Sunday, April 01, 2012

Singapore homes continue to shrink ...and so will our birth rate....

The size of a median size home shrank to 667 sq ft last quarter (see report below). How many of you have stayed in a home of this size? If you move into such a home, how many children are you going to have?

Population density is a key factor that affects fertility[Research Paper : Population Density is a Key Factor in Declining Human Fertility:

"Where you have high amounts of high-density housing you have very low birth
rates ... where you have density, you tend to have very few
children."- Professor Kotkin, fellow at California's Chapman University and
London think-tank the Legatum Institute.[
Link]

"For the foreseeable future, we will need to tap on immigration to augment our
poprriulation, to support economic growth and to mitigate the impact of
ageing,"
- Wong Kan Seng[Link]

I wrote earlier that using immigration to solve our low birth rate is a bad solution as it puts us in a vicious cycle[ it is dangerous and wrong] - this vicious cycle has been in place for more than a decade driving down our birth rate sharply to the lowest level among countries in the world[we are 222th position in a list with 222 countries]. Govt measures in the form of incentives such at tax breaks aimed at households with higher income (if your income is low, these tax breaks are useless) are highly discriminatory and ineffective - it puts money in the pocket of those who already have money and nothing to those who need it most.

For more that a decade the PAP govt has been talking about solving this of low birth rate problem. The solution is very plain and simple. Everyone can see it....except the PAP. The solution is affordable and bigger housing and lower cost of living.  Instead of doing what is right, the PAP wasted much time blaming Singaporeans for the problem claiming that it is Singaporeans who caused this because they are going after careers and marrying later.  The PAP insists on using immigration to solve this problem. The extremely high immigration level drives the cost of living up puts us in a vicious cycle.



"Longer term, marriage is something in which you need to have the belief from young and you need to have a culture in which people do not see the family as a burden- Chan Chun Seng, Minister MCYS.

Our problems with fertility is caused by Singaporeans seeing the family as a burden? Across the causeway, the Malaysians have a fertility rate more than double that of Singaporeans so does the US. They love family twice as much as Singaporeans? This has been the long sad story of the PAP creating all sorts of explanations blaming Singaporeans for the low birth rate and other problems. Chan Chun Seng takes up his post at MCYS and very quickly pick up this bad PAP habit. This former General is expected to show leadership yet he simply follows the same old pattern of behavior that has created so many policy failures in this area. He is going to waste more precious time as this problem becomes more severe.

The PAP efforts to improve the birth rate reflects the way they thave run this country for the past decade. They can stay in denial even when all the facts, science and outcomes show that they are on the wrong path.  They are boxed in ideological constraints that prevents them from embarking on real solutions. There are numerous success stories of countries that have reverse the birth rate decline and moved their countries out of the dangerously low levels of fertility[ Fertility rates climb back up in the most developed countries]. The PAP population policies are still marred by discrimination against lower income families. At a time when inequality is so high, you cannot succeed unless you get everyone to participate by helping them to be successful in raising their families. Big tax incentives in the form tax rebates can only be fully utilised by those whose income are high enough to claim those rebates within a limited period of time. Baby bonus require parents to put aside money in order to receive matching funds to the govt - lower income families need more direct aid to raise their children and overcome the rise cost of living find it hard to put aside money. Even if these schemes are adjusted, a lot more needs to be done in the area of housing,, health care and  child care. At the rate we are going, we will never get there and the PAP will claim that immigration is the only solution, "they have tried everything but Singaporeans 'refuse' to have more children"...the old blame it on Singaporeans to justfy their pet policies ruse will be use again to produce dire outcomes for ordinary Singaporeans.

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Singapore homes shrink in size as prices rise     

Median size of unit now 667 sq ft; buyers drawn by affordable prices

Published on Mar 31, 2012

By Esther Teo, Property Reporter
Singapore home buyers are squeezing into ever smaller homes in order to be able to afford that prized apartment.

Figures show the median size of new homes sold in the three months to today is now a very cosy 667 sq ft - a touch smaller than a squash court.

The latest figure is a hefty 24 per cent smaller than the same figure a quarter earlier, according to analysis by consultancy CBRE. This trend is made even more stark compared with the median home size of 1,141 sq ft in the second quarter of 2010.

61 comments:

Anonymous said...

My guess is that the pap government wants to maintain the population percentage status quota so as to prevent certain group from over produce. But their plan is not working because the group that the pap government wants them to produce is not do so.

Anonymous said...

I guess for 667 sq ft you could easily put in 3 bedrooms with custom made beds to fit a family of 6, comfortably; smaller flats could mean better traffic and business for the neighborhood stalls cum shopping centres. Anyway 600 sq ft is the average size home in hk today and most of us lived our childhood in those size or smaller flats. It is more comfortable than living on public benches.

