Sunday, November 27, 2011

Minster Lim Swee Say on Structural Unemployment....

Here is a report of what our Labor Chief Lim Swee Say said at a forum on Saturday:

"A big concern is a mismatch between workers' skills and what's demanded by
employers
. Mr Lim said low-wage workers are vulnerable to structural
unemployment.

Another group is the Professionals, Managers and Executives
(PMEs).

He said the last 15 years have seen
a concerted effort to train
workers better
.

And the current focus on achieving sustainable and
inclusive growth is an extension of this goal."  - Report in Today[Link]


Lim Swee say blames the structural unemployment problem on a "mismatch" of skills between job seekers and what employers are looking for. He then proceeds to conclude that the answer to our structural unemployment problems is retraining.

Structural unemployment has been a serious problem for the last decade and the severity of the problem is rising. Yet the PAP leaders refuse to see what is so plain and clear to everyone else and continues to prescribe a solution that had achieved so little results as the prblem grows.

Singapore underwemt great economic transformation in the 60s , 70s and 80s right up to the 90s. We moved from low cost manufacturing to electronics manufacturing to IT services and so on. We did not experience severe structural unemployment right up to the early 90s. While older workers were vulnerable during economic downturns as they are today, they are re-hired during economic recoveries when the labor market tightened up and employers had no choice but to tap the older workers to expand their businesses. Older workers got their chance in the good times  and employers were willing to retrain them for job and kept them if they were able to perform. That was why structural employment never grew to become such a big problem in the past.

Since the late 90s, the PAP opened the floodgates to foreign workers. Employers have access to an unlimited pool of young workers from India, China and the Phillipines. When the economy picks up, employers don't have to hire older workers but young foreign workers that can be hired and  retrenched easily.

Lim Swee Say's point that structural unemployment is due to a mismatched of skills if that isso, then why are the low wage workers most badly affected? These low wage workers have less skilled jobs and are the easiest to retrained to another low skilled jobs so why are they hit the hardest? The real reason is not skills but the availability of younger foreign workers.

For 15 years the PAP has perscribe retraining for people hurt by structural unemployment. After so much retraining, we find our structural unemployment problems has gotten more severe as time passes.  The PAP refusal to face up to the truth and do what is right for ordinary Singaporeans and the continued denial means that the problem can only get worse.  With a labor chief like Lim Swee Say, things can only get worse for older Singaporean workers.

128 comments:

Anonymous said...

Aiyah, if I were Lim Swee Say, I would also say the same thing what.

How can I admit that structural unemployment is due to availability of younger foreign workers, right or not?

And some more, if I were Lim Swee Say, I was indeed surprised that I did manage to win in East Coast GRC in the last elections, never mind win only 50 over %.

So I think it is OK for Lim Swee Say to say what he had said, but not OK for Lucky Tan or those older Singapore workers or professionals. But does it matter?

Anonymous said...

Why? Without influx of cheap foreign labour, who is going to prop up my $Million salary, years after years? How is Sinkapore to compete with China, India or other Asia countries?
Silly Sinkaporean, don't be too clever.

Being human is.... said...

Certainly there will be a mismatch of skills. Employers will never be satisfied because:

A) The government allows employers to hire the cheapest

B) The polytechnics and universities offer certifications that are not aligned to employers' needs

Instead of encouraging employers to send employees for skills enhancements, employers see more benefits in hiring cheaper. This is despite the Government's subsidy for training costs.

Employers waste worker's time & energies by sending them for courses that are totally irrelevant to both employer & employee.

During the crisis in 2009.. banking staff from some dept were encouraged to sign up for diplomas in tourism. The incentive was that lots of jobs will be available at MBS and that the hospitality sector would require a projected 250,000 people.

The PMETs signed up and where are they today? The "jobs" were all low level and poor paying.. with hardly any hope of advancement.

Now there is a push for the nursing and graphics diplomas and degrees.. but employers in these sectors are not employing any of these graduates!.. simply because, there are far more creative and physically capable ones available from Manila, China and India!

There is hope though.

Despite being challenged by price, our home grown people must acquire a higher proficiency in people skills. These cheaper workers come from lands with less knowledge about people from other cultures.

This is where our workforce can have some leverage. Encourage development in people and soft skills.. delivered in context to the workplace.. not everyone is in the hospitality business but everyone should be able to smile and build rapport with strangers.

This is the skill that is missing.
We cannot compete only on hard skills. but combining it with people skills would allow us to be excellent workers demanded all over the world.

Would you like to learn more?

Anonymous said...

Actually true lah, younger foreign workers did cause structural unemployment here.

BUT only for some Singapore workers, not all. At least not the majority, or else how could PAP won 60% of the votes in elections?

Some of those Singapore workers affected will either migrate to a better place elsewhere or vote the opposition. But even so, being part of 40% of the votes, they are still a minority.

That's one reason why Lim Swee Say is still around to say what he said.

Anonymous said...

All these pap mps will say things to continue to remain in their millions dollar employment not things that will make singapore better for singaporeans like retaining certain jobs for singaporeans only. even local toilets cleaners have to compete with foreign talents. bankers, property developers and politicians are the worst cons of this era.

Upsetting... said...

Structural unemployement is the result of greed.

Instead of building industries that could employ graduates to do their passion, graduates were assigned to create financial products that churned lots of profits.

You get engineering graduates selling properties, and insurance.
Clueless about engineering.

So, when the economy turns, where will these graduates go? They become part of the statistics as jobless PMET and asked to attend retraining.. in skills that are not aligned to any employer's needs.

And employers abuse this situation with a " you want a job right?.. well take it or leave it"
at salaries that are so low, it becomes insulting.

At a time where self esteem is at the lowest.. expect more people at Bedok Reservoir.

Everything appeared really rosy with 10% GDP growth.. but how was this measured?

And now we hear that its "structural".. gosh.. how in the world did any of these people get into universities???

Anonymous said...

Michael Jackson sang about this in his song & video " they dont care about us "..... & some say that was part of the reason he was suddenly targeted by all the mainstream media & eventually murdered ....go google or youtube it & you may start understanding why the problem you describe is happening throughout many parts of the world in varying degress...even for Quantas down under, France recently & the Occupy Wall Street movement.
Energy may be better utilised if you maybe awaken to the fact that maybe thats their intention anyways & they dont care ..
Its the whole value system inherent in society's profiteering motivation, monetary/material rewards, scarcity & fearmongering & control grid obsession by the ruling elite that has given rise to the ruthless competition,endless wars,massive financial fraud & general apathy in every citizenry.
But as long as most people get their everyday fix of X-Factor, channel 8 korean, Hong Kong serials & their ipads .....who cares

Anonymous said...

I can see more cynical people around. That's understandable as there really nothing anyone can do.

Thanks still to Mr Lucky Tan for reminding people still about this and if possible, citizens should just leave this country.

Enough is enough, this helplessness that people are feeling is bad for health.

Anonymous said...

lss is a joker. why not he asked the bankers, property developers and pap mps to be cheaper, better and faster?

Anonymous said...

I think we are in a situation best described by the Chinese idiom of "riding a top a tiger".

We now have lots of younger foreign workers. And to cater to an increasing population size, we have renovated, expanded and built many new shopping centres, hotels, office buildings and amenities.

If we restrict inflow of foreigners, many of the shopping malls will close down. So will many offices. Our small population isn't big enough to support so many big shopping centres and office space.

But if we keep increasing the supply of young, foreign workers, including professionals, we get structural unemployment, wage depression and even outright discriminatory hiring/firing policies against Singaporeans.

We are riding atop a tiger. Damn if you do, and damn if you don't!

