Sunday, August 28, 2011

Dr. Tony Tan wins the PE....

But the real surprise is how well Dr. Tan Cheng Bock did losing by a mere 0.34% of the votes. Dr Tony Tan secured 744,397 or 35.19 per cent of total valid votes, while Dr Tan Cheng Bock received 737,128 or 34.85 per cent of the valid votes.The difference is a mere 7300 votes.

This year the role of the president was the hot topic of the PE. You noticed that Low Thia Kiang had firmly and shrewdly kept the WP out of the PE...while NSP's Nicole Seah and Steve Chia were running around campaigning for Tan Jee Say along side members of the SDP. The WP is very clear about the role of parliament in policy making and do not want a pro-active president to undermine the power and authority of parliament. In fact when the PE was first proposed, JBJ who was heading the WP specifically warned about an elected president taking away some of the parliament's power.

Watch this video and you will realise the wisdom in JBJ's argument.






A elected president selected by the people will have a mandate, power and moral authority that will give our govt additional challenges if he doesn't stick to the 'limited role' as laid out in the constitution. For this reason the WP opposed having an EP. What is the use anyway? If it is to prevent a rogue govt, then the factors that led to people voting a 'rogue' govt will also lead to support for the same type of president.

The presidential election naturally becomes an extension for the segment of people who find themselves under-represented after the results of the GE. 40% voted against the PAP are represented by a small number of MPs due to the GRC system. It becomes hard to the PAP to keep the President to the limited scope unless their endorsed candidates win all future elections.

The best safeguard for our reserves is a people with the correct set of values...and Singaporeans have that. Foremost on the minds of Singaporeans is not how to raid and squarder the reserves but how to prevent catastrophic losses like what we have seen in recent years and greater transparency. Dr. Tony Tan the PAP endorsed candidate only garnered 35% of the votes and 65% of the people voted against him. You can argue that if the votes were not split and if Tan Jee Say had not run, Tan Cheng Bock would have won and if Tan Cheng Bock did not run, Tan Jee Say might have won. People generally see little purpose in having a PAP endorsed candidate check on a PAP govt. If a non-PAP endorsed candidate wins, they are looking at him to play some other role as 'uniter', 'voice of the people' and 'agent of change' - all of which can be played by MPs.

What do you make of the PE now? Things have become a lot more fluid....and somewhat unnecessarily complex. The under-representation problems caused by the GRC will now spill into presidential elections to drive demand for bigger role for the president. We would have a simpler system if we eliminate GRCs, the PE and put all the political power in parliament with the check and balance coming from opposition MPs and an independent media that keeps the people informed.

You go back to the video that is 19 years old and you see a very young Lee Hsien Loong arguing for an elected president. 19 years later, he and his govt is vigorously reminding the public that the intended role of the president is very narrow and small.....and many just don't see it that way. Why should they when the whole country goes out to vote for one man to occupy the office of president? That was what JBJ tried to warn the young Lee Hsien Loong about...and that is why the WP stayed out of the fray to keep iself focussed on winning parliamentary seats.

119 comments:

Anonymous said...

For GE 2011, PAP got 60% votes but 93% seats!

FOr PE 2011, TT (endorsed by PM Lee) got 35% votes but won the Presidency!

For the GE, blame GRC system. Or rather should also blame opposition with so many "Indian chiefs"?

For the PE, blame 4 corner fight? Or rather why 4 COEs?

Whatever the case, well done PAP. PAP not only know how to win and but also how to win correctly, by knowing their opponents and voters well.

Anonymous said...

Excellent strategy by the incumbent to guarantee a win... by any measure!

No matter how small the margin, first past the post collects the prize. Simple.

Wonderfull race, exciting, gripping entertainment! Its like the Kentucky Derby!

Pointless to analyse or to harp on what ifs.
Life goes on.. and we will search to find our favourite prata stall..
drink teh tarik.. and talk about the good old days..

Much more comforting to see a familiar face.

Amused said...

Anon@10:08,

There is only so much PAP can do in gerrymandering and electioneering to get their candidates voted in. With the trend going against them, they have less room to affect the outcome. Witness how narrow the PE win is, they risk losing big in the next (by-)election.

You can't turn back the clock and PAP understands it.

Best.

Anonymous said...

The next 2 weeks are almost holidays for highly paid principals and teachers. They enjoy one election holiday, one public holiday, one teacher holiday, less than half day work to celebrate teacher holiday and one week of September holiday.
These holidays are tip of the iceberg as they are paid highly to enjoy even more holidays than anyone can imagine.

To summarize, principals and teachers are paid highly to enjoy holidays. They enjoy
1 week of March holidays,
4 weeks of June holidays,
1 week of September holidays,
6 to 8 weeks of Nov-Dec holidays,
1 youth holiday,
1 extra national holiday,
1 teacher holiday,
1 children holiday,
2 election holidays for year 2011,
numerous less than half day work to celebrate the numerous holidays,
etc.

Wow! principals and teachers are paid highly to enjoy life.

Anonymous said...

Winners learn from their mistakes and become stronger. Losers find excuses.

LOSER.

Now singaporeans will pay for the selfishness and vanity of the so called liberals.

Teacher with holidays said...

Teachers have to set questions
Teachers have to mark test papers
Teachers have to plan lessons
Teachers have to answer to parents
Teachers have to answer to HOD
Taechers have to counsel students
Teachers have to do CCA
Teachers have to motivate
Teachers have to be examplary
Teachers have to ...

You go & do lah..

Ghost said...

Tan Kin Lian lost his deposit because he had to do everything himself. Tan Jee Say came in third yesterday with 5 times more vote than Tan Kin Lian because he had the SDP and the opposition behind him. I think this election prove that in order to do well, you need the support of a political party behind you.

r tanzy said...

to Anonymous 28/8/11 10.08

PAP bent the rules to allow a 4 corner fight to split the anti-PAP vote. Technically, Mr Tan Jee Say do not qualify to contest due to the $100 million capital clause.


In my view, this is a deliberate coward act of dishonesty and cheating on the part of the PAP to give their endorsed candidate (TT) an unfair advantage to win the PE.


It is akin to PAP creating the GRC to make it difficult for opposition candidates to win electoral seat.


The PAP will do anything to ensure that they continue to hold power and control government as they did in the last 30 years.


They are very clever in changing goal post whenever needed, and introducing convoluted and twisted rules to work in their favour.


We can never trust the PAP to treat its citizens fairly as evidenced by infamous policies such as the discriminatory and controversial “Graduate Mother Scheme”; ridiculously high ministerial salary and huge income gap; getting rid of political opponents by jailing and imposing heavy fines; exploitation of NS men; granting of PR to low wage workers under the guise of "Foreign Talents"; etc,


In essence, come GE 2016, Singaporeans who are unfairly discriminated should rally to get rid of this manipulative and elitist government.

Anonymous said...

Tkl wonders why he got trashed and trampled by the erm....voices of the people.


Moral of the story? A king should not venture out of his castle especially if he can only afford or hire innovative tailors who tend to come up with invisible line of clothing.

Does not help even if you hear the "voices of the people" when your selective hearing tend to incline towards people with extraordinary powers to see the invisible .

Anonymous said...

When ppl are desperate, they will even grab a piece of floating straw in the high sea just to stay afloat.

When they cannot find what they want in parliament, they will try to find some in the presidency, rules or no rules.

