Wednesday, January 04, 2012

Malaysia implements free outpatient care for seniors....

Read this scoop from TRE.

Seniors referring to those who are above 60. For a long time, they charged a token amount of RM$1 but that has eliminated for the new year.

One should always be wary of free health care as it tends to lead to long waits and rationing at govt clinics. Having said that, our polyclinics which are supposed to be subsidized but are more expensive than many private clinics in Malaysia also have long waiting times.

"The circular, issued by ministry's finance division secretary Wong Foong Lai, stated that the exemption was in appreciation of the contributions made by senior citizens." - The Star

In Singapore, most seniors above 60 are expected to work - following the  Retirement Age Amendment Bill passed early last year, they can only have access to the bulk of their own CPF after they reach age 65. There are however one group of people with pensions and free medical care - our ministers and top civil servants. These people are also the ones who earn so much money they don't really need these schemes.

Singaporeans are always leery about such schemes implemented in Malaysia. Quality of care, for example, is an issue. However, for the many seniors whose ailments are common like high blood pressure, gout, arthritis, the access to free medication will relieve their financial burden. The PAP govt still makes the sick pay GST. They also collect GST on the amount you pay for medical insurance[Link]. The Singapore govt expenditure on health care is the lowest among developed countries as a percentage of GDP. This is not achieved by being cost-effective or efficient but by passing the rising cost of medical care to the sick and their family members. Not having a universal health care system in which everyone is covered and can go to hospital for treatment without family members having sleepless nights worrying about medical bills amplifies the effects of income inequality in a society with the largest income gap among developed countries.

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Free outpatient treatment for senior citizens at govt hospitals and clinics[Link]

By LIM WEY WEN wwen@thestar.com.my


Effective yesterday, the Government abolished the token RM1 payment senior citizens needed to pay each time they sought such treatment.

The Health Ministry announced in its latest circular that patients aged 60 and above would be exempted from making any payment for outpatient treatment at government hospitals and clinics.
This means that these patients will enjoy medical consultation, check-ups and medication at no charge at all.

The circular, issued by ministry's finance division secretary Wong Foong Lai, stated that the exemption was in appreciation of the contributions made by senior citizens.
Senior citizens would only have to pay a nominal fee if they required specialist care, treatment or hospitalisation.

Civil service retirees under the Employees Provident Fund pension scheme already enjoy free medical facilities at government medical establishments.
Health director-general Datuk Seri Dr Hasan Abdul Rahman said yesterday many senior citizens had chronic diseases that required regular hospital visits.

“If a senior citizen needs to see his doctor once a month or fortnightly, he could still make some savings. We must also bear in mind that X-rays, medication and several tests are already provided free for them,'' he told The Star.

Asked whether the ministry was considering a blanket waiver of hospital fees for the elderly, Dr Hasan said those who could not afford the hospital fees were already eligible for free medical care.
He said the latest exemption could cost the ministry an estimated RM2mil in revenue annually.
“Government hospitals and clinics receive an average of 40 million visits from patients every year and about 5% of these comprise senior citizens,'' he added.

Fomca president Datuk N. Marimuthu welcomed the Government's latest initiative.
Society of Active Generation of Elders (Sage) president Chin Sek Ham, 71, said the body had called for the RM1 exemption a long time ago.

According to the latest census report (2010), 1.5 million Malaysians (5.1% of the population) are over the age of 65.

68 comments:

Anonymous said...

Another Good post Lucky!

I am Chinese educated, not good in writing English.

Anonymous said...

If according to our deaf frogs logic, having this kind of free health care and welfare would eventually lead Malaysia into their own euro crisis in near future. :(

Veritas said...

Even Thailand's primary healthcare is free, thanks to Thaksin who are widely loath by the elites especially the Thai medical cartel.

In Mauritius, even heart surgery is free.

In fact, basic health care is free for many very poor countries.

None of these countries are bankrupt for free healthcare.