Anonymous said...

Do you think he really care? Talking towards earning million of dollars is most what people who join the ruling party desire to. I do not really even care what he says. When I feel things start to go I will exercise my voting right.

Anonymous said...

"Chan Chun Seng takes up his post at MCYS and very quickly pick up this bad PAP habit. This former General is expected to show leadership yet he simply follows the same old pattern of behavior that has created so many policy failures in this area."
Lucky Tan

But PAP consider him the best available person to be MCYS Minister!

What's more, he breezed in Parliament through a walkover in GE 2011, in a team together with a nearly 90 year old man and a literally last minute candidate.

Why our opposition allow such a sad state of affairs to happen? Can't they provide a better choice to majority voters?

Why are there not enough high calibre people like Lucky Tan not willing or dare to become opposition candidates?

Do you now see the root of the problem?

If you don't solve problem at the roots, the problem will never be solved. No use blaming and whining.

Anonymous said...

"I guess for 667 sq ft you could easily put in 3 bedrooms with custom made beds to fit a family of 6, comfortably; smaller flats could mean better traffic and business for the neighborhood stalls cum shopping centres."

How could it be better traffic. More people will lead to more congestion which will lead to bad traffic. Is Hong Kong traffic any better than Singapore or vice versa ? Are we competing to see who is slightly better than the worse.

We talk about smoking causing bad health. How about the many roads with heavy traffic + the exhaust all very close to residential blocks of flats. Imagine the bad polluted air that residents & commuters are breathing everyday.

When young, the huge open space & cleaner air more or less compensated for the smaller house which by the way was dirt dirt cheap. Now our bigger house is so much dispportinately expensive (yet termed affordable) and the open space is strinking with developments built so close to one another. What is the use of many shopping centres and malls if they are also serviced, run & patronised by non-locals when the country was originally big enough for everyone (natural citizens).

Hong Kong is now back to China and yet Hong Kong residents can go out to the street and protest. Imagine if Hong Kong is a sovereign country.

Lye Khuen Way said...

Lucky, you have put it most neatly, this low fertility problem that in the end was mostly caused by our once All-knowing, all-caring PAP governments.
Unfortunately, for true-blue Singaporeans, regardless of race, the number of children ,if they have any, is dropping. Cost of living & pigeon -hole "affordable" HDB flats are the reasons. They are all interwined with that "solution".
Bring in more but wait for people to complain about packed trains/ buses etc.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 1/4/12 08:36

If I were the PAP, I don't think there is any chance the root problem can be solved by GE 2016 lah.

Therefore where elections are concerned, I can sleep well. Including Hougang by election.

For Hougang I will wait for a right timing whereby there is a good chance of a 3 corner fight so maybe PAP can win with only 35% votes! It had happened before in PE 2011 to our preferred candidate!

After all, opposition is unlikely to be strong and united and the problem can only become worse with time.

Because, when they are not fighting PAP at elections, they are fighting among ourselves. HAHAHAHA.

Sgcynic said...

I am sure the guy who bought an affordable two room flat with his 1k salary will be having kids. Just waiting for the government to show us the calculations and for the Straits Times to find one to illustrate the possibility.

Anonymous said...

"Why are there not enough high calibre people like Lucky Tan not willing or dare to become opposition candidates?"
Anon 1/4/12 08:36

Typo correction. "not willing" should be "willing"

Anonymous said...

Shocking facts...How can we get these figures to be published in the Shitty Times?

Anonymous said...

"Longer term, marriage is something in which you need to have the belief from young and you need to have a culture in which people do not see the family as a burden"

Big joke. Then why the need to maintain min cpf balance, compulsory annuity, medishield, maintenance act, etc, etc. Ain't family members supposed to help one another.

Even govt is seeing it as a problem (or burden) of having to take care more older citizens (are they part of the whole bigger singapore family), could this be the reason of having more foreign influx.

Anonymous said...

Eugenics. The PAP wants rich people to bear more children and the poor to stop producing. That is their ultimate aim and has always been.

This is the same as the Graduate Mother scheme, but not so obvious for everyone to see.

Anonymous said...

"Longer term, marriage is something in which you need to have the belief from young and you need to have a culture in which people do not see the family as a burden" - Chan Chun Seng, Minister MCYS.

I think I also know how to say this if I were appointed MCYS minister. And for just only $200K, not $1M, per year salary lah.

Anonymous said...

The Propaganda team is always thinking of new reasons to blame Singaporeans.