Anonymous said...

Anon 19:14

Ya lah, riding a tiger but can ride for a long, long time what.

Maybe even beyond your lifetime.

Anonymous said...

zorro is just bankrupt of what to say. The only thing he can really blame and still make him look good is the very people he is supposed to help.

At least he knows which side of the bread is buttered. he definitely has PM potential since he is so good at kicking the can down the road.

Anonymous said...

Anon 19:22

Agreed. Can at least ride and survive until even after 2016.

Because in 2011 the tiger is considered very fierce already but still can survive what. And even survive well some more.

Anonymous said...

Almost 90% of PAPs are selfish idiots period. They care only for their million dollar salaries, and not the average Singaporeans. It is just a matter of time, they will eventually be kicked out, just like all the tyrannical countries in the Middle East !

No country on this planet earth have ministers who earned so much monies and yet do not do their job properly other than being a parrot... they all sing the same tune and none dare to object the tyrant. They are all YES men. It is so sad that Singaporeans are also a pathetic lots..we each care for our own. the leaders tell us that we must be gracious, but then we did not see them being gracious themselves other than taking the most important seat on occasions and getting paid millions for 52 nights of work a year ! It is indeed mind boggling !

We need a change and have all this idiotic ministers kick out and replace with those like WP Chen and Sylvia and the likes !

Anonymous said...

When bubble-fused global economy starts to burst, jobs become scare. Simply said, the number of those trained (already trained) people are just higher than the job availability. I hope that they are not throwing too much smoke to hookwink the unwary & uninitiated.

At anytime, there will always be jobs if you are willing to accept a lower pay by giving the opportunity to the employer of replacing those with a higher pay (may be older) or those low paying jobs that no one wants to do but there is still a demand (e.g cleaners, security guards, retail service staff, etc, etc).

Anonymous said...

Anon 19:14 is right.

We are riding a tiger. Nex, Jurong Point, Clementi Mall, Tampines 1, Orchard Road, MBS, RWS, Jurong East Gateway, Bunoa Vista, AMK Hub, Ion...

Look around you man. So many massive shopping centre and office development in close proximity to each other. Our development is geared towards 7-8 million people, not 3-4 million people.

How can 3-4 million people support the massive increase in shopping and entertainment infrastructure? If they fall, our REITs will fall, which in turn, banks will have to take a haircut on their loans to finance these development.

No choice! We have to keep importing more and more people! If not, there is simply no way to support all these massive developments.

Be prepared for HDB flats to get smaller, greater jams on your mrts, skyrocketing COEs for your cars!

Either all that, or just watch your shopping centres and economy collapse all around you. Might be nice to play catching in an empty MBS or Suntec City.

Anonymous said...

"Look around you man. So many massive shopping centre and office development in close proximity to each other. Our development is geared towards 7-8 million people, not 3-4 million people."

Great observation. So do you still believe that they are going for only 5m+ population. Property (premium price) geared economy. Have you also noticed more BTOs instead of the plain vanilla HDBs of yesteryears.

Anonymous said...

When i shop for my groceries in the HDB neighbourhood, I m surprised that most of the shop assistants are young Filipinos & mainland Chinese. I'm not against them but can't felt feeling that these low-skill jobs could be given to housewives who need jobs near their home or retired/retrenched workers.

Anonymous said...

Hi Anon 21:56

I have to agree with anon 21:46. Individual business owners or shopping centre REITs managers think only of building new shopping centres, renovating old ones to attract new crowds (Suntec, basement of Raffles City, Ion, Jurong Point extention).

But the government will take a macroview of all these development. It just isn't economical to let these businesses renovate or expand just to thrive. They would just simply be cannibalising business from other malls. There can only be so much business to be made from 3-4 million Singaporeans.

The only alternative is to grow the overall population, by either attracting lots of tourists, or importing en masse millions of young blue-collar and white-collared workers.

We are already aiming for a population of 7-8 million, regardless of what PAP or anyone else says.

We are going to develope Jurong East and Buona Vista in a very big way. Pray tell me where the customers are going to come from? From snatching from Jurong Point, Clementi Mall? How do we survive with so many shopping centres clustered around Tampines MRT?

There is simply no way to do it unless we import even more middle-class and high-income workers. How are we going to fill up all the office spaces in the new financial district at Marina Bay?

No way unless we increase overall population to 7-8 million. At our current population, I already see quiet shopping centres and restaurants at lunch hours.

You try to limit inflow of foreigners, it is akin to destroying the businesses at the offices at shopping centres and landlords.

No choice! Must accept structural unemployment as a consquence of importing too many young foreigners. We just simply need more people to support the businesses around here.

Anonymous said...

The hard truth is that the floodgate to foreigners were torn down and completely removed so that millions and millions of foreigners can enter Singapore to take over Singaporeans jobs.

Never mind that Singaporeans are unemployed, because Singaporeans can be channeled to national service to defend the precious lives of foreigners, foreigners dependencies and foreigners valuable properties.

In this way, Singaporeans are out of the job markets and there will be more and more cheaper foreigners available to help the rich businessmen, SMEs and MNCs to lower the cost of their businesses. With lower cost, there will be more profit and the bosses can pay themselves higher and higher salaries, higher bonuses, higher director fees, higher director benefit-in-kinds and more stock options.

The conclusion is that Singaporeans have to be unemployed so that they can serve national service and cheap foreigners must be fully employed to generate more and higher incomes for the bosses.

Anonymous said...

"No way unless we increase overall population to 7-8 million. At our current population, I already see quiet shopping centres and restaurants at lunch hours.

You try to limit inflow of foreigners, it is akin to destroying the businesses at the offices at shopping centres and landlords."

Of course, of course. Adjustments are always painful as bubbles are always bubbles like balloons full of excess air with just a thin layer of rubber. We are just postphoning the problem where the unpredictable externalities can come in many different ways.

Similarly, the whole Europe is trying to solve their past problems. Aren't the adjustments very painful and globally contagious (crisis since 2008 until now and still continuing).

Ask yourself, if we could live and get by with 3million in the past with much bigger space. Why can't we do it with 4million or 5million with a much smaller space.

Has it occured to you how was the value being captured, saved & shared (& with or among whom ?) with all these big developments or perhaps bled out (& by whom ?).

Anonymous said...

"There is simply no way to do it unless we import even more middle-class and high-income workers. How are we going to fill up all the office spaces in the new financial district at Marina Bay?"

Why would you want to create employment for many average ppl (drawing miniscule or average salaries) for big developers to benefit so much while having to support them with policies by drawing middle class spenders to support these high priced developments which in turn creating inflationary pressure on these average ppl - which may become a never ending circular problem.

Anonymous said...

To all Singapore Citizens who are unemployed and to the future unemployed Singapore Citizens,

You must ask these questions.

Why are there so many permanent residents and foreigners in Singapore?

Who allow so many permanent residents and foreigners to be in Singapore to take over my job and cause me to be unemployed?

By answering these questions, you will understand why you are unemployed.

Anonymous said...

You can easily see many shopping centres around because Singapore is small mah.

But because there are many people so still can survive what.

Some more we are not yet the most densely populated place in the world. So by world standards we can still take in some more foreigners mah.

Of course it is crowded lah but who cares as long as 60% are happy with it.

Anonymous said...

"Some more we are not yet the most densely populated place in the world. So by world standards we can still take in some more foreigners mah."

Do you think this a good world standard to guage our country with. That we should be ok... as long as we are always at least one mark (one little notch) below this standard.

Anonymous said...