PAP in the first place, has never attempt to make healthcare affordable for Singaporeans. Its health care policies is skewed towards maximizing income for medical cartel.

We have the lowest medical school intake ratio in the whole world, so that doctors can appear dignified.

We have the lowest hospital bed density in the whole developed world because PAP's policy of rent seek via creating scarcity.

The only solution out of these selfish elites are to have Malaysia building couple of dozens hospitals in JB. And they are already doing that. PAP government is a good example whereby the special interest group held the government in captive, and implements policies which create great pains to people.

Anonymous said...

Even when you co pay, waiting time is long. Guess what will happen when u lower prices or even make primary healthcare free?

Will there be longer queue or shorter queue?

Anonymous said...

Free medical care for the elderly will not happen until the Party Against People loses another GRC.

Come on people.
Let's make it two GRCs for the Opposition parties in GE 2016.

Then you will see who the real Singapore quitters are.
Those Aljunied GRC politicians & paper generals.
Quitting after just one loss.
Do you think such leaders can stand up for Singapore?

Don't you think our Opposition leaders display more heart & courage & desire to stand up for Singapore?

Alan Wan said...

See the difference between a supposedly more corrupt/inefficient Govt Vs & a supposedly incorruptible efficient but greedy Govt ?

Across the Causeway, they having been paying better EPF dividends for their EPF savings (at least they don't boast of annual 18% returns but payout only 2.5% dividends) & provide free medical consultation including x-rays, other tests for those above 60.

Over here, they cleverly pocket the extra investment dividends from our CPF investments, split the medical consultation/treatment into different visits & charge as much fees for each consultation.

On top of that, they even pay themselves the highest political salaries in the world and say it is to prevent corruption. As if without these such sky-high salaries, LKY & his comrades come from a corrupted species.

Anonymous said...

good reasoning. if clinics are free, the queue will start to form overnight. everyone will be sick and need to see the doctor for free.

Malaysia is quite smart though. Only free for senior citizens. If we make it free for all, even 3 year old will also want to queue. it is a singaporean past time, queuing for anything that is free.

Anonymous said...

"Even when you co pay, waiting time is long."

This is because the supply of doctors and polyclinics have been below what is necessary to support our population for a very long time.

Population and immigration increased.
Party Against People got build any more polyclinics or not?
Why not?
Because our money is "better" invested with American, European and Pakistani banks.
Our Singapore children are not so deserving of such investments.

GE 2016.
Vote wisely.
Your children's future depends on it.
Your parents' health & life depends on it.

Anonymous said...

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Even when you co pay, waiting time is long
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Very simple solution. Churn out as many doctors as we have did to engineers, the queue will disappear overnight.

Anonymous said...

When PAP can still win at least 60% votes at every election for 46 years,

Why should PAP give free outpatient care for seniors?

Why cannot have pensions and free medical care for ministers and top civil servants?

Why cannot our polyclinics be more expensive than many private clinics in Malaysia and long waiting time?

Why cannot pass the rising cost of medical care to the sick and their family members?

60% say can, so who are you or me to say cannot?

Anonymous said...

@ ANON 10:07

If you don't know the answers to such questions, then you really have;

a)shit for brains
b)no values other than money

which describes the Party Against People very well.

Anonymous said...

Very simple solution. Churn out as many doctors as we have did to engineers, the queue will disappear overnight.
Anon 4/1/12 09:19

You think engineer and doctor profession and training the same is it?

Any ITE or Diploma holder technician can be called engineer after working for some time and get promoted.

Can a hospital attendant or nurse be promoted to doctor in this way?

And because the university produce more engineers than doctors, it is easier to be accepted as engineering than as medical students.

Even younger, cheaper, faster, foreign talent doctors must first start as doctors in their own countries.

Anonymous said...

Yes, our ministers tell us to make do with crappy CPF while they enjoy taxpayers' funded pensions that start paying $179,000/ year from age 55 till death. Ministers also get high paying "retirement" positions at stat boards and GLCs after they step down from politics

Anonymous said...

