Sunday, October 16, 2011

Occupy Raffles Place?.....Where got?

"Although the movement isn’t exactly catching fire in Malaysia, Saturday’s gathering at least was bigger than a similar meeting called for Saturday in Singapore that mainly was made up of journalists and photographers wondering where all the protesters....." - WSJ[Link]

We cannot interpret the no show by Singaporeans at Raffles Place as a lack of problems in Singapore. We have the highest income inequality among developed nations - higher than many of the countries where there were protests. There is serious structural unemployment and deep unhappiness with the large foreign influx.  We know from the Lehman Minibonds saga - an event that affected people in Hong Kong and Singapore - people here are subdued in their response and most will not get involved if it is not something that affects them directly. When we had political detainees, we don't see people protesting their decade long detention because people were afraid of becoming detainees themselves.


The police issued a very clear statement that any gathering at Raffles Place is unlawful [Police warn against unlawful Occupy Raffles Place protest]. The police warns the public not to be "misguided". There is a real danger for those involved in such protests that they will be labelled as anarchists by the mainstream media and humiliated as instigators who disrupted public order when they have legitimate concerns about the current system like those of citizens else where in the world.

Nothing happened at Raffles Place today. A sad reflection of the repressive political climate, draconian laws, and a citizenry that has capitulated to the belief that they cannot change, shouldn't  try to change, shouldn't be bothered to change what is not right about our society today.

69 comments:

Anonymous said...

Why don't you get your friends and relative and start on today?

Lucky Tan said...

anon 20:37,

Like all other Singaporeans they do not want to be arrested by the police.

Anonymous said...

Yes, that's the reasons.

Rules and laws are set for certain reasons for the whole. We will need to change it before breaking the laws. That's is part of democracy process.

Lucky Tan said...

anon 20:37,

You need a "democratic process" in the first place. Also, many people see the right to protest part of the democratic process.

Anonymous said...

Mr Lucky

3 years ago I already told you that the only change your beloved Obama would bring is sheer incompetence. Seems like my prediction is more accurate than yours.

Dun worry, there is at least one more year for him (and your holy Cow) to make things so bad that even singaporeans will take to the streets.

Anonymous said...

There has always been a democratic process in Singapore. It is just that you think it is not up to your standard. Be patient and try to make the process faster at your own accord, but remember not to break any laws and claim that there is not democratic process

Lucky Tan said...

anon 21:22,

You said,
"I already told you that the only change your beloved Obama would bring is sheer incompetence."

I think he is a lot better than the predecessor who left him all the problems. Anyway, America's problems are huge and solutions come with tradeoff and risks.

That the US economy did not sink further given pundits were predicting the next depression, should not be view too negatively.
Remember there is more than 2 decades of excesses to flush out.

Anonymous said...

The only thing Obama can be faulted for is he tried to do things in an accommodating manner. It is the Republicans who refuse to cooperate and went on a confrontational approach with only partisan interests in mind and no regards to the well being of the economy of the country. Sounds familiar to a certain party in white right? :)

Anonymous said...

I don't blame Singaporeans who dare not come out to occupy Raffles Place.

It will be a futile efforts as Singaporeans will not support them. Instead, they will be laughed at!

Just look at Dr Chee who has tried many times to wake up Singaporeans...He got stigmatised.

Anonymous said...

Hahaha, you mean protests (or to lead a protest) can work in Singapore, even doing legally at Hong Lim Park? Or make you popular and win elections?

Look at Tan Kin Lian. He is famous for leading the Hong Lim protests (with big crowds then) in 2008 for investors who lost money in structured products sold by banks. But he lost his election deposit in PE 2011 !!

Please lah, try to spend your time to make more money, if you haven't got enough.

But if you have enough or more, and got time, then blog lah, like Tan Kin Lian or Lucky Tan.

Amused said...

"Nothing happened at Raffles Place today. A sad reflection of the repressive political climate, draconian laws, and a citizenry that has capitulated to the belief that they cannot change, shouldn't to try change, shouldn't be bothered to change what is not right about our society today."

Raffles Place above could have been replaced with Pyongyang City Hall. How can you promote original thinkers and creative minds when you suppress free expressions to such extreme? No one, not even the students, is brave enough to “Act Different.” The Occupy movement is catching on all around the globe and Singapore has no protest!? This is a country in Decline.

friend said...

