Monday, April 02, 2012

The legal plight of 60 immoral men....

UPDATE: The hansard for the parliamentary debate on section 376B is found here : [Link]. Most MPs support the amendments to the penal code as the changes will protect minors. I think at that time they may not have considered the situation in which a greedy, immoral and deceptive 17 yr old who looks older than her actual age willingly offers services to unsuspecting men who have no intention of breaking the law. I look for similar cases around the world and found a few. French football stars engaged  a 17 yr old who claimed she was 19[Link] - the woman involved exploited her notoriety to become a model and said the men had treated her with respect and should "be left alone".  Once the prosecutors found that the footballers involved did not know the girl was underage, they called for the charges to be dropped[Link]. If law enforcement prosecute people who have no intention of committing a crime, and  apply the law in a way that departs from the original intent of the law, they will end up not protecting the people it is suppose to protect. The  harsh punishment that goes way beyond what the 60 men deserve for their  moral transgression will destroy many lives without generating any good for our society.

"The men include a senior banker, a company director, a senior vice-president of
a private company, lawyers, a senior police officer,  a primary school principal who is married with a child as well as a scholarship recipient."
- The New Paper Report[Link]

According to The New Paper, 60 men may be charge in court soon for engaging the services of an underage girl. The sleazy details which I won't be covering in my posting can be found the Saturday and Sunday edition of The New Paper. These men engaged the services of a girl who was advertised as above legal age but turned out to be underage. According to reports, these men had no intention, no idea and no clue that they had broken the law until the police called them up. In Singapore, engaging such services is not illegal but it is illegal to solicit (advertised) and live off the immoral earnings (pimp). However, the law was revised in 2008 to make the procuring services of those under 18 illegal (Section 376B). The funny thing is underage sex that involve no money is set at 16 yrs of age( 14 yrs under Section 376A and 16 yrs old under Women's Charter ).

Some of you may take a moralistic stand and say these men deserve it as they have been acted immorally. Many had to resign from their jobs, you can take it that those with families may be facing enormous strain and now they face charges that may lead to time in jail. When I read that "lawyers" will also be charged, the thought on my mind was what kind of law are dealing with when lawyers can end up breaking it when they had no intention of doing so.  The Section 376B added in 2008[Link] to prevent human trafficking and exploitation of minors. This law is supposed to protect minors from being forced into the trade and trafficked across borders. So we can judge the effectiveness of this law by looking at the outcome that resulted from the enforcement of this law.

In Jan 2012, a former SLA exec was jailed was jailed 9 months for engaging an underage Vietnamese girl[Link]. The Vietnamese girl was not  trafficked into Singapore and exploited by pimps and syndicates. According to media reports, she hatched the whole idea of coming to Singapore to make easy money herself - you can see her as an young but immoral entrepreneur. She bought an air ticket, flew to Singapore and sold her services to Singapore men.  She lied to the men that she is of legal age.

Based on media reports, the 60 men was involved with a local girl who apparently knew what she was doing and lied about her age(or the pimp lied) to get clients. Clients who never intended to break the law now face jail sentences.

 The rationale for 376B is to protect young women from traffickers and being exploited. However, in many of the cases prosecuted under 376B, the young women are not trafficked - they are more often than not materialistic young women who intentionally sell their services for money.

In this situation the police can  exercise discretion whether to press charges and demolish the lives of these 60 men - who other than having a lust for women may be responsible people in all other respect. The problem is they had decided to go ahead with a number of earlier cases and dropping the charge against these 60 men will be seen as a display for double standards and that will undermine their reputation. There will be an ugly and unnecessary fallout of they go ahead as there are families and children involved here.

Law enforcement is not just a technical and mechanical process because laws are never perfectly written. There has to be wisdom and compassion in the enforcement of our laws to get good outcomes - the spirit of the law should not be forgotten in its enforcement. 60 men some of whom with families who never intended to break the law now face jail sentences and a media circus that may ultimately destroy their lives and that of their families.

51 comments:

Anonymous said...

Unfortunatey, the 6 men who has sex with a Vietnamese prostitute are splashed all over the papers. So if these 60 men were given special treatment just because they were "lawyers" and "top civil servants" then there is clearly double standards. In fact, I think these 60 men are worse than the 6 who visited the Vietnamese prostitute. It's easy for foreigners to lie their age but for Singaporean, can always see IC first, esp from what we know the SG girl is VERY YOUNG, may not even be a teenager.