And rules can always be changed if enough support is there - and not the way round when support are constrained by man-made rules. You just have to work hard for it.

Anonymous said...

Anon 12:12

Why dun you become a teacher then??? Its definitely not an exclusive club. :-)

The teaching profession is definitely short of teachers.

wintergreen said...

Dear Lucky

It must have been a big relief to PM Lee and the PAP to see that Dr Tan manage to cross the finishing line by just a mere 0.34% winning margin.

It should have been a 3 corner fight because Mr Tan Jee Say actually does not qualify for the COE.

If the government did not manipulated the rules (in granting the COE), Dr Tan Cheng Bock or even Mr Tan Kin Lian would have been our next elected President.

Had Mr Tan Jee Say rightfully not been granted the COE, the 25% opposition votes would probably have gone to Mr Tan Kin Lian.

Another vital point to note (based on strong feedbacks) is that many of Mr Tan Kin Lian’s supporters decided to switch their votes to Dr Tan Cheng Bock (to give him a better chance to defeat Tony Tan) when it became apparent that Mr Tan Kin Lian did not have the opposition votes.

The point I am trying to make is that had Mr Tan See Jay rightfully not issued with the COE, Mr Tan Kin Lian could have probably garnered about 40% votes (5% of his original votes + 25% of Tan Jee Say’s votes + perhaps another 10% of Dr Tan Cheng Bock’s switched votes).

Well, this is politics, and the mood and votes can sway wildly like a bushfire.

Talking about dignified campaign, the PAP is the biggest culprit, for bending the rules by deliberately granting 4 COEs. Shame on the government!

Anonymous said...

PAP must be very happy now, laughing all the way to the bank. draft - that is a very good term to describe singaporeans. this is an extremely sad world.

Anonymous said...

Well, lets see how far will the rulers push the envelope, despite this poor showing for TT.

Will they listen more?

Will they compell employers to pay higher CPF contribution?

So far, they have said this & that:

a) we will tighten immigration
(with effect from 2014, to allow employers to adjust)

b) we will release more land and build more flats ( this will take another 2-3 years )

c) we will create more places in the universities for our own citizens. ( unknown effective date)

d) we will factor in the inputs of all civic groups ( unknown action )

e) we will try to help the less able and help the special needs
( unknown action )

These are some of the "this & that"

But they do warn us of "challenges", "uncertainties"..
I am sure they can do better than just to warn.
They are able to ensure TT's victory.. no matter how small.

With such technical prowess, they can tackle the "challenges" so that it becomes a certainty rather than uncertainty.

Recession comming?

You mean the previous one ended already?.. this is ANOTHER one?

Fear mongering wont work with me anymore... I have already lost my job in 2008 and have not seen full time employment since.

Go scare the FT and PRs instead..

Anonymous said...

Hard core opposition supporters will pick TJS or TKL but between the 2, JS has proven to be the favored one. But that hardcore group accounted for only 30% of the total vote cast. The other 70% comprises of PAP supporters and "thinking voters" - give and take a couple of %.

The PAP hardcore supporters accounted for about 35% which went to TT. The other thinking group chose TCB because he best represents a leader who dares to stand up against PAP( shown his mettle when he was debating in parliament) though he worked closely with the establishment.

If it was between TT and TCB, the opposition voters would have gone to TCB and that would make him the clear winner. Put it another way, if TT had not run, TCB would have won with a resounding victory - 65%.

TCB should have been the right choice or the best man for the job - that is if you think EP makes sense.

And please, the Hi 5 is a national joke.

Anonymous said...

"TT had not run, TCB would have won with a resounding victory - 65%."

correction, 70%. If TT competes with TJS and TKL, he would still win but the margin smaller as compared to TCB.

TCB is the people's unofficial choice(or should have been the EP) - if you scrutinize the votes.

Anonymous said...

Well written piece of analysis

Anonymous said...

After GE 2011. PM Lee "retired" the two Senior Mentors.
I believe that gave a lot of worries to the older generation/conservative voters. They are doubtful if PM Lee with his younger cabinet will be playing populist to the younger and more demanding electorate.

So LKY asked TT to stand. He represents the old school - thus the platform Trusted, Tested & True. What other ways than an EP to put him there as an additional confidence booster. It paid off.

Look at it another way, what it means is that 35% of the electorate didn't have the confidence with PM Lee's mandate and leadership, so needed a Tony Tan to solidify it. The subtlety is a no-vote-of-confidence in the present govt and rightly/wrongly , Tony Tan fills the gap (instead of TCB).

Don't expect TT to be another OTC. Cos he won't be.
He's a very bit an LKY but a milder/foxy one no less.
And forget about real reform from LHL now with someone like TT getting in his way.

Anonymous said...

WP manifesto says they're against GRC, and against EP. Didn't prevent them from contesting in GRC (and winning). So why silence on EP, which JBJ & CST clearly acknowledge is an important power, as does almost everyone in Singapore? Silence, in this case, shows they lack the sophistication to state their views on an obviously important national issue.

Anonymous said...

There is nothing you can do now since 35% have signed the blank cheque on behalf of all Singaporeans!

Anonymous said...

Without TJS, TCB would have won. Pls go and see the Yawning Bread Survey. Most TJS votes will go to TCB, not TKL.

PAP has always been more afraid of TCB (the PAP detractor) than TJS. PAP played the game well. TJS and his supporters were being used. Websites like TRE also manipulated some of the weak-minded voters to believe TJS is the greatest threat. PAP was never afraid of TJS - he was no where close to the top 2. He was given the COE to dilute TCB's votes. Singaporeans have been outwitted. We have to vote tactically in the next GE and not fall into the same trap again.

Anonymous said...

Out of every 3 voters, two did not vote for Tony Tan.

Tony Tan is not a people's President. As a matter of dismal fact, he was elected on a RECOUNT, mind you.

That's about as much endorsement the people of Singapore has given him.

Tony won't change.

One of the reasons that PM LEE wants Tony in is because he can't run the show on his own. He needs a mentor.

And in Tony, he has found a mentor to replace the last one. ;-)

Nothing will change until the people of Singapore stops being selfish.

Singaporeans have not been tested yet. Just this election alone, how many PRCs families voted as new citizens.

In another 5 years, after the older singaporeans enter the grave, will change sweep this nation of PAP's propaganda and constant evasiness of asking the hard questions.

But here's a point to note. Singaporeans still voted 70% for 2 ex-PAP candidates. What does that say about the 60% who voted for the PAP? Apparently, out of the 40% who voted opposition, some voted TT.

The best way to look at it is to know how many void votes were there. And how many people did turn up to elect? Does anyone know?

Anonymous said...

Anon 28/8/11 12:12,

http://sgforums.com/forums/2297/topics/399658

http://forums.vr-zone.com/newsroom/676248-news-singapore-teachers-overworked.html

Come and join MOE. More than 60% of its teachers have less than 8 years of teaching experience.

40% of the MOE teachers in this country has less than 4 years teaching experience.

Attrition rate is rife in teaching. NIE recruits 2 times a year, not because teachers are retiring. It's because many do not continue their 3 year bond. Without the bond, many would resign. Others break the bond.

The income is low. Many teachers try to give one or two students for tuition to earn some cash to tie along their family.

If teachers' income are already low, what more the rest of Singapore.