Their policies are error free. Couples without flats can start homes in their in laws if they want to...

Who controls the no longer credible state propaganda apparatus?

Anonymous said...

Sure you can see that PAP is busy importing chinese and every other race to counter the proliferation of a certain race. Which is probably a good thing too if Singapore's economy were to move towards R&D and IP development instead of money laundering and casino.

Anonymous said...

Lucky, go start a "Like" link so that more can join you in Facebook.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 1/4/12 10:27

Then join PAP today lah.

Who knows, PAP may find that you may be among the best available to become minister after GE 2016!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone has any data on the percent breakdown by race for citizens by birth who are, say below 18 years old?

This will roughly give an idea of the trend in future and also better insight and understanding of the import foreigner policy.

Anonymous said...

There are 540000 permanent residents (PRs) in Singapore with many of the PRs having been PRs longer than 5 years. Yet these PRs choose not to take up Singapore Citizenship.

The Singapore Permanent Residents (PRs) just want to continue to enjoy the benefits of being Singapore PRs without the duties and obligations that are imposed on Singapore Citizens.

Effectively, these Permanent Residents receive benefits from Singapore and the benefits from the foreign countries they came from.

These clearly show the failure of the Singapore immigration system where the system has difficulties to convert the large number of Permanent Residents to Citizens.

Permanent Residents (PRs) are foreigners of foreign countries. PRs are citizens of foreign countries. PRs will leave Singapore once the PRs have finish extracting all the benefits they need to extract from Singapore and when Singapore has no use to the PRs.

There must be a limit to the number of years permanent resident (PR) can remain as permanent resident.

When PRs have been PR for 5 years, they should be given a chance to take up Singapore Citizenship with 6 months timeframe from the end of the 5 years PR status. Failure to take up the Singapore Citizenship, the same PRs will be given a second chance with another 6 months to decide to take up Singapore Citizenship.

If the PRs choose not to take up Singapore Citizenship after giving up the 2 chances, the PRs will be stripped off the PR status. The original PRs will no longer be PRs. Instead, they will be issued with a permanent foreigner (PF) pass. This PF pass is somewhere between a Permanent Resident and Employment Pass/S pass/ Work Permit pass.

With the PF pass, the previous PRs will not have any benefits of the PRs. They are treated like foreigners with zero benefits. But the previous PRs with PF pass can continue to stay in Singapore subject to renewal every 3 years.

With the previous PRs having already been stripped of the PR status and now holding the PF pass, they are not eligible to buy any HDB flats. If they have bought the HDB flats previously under the PR status, they have 2 choices:
They can sell away the HDB flats within 1 year of losing the PR status
or
They can choose to stay in the HDB flats and pay a minimum of $12000 property tax every year as long as they continue to own the HDB flats.

Also, the former PRs with PF pass are prohibited to rent out the HDB flats. Failure to comply with this limitation, the former PRs with PF pass will be penalised with $100000 fine with immediate confiscation of the HDB flats.

As the former PRs are no longer PRs, they are not treated as local. As such these former PRs with PF pass are considered as foreigners and their employment will be subjected to dependency ratio quota depending on the salaries they are earning.

The Singapore Immigration System has to limit the large number of Permanent Residents in Singapore. The large number of Permanent Residents who choose to remain as Permanent Residents for longer than 5 years is crystal clear indication of the failure of the Singapore Immigration System.

Anonymous said...

PAP created a bad policies, however I also see that the greater problems were created by Main Stream Medias to continue promoting such policies for the govt. Journalism does not exist and never will. That is the sad part in the PAP controlled systems.

I also doubt Singapore govt is keen to promote fertility by contraditing their actions with words. This is a highly self-serving govt we are talking about and they are not transparent and forthcoming when dealing with matters that are detrimental to the well-beings of local citizens.

I am sad that 60% voters did not see thru the devilish schemes done by this ruling party, just like LKY pushed the stop-at-two policies and resulted in Singapore bad shape decade later to justify their yet another flawed policies.

Similarly, what PAP has created today will certainly has a very drastic impact decade later. When that day comes, the only way out for Singaporeans is to run road - we have no other option in this cuntry. To save this country, Singapreans have to learn to save themselves and not PAP. PAP should not be allowed to rule at whims and fancies again. Otherwise Singapore will fall- not now but decade later - for certain. As LKY said, PAP is not a perfect party.

Anonymous said...

the more the blame singaporeans, the less they responsibilities they have to take for their mistakes.

Did any of the newspaper highlight the points raised by Lucky?

Anonymous said...

" ... you need to have a culture in which people do not see the family as a burden"
- Chan Chun Seng, Minister MCYS.