Anonymous said...

Immoral and illegal. They deserve the just desserts.everybody had a family. If these 60 men are shielded to protect their families, the same leeway should be accorded to other crimes!

Can do then but don't have balls now? Pathetic!

Anonymous said...

Immoral and illegal. They deserve the just desserts.everybody had a family. If these 60 men are shielded to protect their families, the same leeway should be accorded to other crimes!

Can do then but don't have balls now? Pathetic!

Anonymous said...

Those men obviously did not go into this predicament blindfolded. They are not uneducated blue collar workers, mind you. They took a chance, had some fun, and are going to pay a much heavier price. Have they spare a thought for their families?

Anonymous said...

So, even if someone who was 16 told you she was 18 and produced a fake ID. is one still barred by a matter of law from using that as a defense? If so,
that is simply and completely absurd and frankly, stupid. Even if these so called 'sex offenders' do card the girls prior to the sex services, they are still liable to statutory rape, if caught. Then where is the justice? Even criminals are entitled to fair trial and rights.

Anonymous said...

Oh..its so comforting to see so many self righteous people here... such moral high ground... I wonder if they have mirrors in their homes?
my response to the kinds soul who said:
"Immoral and illegal. They deserve the just desserts.everybody had a family. If these 60 men are shielded to protect their families, the same leeway should be accorded to other crimes!"
If I hear that person correctly then I am sure he/she will agree that we should publish the names of all offenders regardless of the "crime" they have committed... then justice and fairness will prevail...right? Right! it is morally and legally correct too! brain dead or what?

Anonymous said...

I'm not a sex-offender supporter, but I think this is valid question to ask under the premise of the current law.

Quite often some of these men are of good nature, and have developed successful lives. With one swift drop of the gavel, however, everything these men have worked for is gone forever. All because of paid sex services - which in Singapore's laws is legal.

The question to be asked is who is the predator: the man that has sexual relations with a teen who lies about her age, or the teen who ruin a mans life by lying about her age?

Now, these PEOPLE, most of whom were once employed, productive, tax paying citizens, have been reduced to a life of unemployment or inferior working positions and conditions, along those convicted of varying degrees of murder, robbery, assault & battery, forgery, arson, fraud, and other crimes. Why is that?

Would it be safer to work with someone convicted of molestation of school children or an honest man who had sex with someone that lied about their age?

Anonymous said...

"There has to be wisdom and compassion in the enforcement of our laws to get good outcomes - the spirit of the law should not be forgotten in its enforcement."
Lucky Tan

The problem is how to be consistent in the spirit of the law.

I ask you, can a human being be consistent to be moralistic all the time, let alone different human beings?

Every engineer(or non engineer) will tell you only machines can be consistent in their output all the time, unless they are faulty.

Anonymous said...

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/02/10/businessman-jailed-sex-with-underage-prostitute.html

Good luck. There is no defense to these 60men. It is the same treatment in most countries, including USA.

Newspaper said there is one military guy...hmm, wonder if it will be someone we recently know quit recently...

Anonymous said...

Could some lawyer draft out a statutory declaration in the form of a mobile phone apps.

Just before sex, ask the girl to make statutory declaration on the phone about her age.

Another legal point.
Can the 60 men sue the pimp and underage girl for false advertisement using the civil courts?

Anonymous said...

//Another legal point.
Can the 60 men sue the pimp and underage girl for false advertisement using the civil courts?//

what good is going to come up from there? you expect monetary compensation? lol likely not going to get any. nothing will repair the reputation of the 60men. the irony is - the underaged girl was widely advertised but their names will be withheld but the 60men will be widely publicized even tho not what they want.

question is - are the police purposefully entrapping these people? why aren't they spending their resources to entrap the druglords and cartel instead..?

Anonymous said...

How many follow soccer? Fabrice Muamba had a heart attack on the field. One young man, (university student) in UK made comments on twitter about the incident which were deemed racist and was jailed 56 days.

Yes, the law can be very hard and heartless in many ways. For the school principal and many professionals in this case, this blotch can destroy their lives and their families. I hope it doesn't and they will pick themselves up but it's going to be very tough. Imagine if you don't even litter a piece of paper before and suddenly you are in jail. It can destroy psychologically. Their families should stand by them but society is very harsh.

Many prayed for Muamba. I think we should pray for these men too.