Many Ps are abusing the system and not allowing work-life balance for singapore teachers.

Why is this the case?

The EPMS system.

Principals want results as results = $$ $$$$.

The better the schoolr results, the higher the Principal's Performance bonus.

So Ps grilled teachers to meet their selfish and materialistic goals of more money. A principal earns about 9 to 10 k per month. And she expects to get 20k to 22k of cash for her PB when results come in.

Why do you think schools are broadcasting banners on their schools for value-addedness??

They want to attract better students to get better results which will bring more $$$$$$$ for the P.

The rest of the teachers are exploited and overworked.

MOE's policies has lost touched with the ground.

Holidays, you say? You really have no clue of the problems affecting the fraternity. Only recently, MOE was going to cut teachers salaries up to 30%.

Ex-teacher

Anonymous said...

"But here's a point to note. Singaporeans still voted 70% for 2 ex-PAP candidates. What does that say about the 60% who voted for the PAP? Apparently, out of the 40% who voted opposition, some voted TT."
Anon 28/8/11 20:04

I would think following is more likely.

TJS and TKL combined has about 30% which is from the 40% who voted opposition in GE 2011.

So the rest of the 40% (10%) voted TCB. Together with the 24% from the 60% who voted PAP last election, TCB got 34%.

Hence TT's 35% come solely from the remaining 60% who voted PAP in last election, and not from the 40% non PAP vote in last election.

In other words there is a 35% of die hard PAP supporters from the 60% PAP vote of last election.

So no matter what, come GE 2016, PAP is assured of at least 35% solid votes, judging from the results of this PE.

Anonymous said...

TT and TCB were both PAP men.

TT garnered 35% and TCB 34%.

Conclusion: It is clear that within the PAP, there is disunity and divide.

PAP is crumbling.

Anonymous said...

TT, the 35% President but president nonetheless.

Anonymous said...

37,826 were rejected.

1.8% were null votes.

We do not know how many didn't come to vote on that day. Over 2.1 million Singaporeans voted.

Anonymous said...

35% and President. But President to who? To only the 35%.

Come National Day, when he waves at the crowd. 65% won't be waving back.

There is no honour in winning at such a low percentage. In fact, he should not take up the presidency as the people didn't endorse him at all.

Anonymous said...

Ong Teng Cheong - majority votes elected President.

SR Nathan - Walkover President.

Tony Tan - minority votes elected President.

What next?

Back to appointed President???

Anonymous said...

To all TLK supporters and Mr TKL himself, please solicit feedback from comments in yahoo article "TKL: I will continue to be voice of the people". Sincerely hope that you will not try your luck to run for any election again (yes, not GE too as you'll drag down the party). Your less than 5% votes speaks very clearly of your personal appeal. It's not because of TJS that you lose your deposit (and definitely you will not be president even if it's just a fight between you and TT), please reflect on yourself. Your amount of votes is very embarrassing and your stunt of conceding defeat shows the weakness of your character (it serves no purpose!). Your fickle-mindedness of wanting to withdraw and stayed on also made some who wanted to vote for you initially to vote others as we do not want someone unstable like you!

As much as I pity you for losing your face and deposit, I am pissed off with you for way overestimating yourself and making TT a winner.

Anonymous said...

It is a pity that netizens failed to feel the ground sentiments for the popularity of TCB and instead rally for TJS. At 1st impression, it seems to be a viable option but as days goes by, the average voter feels TJS tends to over-promises and does not seem to understand the boundaries of the constitution. But by then it is very difficult to reverse the rapport that was built online to support the stronger candidate.

One of the reasons that 65% did not vote for Dr Tony Tan could be that when all the other 3 candidates promised to provide annual statements or reports on the use of our reserves, Dr Tony Tan chose to remain silent on this. It is my view that unless this issue is addressed, it is very difficult for the new president to command respect over the 65%.

Anonymous said...

For TKL from yahoo comments, in case he missed it:

TKL.....

You claim wanting to be the Voice of the People.....but the results proved that you are actually listening to your own voice ! The Sunday Times carried an article two weeks ago saying you see yourself as a legend in your own mind......hmm.....

Somehow in today's papers, you still wish to solicit feedback why you did so badly...
oh well....in my 2 cents worth, here are the reasons:

(1)
Your Hi-5 is simply comical ! It falls FLAT on almost everyone except your supporters.
(2)
Your command of the 'Engrish' language is simply bad ! Most Singaporeans felt you cannot hold your own, what's more on the international stage !!!
(3)
Not to sound too personal: it's your negative persona.....the constant blinking of your eyes.....people around you are simply too polite to tell you, but Singaporeans wants a president who measure up to a respectable standard of stature. I am not suggesting that Tony Tan is perfect, but he doesn't blinks his eyes.....Tony does not speak as fluently just like Nathan. But at least Singaporeans can accept that they will carry themselves well on the international stage........
(4)
You make too many empty promises that you know are very populist in nature. I am very proud of my fellow Singaporeans that they can see the REAL issues at hand without falling for the bait of money, like your NS allowance etc. I can say with conviction even if you take a straw poll of all NS men, the majority will concur they serve with pride and it's never about the money they receive in the first place. So don't insult the typical patriotic NS men !
(5)
Your proposal for the presidential personal council....waste time ! Why create another layer of bureaucracy ??? You represent the entire city state but how many council fellas would you have ? Can they take represent effectively the views of the people at large, as compared with the elected MPs ? And your proposal that the most important issues will be decided by a vote among the council members.....Get REAL please..........!!!!!!!!!!!!
(6)
Last but not least, I cannot help but mention that there's still a wide perception among Singaporeans that you are running because you have a personal agenda against the establishment.....and you have an ego problem. In the words of General Colin Powell.....'never put your ego so close to your position that when your position falls, you ego goes with it'. Whatever your daugther may tell the press, we know it hurts you when you see this sort of results.....and your $48,000 in smoke ! In the final analysis, it's a reality check you need to accept....pure and simple....

Be civic conscious if you may going forth. You will still be respected. But the office of the president is one you just ain't cut for it !

Anonymous said...

We could all leave the TV off on inauguration day, go take a walk and enjoy time with our loved ones, friends and family.

I for one will not watch it.
He does not deserve it at all.

Anonymous said...

Anyone with half a brain will be able to see that TJS will NEVER come close to winning. WHY? His PE strategy is an exact cut-and-paste SDP strategy. It's about taking the moral high ground and fighting for gay causes and ISA detention. SDP (under CSJ) has used the SAME campaign strategy for the past donkey elections. HAS IT WORKED? NO. Even in a 2-way fight like Holland Bukit Timah, SDP can only garnar 30% vote. We are talking about a 4-way fight in this PE. The TSJ campaign strategy was the laziest I have ever seen - cut and paste from SDP that will SURELY lose. He didn't even try to change a little. The entire Internet community has been misguided and let their hate for the country cloud their judgement. It was quite clear that TJS was the spoiler.

Anonymous said...

After this PE, I lost all initial respect for TKL due to the following reasons:

- He shows his pettiness by badmouthing another candidate closed to election day, suggesting that candidate stole his supporters.

- By doing the above, he also shows his stupidity. He knew his chances was low and was spiteful to want to affect another's chances.

- He conceded defeat so early just because of his own emotions. Did he think for his 100,000 supporters and how they would have felt to support such a weak loser?