"You think engineer and doctor profession and training the same is it?"

As I said, Party Against People have shit for brains.

The training period for doctors is long & difficult.
Same for engineers. Just ask SMRT.

Party Against People only know how to bring in more immigrants.
Don't know how to plan long term 20 years ago to train more engineers and doctors.

Party Against People:
a)Shit for brains.
b)Money to waste on foreign bank shares.
c)No money for Singaporeans.
d)No strategic planning

Be pro-Singapore.
Protect your children.
Protect your parents.
Vote Opposition.
For a better future.

Anonymous said...

LKY's pap changed our almost free hospitalisation scheme which we inherited from the British, to one where Singaporeans pay thru their noses. This was done under the pretext of restructuring when Goh Chok Tong was the Health Minister. The man heading the restructuring was non other than Khaw Boon Wan. This is one reason why the Government is so rich and the people poor. They have shifted the burden onto the shoulders of Singaporeans. They have shirk their responsibilities as a government. The amount Singaporeans spend on tuition and supplementary education is another shifting of burdens.

Veritas said...

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You think engineer and doctor profession and training the same is it?

Any ITE or Diploma holder technician can be called engineer after working for some time and get promoted.

Can a hospital attendant or nurse be promoted to doctor in this way?

And because the university produce more engineers than doctors, it is easier to be accepted as engineering than as medical students.
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Are you a doctor? Doctors like to perpetuate myths about their occupation being extremely difficult to train, exclusively reserve for the top talent.

This are all doctors' lie. Cuba has the 2nd highest doctor density in the world, thanks to Che Guevera in smashing doctor cartel. And Cuba has better infant mortality, than USA--despite embargo that cause a shortage of hardware and medicine.

Cuba even export doctors to Venezuela supporting Hugo Chavez, and the program is hailed as a huge success by WHO. google Mission Barrio Adentro.

Why Cuba can produce so many good doctors while NUS take 100++ into Med faculties a year?

In Singapore, doctors are murderer. They watch you suffer as they create scarcity, so that they can extract rent on the most helpless poor people.

Anonymous said...

@ ANON: 4/1/12 10:07
"Why should PAP give free outpatient care for seniors?"

ANON 10:07 posting should be posted on all socio-political websites.

It's a great example of the anti-people value system that all members of the Party Against People have.

GE 2016.
Vote wisely.
Protect yourself, your children and your parents.
Against anti-people policies.

Amused said...

"The Singapore govt expenditure on health care is the lowest among developed countries as a percentage of GDP."

Someone should really question the out-sized expenditure on defense today. The time and threats have changed since independence. Does Singapore still need to spend more dollars on defense than its neighbors, Mr Million Dollar Ministers?

Anonymous said...

There are many things we can learn from Malaysians. They earn less, but their money goes further. They are less stressed and laid back. They have a good quality of life, as cars and houses are cheapy cheap. So they get to enjoy higher quality of life as their buck goes further. Their government is also more engaged and ensure that basic necessities are not taxed and are not subject to inflationary price hikes, many things in Malaysia is subsidized, this is the right way to go.

But in Singapore, it is everyman for himself, as for the state, they just take, take and take. Now I hear LHL is talking abt social capital. But when did PAP ever invest in the whole idea of social capital?

Their account with me stands at zero.

Anonymous said...

In November 2011, my daughter was showing asthmatic symptons when I brought her to the Polyclinic at 3.20pm. Registration was closed and I was told all queue numbers had been taken up as soon as the quota is reached. It was only 3.20 and all numbers snapped up!! we left the clinic but sat outside because it was pouring heavily. My daughter started wheezing and hyperventilating. I went back inside and told the people my daughter was having an asthmatic attack and could we do a lung ascultation (test). We were then given an emergency number to do the test and for treatment. In the event they did not treat, I suppose they could have got into deep shit if something did happen to my daughter. On that day 3 doctors attended to my daughter who was wheezing badly.

