent example. Any other nominations ?

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Lucky

Sad to see you go back to your motherhood statements again. You never learn, do you?

You need to vote >1/3 opposition into parliament.
You need to massively mobilize supporters and raise plenty of money. Like Obama is already doing now when his election is more than 1.5 years away.
You need to dig out all the lies and dirt on the PAP candidates.
You need to make idiots like Goh Meng Seng look like saints.

The sheep is NOT happy but they are too STUPID to help themselves and they ALL have a vote.

Sigh.
Its hopeless.

Cassandra

DareToAct said...

The way to get your voice in is to follow the PAP -- people's ACTION please!

Everyone of you please try to get 10 people you know to pledge that they will vote for opposition in the next GE. And that each of them must also get 10. No duplication please. Once a person has pledged with someone, he/she is not allowed to pledge again.

People -- ACTION -- please!

Anonymous said...

Singaporeans need to cast their fear aside and vote in a good 40 opposition candidates to the parliament. Singaporeans have nothing to loose and everything to gain with a strong opposition in parliament. It will force PAP to finally listen to the voice of Singaporeans. Policies will be formulated to benefit people of Singapore.

As long as the parliament do not see a strong opposition presence, voting in even 10 opposition candidates will amount to nothing. Indeed Singaporeans need to set a target of 40 opposition candidates. Opposition parties should support a joint call to invite Singaporeans to vote in 40 opposition candidates. I encourage you to join the facebook group “We will vote in 40 opposition candidates” and rally Singaporeans.

Anonymous said...

i was looking at stuffs in front of a pasar malam stall, all the sudden i heard someone pushing me and shouting to loudly that i thought i might be blocking the way or what. it turns out these guys, acting like some bodyguards, probably RC members, demand me to shake hand with the man behind them, my quick reflex tells me that guy probably some pap minister. i check the RC noticeboard and know this minister Mr Zainul is also some kind of Mayor of the East area. i will not give my vote to this kind of people who think they are emperor once they got the high post in the gahmen. there is a saying "respect must be earned, not ask to be given".

Anonymous said...

It's the democratic process,yippee. Many losers out there,yippee.Many have been demoralized,yippee. Hip Hip Hooray for the elites. Hip Hip Hooray for PAP. Winner takes all.Losers get zeros and work like a horse to get crumbs, yippee.
Losers use your votes and vote in ALL the oppositions into parliament and sink SIN,yippee. You already a loser, nothing to lose when SIN sink so vote in as many duds as possible into parliament,yippee.

It is the democratic process,yippee.

Long live all the parties, yippee.

Anonymous said...

Quite frankly, I would rather pay them peanuts. In time to come, they make better servants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeSQ5Rv7eH8

Otherwise, the Party will make monkeys out of the People. They will get all the GDP growth with no cost & minimal wage, no union intervention involved. That's how singaporeans can then grow their productivity & salaries by30%!

Monkey Party or Monkey People?

Ad nauseum said...

Yes! quite right!.. the powers that are will be accompanied by rough people who will rough you up and forge a path for the VIP to walk through.

These are the people who want to be voted?

Not mine.

Even if they still make it through, I know my vote did not help him/her.. unless there was some hanky panky with the elections...

I have no respect for such people who have supporters who are rude and with loutish behaviours. This inlcudes the very high ranks.. I have encountered them in the course of my work.. and I can swear that some behave very snooty and are very gilded.

Humble beginings?.. don't bet on it.

Nothing is impossible said...

To : DaretoAct. @6/4/11 21:02

Yes, that's the way. We cannot just talk or comment. Nothing is going to change.

Those members and volunteers of opposittion parties have sacrified their time and on our part, as opposition supporters, we should render our time to gather more votes for them. Don't underestimate the multiplier effect.

1) 1 voter convinced 4 voters to cross over
2 ) These 4 voters will gather another 16 voters
3 ) 16 voters can pull in 64 voters
4 ) 64 voters can call in another 256 voters
5) 256 voters can attract 1024 voters
6) 1024 voters can get another 4096 voters
7 ) 4096 voters can 16,386 voters
8) 16,386 can collect another 65,536 voters
9) 65,386 voters can claim another 262,14 voters

Ladies and Gentlemen, what will happen when we reach Level 9 ?

If we strongly believe this is possible , it is achievable.