Anonymous said...

Well what happens when some underaged gals/boys who were allowed into the pubs and nightclubs...then they get picked up or commit all sorts of debauchery, does the law then hold the nightclub or bouncer for failing to do their job?

On one hand, i see the reasons for protecting the young girls, but this is potentially a very potent loopholes for pimps and syndicates to recruit even younger girls because they will never be charged! Is it any wonder why pimps or hookers are getting younger too come to think of it?

Anonymous said...

I actually discussed this case with my wife.

In fact, both of us share the views and sentiment of Lucky.

Perhaps, someone should checked the records of Parliament to determine what was the original objective of the legislation of that particular section of the law.

Is it intended to take the age factor as the only consideration? Other factors will be totally disregarded?

If the prosecution is unable or refuse to exercise discretion; can the courts exercise their discretion?

I remember there were cases where an accused person upon conviction was given only one day jail sentence or a fine of a dollar... Can this be applied here??

Sgcynic said...

"Law enforcement is not just a technical and mechanical process because laws are never perfectly written. There has to be wisdom and compassion in the enforcement of our laws to get good outcomes - the spirit of the law should not be forgotten in its enforcement. "

And this is the reason why we must oppose the mandatory death sentence.

Anonymous said...

This is one of the hazards of living in Singapore. LKY n his pap gangsters have over 50 years been tinkering with the laws that today the Singapore statutes are full of contradictions. There are so many instances of one set of law contradicting another set of law. All these came about because there is not check and balance. This leave lots of leeways and thus power in the hands of the prosecutors like the police and AG. The Singapore Law is a joke. It is tailored made for the expediency of one man - Lee Kuan Yew.

I am an MP said...

The MPs are involved.

They were the ones who voted on the amendments.
They were the ones who should be asked: what was the intent of this law?

The police, judges are merely administrating the laws created by the MPs.

Ask your MP.

Anonymous said...

I can see a lot of half brains here, presumably these are full fledged MCPs. What is this about lying about the age? How difficult it is to insist on seeing the IC. If you are so horny that you can't be bothered if you are breaking the law, or fucking a minor, or have no scruples being a paedophile, then please have the balls to face the music.

This is not a crime of passion. This is premeditated wilful disregard for law. Ok wonder how do these 60 men actually lead, guide or discipline ths younger members of their family. “ah boy, ah kong or ah pa is horny. Din care if the girl is old enough. Just paid to screw!"

If you are so compassionate for these "entrapped" men, ever spare a thought for the young girl who is a victim of her own immaturity that she succumbed to materialism, thanks to the society that is moulding her. These dirty men have had at least 60 years to learn to do the right things, and they still opted for illicit sex. Now they are clamouring for respectability? please! Hypocrisy plus lewdness image first degree!

Anonymous said...

http://www.eaves4women.co.uk/Documents/Recent_Reports/Men%20Who%20Buy%20Sex.pdf

This is a 2009 UK survey report on why men pay for sex. It gives some ideas why they do it, and dispel the myth that only single men engage for such service because of loneliness. Contrary to it, high percentage of married men do it.

I think it also goes to show all kinds of men, students, soldiers, teachers to civil servants to directors, to religious types -- all sorts of people from all walks of lives actually do them. And I am pretty sure that included so called whiter than white politicians. The more you are in power of position, the more you feel important and have access to all sorts of temptations (or maybe not temptations even). So let's not kid or fool ourselves believing that people should all have high perfect morality.

The earlier we wake up to the reality, the better it is for the citizens. Putting all these unrealistic expectations on people will only force more to go into leading secret lives. Not that I am condoning they do it openly , but rather, what you don't want to see/hear , doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Anonymous said...

Whoa! What are we treading into now? That just because a certain percentage of married men have paid for sex, it is no big deal?

Fact one, a minor was screwed by men old enough to be her father and grandfather. For those men who think this is okay, may your daughters share your same view and same predilection as the young girl in this case.

Fact two, a lot of these immoral men appear to command respect because of their social position. Yet they do things which are morally reprehensible. For those who think it is okay, may your spouses share your views and screw behind your back while maintaining a facade of mutual trust with you.

Let us call spade a spade. It is either morally and legally wrong or it is right. If it is the former, face up to it, admit your mistake, seek forgiveness and have the courage to move on. Nobody is perfect but at least acknowledge your weakness. Isn't this what we teach our youngsters? Isn't this what we tell PAP all the time? To try to whitewash the wrongness of it, some more by shifting blame to a young girl one third of your age, is dishonorable and stupid.