What I am getting at is the polyclinics cant handle the increase in population and we are supposed to go to the private clinics when daily quota is up.

Anonymous said...

Right so making healthcare cheaper will just make the problems worst. Before lowering healthcare costs, we need to build in excess capacity to anticipate increase in utilization.

Anonymous said...

i pity you singaporean
malaysia is not perfect, but for outpatient our gov hospital it is really a bless to most of us
my mother, a senior citizen use the gov clinic for all her medical treatment, she have high blood pressure, some complication on her eyes and dental, all the while only rm1 per visit! now even better
my sister, 4 years back gave birth to a healthy baby boy, no complication birth, one night stay, common room with 10 beds ward paid only rm40
am mostly healthy, went to gov clinic 10 years back when am 29 years old and pay only rm1, am not poor, i am a graduate professional
last year, feb 2011, my bro in-law (he is american) getting married with my sister @ melaka. he sprained his ankle a day before the wedding, went to our ER gov hospital and he worried if the hospital bill can be claimed later in the US but he dont have to, the cost is only rm50. the doctor on call that night even told him, if he already married my sister, the bill will be only rm25
ok cheers!

Anonymous said...

"But in Singapore, it is everyman for himself, as for the state, they just take, take and take."
Anon 4/1/12 13:28

I think the state also help and give to those who need it lah, and not as bad as you put it.

If not, how could PAP got 60% votes? Cannot be all the 60% are rich what, right or not?

Of course there are some who are still not happy and satisfied with what was given lah, that's why there was 40%.

Anonymous said...

@ ANON: 4/1/12 14:20

Bullshit!
Bullshit!
Bullshit!

Vote Opposition in GE 2016.
The lives of your elderly parents may depend on it!

Anonymous said...

They have no qualms about passing 100% of the expenditure to Singaporeans but they are so reluctant to cut their own salary by a significant amount. The salary commission is pathetic - another stooge of the pap.

Anonymous said...

With the salary cut for the President, PM and ministers, PAP may win back some votes and so will get more than 60% votes and 93% seats in GE 2016.

So logically speaking, things can only get better for PAP in the eyes of voters.

Anonymous said...

"Someone should really question the out-sized expenditure on defense today. The time and threats have changed since independence. Does Singapore still need to spend more dollars on defense than its neighbors, Mr Million Dollar Ministers?"

Agree with you.

Our leaders concept is wrong.

The best way to disturb Singapore is to cut off the water and food supply and not attack directly.

Anonymous said...

Transportation by helicopter to Hospitals in Sabah and Sarawak are free on call.

Calling ambulance in KL are also very cheap, the Red Crescent will accept anything you can afford.In Singapore..u know la...$$$$$

Transportation for the disabeld is heavily subsidized at RM3 regardless of distance in Klang Valley by RapidKL(called RapidKL Mobiliti) and we hear fellow sick elderly Singaporeans fork tens of $ to get a taxi to the hospital.

Fresh Malaysian doctors are also forced to serve the government for 2 years upon graduating and Malaysia can produce 4000 graduate doctors annually as the government seeks to improve the patient:doctor ratio.Government hospitals are also being upgraded on par with private sector hospitals.Government hospitals remain an exclusively Malaysian institution while medical tourism is spearheaded by the private sector.Singapore's decision to bundle the government health service into medical tourism was a big mistake.

This world is not about being no.1, but taking care of the basics first..poor Malaysians get access to subsidized public housing(RM35000 for 800 sq feet house) and subsidized necessities...factory operators in Malaysia can own cars and spend nice holidays at Tioman,Penang and their countryside eventho they cannot afford going overseas...many Singaporeans meanwhile cannot afford taking SIA ironically...basic things that PAPist fail to get a grasp on.

Anonymous said...

PAP has so many cronies in every sector and industry that to give anything away for 'free' would result in marginalizing the profits of their fellow fat cats.

Anonymous said...

1st world money face.
3rd world value system.