Anonymous said...

Scenerio 1)PAP returns to power, more of the same
Scenario 2)Opposition comes into power, AND(politicians have known to twist their words and lied to get into power before and may not do what they say) if they are serious in opposing key policies like housing,minimum wage,CPF,GST,FT import etc etc, Sg will go down like the titanic.
Scenario 3) Oppositions are bullshitting into parliament and contribute nothing substantial in parliament thus allowing PAP policies unopposed, we should expect more of the same.

In conclusion,whichever way you look at it, you still die.lol

Anonymous said...

Whole system makes fools of everybody and waste taxpayer's money.

Only winners are those laughing to the bank.

Anonymous said...

Lucky,

You are trusting person. You actually believe what these people say. The only real reason why they join PAPer is the climb the corporate ladder at elevator speed. If they really want to help the poor, they should either join the opposition or volunteer to be a social worker.

RookieLim

Anonymous said...

yah,idiots vote in ppl laughing to the bank..HAHAHAHAHA

Buddha said...

If more than 50% of the population has below average intelligence, (assuming Bell's logic), then how would they know that injustice and elitism is built into the system?

The way I see it is, by the time, these people have lived a good 20-25 in the system, only then would they realise that elitism is built into 'cos they would then have experienced it.

It takes 15-20 years to condition a society. I like to point out that PAP has been engaging in the busines of ethics. They have designed values like "kiasuism" and "kiasism" into our psyches. And they use these very values that they conditioned us with and used it against.

I have a question for readers.

What do think are some of the assumptions of the PAP about Singaporeans? Can you name three?

Anonymous said...

Money
Money
Money
lol

Diamond said...

The Party that has no Hearts concentrates on Minds.

That's the reality. When PAP cannot win the people's hearts, they start selling their brainiacs. Occasionally they trump up the new candidates who are "naivete, fresh, idealistic, good-intentioned & heroic even" to please and touch the heartstrings of some common folks. But no sooner as the recruits get in they will be whipped into getting behind the established blueprint, after all "great minds think alike"?

LHL's handling of "Priced-for-Talents" has also been deft. He has clothed the use of "money" in the "renewal & succession" veil. The arguments that MPs have no lecturing circuit or ways to make income after their tenure, are more reasons to keep them on long term pension funds. One wonders what is stopping them from going on book tours or sharing their insider insights about policies with the future generations? Akin to "non-disclosure agreement" - a very expensive social contract to refrain past MPs from degrading the Party-that-wants-to-rule-forever, at the expense and learning experience from the taxpayers.

The same sophistication is used by MM Lee in decades prior. That "racial riots", "marxist conspiracies" "overpowering unions" "social tensions by religious fractions" etc eventually resulted in a largely neutered nation, with no voices or platforms to be heard. That long term effect - a death of politicians and an apathetic citizens. All these moves were obviously marketed later as the reasons for Singapore's great governance. As a result, PAP candidates are "worthy" of their salts & designer bags.

Today, with the large reserves (in hundred billions), Singapore in LHL's words has arrived. It's a superpower comparable to USA. The country is the personal trophy for the ruling politicians. What about it's people? Where are they today?

Worst Singaporean said...

Patriot,

You are right, I'm one of those conditioned to accept meritocracy as something good. All I'm looking for is checks and balances in the system.

Anonymous said...

I cheque you cheque me is it? lol

Anonymous said...

To Patriot

If I could have it my way, in a hearbeat - I'm all for an egalitarian society, for SDP.
However, pragmatically speaking, I believe we need to quickly move into a WP check-n-balance phase (& that means at least a 40-50% presence in parliament) before we can evolve into the SDP route. That's a realist speaking.

Anonymous said...

ya lor, not as if you are collecting 15k a month for voting them into power....and we haven't include all the $good will$ going the way of the lucky MP ...why so SEXITED about voting hah?

best joke is...all your voting makes NO REAL DIFFERENCE haaaaaa

Plea to Lucky Tan said...

Please offer solutions, lucky.

Solutions to our common daily problems. This is better than questioning all the problems. People such as myself are looking for solutions to high cost of hdb, etc.

Offer us suggestions, please. I have been reading your blog for solutions but I havent gotten one.

It's been 2 years. I like to read it but I dont see solutions.