Anonymous said...

水至清则无鱼,人至察则无徒!

Anonymous said...

为老不尊,不知廉耻!

theonion said...

Lucky

Amused by the irony of your post here, where at times, you had blithely sing the praise of the NGOs such as AWARE and demanded legislation as such as per the post.
Here the cliche rings true "be careful of what you wish for"

Lucky Tan said...

theonion,

I did not support or oppose this piece of legislation. The intent is probably correct but the enforcement leaves much to be desired.

Ng Eng Hou said...

The law was written with the original intention to protect against exploitation against minors and human trafficking, but in certain cases,such as this one, it is not sure who is more guilty than who. The girl knew what she was doing and still did it and for such girls (who are quite many out there) does the law work on these people or can they be protected or want to be protected ?

As for the men,unfortunately,the society always looks unfairly and with double standards that men are always the bad ones taking advantage of the so-called weaker sex, they will need to struggle hard to over-ride this all the time.

From the whole incident, I feel both sides should be punished. The girl who willing to do this, knowing she shouldn't, ought not to be protected, but should be punished too.

I prefer punishment on both sides, because I see this habit of women using their weaker sex label to exploit legal loopholes for their own gains at the expense of others. Society should no longer think women is the weaker sex, which is no longer true to me!

Anonymous said...

Trying to establish whether the men knew the girl was underage would take up too much time. The lazy approach, or should I say the more time-effective way is to just simply charge all the men who had sex with the underaged girl.

It saves the judge and prosecution a lot of time and money.

Willy Wanker said...

"I prefer punishment on both sides, because I see this habit of women using their weaker sex label to exploit legal loopholes for their own gains at the expense of others. Society should no longer think women is the weaker sex, which is no longer true to me!"

You have my support on this.

Girls mature faster in all aspects: body & mind compared to boys.

To harp on the fact that she is "young" cuts no bone with me.
As for the elder men, what is the punishment for? morality? or a transgression of a law?

This was not rape. It was paid sex. Both parties fully conscious

Men are naturally horny by default
That being a fact, how have marriage helped?

It leaves me to relate an old joke:

Wife: "My husband treats me like a sex object"

Judge: "Is that true?"

Husband: " Yes! Every time I want
sex, she objects!"

But seriously, I would not want to go through what these men are facing now. I have always been a wanker and this serves to validate it.

Anonymous said...

The age cutoff is archaic and does not pay attention to individual differences in maturity that is not aligned with chronological age. There should be an exception clause where the onus is on the defendent to prove that the victim had the intellectual maturity to intentionally solicit and engage in underaged sex.

John John said...

Why is it that the girl involved here goes free and not charged for any crime.

Doesn't it takes 2 hands to clap.

and if she was not advertising for her services in the first place no crime would have taken place.

The law should be fair in all cases.

Anonymous said...

Going by what I am seeing above, consider the following scenario:

You buy a 2nd hand car from a salesman who said it is a good car. You bought the car but it breaks down after 2 days. Would you ask for your money back?

Anonymous said...

The engine no problem. Except, no COE .

Anonymous said...

ok everybody, the girls we are seeing here are being advertised by their pimps...clearly they are controlled by the head pimp and are probably victims themselves with no control...regardless of their ages.

Like previous commentator said, you can try and card the girls upfront but if the pimps (or organized syndicates) have faked them to be above 18 or legal age, what can you do? Probably common sense to ask if she looks like she's too young to belong there, and do the right thing. Walk away.

I would also bet that most men deep down know very well that the girls are not willing parties..but they went ahead with the paid service justifying this the the oldest profession. If there are demand, there will be supply.

Just like if there are casinos here (demand), there will be supply for loansharkings/junkets. It comes with with the territory.

Anonymous said...

i see lucky tan has a lot of male fans who doesn't care if a young girl is taken advantage of by old tikos.

all you out there, i hope one day your daughters or granddaughters will want to make extra money for her studies by bedding old men your age. when that day comes, don't come kpkb here and say that these men shld be castrated for wanting sex with minors hor.

clearly nobody cares a hoot that the girl is underaged. people just want a piece of young flesh AND somemore dare to say it's ok.

go fuck somebody your age lar!