Any country in this world will face this structural unemployment problem sooner or later. Why some country can survive better than others? The key is the fundamental structure of economy in a country. The key is a strong and growing SME in a country. A emerging industrialized country has initially relied on MNC and foreign investment to build its basic economic structure. At the same time, the country needs to nurture its own SME to grow to MNC. Once the economy is mature, even if foreign MNCs leave the country there are still local MNCs to replace them. This is what Taiwan and South Korea, and now China are doing. Even India is having their SME becoming MNC. You will notice that in all these countries, all is happening in the private sector and not public state own enterprises. Compared to Sinkapore, others are doing better.

Anonymous said...

What do you expect? Even in university, local able professors are not given tenure to give way to foreign professors who cannot teach in English properly and performance is no better than any of those locals leaving. Only those locals related to MIWs are allowed tenure, even beyond the normal retirement age, regardless of their performance. Many of such cronies are HOD and Deans. Most top management professors are as well. The issue is lack of accountability and transparency and therefore lack of fairness and level playing ground for non-related.

People Abusing Party said...

Steve Jobs can only be born in America. Had he been born in Singapore, he would be marginalised for trying to be a rebel; for not conforming to the stupidity of the PAP's fuck-up policies and that he'd be told that he needs to declare his race on his NRIC.

He would also be told to cut and paste technologies from other countries and discard his dream and follow the rest of the stupid Singaporeans who have no clue what they want to do with their lives except to adopt the PAP manufactured template for life: work till you die for an obscenely unaffordable rented flat, worked like a prostitute in Singapore (this includes life in the civil service), work till you're passed 65 because PAP says it's good for you and praying hard that you don't get a heart attack or a heart disease, let alone depression while you're at.

What kind of life are the blind 60% championing for in this country?

Are they that gullible not to be able to see through what kind of life the PAP's policies is giving them?

Is the real Singaporean really that daft? Everyone has been talking about the cost of living and the greed of the PAP to pay themselves millions so that they can live a millionaires' lifestyles.

You know, I know, the PAP also knows. So let's us not pretend to be daft.

You should have seen this earlier when they tried to make money from the housing of people with no social security net for you in this country if you fall sick and have no insurance and if you're out of a job because of economic downturn or you were simply retrenched.

The PAP makes themselves more and more secure with each passing and you less and less with rising flat prices, removal of pension from all the civil service except the top civil servants working for the PAPigs.

You are serving NS in this country for what. Are you fucking kidding me that the PAP leaders are the kind of leaders that we should celebrate?

Hey, they build 2 casinos in this country for "economic growth". And you'd think they are bright?!

Singaporeans, your rights are taken away from you. You are educated but what good is all that education when your jaw is locked and fear is instilled in your heart. Your call this life in Singapore freedom?

What are all the bright kids in RI, RGS, ACS, ST NICHOLAS, Dunman High, NUS High, etc. are keeping quiet and letting these PAPigs rob plunder this country for their own self-serving self-interests?!

Will the real SIngaporean please stand up?!

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Anonymous said...

Does this portfolio in the PM office provide synergy with the manpower ministry? Or is it a created post of a bureau chief reporting to the PM,and takes on special authority to carry out labour policies outside those of the mainstream, a kind of hr director with hiring agendas like favoring foreigners for the umbrella of GLC, TLCs , pseudo privatised statutory subsidiaries?
If it is, then whatever idealisms manpower may have it is like the blog author said 'kicking the can down the road'.

Anonymous said...

HR policies will always favour foreigners, even in white collared jobs. This is because for a few reasons;
a) Singaporeans generally cost more to employ

b) loyalty is no longer seen as a virtue or asset. Hire-and-fire and 'cheaper, better, faster' are more important than loyalty. Employer uses and discards employees, employees want to learn skills and then move on. No one is loyal to no one.

c) lack of anti-discrimination laws. Foreigners are more nationalistic. Indian nationals, Pinoys and other foreigners will gladly find ways to get rid of Singaporeans and replace the whole department with their own countrymen.

What are the odds of that happening in a Japanese or American or German company? You think the management there will allow Pinoys or PRCs or Indian Nationals to get rid of their German/Japanese engineers or managers?

That only happens in uniquely Singapore, where our labour minister has to plead on frontpage headlines with foreigners to not break Singaporean's ricebowl.

d) Singaporeans are burdened with NS and reservist duties, while foreigners are not. And many more foreigners openly scheme on ways to get around the NS system.

Examples such as 1 foreign adult will take citizenship, the other will take PR, and kids remain on foreign dependent pass and study in international schools. So, they can work and live in Singapore, enjoy our benefits and yet skip around NS.

Whole family may take up citizenship if they have only daughters. Not much sense to just take PR since daughters no need to waste time on NS.

Told you people see NS as a waste of time. Loyalty and sacrfice for nations are just for some other fools. You die or get crippled in war, while foreigners pack up, go home, and watch you get killed on CNN.

Anonymous said...

Swee swee lim still full of BS. They are incapable of solving the situation and they if they really put our interests over politicking, they should admit they haven't got a solution give opposition a go.

If the 60.1% have to wait until they lose their jobs to realise how bad PAP has been mishandling things, we haven't got a future then.

Anonymous said...

You know what? I dont think we are short of manpower in few years back. The problem started when the government started building more shopping malls; during the 90s, all was well cos you could only get that many shopping malls in Singapore. Most of us are employed & enjoyed a good run of wealth & prosperity. All that changed when the government decided that it's not enough to support their overheads & lands were sold to the highest bidders. It's not enough just to build buildings or shopping malls but you need people to rent these spaces & you also need people to look after these spaces. So, if you look around your once serene neighbourhood, you will see that it's full of malls, cinemas & perhaps, even a hospital! There arent enough locals to run these places & you will have to employ FTs to do the jobs. We never had these problems before & though I understand that Singapore needs to progress, we are just like a 4 horse carriage, one or two of them are running too quick for the rest to keep up!

Anonymous said...

Our government has been promoting MICE/hospitality and the IT industry in singapore. However seeing the number of foreigners in these industries, we do not have the available locals to fill up the positions. Government should not have allowed the expansion of this industries since it will only hire foreign workers.

Example is the IR. Since it has to rely on foreign workers so much, it will do little to improve the employability of locals.

Anonymous said...

LSS was moved from Bt Timah GRC to East Coast GRC to shore up the useless Lemon Lim just before this GE. In the end East Coast were almost lost. LSS said this might be his last election, knowing clearly his stars are fast fading. He has already served more than two terms so his pension is safe. That aside, LSS should do all Singaporeans and himself one last favour and attend retraining. Specifically English pronunciation classes in order to save Singaporeans from his deplorable mangling of the English language.

Anonymous said...

Simply-speaking - All working or unemployed Singaporeans can go to hell as far as the PAP is concerned!
Their overall agenda is a growth-at-all-costs, revenue & profit maximizing which at the end of the day, goes to sustain their high Ministerial pay. The wide open labour market in Singapore is indicative of the need to increase domestic consumption market - population increase from 4M to 6M between 2001-2011 (a 50% increase over 10 years) while keeping labour costs low as a great proportion of those incoming foreign workers are from lesser developing countries tempted by the almighty Strong SIN$ is the ultimate motive of the PAP. Because of this influx, Singaporeans are always going to get the short end of the stick in this situation. Also, foreign workers generate more government revenue per head (worker's levy, work permits, etc.) that a local Singaporean. That's the sorry reality for locals!
The GE 2011 was a major disappointment showing again the entrenched position of the PAP to do what they wish with the people. Silly Singaporeans that continue to vote status quo are going to pay for it down the road.
Retraining issue is a convenient policy with which the PAP can distract the people from the real object of getting & having a job. You need a period of retraining before you can apply for a job. So by then, it's your fault if the job market had moved away from your training expertise.
The only way out of this hell-hole is to MIGRATE to a western democracy where there is minimum wage and government aged pension. Unfortunately, the world in 2011 has become more complicated with various western economies indebted.
In a nutshell, Singaporeans - you're SCREWED!