It should be that reading your blog enhances my life situation. It hasnt been much help. As you don't share solutions.

In good faith and compassion,

your reader of 2 years who is phasing out.

Anonymous said...

Under the current political system and the kind of world we are living in, you can basically predict the behavior of most politicians.

In Sgp case, most mature ppl know how the business world works so, do you expect them to put their necks on the chopping board and challenge the PAP?

Check the back ground of the alternatives voices. A lot of them are in business.

Expect changes from them? You must be kidding.

Anonymous said...

"your reader of 2 years who is phasing out."

good riddance...

Protons said...

To Plea.

Answer to your high cost of HDB can be read here : -http://yawningbread.wordpress.com/

The S$2.7trillion bailout.

Only you know deep down what is the answer. You know more than you want to admit it. Follow your heads, as PAP say & calmly vote. But don't forget to bring your heart along. We call it the "gut-check".

Anonymous said...

"She was a 'good grassroots leader' and her experience helping her parents in their family-run coffee shop showed 'she knows what it is to be poor and to work hard"
- PM Lee on Tin Pei Ling..

The keywords are
"family-run coffee shop".
Wow!
Since Tin Pei Ling's parents are owner of coffee shop, her parents must have lot of money. You need lot of money to own coffee shop. It has been reported in local newspapers that coffee shop can be sold for $5 million. Even cheap coffee shop can be sold for minimum $500000.
So Tin Pei Ling is not from poor background, she is at least from upper-middle class.

Anonymous said...

Tin needs a babysitter so she can grow into an obedient child

Anonymous said...

I think that's basically their strategy for leadership renewal. A new perspective of a 'nanny state'?

Poet said...

A wise man once sat in the audience and cracked a joke.. all of them laughed like crazy..

After a moment he cracked the same joke again & a little less people laughed this time...

He cracked the same one again & no one laughed !!!

Then he smiled and said ''when you cant laugh on the same joke again & again then why do you keep crying over the same pain over & over again''
----

Alone I can say, but together we can shout.
Alone I can smile, but together we can laugh.
Alone I can enjoy, but together we can celebrate
Alone I can vote, but together we can outvote

Anonymous said...

"From being able to travel to Hong Kong every year to see him, suddenly, we had problems getting pocket money," recounted Mr Choo, 33. He added that his father had to borrow money to put food on the table."
- PAP's Desmond Choo, telling his story.

Desmond Choo's uncle is a former PAP MP and formal directors of several companies. Even if his father didn't have money for a short while, Desmond Choo still has a rich uncle. Hence, his wider family is still relatively rich enough to provide a rich support for him.
Desmond Choo must be many times better off than those real poor in the bottom 30%.

patriot said...

@ Worst Singaporean 6/4/11 22:31
@ Anon 6/4/11 22:35

I respect your position as much as my belief that this system needs to break away from its shackles such as lip-service meritocracy, perceived threats of racial tensions, prescriptive policies driven by elitism. It has to be re-designed, especially when our country has the reserves (assuming most of it is intact post financial crisis) to do something in this increasingly energy & food-scarce world.

Realistically, I will agree with Anon 6/4/11 22:35.


@ Plea to Lucky Tan 6/4/11 23:05

You may be looking at the wrong place - the Internet is not an oracle or Aladdin lamp; it is made up of machines where human minds interact. You may be more knowledgeable or even wiser from the time here but effective action still belongs to the physical world (at least for now).

And I think you know what you have to do.


patriot

Anonymous said...

As PAP's Mr Gan Thiam Poh is DBS senior vice-president, is he involved in retrenching the nearly 1000 DBS staffs during the financial crisis?

YongVulKong said...

The poor sell drugs so they can buy Nikes, and the rich sell Nikes so they can buy drugs.

The MPs sell their souls so they can buy a PAP benchseat, and the PAP sell benchseats so they can buy souls of MPs.

Anonymous said...

Don't be dishearten.

Lucky has the answer right under his nose(he showed us sometime back). Just that,he is clueless about it.lol.

Anonymous said...

After reading Lucky for 2 years and still clueless what is the solution?!

You are daft. That is why PAP continues to make your life miserable. That is the problem.

Remove the problem and you don't need to look for solutions lah.

Anonymous said...

Even teachers also have to go all the way to recruit from India, Phil.....