Anonymous said...

i see lucky tan has a lot of male fans who doesn't care if a young girl is taken advantage of by old tikos.

all you out there, i hope one day your daughters or granddaughters will want to make extra money for her studies by bedding old men your age. when that day comes, don't come kpkb here and say that these men shld be castrated for wanting sex with minors hor.

clearly nobody cares a hoot that the girl is underaged. people just want a piece of young flesh AND somemore dare to say it's ok.

go fuck somebody your age lar!

Anonymous said...

Demand and supply. If there is no demand for sex with young things 12years of age still in primary school, there won't be supply. Period. So its either u eradicate the demand, or u eradicate the supply. Its usually more effective controlling the demand side. Once the men know that paedophile behaviour will be punished severely, they will be more careful in the future. I know many here believe the men are innocent and the little lied about her age.But she's so young, surely there is some doubt? When in doubt, don't do it. It's a deterrent thing. Or else every men in the future can go around having sex with pre-teen and insist they didn't know and act blur.

Anonymous said...

I realise nobody come into defence of the 6 men who had sex with Vietnamese prostitutes but for these 60 men with an underaged SG girl, there are so many defense? Or is it because most are white collar workers and successful men that demand greater sympathy and respect by virtue of their wealth? Someone mention what they did is legal. Just wondering, is online soliciting of sex legal? Also,is everyone suggesting that as long as the men can prove they didn't know the girl is a kid, then they are innocent? Then its easy right?

Anonymous said...

Law officers,lawyers,doctors,school masters,bankers,politicians ...and even clergymen can't exercise responsibility and yet these are the ones who uphold our civil institutions?!?

Disagree with lucky. These worldly men cannot deny knowledge of underage sex workers and as such, they can't pin the blame on anyone if caught except on themselves.

Verdict: guilty according to law.

Anonymous said...

Have any of you ever wonder why suddenly all these scandals are coming out , fast and furious?

Just right after the election?

And do you seriously believe these are only just recent cases? It's been ongoing for years now, cloaked behind closed doors, nobody bothered or dared to open the can of worms...until NOW.

Why? Because the rot goes deep and much deeper.
And if PAP don't clean house now...they will be cleaned before 2016. So let's see how deep they are going to clean themselves...

And don't for a minute think this is all going to boost their moral standings in the eyes of the public...only 10% of the first layer transparency..

Parka said...

Whether or not they have knowledge of the age of the girl is immaterial.

Say someone (e.g. foreigner) who has no knowledge of the jaywalking law and jaywalks without intention to break it, does that mean that he's not breaking the law?

Anonymous said...

for expediency, it is best ChanSK administer his kangaroo logic to discharge the 60 immoral men...

afterall, ChanSK did a fabulous job arguing in favour of LauGoh, AhLoong and Tancho Tan when the trio were found inside the voting premises.

theonion said...

Lucky

You may not have supported the legislation.

However, you did support the organisation aims extensively thru a series of articles in April 2009 to May 2009 during the AWARE saga.

So hence to me the irony of your article of the week.

Regards

Anonymous said...

Get real!

The girl is innocent. Nature has given her the license to be a mother at age 9-12.

The only reason that she doesn't engage in sex although she is biologically licensed by natural laws is because of societal conrol.

That's all.

So this girl knows of this. And she chose to make money out of having sex with older men. She is enjoying the sex and the care that the older guys provide. So innocence is out of the question. Young girls want older guys as much as older women want younger guys.

That's reality. What morality? There is no moral phenomenon; what exists is only a moral interpretation of phenomena.

Are you suggesting that the women did not have a sexual arousal when she exchanged her pussy for cash?

That'd won't be true. That's anti-nature.

Even married men and women have sex with other people for satisfaction. Or they felt that they have not attained sexual arrival or fulfillment.

You have cougars and middle-aged working women looking for male escorts, etc.

Morality is man-made. It's manufactured.

How is a 17-year-old girl suddenly more mature than a 16-year-old girl? How so an 18-year-old girl is supposed to be more discerning, simply because she had lived a few more extra days on the calendar?

One may speak of taking advantage of underaged sex. What about teenagers who are fucking like wild goats over weekend? Students who are 16-year-old and going to each other's home for sex?

Are you going to send the boy to jail for having sex with his girlfriend who is 15-year-old?

Then, be prepared to send a lot of teenagers to jail.

This is the era of sexual revolution cum capitalism.