Anonymous said...

Everwhere shopping centres and everywhere condominiums.
Singaporeans please ask yourself that without foreigners settling here, can the businesses survive? And will the property developed sell? To who?

Anonymous said...

Simply put, with or without Lim Swee Say makes no difference to Singapore. To have him is as good as having an extra ball in a soccer match, the game becomes more messy.

Anonymous said...

another pappy dog trying to justify opening of flood gates to foreigners by slamming singaporeans. one day, lky and lsl will end up like kaddafi.

Anonymous said...

"What are all the bright kids in RI, RGS, ACS, ST NICHOLAS, Dunman High, NUS High, etc. are keeping quiet and letting these PAPigs rob plunder this country for their own self-serving self-interests?!"

You may be surprised to know that many vacancies are given to the bright kids of FT (some even under scholarship)in these schools. When ask them whether they wld serve NS in SG, they say they wld go back to their home country then! just taking advantage of our good & "cheap" (relative to international school fee) educational system here.

Anonymous said...

Thot he is not that young also.
But seems to be very out of touch with the reality.

Anonymous said...

"If the 60.1% have to wait until they lose their jobs to realise how bad PAP has been mishandling things, we haven't got a future then."

Exactly. That's why we're looking to move out of Singapore. Today's and future Singapore is for foreigners. If you're born male here, you're fucked big-time with the fucking NS and reservists. Do a survey to find out how many young Singaporean males would do NS or reservists given a choice?

The answer is fucking clear. You want to make a guess.

Do you seriously think that even the 60% who voted the self-serving PAPigs fuckers would protect the PM?

PAP has disenfrachised the young singaporeans. Many are disillusioned with what this party is doing.

Anonymous said...

Seriously, what kind of contributions did this fucker Lim Swee Say has done for Singapore?

What is his impact huh? What the fuck is he doing?

Anonymous said...

I'm paying $1 million dollars/year for a clown that's not even funny.

I might as well cry & have some jokes to go with it.

Q. Why did the frog make so many mistakes?
A. It jumped to the wrong conclusions.

Q. What do politicians and bullfrogs have in common ?
A. Both have big heads that consist mostly of mouth!

Q. What do you call a rich frog?
A. A gold-blooded reptile.

What did the frog dress up for on Halloween?
A prince.

How many frogs does it take to screw in a light bulb?
One frog and 37 light bulbs. Slippery hands, ya know.

What do you call a frog with no legs?
It doesn't matter- he won't come anyway.
What do you call a frog with legs?
Dinner.

Anonymous said...

Lim Swee Say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TV3bDFP0tc

"I'm at a lost to descrive the feelings inside."

and Lim Swee Say again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao-DGAw1Q2o

"...I feel so rich you know..."

At least, he knows how to describe his CPF.

By the way, who is accusing who, huh? Didn't your PM admitted that Singaporeans have been going through a stressful 5 years? Didn't the PM of Singapore apologised 2 days before the elections?

Don't caricature the arguement Lim Swee SUAY! We're not accusing. We're stating the facts. Is it not the case that you're a millionaire and you're us to be cheaper, faster and better? Why can't you be cheaper, faster and less cunning?

You're a useless good-for-nothing minister.

PAP is a selfish ministry. It is the same leaders who have led themselves in riches from the peoples' hard labour and removed the civil service pensions while keeping its own intact.

If that's not selfish greedy leaders, what is?

Anonymous said...

I think it is hard for the multi million dollar minister to understand and appreciate the problem it caused by their policies cause they are not subject to competition themselves except once every five years and then compete only with singaporean and not PR or foreigners.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't matter whether the ministers understand and appreciate or not the problem it caused by their policies.

Most important is that 60% voters understand and appreciate the PAP at elections.

Once this is achieved, all other misunderstandings, non appreciation or even hatred etc, and by whoever, is secondary.

Anonymous said...

40% votes = 6 opposition MPs
80% votes = 12 opposition MPs

No need to worry about freak election results.

Just vote your conscience in GE 2016.
PAP will still form the next government.

Anonymous said...

40% votes = 6 opposition MPs
80% votes = 12 opposition MPs
Anon 09:44

Hahahaha. That means one special GRC to have 80% of the candidates so if PAP win just this one with only 20% of the total votes is enough for 2/3(66%) majority seats already.

But like that can or not? Does the election law allow this or will the law change to allow this?

Anonymous said...

Younger foreign workers did cause structural unemployment here. But LSS will never admit that because he needs this influx of cheap foreign labour to prop up his $Million salary, years after years. Another cause of structural unemployment is caused by the PAP's mistake in steering the economy
in the direction of a financial center and its failure to promote and nurture our local budding entrepreneurs into a strong manufacturing hub or private
enterprises in service/retail which would provide for local employment. Instead the government monopolises many business giving themselves an unfair advantage eg NTUC fairprice and GLCs killing off any remote hope of young Singaporean venturing into such enterprises. Given the advantages given, these GLCs still fail to make it into world class companies. This is because these companies seem to provide employment for PAP elites who were retired from politics, a reward for their loyalty to PAP. The lack of any strong local industries has led to dependence on foreign MNCs for local employment. These MNCs definitely weld greater bargaining power.

Anonymous said...

We need a strong Opposition to protect Singaporeans against anti-people policies.

The Party Against People.
The party of choice for,
people who don't like people.

Anonymous said...

Singapore used to do well as it did what governments were supposed to do, create an environment conducive for citizens to
- earn a living
- have reasonably affordable housing
- be safe
- have adequate healthcare
- bring up their children (if any)

Running the place like a company basically means that you the citizen will end up paying more for less, afterall, the company needs to answer to its board of directors whose bonuses are independent of things that matter to you - the individual.

Clear eyed said...

Lim Swee Say says a "mismatch between workers' skills and what's demanded by employers" is causing structural unemployment among the low-income workers and PMETs.

Strange that structural unemployment is found only among these groups of workers here. What about our political appointees and senior civil servants? Why is there no structural unemployment among them even though in many instances there is clear mismatch of skills and acceptable job performance? And we are paying $millions every year to each of these round pegs in square holes and the effects of their poor work performances can be wide-ranging and severe! Are we practising double standard and being too lenient and generous towards our servants to the point of absurdity?

Anonymous said...

"Why is there no structural unemployment among them even though in many instances there is clear mismatch of skills and acceptable job performance?"
Anon 16:01

Are you a leader of a party that won 93% seats in the elections?

If not, what is the use of saying that even if you are right?

Anonymous said...

Lim Swee Say says a "mismatch between workers' skills and what's demanded by employers" is causing structural unemployment among the low-income workers and PMETs.


Swee Say is right.

Employers want the workers to be foreign (preferably of their own nationality), exempted from NS-reservist duty, not go on maternity leave, be CHEAPER-better-faster.

Of course there is a mismatch in worker's skills and employers' demands.

Anonymous said...

Question:

An unemployed PMET that is undergoing Lim Swee Say's re-training.
Is this PMET counted as UNEMPLOYED during the training period?

Cynic of Singapore Unemployment Statistics

Anonymous said...

The "re-training" of former politicians into Senior/Special Advisers:

Raymond Lim
Senior Adviser
Swire & Sons

George Yeo
Senior Adviser
Kuok Group

Lim Hwee Hua
Senior Advisor
Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. L.P

Anonymous said...