Then u want our our graduates, our people with masters or even older people with phds to drive taxis or selling bad insurance products is it???????

Is it fair???

Anonymous said...

I'm just wondering, are coffee shop owners poor?

Anonymous said...

I have not heard from any candidate who will say " I will not be the YES man in the party".
All talked about very high level "what I would like to achieve, to do, to try to change" but none gave contrarian views of any policies.
So, they are basically a bunch of yes sir yes sir 3 bags full....

Corks said...

The Italian - mentions everything but.
The American - doesn't mention it
The chinese - does it, no question asked
The French - says it all
The Australian - says it between beers
The German - says it exactly the way it is
The Japanese - prefers it with subtitles
The Swiss - doesn't say cheese
The Russian - says if from the heart
The Singaporean - says nothing

Anonymous said...

our PM LHL getting pawned!!! LOL

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/pm-lee-don-t-upgrading-pay-less-tax-20110405-231901-526.html

Anonymous said...

Hi,
You keep saying "influx of cheap foreign labor", what do you actually mean with this?.
Without cheap foreign labor, who will build your street?, who will build your HDB?, etc.
Singaporean are already regarded themselves as hi-class and does not want to be paid cheap and do dirty jobs.

Anonymous said...

Irony.
http://blogs.straitstimes.com/2011/4/4/we-must-give-the-pap-48-wake-them-up

PAP spokeswoman doing more to endorse WP than Lucky Tan.

Mr Lucky. Action Please.

Monkeys said...

//What about their special pension that starts paying them $179,000/year from age 55 till death? What about the huge benefits both pecuniary and in-kind our minister’s family members derive from him being in office? One just needs to check out the positions held by spouses and children of our senior civil servants and ministers.-

Quoted from Tan Kin Lian Blog//

These are the reasons and motivations for the so called upwardly mobile candidates. The 18k gold carrots are better than the baby carrots they dangled in front of us peasants. Who can't see through such a hare-brained schemes.

Anonymous said...

//PAP spokeswoman doing more to endorse WP than Lucky Tan.//

Don't be daft. They're not trying to support oppositions! Just trying to send a "moss codes" to the Man up there so that they "get whats going on in the ground"..

Anonymous said...

66%

That settles the question. In fact all questions.

Anonymous said...

Listen all Singaporean teachers,

You are going to be replaced by foreign teachers. Look at 7 April 2011 Straits Times newspaper, foreigners from India are here to teach in our mainstream schools. There will be less teaching jobs for Singaporeans.

Listen all Singaporeans,

Your children are going to be taught by foreign teachers. Are you very worried about the quality, standard, biases and prejudice of these foreign teachers?

Anonymous said...

What is there to worry about foreign teachers if 66% agree to it?

In fact these 66% also agree to foreigners for all types of jobs.

Except for minister, MP and NS jobs. These 66% won't support foreigners doing these jobs. Unless these foreigners become new citizens.

Anonymous said...

Is it in your interest to vote for PAP?

http://www.temasekreview.com/2011/04/05/is-it-in-your-interest-to-vote-for-pap-part-3/

Anonymous said...

Why stop there? IF the teachers are from IIT why not.
They are cheap and damn good, better than those from harvard, MIT & Cornell combined, or so they say.

http://www.youtube.com/user/digvijaydj#p/a/u/1/TBk4Z4q1fEg

IF you're a singaporean, and never ONCE voted to
1) fight for minimal wages for your local fellas
2) fight for labour laws to stop discrimination against filipino maids/construction workers who enjoy little rights
3) against PAP in elections

then really, you're the one contributed FOR the above policies to come into effect. You have said

1) YES is totally fine to abuse cheap labors(talents)
2) YES to all PAPs policies

Then you really can't blame yourself for facing the influx of these talents. You see, the way PAP does it is to lump "foreign workers IS foreign talents" as long as they are cheap. Just like they now lump "Singaporeans + PRs" = citizens, as long as they hold red passports with no discernment.

And they will be coming more ..indians, chinese, filipinos. (there's 1 more million to go to reach 6m!).