Initially, I respected him for stepping out to help those victimised Minibond investors, but looking back, he was just an opportunist to use them to garner votes (he expressed his intention then to run for PE).

TKL, don't ever run for any election again. You will again lose your deposits for sure. You will get less than 100,000 votes next time as many has seen your true colours after this round.

Anonymous said...

Noticed govt only thanked TCB, why? Because he diverted the anti establishment votes. No other person I can think of in the establishment camp has someone who can claimed he had tread the middle ground as long as him and got the past record to show. His entrant provide voters who want an independent PE a choice who otherwise will have voted for alternatives. TJS and TKL is not the spoilers. If TCB did not run, the formers will share most of his votes and emerge victory. But then, PEC will probably refuse their the COEs esp TJS.

Anonymous said...

If we go by two elimination rounds, TT and TCB would have emerged the final two contending candidates. It would have been clear who the final winner is.

Anonymous said...

"You can argue that if the votes were not split and if Tan Jee Say had not run, Tan Cheng Bock would have won and if Tan Cheng Bock did not run, Tan Jee Say might have won."

I agree with the first part of your statement but I believe that if Tan Cheng Bock didn't run, TT would have won handsomely.

Anonymous said...

I think Singaporeans are the most ungrateful bunch of people after reading the comments here. Mr tan Kin Lian is a good man with a heart for the people. There is no need to debase him in such a manner. I sincerely hope he will serve the people of Singapore in the future.

Anonymous said...

"There is no need to debase him in such a manner. I sincerely hope he will serve the people of Singapore in the future."

TKL can serve the people quietly like other volunteers, but please don't try his luck in the GE or PE. Many volunteers are good people with a great heart for others too. Some are great enough to sacrifice themselves for the sake of others.

contrarian said...

Let's be very clear: the opposition cannot check the government in the Singapore system of government.
The check can only occur if there is some way that a bill passed by Parliament can be blocked.

This is a unicameral parliament. The opposition can say what they want, they will be outvoted as long as the government can put together a majority in Parliament with 1 more vote. Almost any law can be passed (except a few) by a bare majority. There is no upper house. The President must assent.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous 28/8/11 23:22

I agree about Singaporeans being very ungrateful. The moment they hear news of TT winning, they start blaming it on TJS and TKL "spoiling the market" by giving TT higher chances in winning. But let's look at it this way. If there are only 2 candidates, TCB and TT, left, does it necessarily even mean that the pro-opposition voters would necessarily throw their weight behind TCB? I find it VERY doubtful because pro-opposition voters are savvy enough to know that TCB was himself involved in Operations Spectrum and Coldstore as one of the men who gave the 'yes'. Voting in conscience means then that we cannot endorse TCB as much as TT too, and so, that accounts for the switch to TJS and TKL.

As for the smears and verbal attacks on TKL and TJS, please get your facts right before you do those attacks. TKL spoke up for the 10,000 Singaporeans who were cheated by Lehmann Brothers when NO ONE DARED TO. His flaw in the PE was simply the fact that he had not had a profile in politics over the last 3 years after 2008, and also, he suffers from a crippling verbal handicap in terms of his rhetoric which does not demonstrate media-savvy-ness unlike the others. And please, TJS was there not to contest for ego, but because he wanted to give the people of Singapore choices in a country where democracy is stifled for decades. So would Singaporeans rather want a walkover PE or a case of a PE with only 2 former-PAP MPs? It totally baffles me how ungrateful Singaporeans can get, and start doing the finger-pointing at anyone but themselves for not choosing to challenge the system.

Amused said...

Hmm... 40% of the people is represented by 6 out of 87 MPs, or 7%, in the parliament. The newly elected president would very likely have garnered a mere 35% vote in a 2-way contest between him and the next contender.

Clear eyed said...

TKL and TJS may not have won the PE but to me they are heroes who have courageously and unselfishly stepped up to give Singaporeans a choice and a voice. Here's my heartfelt thanks and appreciation as a grateful Singaporean. And may God bless you and your families.

Anonymous said...

Just to give you an idea of what an incompetent president singaporeans have just elected:

1. Singapore's GIC Suffers $41.6 Billion Loss (under TT's tenure)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125418236117447877.html
2. GIC's Tan to Run for President of Singapore
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304657804576402753080583610.html

TT was crucially important to PAP as GIC and Temasek must remain as secretive as ever so that they don't have to answer to people of singapore.

Anonymous said...

Since the PE is over and Tony Tan is the elected President, I see Dark clouds over Singapore for the next 6 years or till the next GE.

Be prepared for the worst.

Well Said said...

"Teachers have to set questions
Teachers have to mark test papers
Teachers have to plan lessons
Teachers have to answer to parents
Teachers have to answer to HOD
Taechers have to counsel students
Teachers have to do CCA
Teachers have to motivate
Teachers have to be examplary
Teachers have to ...

You go & do lah.."


I thank all the teachers who were election agents for counting the votes so late into the morning.
Thank you for a fair election and for a chance for Singaporeans to have their say.

Anonymous said...

The only good thing about this elections is that TKL had an ego trip and hopefully we do not see or heard from him ever again. He is an opportunist who schemes, deceives and had a cut and paste compaign right from the minibonds exploit. If he is that noble, he would have run for GE. I still think very strongly he was going in for the bigger pie. Now, the pie is in his face.

Anonymous said...

"So don't insult the typical patriotic NS men !"

Yeah, right! You mean all the NS men are patriotic and willing? Please conduct that straw poll. It was the NSF who demanded that NS be reduced from 2 and half years to 2 years, mind you!

Please ask any NSF man whether they WILLINGLY WANT TO be CONSCRIPTED AGAINST THEIR WILL.

You think it a joy for them? Seriously dude, you out of touch just like TKL and LKY.

Anonymous said...

Someone wants you to view the world in a certain way, so they educate you to do so.

Before PM LEE took over PMship 5 years ago, LKY talked about bad times coming Singapore way and who would you trust to steer the ship.
Dark clouds are approaching.

Before National Day this year, the PM and the Straits Times talked about recession hitting Singapore (this was from 2 months ago when the same PM Lee boasted about Singapore attaining 14% GDP growth). Talks of dark clouds were mentioned again.

The same information and story was repeated again and this time for the Presidency election.

And guess what?

Tony won.

There are good reasons why LKY had to term Singaoporeans as "daft". Because they keep voting the same people again and again; only to complain about the very same people who causing them the hardships in their policies.

So, LKY was right after all. Singaporeans are daft. Particularly the older ones.

Anonymous said...

One thing is for sure - Singapore has rejected the SDP cookie cutter type campaign. And its good news that Singaporeans did not vote blindly for a President just because he is loud and angry. If TCB didn't contest, you can be sure TT will win by a wide margin. PAP vs SDP? PAP will win. SDP has not won any seats since CSJ took over. If SDP-supporters still don't re-evaluate their camgaign strategy, then they will NEVER win any seats. Wake up Singaporeans, for crying out loud that TCB shouldn't contest and TJS will win. Based on some reliable source, the ONLY way TJS can win is a TSJ vs TKL fight becaust TSJ is only better than TKL.