We have only ourselves to blame, not the government. We are so afraid of getting detained / going to jail. Tens of thousands of african americans were willing to be jailed, beaten up, shot at and killed. But here in singapore: "ohh I'm scared of being detained!! What if my boss fires me for not being at work?!"

Anonymous said...

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20111015-305204.html

When you have 15k people who would rather show up at chunkfest , why bother with cloakfest up against the policefest? I am just surprised that there are not a lot of tissue papers all over the square "choping". At least it will have showed they are there in spirits. But alas, they also didn't send their maids there. What to do?
I think the maids would also boycott it becos they are so badly treated in singapore's labor laws...just look over at HKG. The occupyhkg went into 2nd day, and the maids show up and occupy with their furniture! LOL

Dream on Singapore. You will NEVER, I repeat, NEVER be a first-world country. In fact, you are the bloody joke around the world now.

Anonymous said...

Too short notice lah. Many don't know it until ST warning.

I think temasek office is in orchard atrium!?
Go to crowded place than easier to rally.

Anonymous said...

anon 16/10/11 23:06

A joke? Maybe it's because most Singaporeans couldn't really give a flying damn about the whole OWS movement.

Anonymous said...

"16/10/11 21:35 There has always been a democratic process in Singapore. It is just that you think it is not up to your standard."

How to tell whether it is up to the standard. At 60% of the general election or 35% of the presidential election or allowing the show of hands (people present) in protests or simply because people are allowed / given the opportunity to vote.

Anonymous said...

Maybe it's because most Singaporeans couldn't really give a flying damn about the whole OWS movement.//

Really? Only way to find out if you are right is to abolish the undemocratic law for "unlawful" public gathering.
Then we talk whether they give a damn or not.

Amazing how some people just keep living in denial or excuses that they are"unique", "safe" "happy" so no need to copy for copy sake.

Anonymous said...

Occupy Asia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y295heiIUr4

Occupy HK & Taipei
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb_Zzg-M1ZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z_Ly4Tfslw

Occupy Jakarta & Malaysia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tr63nHF9Gc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18-zFjIYnVA

Occupy Sydney & Melbourne & Auckland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMqITwC-xUc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZX8ALRI30o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1_4tyBfN68

Occupy Vancouver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT6BXF3pQS0

Occupy Zurich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ppeWVwO8tE

And many more. All are peaceful rally and movements. And what did our MSM decides to show? Violence in NY & Rome arrests...Classic!

That's why singaporeans will never survive in the real world. They follow stupid laws that don't make sense, and they don't challenge. Let's see how long your money can speak for your soul and conscience.

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:38,

All a bunch of copypasta. Some of us don't run with the herd, and are more interested in living in the real world that kept on spinning. Talk about the irony of "unified individualism and template responses".

Anonymous said...

"A sad reflection of the repressive political climate, draconian laws, and a citizenry that has capitulated to the belief that they cannot change, shouldn't to try change, shouldn't be bothered to change what is not right about our society today."

That is some serious post-hoc rationalisation there. If 99.99% of Singaporeans really don't feel compelled to protest for change, perhaps your personal viewpoint is wrong. But then again, it's always easier to accuse than to reflect.

Let me suggest an alternative. Perhaps people think that the premises of the ORP protest is stupid to begin with. Come up with a cause that people can believe in. You have some possibilities listed. Once you define them well, you might find that protests are not really useful to achieving them in the first place.

There is a reason why some countries keep replacing dictators through popular overthrow over and over. It's because they don't really know what it is they need to do to solve the problems they face. They only mature enough to generate a lot of noise - like children throwing tantrums.

Lucky Tan said...

anon above,

You said:
" If 99.99% of Singaporeans really don't feel compelled to protest for change, perhaps your personal viewpoint is wrong.."

That is precisely when my viewpoint is right. To condition people to this point through fear and propaganda and harsh laws saya a lot about what PAP rule did to Singaporeans at large. Surely, our big income gap evokes a sense that change is needed here in some people...where are they?...

Anonymous said...

Singaporeans have no balls. Period. They deserve what they have today and future.

Anonymous said...

Dear Comrade Lucky Tan may like to show us that he will actuate an open event at Speaker Corner. It needs not be for 'protest' but just for the gathering of liked-minded people to get to know Lucky Tan personally and also to fraternize.