Singapore's success today is not attributed to LKY smarts alone. He was just so DAMN lucky that India's Nehru has decided to go on socialist platform, and Mao has gone on communist routes. Had it not been for the moves by the two greatest powers in asia, there would NOT be a chance for SGP to have gained that much traction to what we have today. Singaporean's are just tasting their delayed medicine 40years later. The question you should be asking is - what have SGP done to build (or stifle) its own creativity, entrepreneurs and businesses all these years, & protection for employees & singaporeans?

Anonymous said...

"The question you should be asking is - what have SGP done to build (or stifle) its own creativity, entrepreneurs and businesses all these years, & protection for employees & singaporeans?"

But they have done a lot to make 66% happy. Or if not 66%, at least over 60% happy.

Don't you agree this is a very important thing they did? Because this is what really matters.

Anonymous said...

//But they have done a lot to make 66% happy.//

66% votes does not imply 66% happy.

Anonymous said...

In July Temasek Review will retire for good. If Lucky Tan follows suit and then the others also cease their blog writings, what will happen?
All goes to the void decks, kopitiams(coffee shops) and public park to read the afternoon papers?

Anonymous said...

"66% votes does not imply 66% happy."

People vote for PAP even if they not happy with PAP?

That's even more wonderful for PAP, isn't it?

Anonymous said...

"In July Temasek Review will retire for good. If Lucky Tan follows suit and then the others also cease their blog writings, what will happen?"

Then I don't know what to say. Stomp feet!! Hahaha

Anonymous said...

Please don't buy this "66% are happy shit" statement.
I'll spoon-feed you one last time.


http://www.temasekreview.com/2011/03/19/pap-did-not-receive-66-strong-mandate-at-ge-2006/

http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/190032

http://www.singsupplies.com/showthread.php?40496-Stop-saying-66-voted-for-PAP-when-the-actually-figure-is-33-.

Anonymous said...

Don't you agree this is a very important thing they did? Because this is what really matters.//

What is important is that you deconstruct the figures, or any survey results the MSM has told you, and really really understand it. Statistics are very easily manipulated by gahment to make you believe in anything they want you to hear. It helps that everybody put on their thinking caps instead of merely "regurgitating" or parroting what PAP claimed.

Anonymous said...

Those who have flipped by the ST papers would probably have noticed almost an entire page was devoted to the very impressive forbidden city - in particulat, the axis.. The Chinese, the gods bless them, determined to have it inscribed as world heritage.
Those who have been there, and know its history, will appreciate the symbolism surrounding centuries of cultural heritage. After all, the area has been the nations's seat of political power, and intrigues, even today. Emperors ruled like the gods in those days. Today, china has a very different political climate but still...a very proud city, drawing lessons from her rich history.
If you are a Chinese, along the same vein, you would not be blamed for looking towards the...forbidden city for its great lessons.
While the attention is on the forbidden city and the emperors who lived and ruled there, there is another interesting site east of the forbidden city towards the south.
This one garner less attention because the emperors don't live there. Or maybe because they are not too kind to animals?

Anonymous said...

I heard that the emperors enjoy eating forbidden fruits or concubines lol

Anonymous said...

Yesterday ST.They call it the ' dragon's pulse', interesting isn't it?

Anonymous said...

If only 50% of seats are contested and PAP get 66% vote, they will still get 66% even if 100% seats are contested. At most plus or minus a few percent.

Because just like HDB flats, population mix is about the same everywhere due to Singapore being small and urbanised, unlike other countries.

That's why you either win big or lose big at elections.

Hence 66% means 66%, whether PAP got 50% or 0 % walkovers.

Anybody with common sense will realise this.

Anonymous said...

Lydia,woman, you subscribe to the meritocracy taught by the Chinese, you will have to STAY OUT of the forbidden city.
The other city you should pick your lessons from is the city of Rome. They had one time TWO emperors, and even more( if I maybe corrected), ruling the city.Well,as they say,the rest is history.

Anonymous said...

where do they hire these clowns anyway?

Anonymous said...

Old man loves duds. That's why he had two in the house.

Anonymous said...

yah,he don't like chee byes.

Anonymous said...

Sheep....we have immense respect for the old GUISE.But the future does not belong to the NORTHERN ARMY who rules with an IRON fists.

You silly deluded sheep of the old ancient book.

Anonymous said...

I like forbidden fruits..hehe..who doesn't?..hehe

Anonymous said...

I wonder why he doesn't like chee bays. LOL

Anonymous said...