"Are you a leader of a party that won 93% seats in the elections?

If not, what is the use of saying that even if you are right?"

So does it mean that you have to be a leader of some party that won 93% before you can say something right.

Or are you implying that only leaders of some party that won 93% can say something right.

Anonymous said...

Is this PMET counted as UNEMPLOYED during the training period?
Anon 19:27

Of course not. Because undergoing training is also a form of work. As long as you need to use a bit of your brain or even your hands or muscles, you are considered working. Even if it is only 2 hours per day.

Unemployed means you are on vacation (holiday) which you do not wish to and which you also cannot decide for how long.

Anonymous said...

Anon 22:13

What you say may be right but so what? What can you do? And even if you can do, of what effect?

Anonymous said...

4 points from relating to jobs, employment in SIngapore :

1) Having Resort casinoes does not solve that. THe working conditions of many of the jobs in casinoes have such bad hours, low salary that it is bad for family life. How can you realistically expect Singaporeans to hold such jobs as croupiers as long term careers?

I read complaints and noises about Casinoes not getting enough workers. It does not matter !! The casinoes are making so much money. They dont need help getting cheap labour. Casinoes should pay higher salaries if they want good SIngaporean workers. Stop making money at the expense of poor workers.!!


Singaporeans have been under-Selling themselves. We have been constantly told to be cheap and good so that we can survive as a nation.

I wish to tell fellow Singaporeans that we are good enough against the likes people from of other developed countries Australia, UK, USA, HK etc etc.

2) Too many foreigners are holding jobs that dont need special skills. For example, in a foreign financial firm, there is a Western executivie in charge of the pantry and cleaning related matters. Come on. THere are many SIngaporeans who can do that job better for lesser pay.


3) We need policies to ensure a computer professional taken into SIngapore for his computer skills remain in this field.. Otehrwise what is the point of importing him? Our current work permits for these people dont ensure that.


4) We dont need for 'paper traders' and 'papaer shufflers' imported . We should not take a person because he has $10m. TAke him if he has $10m to start a business that employs 20 SIngaporeans. Job creation must be a criteria.

Anonymous said...

"What you say may be right but so what? What can you do? And even if you can do, of what effect?"

Give you an analogy. You see. You just do what you think is right & let others defeat you. One thing you must not do is to defeat yourself (w/o others having to lift their fingers) with your defeatist thinking n make the jobs of others easy who are dying for a easy victory.

Even if you are defeated, you can at least tell yourself it is not lack of trying. However if you are defeated by sitting still, who are you going to blame.

Anonymous said...

If you don't take care of your own people, someone else with take care of them.

Today's Singapore is in such a bad shape because the PAP government has the help of 3.5 million native Singaporeans to do it to them.

Anonymous said...

"TAke him if he has $10m to start a business that employs 20 SIngaporeans. Job creation must be a criteria."
Anon 29/11/11 23:22

Alamak, you think so easy to find this type of rich people hah?

You can set all the criteria you want but you may not get anybody.

But you need somebody so choose the next best available lah.

Like if you need to eat, no fish prawn also can or good what.

Kojakbt said...

>> Lim Swee Say's point that structural unemployment is due to a mismatched of skills if that isso, then why are the low wage workers most badly affected? These low wage workers have less skilled jobs and are the easiest to retrained to another low skilled jobs so why are they hit the hardest? The real reason is not skills but the availability of younger foreign workers.

Excellent observation by Lucky Tan. And agree with Lucky, things can only get worse as the local employers are already addicted to the "FT Opium" and our Govt is not willing to upset the foreign MNCs by cutting back on FT import. Here's the stats from DOS:

# of non-resident foreigners in SG:
2006 876K
2007 1,006K
2008 1,197K
2009 1,254K
2010 1,305K
2011 1,394K

Anonymous said...

Excellent observation by Lucky Tan.
Kojakbt 13:40

Excellent lah, but can eat or not?

Anonymous said...

cannot eat.

but can translate into votes or not?

Hawk -ER party! said...

Why bother to train our own citizens?

There are millions of people around our region which have not enjoyed an MRT ride or even a visit to a casino of international standards.

These millions are hungrier and do not mind working 7 to 7 shifts with incentives for overtime too.

Once these millions have completed their contracts, more will follow.
'Our workforce' will always be young and eager.

They will always have a place here in Singapore. Recession? no way! a reduced GDP number maybe and never more than a quarter that will be minus.

Meanwhile, what will happen with our citizens?.. well, little do these foreigners know, once they get PR or citizenship, they too will be jobless!. but their sons will have to march around Tekong.

Its ok.

We just make sure we get our char kway teow, ta mee-pok, prata, rendang and delicious chicken rice or hokkien mee.

The next election, I look forward for a party that has a manifesto that is achievable and realistic.. the party that says:

"Hawker centres for all"

"One vote, many dishes to eat!"
"One vote, no need to cook!"
"One vote, no need to be cleaner!"
"one vote, no need to work!"

"VOTE THE HAWK-ER PARTY, now!"

Anonymous said...

Have you not noticed that PAP is giving us Singaporeans a second rate quality of life? Just look at the overcrowding all around you.

Anonymous said...

"Have you not noticed that PAP is giving us Singaporeans a second rate quality of life? Just look at the overcrowding all around you."

getting crowded and crowded. more noise, more vehicles, more roads & even some roads near to people's houses widened, hence road become even nearer to residential units - all of these enable you to have a chance to breath in more vehicular exhaust and more noise. some condominiums are even built near busy junctions. what are they really trying to do, ain't they know enough is enough.

Anonymous said...

THe quality of life and standard of living has dropped for the majority of Singaporeans. The converse is has improved tremendously for the government elites - in fact, they bestowed themselves as millionaires with their self-imposed million dollar salaries.

When all this was happening, Singaporeans sat back and let it happened.

Anonymous said...

I would like to point how steep the propaganda machinery is in Singapore with the MSM.

http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC111201-0000035/Quality-of-living,-safety-place-Spore-as-top-ranked-Asian-city

That's why your blog is a hit with many Singaporeans. If you live your life in Singapore and are fed on a diet of The States Times, you could actually be proud to be Singaporean.

This kind of white washing of data aims to delude Singaporeans and it's very unhealthy that government newspapers are doing this.

Anonymous said...

"...more roads & even some roads near to people's houses widened, hence road become even nearer to residential units...."
Anon 22:37

This is bad and I am a victim of this. The tall shady, matured trees in front of my block were cut down for road widening. Now the busy road was only a few metres away, separated only by a narrow walk path. And lately I develop lung problems.

Anonymous said...

Joke / Satire
-------------

Q. Singapore has submitted an entry into the Guinness Book of World Record - Thinnest book category
What is the name of that book?

A. "Poorly paid PAP politicians"

Anonymous said...

"Based on the Labour Force Survey conducted in June, the median monthly income from work of full-time employed residents – Singaporeans and PRs – increased by 8.3 per cent to S$3,449 this year from the previous year."
Yahoo News

You see, half (50%) of those employed are earning more than S$3,449 per month. And S$3,449 is the median, NOT average monthly income!

No wonder PAP can win 93% seats in the last election with 60% of the votes!

Because 50% has incomes of at least S$3,449 per month and only 10% (60-50) has less than S$3,449 per month.

Anonymous said...

"But you need somebody so choose the next best available lah.

Like if you need to eat, no fish prawn also can or good what."

Anon 30/11/11 08:49



aiyo , sounds very hardup. No need to be so desperate.....