GE 2016.
Let's get some real politicians who truly represent Singaporeans.
Instead of money faced millionaires with the values & morals of a cockroach.

Anonymous said...

@ ANON: 4/1/12 16:41
"So logically speaking, things can only get better for PAP in the eyes of voters."

We agree. So please fcuk off.

Anonymous said...

The salary review proposal again ties PAP to the richest. Their value system is always to incentivize themselves to make the rich richer. Don't dream of anything free.

Anonymous said...

"If not, how could PAP got 60% votes? Cannot be all the 60% are rich what, right or not?"

Just because you have been 100% alive for the last 50 years, can you guarantee that you will be alive 100% for the next 50 years. You may be very sick but you may be alive today but you may be gone the next.

60% could be due to a lot of reasons, some are due genuine support, some are due to fear and some are due to lack of trust to something not tested (opposition), etc.

Anonymous said...

"The salary review proposal again ties PAP to the richest."
Anon 4/1/12 21:35

This happened again because 60% voted PAP in the first place.

And except for a few, it is likely that most of the 60% are not even the richest.

Anonymous said...

It is only human to care for the health of another human beings without thinking how he can afford it. My malaysian friend said the poor were told to pay only a small token sum to their govt clinic for as low as a dollar. This is what I called really care for their citizens. A country will not go bankcrupt because of caring for their own people but because of bad investments strategy caused by our our GIC and temasek.

Anonymous said...

Lucky Tan,

I think most of the 60% who voted PAP have not read or heard of your good blog. Some because their English no good or can't read English. Or some don't surf Net for such things. Or don't have time to even read anything.

Maybe you should think of a way to reach them with your excellent writings so that great things will happen in GE 2016.

It's a pity for good blogs to become NATO. (No action talk only)

Anonymous said...

Malaysia can ill afford it. Very soon, Malaysia will become Greece of asia and LHL will have no choice but to bail MY out.

Anonymous said...

U fellows really think the Malaysian BN gahment cares for the people? It's election gimmick! I wont be suprised either if the medicine are also of inferior grade.

Nothing is free in this world. I pity the next generation of malaysians who have to pay the debt of their forefathers. Look at the national debt to GDP. It is definately not sustainable.

Who says the poor are not taken care of in Singapore? We have medifund, a pool of fund for the poor and helpless.

Luckily, majority of singaporeans like me have juche (self reliant) mindset or else we would be like Greece.

Anonymous said...

The recent pay cuts is bullcrap.
Why is the PM of a tiny island still paid the highest in the world?

I don't need my PM to be a millionaire.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Tan,

My mom is a malaysian and we used to bring her to a hospital in SIngapore for her depression.

The price in Singapore was $205 for her depression tablets.

I brought her to Tun Aminah Hospital in JB and since she is a malaysian with a SINgapore PR being the wife of my singaporean dad;

Guess how much she pays for specialist treatment in Malaysia as a malaysian?

The tablets she got from singapore adam road hospital would last for a month. In malaysia, the same tablets were given for a 3 month supply.

And she pays: $2.20 Singapore dollars.

Same medicine. Different prices.

And singaporeans continue to be unawakened.

Anonymous said...

I concur with Veritas.

Anonymous said...

"新加坡的3M制度基本上就是强制人民有保健储蓄,也就是从人民身上拿钱,等于是使用者付费的观念,那政府照顾人民的责任在哪里?" - 杨志良,台湾卫生署长, 经济学人亚洲论坛的闭门会议, 2010-03-30

Veritas said...

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Nothing is free in this world. I pity the next generation of malaysians who have to pay the debt of their forefathers. Look at the national debt to GDP. It is definately not sustainable.

Who says the poor are not taken care of in Singapore? We have medifund, a pool of fund for the poor and helpless.
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If all papies supporters and leaders are idiot like you, Singapore is really committing suicide.

The debt is SG is among the highest in the world, @105% GDP, Malaysia stands at 53% debt/GDP.