We have to learn to vote tactically the next round, just like more mature countries like the States, where 95% of the votes are channeled to the first 2 contenders. Nobody is pointing fingers, because TSJ/SDP supporters are very defensive. In the next GE, it is very easy for selfish opposition parties for personal glory creates 3-4 corners fights everywhere. Yes, they give u choice. But it splits the votes and give PAP an easy win. That is when we have to come together, unite, put aside your favourite party's agenda (e.g. SDP)and vote for the one that has the greater chance of beating the ruling party.

Clear eyed said...

Agree with Anon 10.53. The same old tired "dark clouds in the horizon" threat is the only trick up the PAP's sleeves. It is a Party bankrupt of morals and ideas. And Singaporeans continue to willingly allow this bunch of morally and mentally bankrupt clowns to lead them by the nose to the slaughter house. I don't know what to say ...

Anonymous said...

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/06/09SINGAPORE588.html

Go read this from wikileaks instead.
And you'll see why people (the 35%) are so stupid daft people who has voted in another of LEe's family members back in tot he throne. Instead of open transparency, it is filled witht heir own secrets again. I can only conclude that the 35% are half daft/blind sheeps and the other half have a stake to keeps things as they are...the colluded bunch.

Anonymous said...

I respect the result of the PE. And I think as a matter of fact, TT is the most qualified of all in terms of his wealth of experience.
But I felt the stage has been planned for a TT victory before the campaign officially started. TJS being awarded certificate of eligibility is subject to dispute. The paid-up capital of his company is less than the required $100mio. But in backing up their decision to award TJS certificate of eligibility, the election dept has claimed that his organization is of equivalent complexity to companies with paid-up capital $100mio. There is some room for subjectivity here. But in letting TJS in, the one and only beneficiary is clearly TT. TJS will only dilute votes from TCB and TKL, for people who vote for TJS are hardcore opposition supporters and would never have voted for TT. So to say, statistically, the odds are very much in favor of TT by letting TJS in. Imagine without TJS, and just 10% of his 525k votes go to TCB, TCB would have a decisive lead over TT without any need for recount! Thus the best strategy of ensuring TT victory is to let TJS in to disperse the votes.

rookielim said...

I hope the oppositions learn from this experience i.e., fight to win instead wasting resources in 3-4 corners fights.

The said...

/// TJS being awarded certificate of eligibility is subject to dispute. The paid-up capital of his company is less than the required $100mio. But in backing up their decision to award TJS certificate of eligibility, the election dept has claimed that his organization is of equivalent complexity to companies with paid-up capital $100mio. There is some room for subjectivity here. But in letting TJS in, the one and only beneficiary is clearly TT. ///

The same can be said for TKL's eligibility. Strictly, NTUC Income is not a company registered in Singapore. It is a cooperative. I think TKL applied under the same sub clause of "equivalent complexity.".

So, I find it hypocritical of TKL to say that his low point was when TJS was awarded the COE, implying that TJS should not have been qualified. Looks like the pot and kettle arguing about their common colour.

Anonymous said...

WP MPs have no access to cabinet papers, whereas the President does. That in itself gives the President a lot more influence and power than the measly few WP MPs in the sham parliament.

Anonymous said...

regardless of TKL or TJS eligibility, clearly the ultimate winner is TT. TT just reaped the benefits by sitting there and watching his opponents fight each other to dilute their own votes.

Anonymous said...

on hindsight, TKL should not have contested, the outcome could have been in TCB's favour by a narrow margin.

if TJS had not contested, TCB would have won easily.

if TT had not contested, TCB would have won. But it would cause the famiLee to shit some bricks, especially their GIC and Temasek secrets.

if TCB and TKL had not contested, it could have been a close fight between TT and TJS. But oldfart and son would have engineered a record number of spoilt votes, easily beyond 6 figures.

Anonymous said...

Yeah. "Dark clouds" "uncertainties"
"challeges" are always used to scare the pants off people.. damn good too, can be used again & again with no expiry date.

It will be used again I bet!

If and when we have a military confrontation, I suggest we round up all the 35% PAP die hards and allow them to take up the front lines.. they should be keen to do so.

"Cabinet papers are not available to opposition MPs".. yes.
Too bad we did not get TJS into the palace.. otherwise he could be selling the info for another 2 or 3 million bucks... chance for kelong gone.

Now the secrets of GIC will never be known.. they have 6 years to bury, destroy and amend the constitution, company laws.. etc.
and the best part is we will never realise it till its done.

Lets wait for the smartphone generation to be the change.. if ever!.. i will be dead and gone by then.

Anonymous said...

TKL should have stayed out. Some of that 4.9% would go to TCB. TJS should stay on as there must be an avenue for those who hates PAP to vote.
Anyway, wouldn't be interested to watch the swearing in.

Anonymous said...

/PAP has always been more afraid of TCB (the PAP detractor) than TJS. PAP played the game well. TJS and his supporters were being used. Websites like TRE also manipulated some of the weak-minded voters to believe TJS is the greatest threat. PAP was never afraid of TJS - he was no where close to the top 2. He was given the COE to dilute TCB's votes./

TCB is as good as TT. Either one, it will still be status quo. TCB is a good decoy (made to look neutral) to divert oppo voters who may not like the more 'confrontational' stand of TJS.

However, the voting pattern shows the PAP core to be only 35% with 25% (60% from last GE less 35%) having appetite for oppo who can project moderate or middle ground stance, enough worries for the incumbent in the next GE.

Anonymous said...

TJS screwed up the whole election. I think he's a typical opportunist banking on anti-PAP sentiment to serve personal ego and his own political agenda. If not for him to siphon votes away from TCB, TCB would have a beautiful victory! If this is a scheme to allow TJS to siphon the votes so TT can win, it can only work when there're selfish people like TJS..

spitfires711 said...

Anonymous 28/8/11 21:38

Looks like you have a lot of axe to grind against TKL due to some personal grudges.

However, I can testify that TKL has helped many ordinary people including myself. He is a simple, humble and good-natured man.

By the way, in my view TKL lost the election NOT because of his campaign strategy or personality.
I opined that PAP played foul by granting TJS the certificate of eligibility to create a 4 corner fight.

TJS should not be given the certificate of eligibility to contest because he did not meet the $100 million paid-up capital criteria.

Besides, TJS did not hold the office of a CEO of the organisation in which he applied for his candidacy eligibility.

By giving TJS the certificate of eligibility, I believe the intention was to split the anti PAP votes so as to ensure that Dr Tony Tan will have a significantly higher chance of winning the presidential election.

Had it been a 3 corner fight, TJS would probably throw his support for TKL and the 25% TJS opposition votes would probably go to TKL. TJS was initially part of the think tank team of TKL.

Another point to note was that many TKL’s supporters abandoned TKL and decided to switch votes to TCB in the last 2 days of campaigning when it became apparent that TKL is not getting the opposition support. The reason for deciding on the switch was to give TCB all the required additional support (at the expense of TKL) to defeat Tony Tan.

Alas, to the relief of the PAP government, Tony managed to scrape through the finishing line with a mere 034% votes win. Not a great performance for Tony (despite all the media coverage, support, endorsement, etc,), don’t you think so?

So you see, had the Committee rightfully NOT given TJS the certificate, TKL would probably end up with 5% original + 25% from TJS + say another 10% of the “switched” (to TCB) votes. That will give TKL 40% votes and he could have been your next President.

There is nothing wrong with TKL’s command of “Engrish” language. Did you watch his Presidential Broadcast in 4 languages? I rate the substance and his speech the BEST!