I would say that Singapore needs a government that does not see its citizens as cheap beasts of burden.

Anonymous said...

Lucky Tan, can you don't mind tell us why you don't want to be an opposition candidate in GE 2011?

I am sure many people who visited your blog would like to know.

Of course we can easily guess and expect what are the likely reasons lah, but maybe you have something to say that we do not know or expect?

Anonymous said...

The 3 factors of production are land, labour and capital.

The Party Against People has;
increased the cost of land,
increased their control over our capital,
decreased the cost of labour.

TRANSLATION FOR THE 60% DAFT SINKIES
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We are the labour.
We are being squeezed.

Anonymous said...

Dear Pro Alien Party.
Regarding your MCYS Minister Chan Chun Sing.

"Is there no else? Is there no one else?"
Quote from the movie Troy.
Brad Pitt as Achilles

Singaporeans (Brad Pitt) want to know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BiLCJxpqi4

Anonymous said...

If only some Pro Alien Politicians would listen to Brad Pitt in his titular role of Achilles in the movie Troy:

"Greece got along fine before I was born, and Greece will be Greece long after I'm gone."
Brad Pitt as Achilles

Anonymous said...

"Longer term, marriage is something in which YOU need to have the belief from young and YOU need to have a culture in which people do not see the family as a burden"
- Chan Chun Seng, Minister MCYS.


Who is this "you" that Ah Seng keeps referring to?

So what is Ah Seng going to do about the problem he has just identified?

I know! I know!
Ah Seng is waiting for Sinkies to give him "constructive feedback".
Otherwise he won't not know what to do.

Anonymous said...

"For the foreseeable future, we will need to tap on immigration to augment our population, to support economic growth and to mitigate the impact of ageing,"
- Wong Kan Seng


Wah! This Ah Seng very clever.
We must also seek his advice about how to keep Singapore safe from terrorists.

Singapore architects.
This Ah Seng may also have very original ideas about unusual design ideas for men's toilet.

Amused said...

The answer is obvious.

Parents want their children to be happy and successful. Do you see that with today's children? Are they happy (in school)? Are they going to enjoy a good life when they grow up?

youngfranco said...

Hello, you've built a very clever article, however your premises are problematic.

ONE: there is a potential flaw in the 2009 research that you have cited. (see link http://mule.posterous.com/dodgy-analysis-in-nature-fertility-not-really. This casts real shadows on the the seemingly obvious solution to reversing the demographic trend.

TWO: Though "MEDIAN" DOES NOT MEAN "AVERAGE SIZES". Its true new home sizes are shrinking. This is to reflect the smaller sized family units. Despite the smaller size units, the amount of area per person has actually increased! Furthermore, I'd argue that if smaller family-sized units use less space, there would be more overall "space resource" for people with larger families. Meaning the allocation of space becomes more efficient as it fits each families sizes needs better. Should a newly wed couple occupy a 5 room flat when it may take them 10 years to fill the space? Or is it more efficient for them to start small and progress over time? The latter is more financially sound and socio-economically sound.

Three: There is a strong correlation with religiosity and total fertility rate. This is the basis for your Malaysia and US example. (yes, apparently US has strong religiosity, ie bible belt). Perhaps that is something missing in Singapore.

Four: Immigration is a temporary solution to a low TFR problem which can be adjusted when TFR rises again. It is also serves as a buffer to mitigate citizen unemployment during recessions. For instance, when the economy is bad, Singapore stops renewing work permits, EPs and WPs immidiately so that retrenched Singaporeans can find jobs, thus maintaining a reasonable unemployment rate for its citizens. I encourage Singaporeans to understand the less obvious advantages of foreign worker policies and use them to our advantage.

My guess is that Singaporeans are too self-abosorbed to want share it by giving birth. I say this because I realized even rich Singaporeans, with HHI about $12K/month, are not having/enough children either. We all seem to want the phones, flat screen laptops, hand bags, branded this, branded that...well, clearly their priorities are obvious.

But, I do agree you 100% that we cannot solve a TFR problem with immigration. But until someone finds the actual cause (not correlation) we can continue to work on our Human development index, regardless whether we have low TFR or not, and other techniques to help boost our TFR. No one has the answers yet, and it requires patience and courage to try different thngs. Unless we want to start thumping bibles. DO we really wanna go there?

Anonymous said...

The fact remains that lower income families have a lot less resources to groom and prepare their children for future - this is a global truth.

What you are proposing is a dangerous proposition. Global Economic and Demographic data have proven that a nation's economic well-being is closely linked to the which social strata the majority of the populace belongs to. Less developed countries tend to have larger families in the lower income group.