It is PAP that is bankrupting Singapore.

The problem with Malaysia is the 38% of government budget is funded by petronas, that is going to run out. At least Malaysian still enjoy good health for many years.

And I think BN will find a solution after that.

In Singapore, the financial terrorist PAP having bankrupt us without giving 1 cent of social service. Today, we are already paying the price of excess of PAP.

They are confiscating CPF right under our nose through inflation, negative interest rate, refusal to let us withdraw...etc

Anonymous said...

The Party Against People is bankrupt of ideas, ideals and values. And they think money is an adequate substitute.

If George Yeo and his GRC team were motivated by ideas, ideals and values, would they have retired from politics after just one defeat?

What are examples of leaders driven by ideas, ideals & values?

a)George Washington & The American Revolution
b)China's Mao Zedong's Long March

Did they give up after just one defeat? No.
Were they paid million dollar salaries? No.

Do politicians from the Opposition parties give up after one defeat? No.

Anonymous said...

It is really silly to assume that malaysian money will run put after oil and gas runs out..are we sure oil and gas will run out in Malaysia? They have huge sea territory that remain unexplored.

Please petronas is one of the sevem sisters which are emerging oil and gas companies with an army of professionals who work hard to expand the company.petronas have multitude of businesses in property and education that will ensure its survival for manh years to come.

I think most of us cannot stomach that malaysia is way ahead in many ways, they have simpler lives and happier and we always put them down because they are what ...mostly malay..please note even the malaysian chinese have better living standards than simgaporean chinese..most even value malaysian citizenship than singaporean !!

I ink all this public debt is bull crap..malaysia is sittimg on large cash surplus in its financial sector and is a creditor nation which is rare among developing countries....you can read on a blog called 'economics malaysia http://econsmalaysia.blogspot.com/' and learn why malaysia will last longere than we think.

Anonymous said...

Even if we suddenly discover a giant oil field in Kusu Island.
So what?
Nothing will change.

Party Against People will just give the oil money to Temasek to "invest" in useless American, European and Pakistani banks.

Singaporean people will still continue to suffer.

The biggest obstacle in Singapore right now is the Party Against People. They are bankrupt of ideas, ideals and values.

It's time to vote them out.
One GRC at a time.

Anonymous said...

Veritas,

Could you provide the link for Singapore's debt as % of GDP that you wrote above?

Many thanks.

Veritas said...

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Could you provide the link for Singapore's debt as % of GDP that you wrote above?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_public_debt

Veritas said...

Re
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Could you provide the link for Singapore's debt as % of GDP that you wrote above?
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Sorry, the URL cannot be properly display. Just google

public debt

Anonymous said...

"The debt is SG is among the highest in the world, @105% GDP,...."
Veritas 5/1/12 17:43

Does the debt include those the Govt borrowed from CPF funds?

If so, it is OK what, the debt is still in Singapore, not from external borrowing unlike Greece.

CPF is not lost lah, just that with CPF Life annuity, it may take longer to get back our CPF money.

But if we live long long, then worth it lah, right or not?

Anonymous said...

//I think the state also help and give to those who need it lah, and not as bad as you put it.

If not, how could PAP got 60% votes? Cannot be all the 60% are rich what, right or not?
Anon. 4/1/12 14:20//

It is because PAP has absolute control of almost everything.

Anonymous said...

The problems we face in Singapore came about because we gave blind trust to the government and complete power. This is our error. That's why there is so much unhappiness in Singapore, to the point, we are the most unhappiest society in Asia according to the Reader's Digest.

Our youth opt to migrate whenever the chance arises.

Anonymous said...

Here's the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_debt

I reckon Veritas was pointing to the hard fact that each Singaporean owes the PAP US$65 144 since the government has a debt of US$309 billion.

Against this backdrop, it may help the concerned citizens to be aware why Mah Bow Tan commercialised public housing in Singapore.