When everyone gets to meet the others in the flesh, it will be more sincere and convincing that not all are just instigators in Blogosphere.

Lucky Tan said...

anon 07:57,

You notice I've never in any of my blog postings urge anyone to join a protest, start any kind of political event or ask anyone to join the opposition or run for electoions and so on.

I'm a strong believer of not asking someone else to do something I wouldn't do myself - I will never ask someone to risk jail or humiliation in the govt controlled press because asking others to sacrifice themselves first is disingenuos.

Read my posting again. I did not ask anyone to go to Raffles Place. I wouldn't encourage them because they can get arrested.

Anonymous said...

You never see any protest in North Korea, do you? It doesn't mean that people are contented and there is no problem!

Anonymous said...

I believe change is taking place in Singapore, albeit incremental. It won't be a sudden change. Prolly within these 2 election times, we would see some significant improvement in terms of how the people are taken cared of in terms of their housing, CPF, health care and cost of living issues.

Otherwise, Singapore will crumble under the weight of new citizens who would be left wondering why the native-national service-going Singaporeans' concerns and welfare are not looked after. They would then hazard a guess that they and their future generations would experience the same; even though they may come from oppresive regimes such China, Burma, Phillipines, etc.

It takes time. More Singaporeans are aware. So, political bullying is no longer helpful and healthy as people can track changes in Singapore better over time with the internet, travelling overseas, working overseas, overseas attachment, facebook, etc.

Young Singaporeans know life can be so much better in other developed democracies and they are leaving Singapore.

Maybe, what could be the downfall of the incumbent party is that they have believed for far too long that such mind control has worked so well in the past. But that was the past.

Singapore's progress and prosperity requires a little change and adjustment on the mindset of its leaders.

I don't think many Singaporeans are really against the government. They just want the government to change its mindset. We are all humans and soon Lee Kuan Yew too will die someday.

This is life. Always look for opportunities elsewhere if you can't find the opportunities to grow in Singapore. Talent and development needs the right climate for growth.

So focus not on Singapore only, look at the world and decide what you want to make of your life.

We have the good foundations built for us in Singapore once upon a time and that is now changing.

Perhaps, Singaporeans should look at other countries that would grant them the liberties and quality of life that they seek after.

It may not be about money. It could more freedom and a healthier environment for their children to learn in school, a healthier pace of life, fresh air, etc.. There are many larger nations in the world that have those sort of things...those who can't wait for goodness to arrive in Singapore, should look outside Singapore like Sim Wong Woo.

Anonymous said...

Lucky, most Singaporean cannot relate to the theme of the protest "Corporate Greed" Change it to "Say no the Ministers' Greed and Higest Salaries in the world" and you might have a bigger reponse

Anonymous said...

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

Albert Einstein

Alan Wong said...

Occupy Wall Street Movement arise because of corporate greed where Corporate CEOs insist that they be rewarded obscenely for their talent which is disproportinate to their efforts. And if their rewards are not more than adequate, they may be inefficient or tend to be corrupt.

Sounds familiar ? Is that why they need to issue a prior warning ?

Anonymous said...

Lucky, your last para says it all.Remove all the draconian laws ,then for sure people will dare to protest against all the injustice.Its unimaginable in a 'DEMOCRACY' that even 2 or 3 people walking peacefully 'to protest' can be arrested ! Why are THEY be afraid of the protests?Why don't THEY just come out with explanations about their stand on the protest issue instead of arresting people all the time.If their explanation is reasonable, people will accept them

Anonymous said...

There is a lack of honest debate in Singapore. My holland friend who was on attachment here found it suffocating. When you're not allowed to speak your mind and there is implicit pressure to not do so, the country will be in hot soup. And we're seeing this already in Singapore.

Something is not right in Singapore for too long.

Winking Doll said...

> Surely, our big income gap evokes a sense that change is needed here in some people...where are they?...

Those who can and is willing to do something about it have left. I am one such example. In the process of my exit, I have met other Singapore citizens who are on the same journey.

> I'm a strong believer of not asking someone else to do something I wouldn't do myself - I will never ask someone to risk jail or humiliation in the govt controlled press because asking others to sacrifice themselves first is disingenuos.

I agree. Too many people are those who want others to fight/sacrifice for them but toe-the-line themselves and are quick to sell-out those whom "they had encouraged to make a stand" when authority figures arrive. Just look at JBJ and CSJ.