There is a need for a revaluation of all values.

In fact, was it not too long ago that we hear of Heng Swee Keat speaking of paying cash to students who do good deed?

That minister was attempting to redefine morality too.

Anonymous said...

Don't understand why this whole saga happen, 60 men vs 1 woman.

A pro now becomes a protected animal, and the Customers now become corrupted criminal,what is the educational message to the public?

Woman works volunterily as pro never had any issues, both in law and in moral, men call for service are wrong, both in law and in moral!

Anonymous said...

Do your know how much the girl made? She is a willing seller without anyone forcing her to do it. Y must the police and the law in Singapore destroy so many families and destroy Singaporean,s rice bowl? How are their children going to face their classmates if their fathers photos appear in newspaper? They did not force or rape her right and she is charging $500 for an hour do you police know? I feel that the police should give them a chance by giving a stern warning for this round. Y must Singapore force this 60 man to the wall. Are you happy to see families broken up, children unable to face their classmates.

Anonymous said...

All morally corrupted men are deserved to be charged if they are guilty and have intention to take advantage of a young innocent minor.

But this case it seems to me that the "innocent minor" is really and seriously "innocent" by having business with 60 men, and the hardworking police were so busy to stop the business of "innocent" escort? Spent so much of tax payer's monies to prosecute 60 men and to destroy their families, what is the logic to embarras the men and keep the woman intact?

I can feel the public outcry about this case, partly the law enforcement and enactment are not in tune, and the woman in the flesh trade industry will feel nothing but more secured, because the laws are protecting their trade since all of the cases in court no one know about the woman? for example in the case of the ex-SCDF, CNB chief, the woman cause the fall of men always hide behind the scene, the men were screwed up, embarrased and the woman will laugh up. I think we need a Man Charter to protect men as well....

Anonymous said...

At the end of the day, I can't see any greater good that came out of this whole saga.
The police may have done it's job and the various agencies receive their accolades including the presses who had a field day sensationalizing it (for more readership and profit?) But what I saw was greater harm done than greater good. Ironically it was all done in the name of justice and morality. Where is the quality of mercy? To the families and children of these men.. what's the cost(s), the collateral damages caused? Can anyone help me to quantify that? IMO, Morality as with beliefs is man made and changes with the times and thus not cast in stone.

Anonymous said...

More harm is done now. The mother of the scholar might just jump down from her window tomorrow, is this what we want to see?

The hooker continue her business as she is of legal age now. She is well known in model industry, well known in clubbing, well known for carrying luxury products.

Yesterday, one mp said give her a chance to repent. But she is still working hard to make more money for her luxury products.

Why none of the mp say give the man a chance to repent.

This case will only bring shame to our country. My friend Overseas already laughing that our country destroyed many families because of this hooker who misrepresented herself and lied about her age because of money. She knows these men won't engage her service if they knew she is underage.
Y can't the police prosecute her for misrepresentation.

This is very unfair. God will punish her since the law can't . She will receive her Kama very soon. We wait and see

Anonymous said...

lol, very easy for our enemy to destroy us. Just send in 10,000 underage pretty girls and each one lie to 60 men about their age. Provide cheap and good service and keep their mobile numbers. Then sue the 600,000 men and put them all into jail. Presto!

travel adventure penangty said...

if I happen to encounter one, either ignore and left her or retaliate her temptation with psychological war which may left her to sob if I success. To retaliate, I don't have to sex with her but record the voice during interaction should I may be accused by her for sex with her, that piece of evidence may be used to clear any blame. if she claim to be 20 then I will ask her birth date and her willingness: unwilling=victim of sex trade, but if she willing its time to give her a "game over" aka "bust". before I go to file a report against her, I may ask my relative in malaysian side to upload the recorded voice in case I was charged by crook. if the mib side me then I want her to be interrogated and counselled

Anonymous said...

I have zero tolerance for men who disregard and disrespect their marriages and families by seeking sex outside.

It is just simply inconsiderate, selfish and deserving of all the repercussions these 60 men are being charged with.

No one forced them to have sex with a prostitute, they found her themselves. No one forced them to not to verify her age before doing it.

They did it well aware of the risks involved. No matter what, it's always possible the prostitute lies her age.

Since they chose to take this action, they must live with the consequences.

Janine said...

Income is sponsored by Duff & Phelps. It was the straw houses Alexander came to first. That's not going to decline, but increase.