Anonymous said...

"1/12/11 08:55
This is bad and I am a victim of this. The tall shady, matured trees in front of my block were cut down for road widening. Now the busy road was only a few metres away, separated only by a narrow walk path. And lately I develop lung problems."

You look at the degree of aggressive of development and you see more and more concrete and lesser and lesser green.

These are the consequences when you have idioitic pigs as planners & implementers creating more problems when coming out with solutions which look nice on papers but overlooking important considerations.

About trees, now you see short or smaller trees which are easy to maintain but with lesser cover unlike the old days where big trees have bigger ground area & space to take root.

Anonymous said...

The sooner the pap gets rid of nimcompoops like Lim Swee Say, the better it will be for the party. This fella is shallow and weird.

Anonymous said...

Just look at the amount of comments! You will never see so much response if this is about democracy and human rights which sadly are ignored by locals and will continue to be so.

They don't realize any problems with not having those til FTrash came and took our jobs. Now everything is too late.

FTrash will govern this place right now from jobs to the value of HDB flats. Too late.

Anonymous said...

Betterer if PAP keeps LSS.

And Singaporeans vote PAP out!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Many of my friends, including me, will vote for PAP.

We are middle-class people and we travel widely. We have travelled and worked in places like US, UK, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia.

No matter how bad PAP is, PAP is still much better than the politicians elsewhere. Corruption is rampant in most countries. In America, politicians openly solicit donations from lobbyists and fight for the interests of the corporations funding their elections campaign. If that is not corruption, then what is? Practially the entire Senate and Congress is legally corrupt. You really think they are so noble as to take low pay and serve the nation?
The only people who take low pay to serve the nations are the soldiers and teachers and public servants, who take low pay, get killed during their jobs and get rewarded with medals.

You rather live in HDB in Singapore, or live in house in Thailand or Malaysia? Crime, floods, lack of security comes to mind.

PAP is screwed up. But it is still not as screwed up as politicians from other countries.

At least PAP built up steady surplus. European, Japanese and American politicians have led their countries into BANKRUPTCY!

Anonymous said...

"At least PAP built up steady surplus. European, Japanese and American politicians have led their countries into BANKRUPTCY!"

Maybe you would like to tell us how many european countries are bankcrupt.

Maybe you would like to tell us how the japanese can be bankcrupt when they have one of the highest internal savings in the world.

Maybe you would like to tell us that if America is so bankcrupt, why do so many countries have a huge part of their economy being dollarised and many countries are holding their usd or T-bill, notes and bonds.

Anonymous said...

"Maybe you would like to tell us how many european countries are bankcrupt."


Iceland, Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain.

And total lack of leadership from Germany and France over helping the PIIGS nation solve their problems. Even Mah Bow Tan is more competent than that.

Would you like the PM of any of the PIIGS nation to come and govern us?

Fools have no idea how to run a country, except by perpetually borrowing more money from the future to pay for the present. I heard of such a scheme before, and it is called a PYRAMID SCHEME!!

"Maybe you would like to tell us that if America is so bankcrupt, why do so many countries have a huge part of their economy being dollarised and many countries are holding their usd or T-bill, notes and bonds."

That is from the good work done by past American leaders, before the US got into massive debts by fighting two wars which were neither profitable on their balance sheet, nor victorious in both the military and political front.

Extremely bad leadership and fiscal governance, where budget deficit is now the norm and inflating the currency is needed to cheapen the debt and stimulate the economy.

China is investing money to upgrade their infrastructure and build bullet trains. USA can't even agree on whether to repair their bridges and roads, let alone set aside money to build bullet trains.

Not very competent leaders, be it Republicans or Democrats. Their heydays are over.

Anonymous said...

"And total lack of leadership from Germany and France over helping the PIIGS nation solve their problems. Even Mah Bow Tan is more competent than that."

Maybe, they have made a bad decision of not keeping MBT in his ministerial. Or they know something that we do not know.

Quite a painful contradiction right.

Let's just say you are a spendtrift person & at the rate that you have been spending all along, most probably you can't service the debts (w/o further borrowing & help) that is owed to someone who the habit of saving & being trift & this person has loaned to you a lot in the past, do you expect that person to continue helping you knowing the possibility of collecting back all the money is almost nigh or low.

Germany and France also need to be accountable (exercizing their domestic leadership) to their people & the other Euro countries if they have to expend the savings (indirectly) and taxpayers money by helping the other more "irresponsible countries". The approach is to help but also to be able to extract maximum committment / guarantee in getting back the money.

"That is from the good work done by past American leaders, before the US got into massive debts by fighting two wars which were neither profitable on their balance sheet, nor victorious in both the military and political front."

Perhaps and in the beginning. But why the world is still very much entrenched and cannot get out of it after knowing the facts for so many years. Put in simply, why can't they (the other nations) get out of it now. hahaha.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

"China is investing money to upgrade their infrastructure and build bullet trains. USA can't even agree on whether to repair their bridges and roads, let alone set aside money to build bullet trains."

They should have done that long ago by enhancing their own infranstructure. Else, what would they do with all the huge USD reserves that they are holding which may not be so welcome in some more advanced nations in terms of 'strategic asset' acquisition unless it is pure hard aids (e.g financial crisis).

As for china, bullet train is only some big visible (showcase) project which is easily identiable. There are many pockets of unhappiness in the lower strata of the population and the nation's wealth like any other nations must filter down to more of those in the lower food chain before the social problems become too serious eclipsing national wealth performance / indicator.

You do not need to worry about USA not being able to build and repair bridges and roads. They will get built and repaired eventually as the american can still print the USD.

Anonymous said...

Let's not get too carried away.

The point being made is that many of us will continue to vote for PAP. This is because we find PAP politicians to be much more competent than most politicians worldwide.

And many of us who lived and worked overseas would rather be an average joe in Singapore than in places like Malaysia, Phillipines, Burma, Greece, Iceland, Ireland or even the USA.

That's why even when Mah Bow Tan did a terrible job as minister for National Development and public housing, he still won his elections convincingly. Same for most PAP politicians elsewhere.

Pure singa... said...

Hey! don't fight over this lah...

What matters most is that we, in singalalaland, will still be able to eat, enjoy shopping, drive cars, speculate in property, speculate in shares..

enjoy geyland, nininoys gals.. wat heck care about all this?

change handphone every 6 months
change car every 3 years
change girlfriend every now and then

all this can only take place in a safe environment like singaggaalland

Anonymous said...

"That's why even when Mah Bow Tan did a terrible job as minister for National Development and public housing, he still won his elections convincingly."
Anon 10:10

I think Mah Bow Tan won partly because his opponent was Goh Meng Seng.

Had it been Low Thia Khiang, Sylvia Lim or Chen Show Mao, I think Mah Bow Tan would have lost too like those PAP candidates in Aljunied.

Anonymous said...

"change handphone every 6 months
change car every 3 years
change girlfriend every now and then"

as long as you are employable or a successful businessman and not get retrenched in the mid 40s or early 50s where your rate of enjoying the above changes plus huge financial commitments (e.g BTO, EC, 300k 3-rm) far exceed your earning power (or earning power if you are retrenched)

changing girlfriend every now and then is for those who have not reached the stage of assuming responsible family commitment and finance unless you are referring to those successful playboys.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:13

I tend to agree too. In fact, if all the opposition candidates were as strong as those in Aljunied and also united, the situation could have been 93% seats for opposition and 7% seats for PAP. And the 7% would be the uncontested Tanjong Pagar GRC.

Anonymous said...