Anonymous said...

To anon above.

Not only your dutch friend, among many foreigners/PR who now live here, mind you is a large chunk of 1.6m , you have to wonder how and why they can put up with such a draconian laws where freedom of expressions are not allowed here when they are most accustomed to be able to do so back home? And yet, they put up with it in silence? You can only surmised that it's because they are see it as a temporary inconvenience, prepared to "put up with it" for a short time..a small price to pay for benefits of working here and reaping the economic goodness. But after that, they will always have an option to return home. Many among my foreign friends have already come and go after years/decades here.

As a long time reader of Lucky's blog, he's never instigate anyone to start protest for protest sake. He and many other bloggers have merely pointed out some facts that are happening around our region/world; not the bias one-sided coercion propagated by our press our govt that wants you to believe otherwise. Once people can connect the dots, is up to them to make their informed decisions. And that's the power of internet.

Anonymous said...

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/talktojazeera/2011/10/201110158301721756.html

Watch this clip by Michael Sandel.

"We don't know how these revolutions will play out, one country to the next, but what we do know is that this is a historical moment... I think it should be an inspiration to those of us in established democracies to try to embody more fully the ideals of dignity and justice and above all, citizenship... Michael Sandel

Anonymous said...

//Some of us don't run with the herd, and are more interested in living in the real world that kept on spinning. //

LOL...er think you just gave that away.
The real world that "kept on spinning" = "the good times that kept on rolling"?

The real world is full of ups and downs. Protests and Peace. Jobs and unemployment. Joy and Sorrows. Death & sickness. When you live in a "created bubble" or a "frog that has been in the boiling water but adjusted to the increasing temperature" so well, is not the real world.

"Never forget that everything Hitler did was legal"
-- Martin Luther King

Anonymous said...

why no movement? because they are busy in church worshipping a cock haaaa

Anonymous said...

because 1/3 of the hardcore oppositions are hypocrite :)

Anonymous said...

If unreasonable protest happened in another country and they burned Singapore flag and our PM photo, how Singaporean will react now?

鲁迅 was very upset when he was inside a cinema, in the movie a Chinese who spy for Russia being executed by Japanese. And he realised that all the Chinese did not show any emotion!

Anonymous said...

Never trust leaders who don't put their necks on the line. Wow..who can be trusted in this country? loL

Anonymous said...

"Occupy Raffles Place?.....Where got?"

Not Raffles Place lah. Did you see the big crowds occupying some MRT stations at peak hours after all Circle line stations opened? Some more you must pay to be in the crowd, you know.

Anonymous said...

Mr Lucky

//
You notice I've never in any of my blog postings urge anyone to join a protest, start any kind of political event or ask anyone to join the opposition or run for electoions and so on.
//

Exactly! And you wonder why things do not improve?
So the whole point of your blog is
1. Rub salt into wounds of non-elites and
2. Allow anti-PAP folks to vent in a way that does not threaten PAP.

Nice.

Anonymous said...

a fraction of the hardcore oppo iwild hv been good enough for a good show but obviously, all their righteous indignation is full of hot air.

fukking spineless opportunists consistent with the singporean breed ha

shame shame shame children of this soil ha

Anonymous said...

//Those who can and is willing to do something about it have left. I am one such example. In the process of my exit, I have met other Singapore citizens who are on the same journey.//

Like I said before. PAP stays, the People leaves.
Uniquely in Singapore.
Progress & Prosperity in exchange for Happiness
For our Country.
You Die. You Quit. You Leave. You Lose. Your Problems.
And you tell me 60% said that's ok?
Maybe that 60% think they are on the route to become that 1% . Until they realized when they get to the 60% percentile, they get pushed down to 40% again by the 15% new wealthier millionaires/billionaires. LOL

Good luck to those who can retire some where greener and more democratic.

Anonymous said...

they prick erect but not hard. got no bone cannot penetrate what 4?

Anonymous said...

the reason is singaporeans in general do not want to get their parents or children into trouble so they choose a silent way - emigration.

Winking Doll said...

To Anon at 17/10/11 22:44: Read the reply from Anon at 18/10/11 01:28.

"And you tell me 60% said that's ok?"