Current NS Allowance is really pathetic. Our NS men are short-changed. We need someone like TKL to speak for them.

If serving the nation with pride is not about money as you mentioned, then your criticism will be better directed at our dear Ministers to cut their humongous obscene salary and to serve the nation with pride (just like the NS men).

About the Presidential Council, it is a brilliant idea to get direct feedback from the population. Even Dr Tony Tan who will be our next President now wants to copy this idea from TKL by saying that he wants to get closer to the ground and hearing the views and concern of the people.

If you think it is a waste of time, perhaps I suggest that it is better for you to write to Dr Tony Tan instead and let him know.

I think TKL does not mind losing the $48,000 (not in smoke, please) if it is for a good cause and if the contest was fought fairly (which was not).

Hi FI

Anonymous said...

/TJS should not be given the certificate of eligibility to contest because he did not meet the $100 million paid-up capital criteria./

What is so big deal abt the $100/- million paid-up capital. It just shows injection of capital in the form of shares.

Financing can be raised through other structured or unstructured loans (leverage). Net worth should be the criteria.

It is not wrong to issue TJS the COE as with the benefit of hindsight it shows that he attracted almost 25% of the votes.

A lot of people deliberately (not blind) voted TJS not necessarily that he would win (which would be a bonus) but because it was to send a strong a message to the incumbent on how disappointed they were with the latter.

Like what some said, they would rather vote in a orang utan just to rattle the cage. More tactical just to achieve an end rather than pure reason to vote in the best.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Lucky

Some of your liberal best mates are already blaming WP! Nice!

Seriously, you need to decide what is more important:
1. Attract attention and support for the gays(many of them very well off) and other assorted liberal values ... OR

2. The rights of the conservative, straight SG population too weak to fend for themselves.

What will it be?

IF the likes of you continue to sit on your butt trying to please everyone, then I can assure you that PAP has already won GE2016.

Anonymous said...

/Seriously, you need to decide what is more important:
1. Attract attention and support for the gays(many of them very well off) and other assorted liberal values ... OR

2. The rights of the conservative, straight SG population too weak to fend for themselves.

What will it be?/

Perhaps the conservative straight SG population should learn a little bit of other other assorted liberal values and adopt some so that they will not be too weak to fend for themselves and have to fit the mould of what constitutes 'conservative' and be boxed / constrained by the limited sphere that they must conservatively move around.

Anonymous said...

Firstly, the gays are not well-off. They appear to be so as they're not married and can never married.

Gays should be kept hidden from our society; they belong in the closet.

We will never endorse a president who allow perverts in the country.

Disgusting perverts. They will be shot and hang in other countries.

Gays are sexually immature entities.

Build To Wait not Order said...

Why HDB went wrong?

Why your wages are low?

Why you can't get into the MRTs and LRTs in the morning?

Why young couples can't get a hdb flat?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFFv7hT1Pzc

Why we have a Bad System in Singapore? said...

Where did Mah Bow Tan go after GE 2011?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBbBmRh9Ibs&feature=related

Systemic Reform said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eMGU0byQNg&feature=related

Anonymous said...

/Anonymous said...30/8/11 12:34
We will never endorse a president who allow perverts in the country.

Disgusting perverts. They will be shot and hang in other countries./

You are more perverted than the others you condemn. And do you know why gays are not shot and hang in this country.

Because the people who run this country know that people like you who hold such thinking are even more dangerous and perverted. I think any right minded candidate will feel shameful of your endorsement if he knows you hold such vindictive hatred.

/Gays are sexually immature entities./

Don't speak too far. Wait till you have some close friend or family member who is gay, then perhaps you will change your mind.

Anonymous said...

Some TJS die-hard supporters refused to see that they have been used. In a straight fight between TT and TJS, TT would have won. The writer refused to see the average Singaporean is not concerned about fighting for gay rights or even ISA. I mean does anyone seriously believe that abolishment of ISA will significantly improve people's lives or promoting gay orgies will improve out lives? More people cared about their livelihoods and the economy; and TJS economic "vision" to close down manufacuting, intergrated resorts, government linked companies will spillover effect all over the country worries them more. When people become jobless, more social ills will appear.

TJS and the SDP-inspired campaign strategy is only popular with the die-hard opposition. I suspect some of them actually do not share TJS/SDP values about human rights (be it gay rights or ISA) at the expense of the economy. They will vote for ANY opposition, even if he is a donkey.

TJS lost a lot of points in this GE. He has managed to peeved off the most important "thinking swing voters" by being opportunistic and throwing his hat into the ring when there are already 3 contenders. I would imagine more opportunists like himself will enter the next GE with 4 corner fights everywhere. How would one feel if TJS wants to compete a 4 horse race in Aljunied? Will we be so forgiving?

Anonymous said...

/TJS and the SDP-inspired campaign strategy is only popular with the die-hard opposition. I suspect some of them actually do not share TJS/SDP values about human rights (be it gay rights or ISA) at the expense of the economy. They will vote for ANY opposition, even if he is a donkey./

You are right boy.

Just an analogy. You do not need a team of strong young commandoes to guard your warehouse. You just need a 60 to 70-yr old guard to blow the whistle or press the alarm bell & some fierce dogs when something is wrong. Cheap and yet effective.

You must know your ultimate objective and not be swayed by the many irrelevant points which have been blown out loudly to distract your attention.

The president in any way cannot withdraw the reserves but can only prevent it from withdrawn in certain cases. Do you know who can withdraw or propose to withdraw it ? Yes, the government. Likewise for key appointments.

/I would imagine more opportunists like himself will enter the next GE with 4 corner fights everywhere. How would one feel if TJS wants to compete a 4 horse race in Aljunied? Will we be so forgiving?/

And why not & who cares. As long as he or any potential candidates qualify & play by the rules taking into consideration the possibility of losing deposit if they do not get enough votes. Ultimately, it's the people who decide.

The Pariah said...

To me, WP's silence pre-PE shows respect for the Presidency to be non-partisan.

It was also astute timing by WP MP Chen Show Mao to make that "disinvited" posting when he grew sufficiently "wistful" towards the end of Seventh Month festivities and nearing PE.

Presidency tenure is 6 years.
GE cycle is up to 5 years.

Cycle timing can come in very useful as part of the public institutional check-and-balance.

Whilst Parliament, Civil Society and Mass Media are first lines of defence, I reckon the Presidency adds yet another line of defence.

The Pariah said...

If President-elect Tony Tan chooses to rise to the challenge and honour Singaporeans' votes, he can be more than former President Ong Teng Cheong.

After all, why would Dr Tony Tan risk it by standing for PE when the ground is no longer sweet for PAP?

I don't think he took that risk for the party. Not at his age.


So let's wait and see.

Anonymous said...

TAking things at face value and assuming that TJS is not planted by pap .....it really does take courage to stand up to tyranny.
So sheeples please be kind & gracious. Whatever his real agenda is in standing up & speaking out for people who lost their savings to Americas export of financial weapons of mass destruction...he still did a lot of people a lot of good. So what if TKL uses that as a launch pad for this EP.
ARCHAIR CRITICS can gripe & blame and analyse but pls do so with balance.

Anonymous said...

Armchair....

Anonymous said...