The vast majority of older Singaporeans are shallow and cowards. Got cheated by LKY and his pap and they still don't know. What did LKY and his pap promised Singaporeans elections after elections ? What did Singaporeans get after voting them in ?

Anonymous said...

"And many of us who lived and worked overseas would rather be an average joe in Singapore than in places like Malaysia, Phillipines, Burma, Greece, Iceland, Ireland or even the USA."

Did our leader ever mention Malaysia, Phillipines, Burma, Greece, Iceland, Ireland or even the USA. He was right until now by having mentioned Switzerland. I would include Germany.

Hopefully, you are trying to lower our expectation (after knowing it was more about riding a good wave rather than the often trumpeted talent) & at the same time being able to justify their high pay

Anonymous said...

Goh Meng Seng was originally from WP. He lost in 2006, and later hopped over to the NSP. He lost again in 2011, and now he is going to quit from NSP.

How come like that?

Anonymous said...

"I tend to agree too. In fact, if all the opposition candidates were as strong as those in Aljunied and also united, the situation could have been 93% seats for opposition and 7% seats for PAP. And the 7% would be the uncontested Tanjong Pagar GRC."

but would this fall under the definition of freak election where it may go back to 100% to 0%.

going by your reasoning, why weren't all the other WP contested seats in the last election won by WP.

don't downplay the important role of the other opposition parties & members, they are not having it easy either not because of WP but because of the uneven playing field here.

Anonymous said...

"Anon 10:40
don't downplay the important role of the other opposition parties & members, they are not having it easy either not because of WP but because of the uneven playing field here."

The playing field will be uneven because we play by the Chinese rule of "winner be king, loser be bandit", or popularly known as "winner takes all".

Workers' Party doesn't even represent the workers. It's just a hollow name. The organization that really can represent workers is NTUC, and they are in open partnership with PAP.

HDB and People's Association will also openly work with PAP to help PAP candidates win back Aljunied GRC. People's Association may claim to be non-partisan, but all my friends who volunteer at PA or CCC tell me that if you don't support PAP, you are not welcome to serve in any PA committee or NTUC leadership. All of them were activated during GE2011 to canvass support for PAP candidates.

The playing field is of course unfair. We all know about how Tin Pei Ling can break election rules and still not be punished.

The winner makes the rules. Even 1+1 = 3, if the winner says it is so.

Anonymous said...

Joke / Satire

Singapore Book Titles I'd Like to See:

"Too Few Good Men" - The Myth of PAP's Talent Pool by Lee Hsien Loong

"Underpaid PAP Politicians" by Gerard Ee

Anonymous said...

Joke /Satire

PAP's Limitless Talent at Work

1. Tin Pei Ling. Enough said.

2. $300 million cost over-run at the Youth Olympics. Vivian (Video) Balakrishnan

3. "Once-in-50-years flood" - Dr. Yaacob Ibrahim. Flooding for 3 years in a row already.

Anonymous said...

Joke /Satire

<>

The real joke is on you. All three politicians mentioned above won their recent elections.

Anonymous said...

You are right. They certainly "won" the elections fair and square.

This "accomplishment" must make them the "bestest" talents in Singapore.

Since George Yeo, Lim Hwee Hua, Zainul Abidin Rasheed, Cynthia Phua and Ong Ye Kung lost - the joke is on them.

Never mind. Can always be special or senior advisors to some corporations somewhere. Give the bestest advice available in Singapore.

Anonymous said...

"You are right. They certainly "won" the elections fair and square."

Fair and square are for idiots and losers only.

The world only cares who wins, not whether you followed the rules. This is a universal rule.
So what if PAP won unfairly because of Operation Cold Store?



"The winner is king!" - Chinese saying.

Anonymous said...

Like someone once said:

Party Against People.
For people who don't like people.

If you don't like your fellow Singaporeans.
If you don't respect your fellow Singaporeans.

Why do you want to be a politician?
Why do you want to "represent" me?

Why do you want to be my leader?

Anonymous said...

"The world only cares who wins, not whether you followed the rules. This is a universal rule.
So what if PAP won unfairly because of Operation Cold Store?"

Oh, u r quite forthright. So at least some 'idiots' are now learning from you that unfairness is a universal rule or is it ?

I have once replied to my friend who has told me the same thing. The world is unfair but as far as you yourself are concerned & who may be disadvantaged, you better make sure that is fair for you - as it is your own interest that is at stake.

If unfairness is a universal rule, sooner or later people (who may be unfairly treated through double standards or who may be too naively believing by the double speak of others) will try master the art of being unfair to outdo one another
as this is the only way to go.

"The winner is king!" - Chinese saying.

the chinese (in China) have said a lot of things. they also went through many peoples' revolutions to upsurp many past kingdoms. now the state has replaced kingdom and many of the chinese are still trying to get out of there.

Anonymous said...

"Oh, u r quite forthright. So at least some 'idiots' are now learning from you that unfairness is a universal rule or is it ?"

In 2011, 60.1% accepted this. Through the 1970s-1990s, at least 70% of all voters consistently accepted this as ethical and morally correct.

So, as long as the majority of us benefit, it is okay for the minority of you to get retrenched and replaced by foreigners.

PAP knows this and will work on such a fundamental truth to keep its position in power.

I am the gahmen.. said...

Keep power?

There was none to share or to give in the first place!

You & I do not matter.

What matters is that Singapore is known to the world and every thing is thought as "global".. our neighbours are classified as "global"

Your dust bin, car park, coe issues are too parochial for any minister or government to deal with.

They are very BIG picture.
anything below 100 million is for the grassroots to handle.
They rub shoulders only with World Economic Forummers, Forbes and Commonwealth Heads of states.

All for the purpose of getting business for GLC companies..
as for you... you go for retraining to upgrade yourself.. its your fault, for not being smarter.. you idiot.

Anonymous said...

George Yeo (Transformer Man), 20 Feb 1994:

“Remember your place in society before you engage in political debate…
Debate cannot (de)generate into a free-for-all, where no distinction is made between the senior and junior party…

You must make distinctions -
What is high, what is low, what is above, what is below,

and then within this, we can have a debate, we can have a discussion…
people should not take on those in authority as ‘equals”


Party Against People.
Mother of all anti-people policies.
The political party of choice.
For People who don't like People.

Anonymous said...

Singaporeans are very pragmatic. As long as you give them good jobs, money, food, security, they will turn a blind eye to your excesses.

That is why Lee's job with the Kempeitai, Nathan's job with the Kempeitai, Operation Cold Store and Operation Spectrum are all non-issues with the overwhelming majority of voters.

Opposition got lucky in GE2011 because PAP's mass import of foreigners affected too many Singaporean's livelihood, and also because of runaway inflation of HDB flats' prices.

If PAP improves labour laws to prevent foreigner bosses from firing Singaporeans en masse and bring down HDB prices significantly, you will be living with PAP for a very very long time.

Quite silly to argue on idealist motions or on black-and-white moral grounds, when in reality, most people are willing to see in greys if it suits their personal interest.

Anonymous said...