He likes to crush chee byes. Maybe we should send more chee byes in.haaaaaaa

Anonymous said...

Shaven or unshaven? LOL

Anonymous said...

//People vote for PAP even if they not happy with PAP?

That's even more wonderful for PAP, isn't it?//


For your info

North Korea Kim Jong Il won 100 percent of vote with 99.9 percent turnout.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak won 88.6% of the votes.

Anonymous said...

shaven or unshaven chee byes? if you gonna pick, send in the UNSHAVEN CHEE BYES, then we shall see some REAL FARKING AROUND....wah...got show lah hahaha.

but if you send in polite chee byes like the low kind, they will be very happy and where got farking show?..sian man..no show,where got change lah..hahaha

Anonymous said...

What change?Sex change ah? LOL

Anonymous said...

"North Korea Kim Jong Il won 100 percent of vote with 99.9 percent turnout.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak won 88.6% of the votes."
Anon 8/4/11 14:34

But North Korea cause its peasants to starve.

Mubarak cause its people to mass revolt and he got ovethrown.

So that's no good.

But Singapore is peaceful and prosperous. And no one starves here.

So it is very good.

Anonymous said...

good for u :)

Anonymous said...

"Sheep....we have immense respect for the old GUISE.But the future does not belong to the NORTHERN ARMY who rules with an IRON fists.

You silly deluded sheep of the old ancient book."

Moral of the story: be happy with grass.

Anonymous said...

Therefore 66% votes does not imply 66% happy.

Anonymous said...

99 out of 100 bird brains.

Anonymous said...

Why look at figures?Do they have a REAL choice in the first place?

Anonymous said...

yah, there is a gun on your head.

Anonymous said...

deluded democrats.

Sick said...

Looks like some TR trash has come in for the spoil Lucky. Why aren't you censoring them so we can keep a civil discussion here.

Living Saint said...

Yes Lucky, trash it pls. We don't need trash.

Anonymous said...

psssss..dun read..ignore and return to your paradise.

Anonymous said...

but the hypocrite likes to read ...trash :)

Anonymous said...

their highfalutin heroes are goingb o be "pragmatist". ha.

PAP will love them. ha.

Anonymous said...

Be careful, gun is on your head LOL

Anonymous said...

Now a days, when you look at a high class whore, you can't tell whether she is a man or a woman let aone, which party she really belongs. WAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous said...

Trash....LOL

Anonymous said...

look east, said the wise man..wahahahaha..yah rite.

Anonymous said...

Low said he believes in evolution. He said the arrogant powers that be must be taught a lesson. And the gods echoed...there is indeed a time and season for everything.

Who can stop the winds of change? China?
Who can stop the Tsunami? Bill gates?

Whatever will be will be and the end is yet to be.

Anonymous said...

the old man loves the christians...how nice hehe

Anonymous said...

Yes,and the Christians love the old man. They do make great bedfellows LOL

Anonymous said...

funny meh? I think the Christians are busy building cardboard houses and meager cardboard houses to even bother about the palace. you see, they have an agreement with the old man in the sky who sprinkles dust into their courtyard.

they are so busy collecting gold dust and looking towards the air for some mysterious manifestation,I would say, it is all peaceful.

bless the old man and his house

10 000 years 10 000 years 10 000 10 000 years haaa

Anonymous said...

No wonder the house is so...dusty. LOL

Anonymous said...

China is sitting on a treasure map and they are building the forbidden city? tsk Tsk Tsk.

Anonymous said...

The people are made daft because they are forced to choose between sucking a lollipop or eating "humchinpeng"

Anonymous said...

yes,daft people deserves to be slaves

Anonymous said...

Majority (66%) are not "daft".

But you cannot have 100% not "daft". Because that only happens in Heaven!

So on earth, in particular little red dot, 33% "daft" is still very acceptable.

Anonymous said...

u dun know the lords prayer meh?

thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven.

coming down already..watch your HEAD muahahahaha

Anonymous said...

//Majority (66%) are not "daft".

But you cannot have 100% not "daft". Because that only happens in Heaven!

So on earth, in particular little red dot, 33% "daft" is still very acceptable.//

The party controls the MSM, CCs, RCs .... is likely to get the most votes from the daft people.

Anonymous said...