Ha ha the fear mongering worked ! Not just on the old folks but the younger ones alike. Dark clouds coming ! Dark clouds coming !
Singaporeans are so easy to scare. Ha ha ha.....
We the Elites will always lord over you minions. Taxed & GST you and your children. Both parents work so double tax, meanwhile your children are surrogated to the state education system to churn out more dutiful tax paying subserviant pap loving or fearing citizens.
Ours go to private boarding school , get most of the plum roles in gov , get most of the prestigious scholarships & why not, you minoins are paying for it.
Ha ha , occassionally got one char kway teow sellers son gets it or malay taxi driver son gets it.... It front page news .... & everyone buys the story , takes tge bait...hook line and sinker....Singapore is truly meritocratic....work hard or die trying ...its the singapore dream ....
We will fix you & your children & your parents properly .

Anonymous said...

Isnt it naive and stoopid to think one can force an opinion .. vote XXX .. down the throats of the rest as if they are mentally deficient? Are the TREs different from that obnoxious MIW lecturing his audience as the know-it-all? Was it plain childishness or plain stupidity that a stranger endorse another he/she hardly know?.. who else want a brilliant mind?, many would have fallen off their chairs or vomit at the sight of such naivety! Tony and Cheng Bock were the only 2 real contenders right from the start; one with immense experience and the other, mass appeal; both have long track record of public service, are HUMBLE. And to that silly noise about people wanting brand name and track record, let me ask, do you prefer reliable vendors or what?

Anonymous said...

I think TKL does not mind losing the $48,000 (not in smoke, please) if it is for a good cause and if the contest was fought fairly (which was not).

Hi FI

30/8/11 07:44


Hey dude above..,..agree with you.

People Abusing Party said...

Q. Which is the only country in the world that requires a public housing flat to be returned to the public housing authority, at a price to be determined by the authority, when couples divorce?

A. Singapore – Divorce within five years, without children.

Q. Which is the only country in the world that requires divorcing couples to cancel their existing public housing loan, and re-finance with a new one?

A. Singapore – Why can’t the existing housing loan be continued? Many divorcing couples have difficulty in re-financing.

Q. Which is the only country in the world that does not disclose public housing statistics like mortgages in arrears, foreclosures, etc?

A. Singapore – Only occasionally, but rarely, when questions are asked in Parliament, but only HDB loan statistics, but not HDB bank loan statistics.

Q. How many of the above HDB policies will be reviewed by the new National Development Minister?

Anonymous said...

"""TAking things at face value and assuming that TJS is not planted by pap .....it really does take courage to stand up to tyranny."""

It is counter-intuitive. Why would anyone plant a mole who is setting off many daring-to-do examples which are critical to & a slap to the face of oneself who along is trying to prevent it.

Don't you think in times to come it is going to create a lot of see-monkey-do-monkey. This is not going to be easy to manage.

Anonymous said...

My analysis is 35% + 34% speaks a lot of grassroots elite and ground level support for obvious PAP and less connected PAP candidates.
Singaporeans know every well it's their self or families come first before the nation. Only 25% for TJS is far from creating any threat for the government endorsed candidate. We could try out 'what ifs' and put some comments on the candidates and blame COEs issued. However, the government is fast running out of tricks and may soon find themselves at a dead corner with no more tricks and excuses. Our nation has already failed in prosperity and it's only a matter of time all of these will be slowly uncovered.

Anonymous said...

Monkey see & monkey do even better. More candidates , whether genuine or planted will dilute the votes..
By the way the process gives people an outlet, very much like rooting for your Man U or Liverpool. after the act , you are spent , then back to the daily grind of work & children & bills for all the world best & world most expensive overpriced cars , homes , utilities & telco , cable TVbills
In many other fake Democracies it is the same...in the end it is two sides of the same coin. Reagan with Bush senior as VP then Bush Snr as president then Clinton then Bush junior then obama ...overall more than 20 years of the same dynastic family & incestuous bloodline ruling Elite but everyone only see what they want you to see..Democrats Vs Republican. Different puppets ...same puppet master.

Anonymous said...

"Reagan with Bush senior as VP then Bush Snr as president then Clinton then Bush junior then obama ...overall more than 20 years of the same dynastic family & incestuous bloodline ruling Elite but everyone only see what they want you to see..Democrats Vs Republican. Different puppets ...same puppet master."

At least everyone will be on the toe and the fortune gets rotated and gets spread across a wider cross section of society. High cost campaigning gets a lot of part-timers employed and the tea parties & conferences help the economy go round for interested parties from both sides and obscure independents.

At least, they have limited terms and the media and the protest and the judiciary which counter-check one another.

And mostly, they have been rich before going into politics or they did not go into politics to become rich.

Anonymous said...

Like Jurastic Park, they created a TRex and expect it to be under control. PAP by creating an elected President is like asking the Trex to eat vege only. The Elected President even with 35%(750,000 voterS) success rate will be better than any MP who got only 20,000 voters. Utimately, in years to come the President Power will overtake that of the PM.

Anonymous said...

http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?100334-Warning-The-Rise-and-Success-of-The-PAP-Internet-Bridgade

People should read this articles and discern enough to know the PAP bridgade spreading untruths and trying to discredit the opposition members.

MOST of the Opposition voters are very united. So if you're on TJS/TKL side, fret not. Ignore those noises from the other side of camps spreading discord.

Secondly, those PAP TCB team who are trying to blame it on TJS or paint him as confrontational/bad guy aka another CSJ would have fallen into their traps..just another MIW's smear campaign.

So let's all unite and remember who are the common enemy.

Anonymous said...

So do you see now Mr Lucky?

The "liberals" you admire are even more dogmatic and out of touch than PAP.

Because people like you, who could have made difference, choose to do nothing that is why PAP have already won GE2016.

And your wealth will not protect you.

Cassandra

Anonymous said...

/Secondly, those PAP TCB team who are trying to blame it on TJS or paint him as confrontational/bad guy aka another CSJ would have fallen into their traps..just another MIW's smear campaign./

Singapore is now like a kid having first tasted the goodness of ice cream and may be mistaken that the person giving out the ice cream is the good guy.

Once this kid grows up and become more mature politically, we will be like any other mature democracy where kicking out a party or switching side in quick time & with united understanding will become very common e.g taiwan, uk & usa.

Once we reach this stage, trolling & propaganda will have little effect as people will have learned to see sharply (w/o doubting themselves) where their interest is clearly aligned with.

I was shocked that my foreign friend said this would happen within 5 years (as my own guess is between 10 to 15 years). Maybe he was right as he came from a much more democratic country and perhaps was able to size up the conditions better than me.

Anonymous said...

PAP is not entirely wrong to assume this as a 70% victory for themselves.

Both TT and TCB votes do come from the 60% PAP supporters, just that with TCB help more if not most of the neutral camp of voters had turn to him rather than the Opp side.

And the remaining 30% of Opp voters are split between TJS and TKL.

So the result does tell that 70% of Singaporeans are more pro-PAP than pro-Opp or anti-PAP. :(

Anonymous said...

I think it is amusing people stll believe the 35% who voted for TT and 35% for TCB are the "dafts" Singaporeans. Many of them are the educated, successful Singaporeans. If they are that "daft", how did they get to where they get to? These are the ones who can think independently, without being affected by highly biased new media like TRE. As you can see, the overseas voters rejected TJS even more. (And they DO have internet access)

And just in case TJS supporter insist that people who do not vote TJS are "daft" and do not read the Internet. HELLO? Do you think Singaporeans are so poor who cannot afford Internet access? Those who do NOT vote for TJS read beyond the Internet and check out his background amongst their network of friends. They do more homework that just read TRE. They truly love the country.