@ Anon 3/12/01 00.07

Your arguments reeks of Old Man's rant about Good Governance and Incorruptibility by paying Ministers a high salary some years ago. Today, all Singaporean found out what high Ministerial salaries does to the economy - a cost of living that is out of this world, high asset prices eg. housing and cars, an expensive and prohibitive healthcare system. All these has to feed the rich Ministers at the expense of the people.
Nearly 10 years ago, my family & I decided to leave Singapore for another country. Our objectives were simple: 1. Education & teriary opportunities; 2. Job opportunities; & 3. Unemployment protection & retirement benefits. On all 3 counts - we achieved it. Had we remained in Singapore, I'd shudder to think of the consequences.
Quote: You rather live in HDB in Singapore, or live in house in Thailand or Malaysia? Crime, floods, lack of security comes to mind.
...well, we're living in a double storey 4-bedroom house with an enclosed garage, not a pigeon hole that Singaporeans call HDB flat. Also, we have a new car which costs us less than a third of what will cost Singaporeans with COE, ARF, etc to buy one. Singapore, too has crime (read in Asiaone about murders, bodies, etc.). Floods are natural diasters - didn't S'pore suffered from floods sometime back in Orchard Road & Bukit Timah. Loads of expensive cars got drowned. LOL! Lack of security? It is a known fact that Singapore police look the other way or don't bother to investigate petty crimes these days. Who are you kidding? Here, we have neighborhood patrols as well as the police that will attend to you.

Quote: No matter how bad PAP is, PAP is still much better than the politicians elsewhere.

How bad is PAP? They are atrociously bad! In my book, there are 6 essential elements to a comfortable life; 1. good disposable income; 2. affordable food; 3. affordable housing; 4. reasonably affordable private transportation; 5. reasonably affordable utilities costs (electricity, water, gas & broadband); & reasonably priced petrol. PAP-wise - 1. income levels are falling while living costs rising; 2. compare to my supermarket here, NTUC or Sheng Siong is strictly 3rd world standard. S'pore hawker food contains lots of carbohydrates, MSG, fats, salt, & very little protein - nutrition-wise, not good - diabetes, high cholesterol & blood pressure, kidney problems down the road. I shud know cos I'd had mild diabetes, high cholesterol from years of hawker food before I left S'pore. 3,4,5 & 6. Costs have accelerated since we left. On a recent visit, we're told by our friends in S'pore, utility bills of S$600-700 per month are the norm. That used to by what I was paying for my mortgage years ago!

Quote: PAP is screwed up. But it is still not as screwed up as politicians from other countries.

It is not PAP that is screwed up! It is the Singapore electorate whom continued vote for PAP. In other countries, screwed up politicians are voted out of office. This simple fact you don't even know?

Quote: Many of my friends, including me, will vote for PAP.

We are middle-class people and we travel widely. We have travelled and worked in places like US, UK, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia.

We feel sorry for you and your friends. With regards to your "travel widely" - did your plane leave the runway yet?

Quote: At least PAP built up steady surplus. European, Japanese and American politicians have led their countries into BANKRUPTCY!

How do you know there is a surplus unless you're Mdm Ho Ching herself? Todate, no Singaporean knows the true financial situation of Temasek Holdings, GIC and the Government Treasury. You know?

Anonymous said...

"How do you know there is a surplus unless you're Mdm Ho Ching herself? Todate, no Singaporean knows the true financial situation of Temasek Holdings, GIC and the Government Treasury. You know?"
Anon 4/12/11 13:14

60% know and gave their vote to PAP. And that's what really matters.

Anonymous said...

"60% know and gave their vote to PAP. And that's what really matters."

60% and dropping i.e. going in the right direction.

GE 2016.
Light Bulb expiry date.

Tick. Tock.
Run, cronies, run.

Anonymous said...

"60% know and gave their vote to PAP. And that's what really matters."

You should say. They think they know.

Some are clueless but fearful. But are so shallow in certain policies that they only know how to parrot whatever official reasons that they read in the news. If the reasons change the next day, they will also change their reasoning the next day. well, those on top have been talking about shortcoming, i hope that those below or the 60% will also talk about some shortcoming in their own thinking.

And I hope they are really right in what they think.

Anonymous said...

Most Singaporeans have their gods to back them up, so most do not care whatever is happening in this country. They have protection from their almighties.

Anonymous said...

@ anon 4/12/11 13:32

"60% know and gave their vote to PAP. And that's what really matters."

Are you part of the 60%? Are you?

BTW, these numbers have not made public yet "60% know" or simply, they just clueless and take every thing at face value.

Even when the late President Ong Teng Cheong commissioned a study into the government surpluses that he was protecting, he was told it will take insurmountable number of man-hours to calculate.

He died before getting an answer. The next elected President Nathan was more pliable and the PAP ploughed loads of salary increases to Prataman to keep him happy and not ask difficult question like government surpluses - enough to pay for a million lifetimes of pratas on earth and in hell.

Anonymous said...

@ Anon 3/12/11 10:00

"This is because we find PAP politicians to be much more competent than most politicians worldwide."

LOL! - PAP politicians competent:? Are U kidding me?

During the 1998 Asian crisis, PAP politicians were standing twiddling thumbs & whistling American tunes while domestic stocks and property prices plunged rapidly downwards. Thailand, South Korea, and Indonesia had to sought IMF assistance. When HK & Malaysia economies were attacked, it was Donald Tsang (HK) and Mahathir (M'sia) who initiated decisive actions that brought an end to the Asian crisis 1997-98.

The unseen enemies that brought on the Asian financial crisis were the International Banks and Wall Street banks & investment institutions. The 2008 GFC is payback and karma for those who inflicted pain on Asia. The PAP? they were on the side of the Int'l banks!

"And many of us who lived and worked overseas would rather be an average joe in Singapore than in places like Malaysia, Phillipines, Burma, Greece, Iceland, Ireland or even the USA.

Average Joe:? More likely - Loser Joe!

Singaporeans I've met put on a nice front (look like doing well with 5 C's) but behind, they struggled with mortgage, car loans, overdrafts and credit card debts.

Most 30+ year old S'poreans look like 40'ish with haggard look, greying hairs and a belly pouch. 40-50 year old S'poreans already "Ah Pek" due to lost generation caused by the 1998 Asian crisis and subsequent dismantling of the pillars of S'pore economy - manufacturing, logistics and banking. Many lost their jobs due to retrenchments and lay-offs & could only get back to work as cleaners, security guards and McDonald's uncles and aunties.

Listening to you is like listening to a loser talk about not take up a chance to move out of their comfort zone.

"That's why even when Mah Bow Tan did a terrible job as minister for National Development and public housing, he still won his elections convincingly. Same for most PAP politicians elsewhere."

This statement simply blows away any justification for PAP high salaries for Minister.

Just what was Mah Bow Tan doing during the years when S'pore was experiencing high immigration flows?

A million-dollar Minister for National Development & public housing doesn't even plan for more building of flats to accomodate millions of guest workers in eventuality they receive PR or citizenship. What was he thinking? That they all go back to China?

Competent? I don't think so. Mah Bow Tan was a 2-time loser to Chiam See Tong in Potong Pasir but PAP persevered with him and "railroad" him to power via GRC. This fact show how weak is the PAP talent selection system.

Singaporeans got to ask serious questions themselves, How is it such a poor administrator as Mah Bow Tan get to preside over an important post like National Development and proceed to f**ked it up. Another point, "what is the Workers Party doing?" playing safe by not asking pertinent question is useless!

Anonymous said...

Satire/Joke - Singapore Book Titles I'd Like to See

1. "Affordable Housing in Singapore" by Mah Bow Tan
A mystery fiction about Singapore, the BTO version is expected to cost $299.
Meanwhile the DBSS limited edition will cost $1,999, a $1000 reduction from its earlier price of $2,999

2. "My Adventures in English Grammar", by Lim Swee Say

3. "An Intelligent Comment For Any Occasion" by Tin Pei Ling

4. "Fool-proof Home Security Systems" by Wong Kan Seng

5. "Spending Within Your Budget for Dummies" by Vivian Balakrishnan

6. "Helping the Poor and Needy - An Action Plan in 30 Days" by Chan Chun Sing

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