They were trying to recoup all the losses from Temasek Holdings through Singaporean's pockets. This is also the case why there is no universal healthcare or minimum wage in Singapore. The government could not also pay itself higher stash of million dollars as it's been in debt. The government has shifted all the risks of privatizations and deregualtions to the Singaporeans who is not prepared to accept them.

The only difference about this debt is that it is not sovereign debt. It would interest the readers to find out how much credit card debt Singaporeans owe the banks as a whole. It's in the range of a few billion dollars.

The rising cost of living has been pushed down to the Singaporeans so that the government can recoup its debt and losses in GIC Inc..

This is why your CPF has been locked out. There is no money there. It's all in digital form. In time, the minimum sum will be further raised as is the withdrawal age too.

Your are paying for the million-dollar ministers pension. Not your own.

Stay awake. Stay informed.

Cheers!

Anonymous said...

Here's the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_debt

I reckon Veritas was pointing to the hard fact that each Singaporean owes the PAP US$65 144 since the government has a debt of US$309 billion.

Against this backdrop, it may help the concerned citizens to be aware why Mah Bow Tan commercialised public housing in Singapore.

They were trying to recoup all the losses from Temasek Holdings through Singaporean's pockets. This is also the case why there is no universal healthcare or minimum wage in Singapore. The government could not also pay itself higher stash of million dollars as it's been in debt. The government has shifted all the risks of privatizations and deregualtions to the Singaporeans who is not prepared to accept them.

The only difference about this debt is that it is not sovereign debt. It would interest the readers to find out how much credit card debt Singaporeans owe the banks as a whole. It's in the range of a few billion dollars.

The rising cost of living has been pushed down to the Singaporeans so that the government can recoup its debt and losses in GIC Inc..

This is why your CPF has been locked out. There is no money there. It's all in digital form. In time, the minimum sum will be further raised as is the withdrawal age too.

Your are paying for the million-dollar ministers pension. Not your own.

Stay awake. Stay informed.

Cheers!

Anonymous said...

And against all this mayhem, the government through its mass media sold the value of self-reponsibility and self-reliance to the public who believes in this powerful message.

Hence no one cares for the old ah ma selling tissue papers at the mrt stations. This is a double-edged value. In fact, it is a "cost effective" value.

Anonymous said...

Come on, Singapore debt to GDP is CPF money owned to Singaporeans which is Internal Debt. Our assets are already more than our debt. We have at least a few trillion in assets.

So what the big fuss?

Anonymous said...

Why always compare Singapore to Malaysia. Its not apple-to-apple comparison. The population profile, resources etc are all different. I think you should compare Sin to HK.

And how many casino does HK have???

Singapore's Millioinaire-Highly Talented-Leaders ideas on how to stay competive is by building casinos. Hahaha.. Then what's next? More casinos? Then what? Tanam ganja? Then? Open whore house?

(BTW, they have already decided not to return the illegal gains from the Indonesian Chinese that park their money in Singapore... rob the neighbour - Tick as done)

The moment those High Talent Millionare Leaders agreed on casino, is the moment you should look to emigrate to Canada or Australia or maybe Malaysia...

You all kena big time la on this one.

IM6

Veritas said...

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Singapore debt to GDP is CPF money owned to Singaporeans which is Internal Debt.
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Internal debt means that although PAP is in greater trouble than PIIGS, it has no risk of debt crisis.

Because it can default whenever she wants by money printing.

And, where is our monies now. Is the value our CPF monies preserve?

That is the problem.

From the start, CPF is designed to default its citizen, else PAP can allow us to force save in physical bullion or even denominate CPF in barrels of oil.

We are force to save in fiat, so that PAP can print out of thin air.

And now, where the monies has gone? It has been lost by GIC and Temasek through all these adventures.

We are already worse than Greece, but difference is, we have hardworking citizen to bail the government out.

Anonymous said...

Singapore will not be a failed state that will go bakrupt..

It is a laisseez faire island ironically regulated heavily by the government to ensure that only the rich will prosper.