Not everyone will give TJS a free pass merely because he is on an opposition ticket. Opposition also have to earn their keeps. And think out of the box. Sometimes, an ex-employee who has left the company is the best candidate to audit and find out flaws of the company.

And what is the MAIN role of the President? To protect the reserves, not to spend the reserves. Anyone who goes around saying $60 billion is a small change does not appear to be someone qualified for the role. As many company CEOs will tell u, anyone who apply for the wrong job, expecting to expand his job scope to something different, is usually does not hired. You must know your job scope before applying for the role.

Anonymous said...

"""And just in case TJS supporter insist that people who do not vote TJS are "daft" and do not read the Internet. HELLO? Do you think Singaporeans are so poor who cannot afford Internet access?"""

Not all but many. I have heard of some older people who did not know who to vote but would vote just because some close friend / relatives told them to.

Only those 55 and below probably are internet familiar. Anyone 55 - 60 and above probably may not be so internet familiar. It is also on the sites they visit (their navigational preference).

It is also not about affordability, a lot of people could afford internet access. For some poor families, there is assistance to get it free. It is the will to put your hand to it and get it going by visiting the right sites.

A lot of people can afford to buy books or could easily go to the library but how many read regularly & seriously on finance, economics, philosophy, science or politics.

Anonymous said...

"""Many of them are the educated, successful Singaporeans. If they are that "daft", how did they get to where they get to? These are the ones who can think independently, without being affected by highly biased new media like TRE."""

Of course, there are such people. But are we referring to them.

Didn't TCB say to the effect that some (could be many) of his supporters did not dare to come out to openly support him. I believe many of them are educated and successful.

Was such fear unfounded or real. Surely you know the likely group of his supporters. Did they know something that most of us did not know. This is Singapore my friend, we have lived long enough to see & know what is going on here.

""And what is the MAIN role of the President? To protect the reserves, not to spend the reserves. Anyone who goes around saying $60 billion is a small change does not appear to be someone qualified for the role""

How could the president be spending the reserves. At most, he could only VETO of it being spent after taking some advice from his council of advisers.

Do you sincerely think that a president can just take out & cut a cheque and encash it just like that.

Anonymous said...

The quality of the candidates matters a lot to the average swing voter. People do not simply vote for the alternative simply for the sake of doing so.

Anonymous said...

"People do not simply vote for the alternative simply for the sake of doing so."

Not all. Some will wait forever for the right & ripe durain to fall right in front of them from the sky.

Well, how did the word opposition core come about.

If the other side is too powerful, you support anyone who is willing to do the hard work as counter balance.

Not necessarily that the opposition is smarter or so much better than the incumbent in the beginning but to do the counter balance work and learn at the same to be as good as the incumbent so that competency to run the country is spread to more people and not being monopolized by one group who will forever use it as an excuse why they should always be governing because of track record.

It is tactical just like in games theory.

However, once the counter balance is almost achieved. Then you start to be very picky about quality. You improve your own position step by step.

Anonymous said...

"Once this kid grows up and become more mature politically, we will be like any other mature democracy where kicking out a party or switching side in quick time & with united understanding will become very common e.g taiwan, uk & usa."

Exactly. Japan just got a new PM today. And this PM won't see the light of 4 years of PMship. Why is that?

The japanese puts out as many ineffective Mas Selamats, high HDB flats, no minimum wage, no universal healthcare, crazy COEs, etc. as soon as the first sign of trouble appears. And guess what, the Japanese don't have National Service to protect the assets of its rich nor protect any foreign workers in its country.

It has sound fundamentals. We have a greedy and CORRUPT (uses the law to define its own greed) PAP regime. It's not a government. It's a regime.


Singaporeans should learn from other mature democracies to throw out a complacent government who has made the cost of living and the freedom to be oneself a living hell in this country.

Singaporeans have been in the toilet for way tooooooo long and they have gotten used to the smell of their own shit in that same toilet.

THe PAP government comes in every now and then to neuter the perceptions of its people who know that many are not liking the smell of this shit. Singaporeans are comparing themselves to the very countries that goh chok tong had aspired and been comparing with.

All those words were fucking lies. They were selling hope and opium to Singaporeans.

Don't waste your time in this country. THere is nothing good in having a pink ic here.

PAP has not been trying to show us what are the goodness of being a singaporean or having a pink ic.

Foreigners can buy public housing and push out your children from owning a flat in the future. But singaporeans just sit there and take in all in. There are many singaporeans out there STILL waiting for LKY to kick the bucket before they open their mouths to solve the many problems that the PAP government . I don't think many can wait for that day.

The problem with singapore is that it is too fucking small.

How many factories can you build on an island? Every motherfucking guy or gal made to compete for all the basic necessities here like a dog or a cow. Try getting a hdb flat, and you know what I mean.

THe pap mispolicies has caused a lot of problems for many young singaporean couples who are cursing and swearing at the fucking papies. One of the reason for this resentment and hatred is because in the 90s, goh chok tong kept telling us singaporeans that we would be a switzerland by 2010. What a lie!

Singapore is now 20 years behind japan, 25 years behind US and 30 years behind europe. Europe now has a big problem but it's a good problem.

We, here, on the other hand are still debating about minimum wage and the government is behaving like another suharto regime.

2 casinos is a clear sign for all singaporeans that the old national day song:" THere was a time when people say that singapore won't make it." is now...."And it didn't"

People are angry that goh chok tong kept lying in the 90s that we have to believe in the PAP LONG-term policies!

He kept droning this down to our throats and now our young can't even afford a fucking hdb flat.

Anonymous said...

Yes! 70% voted for an ex-pap president.

But in the pap camp, it's 50% defragmented, as seen from TCB and TT contest. And there' another 30% opposition who are against the selfish PAP policies.

People were saying why the mrt and buses which still fucking overcrowded. The quality of services are bad. People are offended and they are tolerating. So how much more suppression and repression of power are the PAP going to do? It would only work detrimentally against them in the next 4 years.

It is precisely their policies is what the poeple hate. Thei policies are hurting the economy, the young and singapore as a whole. They have already bought houses in europe, australia, new zealand and japan. So the pap ministers and their cronies can retire anytime.

Can you? You have to work in the system that they created which marginalises all opportunities. Young singaporeans should look for job overseas and not in singapore as these government can't create any opportunities for you. You have to accept a marginalised system.

Anonymous said...

They ask TT whether he would donate his 4 million dollar salary a year and he replied that the government was currently looking at reviewing the ministerial pay.

The overcrowding in the mrt and in particular the buses is still not resolved. Bukit Panjang LRT is still overcroded and is still breaking down. Services and quality has dropped drastically over these past 5 years. Now, the government took less than 30 days to decide to increase the mrt and bus fares. Less than a month.

BUT, they have been reviewing their OWN SALARIES since May and they are still reviewing!

To RAISE mrt and bus fares for singaproeans, they are quick and fast to pass the policy.

BUt to REDUCE their sinful salaries, they take more than 4 months!

WHY?! THey were waiting for TT to win the presidential election FIRST! Then decide after that!

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