That's what the election results said, 60% support PAP in a GE and 34+% supported PAP's anointed candidate in the PE. If you choose to stay, your anger/frustration is better channelled into getting more Singapore citizens to wake up and see the PAP policies for their real impact -- instead of continuing to be blinded by the American/Singaporean Dream -- before the shit hits the fan. What they decide to do after they wake up is their choice.

Anonymous said...

Lots of Singaporeans are doing complaining and giving ideas on how to better our live and our society.

HOWEVER, all are doing it individually.

It seems Singaporeans are INCAPABLE of working with each others to make a concerted effort to make change and to seek happiness.

How many blogger/netizen relate to each other despite most writing about the same issues??? Are they not mostly stranger to one another? If birds of the same feather cannot relate, how to expect Singaporeans of different Races and Cultures to fight for common interest? How to want Singaporeans to join and support any campaign together?

Me thinks we are having the same dream but sleeping on different beds.

patriot

Anonymous said...

@ patriot

Same to you...

Anonymous said...

"Me thinks we are having the same dream but sleeping on different beds."

patriot 18/10/11 09:37

Not really lah. Even if all given the same bed, 60% think things are very good. As they are the majority, they won.

Anonymous said...

"Me thinks we are having the same dream but sleeping on different beds."

patriot 18/10/11 09:37

Not really lah. Even if all given the same bed, 60% think things are very good. As they are the majority, they won.

Anonymous said...

Patriot, are you gay?

Anonymous said...

Singaporeans talk a lot in the internet but when come together...lky,tkl or ltk does all the talking haaa

Anonymous said...

Patriot wishes just to say he is a grandfather and a senior citizen.

As for the blogging community, me did meet up with a handful of them. Me made calls for activists to get to know each others at some blogsites, however, me was cautioned by other commenters of consequences.
Me am please me to say that there are handful of bloggers doing groundworks regularly, but, they had little support.

In Blogosphere, there are many 'instigators'; on and at the grounds, there are few activists. So, in a way, many are willing and eager to wish for a better society. On the ground, hope there will be more willing to walk the talks.

patriot

Anonymous said...

@Patriot

The Founding Fathers were the lucky tans(with balls) of their time. U think they had nothing lose? They were rich and educated! Or faced no danger? They risked their lives!

Gandhi was lawyer.
Mendela a prince.
Sun Yat Sen a successful doctor married to a rich family.

The problem with SG is that the Lucky Tans have no balls.

Anonymous said...

Sg is only interested in football. Even in that, we sucks! lol

Anonymous said...

To those who say some bloggers are "instigators"
maybe true, but you need to differentiate btwn those who instigate, and those who wants to encourage people to speak out.

And those who are anonymous - for many reasons too. I won't judge them, because maybe some of them have valid reasons to be anonymous..what if they're on your side on physically they are "inside" and wanted to help?!
*wink *wink..

So the best way to judge them over them.

Lastly, I'm sharing this video because is quite funny when you watch the last bit of the it where the activist call-for-action! Very appropriate for Singaporeans.

Now I learnt that the same organizers say #occupyrafflesplace happens every saturday same place. So there's one coming again this weekend. You think Singaporeans will do Singapore proud again? Or are we going to be laughing joke of WSJ ? And how many people can trust the same organizers again after they ruined their credibility? Or regardless of that, will singaporeans still show up in force and solidarity and not let that bad experience be used as an excuse? So many questions...LOL

http://vodpod.com/watch/15555445--101-cnn-ireport

Anonymous said...

Me thanks those that responded to my comments at this thread.

Allow me to paste a comment me made at Singapore Notes(Blogsite); in fact me was not supportive of the Call to occupy Raffles Place for reason that is self explanatory in the Said Comment below:-Honestly, me believes there will be no impact in 'occupying Raffles Place'. Just to follow what is happening in the US now will not yield anything significant.
There will be more participants sometimes down the road when more people face problems cause by policy implementations. NOW, the people have yet to be affected to a level where and when they 'tak boleh tahan'(cannot bear it anymore). However, more will face rising difficulty as the economy falters.
Any event with a purpose must bear the intended result and has the impact to show that it is not done for nothing or worse a failure. If it manages only to garner crowd liked those at Speaker Corner which me attended many times, it will be wasted effort.
Me thinks there will be a better time for it and meanwhile netizens can gather and highlight more hardships cause by poor/bad policies, malpractices in the market place and unethical deeds of professionals.