An island will bankers and genetic scientists wil not be bound by petty morality.

Where the mighty will not be constrained by the small and poor.

We complain because singapore is not for us.
This is Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore folks!!!

Anonymous said...

But their outpatient bills got no discounts and so called rebates. You go to our clinics you see big discounts and rebates... Maybe this type of smart accounting, book keeping and hype keep our people satisfied they have got good bargains and real discounts every time. like you go to lucky plaza or sim lim square same thing heehee

Anonymous said...

Politics and social change in Singapore since the 90s:

Deregulation and privatisation employed by the PAP generated greater risks while the government did not make necessary adjustments in the social safety net to deal with the possible consequences. Deregulation was articulated as a job-generating measure, reducing employer obligations (and government's as well) and thus making them more inclined to offer jobs. The PAP government saw it as a risk worth taking (gambling on Singaporeans' security) in order to reinvigorate the economy (this after years of Goh's talk of regionalisation, the life sciences and biomedical industries - all which never materialise - at the end of it all, 2 gambling casinos were built). With productivity lagging, and unemployment rising along with the costs of social services for the unemployed and indigent, deregulation and privatisation (as opposed to nationalisation) offered the possibility of some improvement. Deregulation and privatisation was oversold as a remedy for the Singapore economy with the PAP government quick fix solution of opening the floodgates to foreign immigration to Singapore.

There were more jobs created (mostly going to foreigners), but often on unattrative terms with little to no security at all.

The PAP government tend promoted self-reliance, self-responsibility as a way of SHIFTING responsibility for and costs of singaporean workers' welfare from firms and government (no pension for rank and file civil servants, etc.) social programs to individuals and their families, putting the most vulnerable at risk.

Anonymous said...

My daughter, now 8, was delivered (naturally) in JB GH for RM160.

My boy, now 5, with some complication during delivery, so emergency caesarian, we paid only RM 300.

Both kids went through all vaccinaton (if I remember correctly, 6 jabs each) all free.

I was (and still) shocked.

Anonymous said...

thank goodness ignorant people who use wikipedia and have no knowleadge on economic studies and basic gaap analysis like you guys are a minority, if not singapore is gonna be a fail states with you guys around -_-"

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Each has its own opinion so let us just respect each others opinion.

Anonymous said...

What a huge bunch of losers we have here, whining about the government and its policies often with little or no logic.

I disagree with many things the PAP government does, but governing a country (however small) is no easy feat.

Since everyone here seems to be so extremely smart and perceptive of the many various ills in Singaporean society and governance today, why don't y'all spend less time talking trash on the internet, and put your effort into writing a political manifesto that you think can solve all of our problems - housing, health, defence, finance, manpower, infrastructure.

If you can come up with something that is better than the PAP's current manifesto, then publish your proposals and people will read for themselves and will judge. then you will generate more political support than just repeating mindlessly 'GE2016. Vote Opposition'.

Most of the opposition parties' manifestos are extremely shortsighted and fail to take into consideration many important factors. So y'all may say that 60% of the population are stupid and afraid of oppression and blind but I'd like to think that they actually read what the PAP and the opposition want to achieve instead of just voting for either one blindly.

Or I have an even better solution for the dissatisfied - unhappy here, move to Malaysia la! Cheap healthcare, housing, ministers that get paid 'normally' - If Singapore is really so bad, why don't you just migrate. Won't take much money to move to Malaysia right.

LOL. lead country so easy arh.

Anonymous said...

It's not practical for a Singaporean to move to Malaysia. You will not get the subsidised rate of housing, healthcare, etc that a Malaysian gets.

Perhaps, the 60% could be those who are the fore-fathers of Singapore who remembered the "good things" that PAP does in the past; however, in the next election, the younger population coming on board to vote may not connect to. Secondly, the 60% may perhaps be from voters working in the ministries, stat boards and GLCs which is a huge population group - though voting is a fair system, but some might fear ...

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