"The party controls the MSM, CCs, RCs .... is likely to get the most votes from the daft people."

They did not suffer and are happy and satisfied and also got time and money, that's why they even join MSM, CCs, RCs....

How can they be daft?

Anonymous said...

Daft people are easily influenced by MSM, CCs, RCs... and are likely to give their votes to the party that controls them.

Will Vote PAP this time instead of Opposition said...

I, for, one, will vote for the PAP. I think it is OK to bring in foreigners to help the economy. This is good for us. I'm sure the government will take note of everything mentioned and build resources to keep up with the inflow of immigrants. It can only do us good. Most of the companies in our country are japanese companies to begin with. We need more foreigners to support the government's initiatives for the good of Singaporeans. Also, in time, I am sure the government will increase the employers's cpf contributions for Singaporeans as they know that the prices of HDB and resale are too high and the young can't afford them. PAP may be strict sometimes but they are also effective and will always react swiftly to the ground conditions.

So I am voting PAP this time instead of opposition. I just hope there is less overcrowding. I also want to know what the government would do for all the civil servants who now do not have pensions to survive when they retire from serving the nation. I am sure our government are considering all these factors.

Anonymous said...

You vote PAP because of bring in foreigners to help the economy. The PAP can just spend more money to let you see grow in the economy. Look like you don't know what's the different between economy and basic necessities of Singaporean.



##I'm sure the government will take note of everything mentioned and build resources to keep up with the inflow of immigrants. It can only do us good. Most of the companies in our country are Japanese companies to begin with. We need more foreigners to support the government's initiatives for the good of Singaporeans. ##



You simply believe & believe with no root on it. If Japanese company is here for Singapore good than why japan in recession for more than 20 years.



##Also, in time, I am sure the government will increase the employer's cpf contributions for Singaporeans as they know that the prices of HDB and resale are too high and the young can't afford them.##



If government increase the employer's cpf contributions for Singaporeans. It with make harder for Singaporean to look for job. So you want a Government for making your life difficult.

Anonymous said...

"Most of the companies in our country are japanese companies to begin with."

Is it ???. Out of every ten companies we have here in singapore, how many are japanese companies ?????.

If you are in Japan, they may not have the same concept as you have when it comes to foreign workers in their own country unless the latter are there as tourists.

Anonymous said...

Personally, I think PAP did do a good job for the last 50 year. But that does not mean they will do a good job for the next 50 years. Currently I can't see PAP for the next 20 years.



The last 50 years PAP is trying to built a nation, but currently they are trying to build a country. Lim Swee Say said if you lost a country you will lost your home too but he don't know If we lost a nation we will lost a country too.

Anonymous said...

They have not build a people. Their pragmatism generally served the rich. Serving the people is thus a farce. Entrapping the nation in materialism is what they do best.The poor they have dressed up with their wealth. Those who can't keep up are placed with heavier burden on their shoulders. The helps render are often superficial.
Most will be worn out as life progressed under their wings. As these languish behind, they will quietly fade away under their watchful eyes. No one will shed a tear. It is all your fault. Serving the people is their national anthem.
Killing your soul is their national sin.

Anonymous said...

we have the hallelujah people to thank...hahaha..hellehoohooooyah...hahaha

Anonymous said...

LOL

Anonymous said...

sheep are daft .. hehe

Anonymous said...

Their Shepard, dafter. LOL

Anonymous said...

I have been watching John Hagee the last few Sundays and his message is about the oil and Islamic revelation. Time is growing shorter with every passing day. If we really knew how much time we have left or dont have I should say I think we would all be shocked.
Even though George Soros wants a new world order now just remember we will all be gone. All these events that are taking place now is for the tribulation not for us.
I believe we will be going home sooner than anyone might think. Like Mr. McT said keep our eyes on Jesus.
Debra

Anonymous said...

As thE sheep sLumper the REAL wolves kill

Anonymous said...

My prediction for coming election:

PAP 86 WP 1 (If Low TK remains in Hougang)

PAP 87 Opposition 0 ( If Low TK contest in GRC)

PAP will still win over 60% of all the votes. Maybe worst case slightly less but still at least above 55%.

One or 2 SMCs/GRCs PAP may only win 55+ % but overall votes for PAP will still be close to 60% or slightly more.

I give the outcome above a 90% chance.

What do you all think?

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