Participation in an event such as 'occupying Raffles Place' is not going to make anyone a hero, as such me does not see cowardice relevant here.

That is how i see it.

My apology to anyone who finds my earlier comment distasteful.

patriot
October 14, 2011 11:42 PM//

Do let me say that me appreciates almost all the socio-political bloggers. However, it is pretty evident to all of us in Blogosphere that few bloggers are communicating with each others. Yes, there are a handful that support and help one another in activities on the ground. When the netizens are able to work together, it will be a formidable force against injustice in our society. Conversely, when netizens are fragmented, some bloggers simply gave up and much of their invaluable inputs are lost.

patriot

Anonymous said...

After 2 intense elections, and with the opening of the 12th parliament where debate of policies will be discussed, I think people are just ready to give it a pause and see how it goes. Any cumulative angst and unhappiness have cooled by now, and issues will be raised by Oppositions/NCMPs. Singaporeans are quite pragmatic lot. Thinking they have already voted in some handful of OMPs, that's enough to let them do their jobs for them.

That's why the reaction to occupy is so tepid.
Of course, not withstanding the fact that the police are also ready to pounce, coupled with the lack of planning and clear messaging. It remains to be seen if/how the govt will be perceived in their responses to people's voices/needs.

Anonymous said...

Just say we are a small minded people who feels that the world revolves around our little universe or govt.

The day we become a global community is the day we join the rest of the world and stand up for...99%

Anonymous said...

True that part of the reason is that people are afraid of the authorities but I believe a far greater reason is that this protest is frankly pointless. I don't know about other countries, but here in Vancouver, those people who occupy the art gallery seems to be clueless and directionless. Not to say a lot of bums/homeless people are more than happy to camp out there.

Anonymous said...

Protest protest ...protest your head. Go buy toto better

Anonymous said...

Not happy with status quo then do something about it during the next election la !

I think alot of Singaporean still dont feel that there is nothing wrong with a system where the incumbent only secures 60 percent of votes but 93 percent of seats during the last GE.

Maybe when it drops to 30 & 60 percent, they would wake up, hopefully :)

Anonymous said...

There are millions of unemployed workers including many graduates from a wide spectrum of society in the world. Of those employed, many millions more are not paid 5 Cs wages. And many of them have to hold 2 or more jobs to survive.

The number will be very scary if they join and rise up against politicians.

Anonymous said...

99 ordinary joes beat up one Mike Tyson who do you think will come up...dead?

Anonymous said...

rather..END up dead?

Winking Doll said...

To Anon at 19/10/11 02:45 who wrote: " I don't know about other countries, but here in Vancouver, those people who occupy the art gallery seems to be clueless and directionless."

Please speak for yourself. I am also here in Metro Vancouver. The people I speak to, IMHO, seems to have a better grasp of the issues than the typical Singaporean. Birds of a feather flock together, perhaps you are hanging out with a different crowd?

" a lot of bums/homeless people are more than happy to camp out there."

In addition, if you have an issue with bums/homeless people camping out, then please return to Singapore where according to an MP -- there are no poor people.

Anonymous said...

To Winky Doll,
Are you insecure or something? Why so riled up? Every person has his or her own opinion. Note I already said one of the reason is the fear of authorities but I didn't comment on whether I support that or not you imbecile! Stop jumping into all sorts of childish conclusion. Yea “Birds of the same feather flock together". Go fight your pointless cause. If think you or they are so smart, tell me what you hope to achieve with this protest. Funny that you wanna talk about the homeless people in this manner. It's exactly people like you with this kind of short term thinking that causes this problem in the first place. Too bad you started this childish accusation thing. Taste your own medicine you simpleton.

Anonymous said...

To Winky Doll,
Pardon for my riled up reply. Talking about speaking for yourself. I have to clarify though. Although I feel that the protest is pointless and honestly a waste of public resources, I am not in support of how things are done in Singapore. I rather rant about it then not seeing any protestors at Raffles Place due to fear.

About those people having a better grasp than typical Singaporeans, I would rather not go into such sweeping statements. Singaporeans are not known to be eloquent, but that doesn't mean they have less grasp of the issues.

Anonymous said...

Chinaporeans are gutless, spineless, useless, clueless. No wonder they are the laughingstock in Asia. Keep this up and soon they will be foreigners in their own tiny little wasteland.