What would be interesting, would be a solution - where the rich and comfortable (above/slightly above average income Singaporeans) could be encouraged to give birth more (any families with 3 or more children) is ideal.

That by itself, is critical for Singapore - very limited in land and opportunities. I do not know whether PAP knows this fact or not, but clearly their actions of late are NOT working.

Rather than BLAMING PAP, I was really hoping that you MIGHT have a IDEA/STRATEGY on how this national problem can be addressed --- but No.

This story, at the end of the day, is just ANOTHER.... PAP-BLAMING article -> entertaining to read, but absolutely USELESS in offering any intelligent insight/knowledge.

Anonymous said...

" That by itself, is critical for Singapore - very limited in land and opportunities."


Who is this Singapore that you refer to?

Critical for PAP (where PAP=Singapore)?

Critical for average Singaporeans (where average Singaporeans=Singapore)?

I am an average Singaporean.
I don't see why a low birth rate is my problem.

Anonymous said...

@ youngfranco

Are you related to the Spanish fascist dictator Francisco Franco?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco

Anonymous said...

QUOTE
Despite the smaller size units, the amount of area per person has actually increased!
Furthermore, I'd argue that if smaller family-sized units use less space, there would be more overall "space resource" for people with larger families.
UNQUOTE

Wah! It's a miracle.
Small is the new "big."

Just like GST is to help the poor!

Or 90% of Singaporeans own their own homes!
(Since HDB flats belong to HDB, only 10% of Singaporeans really own their own property. i.e. property that they can pass on to their children)

Lucky.
Please consider writing an article on the great urban myths of Singapore.
The PAP internet brigade needs to be educated.

Veritas said...

All these evil started with LKY and maggot Goh Chok Tong's asset enhancement. Goh Chok Tong hails from poor family but every of his policies targeted to screw the poor. Loong inherited Woody Goh's policy implementing it with several times more intensity but without much substantial change.

Goh Chok Tong has sell out the poor. If his mother is around, he should ask his mother can she survive in this crazy Singapore society.

Lucky Tan said...

younfranco,

1. I refered to the paper for the data on countries being able to improve fertility which is not in dispute. What is in dispute is the fertlity-human develop correlation, which is not what my posting is about.

2.Again you miss the point. It may take a married couple 10 yrs to fill a bigger flat but that is not the issue. The issue is many can no longer afford the bigger flat when they need it. I think many people have issues with HDB's space per person calculation which equally divide toilet, store room and kitchen space ..doesn't make sense.




3. Please go back to the 2010 National Day speech where LHL expressed of rising religiosity in the past decade in Singapore. There is no correlation here with fertility.

4.While foreign workers theoretically provide a buffer during recessions when the WP, EP are not renewed, the recessions in the past decade has been short and sharp. By the time a sizable number of WP & EP are not renewed the economy is back on its feet. Also, even if there is such a benefit you have to weigh it against the structural unemployment and low wages caused by imported labor.

5. There are as less 12K per month couples who don't want more babies as there are 2k per month couples who want more children but can't. But your logic merely reinforce my point that giving tax rebate to those who don't need and denying direct aid to those who need is a bad policy for increasing fertility.

Anonymous said...

PAP is leading us in a vicious circle. They are making short term gains failing to see long term
problems.
Assuming these immigrants settle down,take up citizeships for PR, someday, they will also grow gold. Then what, to take up even more immigrants to support the economy?
How many more can this little red dot accomodate?

Anonymous said...

"But your logic merely reinforce my point that giving tax rebate to those who don't need and denying direct aid to those who need is a bad policy for increasing fertility."
Lucky Tan

So is the reverse true? That is, don't give tax rebate to those who don't need and give direct aid to those who need is a good policy for increasing fertility."

Are things that simple?

Soojenn said...

What would you expect... when the Singapore developers partner with HK developers or learn from them, developers who are well known for building apartments smaller, and smaller apartments.

You have one such "quality" Singaporean developer who is also developing in HK, and whose owner has been recognized (for his poor quality apartments) to the extent to use public money to rename a hospital after him.

635 sq ft.. is this gross or net area? In HK the area is usually stated as gross area. The net area,usually at 70-80% (includes areas in the corridors, balcony, and god know what else) of the gross area, meaning the actual size is even smaller.

The developer make much more building shoe box homes, so why not, and with the Singapore government bent on increasing the population at any cost, such apartments will naturally come in handy.

And like you say, it is a matter of how to brainwash Singaporeans to think that this is "quality" living..

S$1 million for 635 sft net area is the average to low price to pay for an apartment in a good area in HK.

Anonymous said...

"PAP is leading us in a vicious circle."
Anon 2/4/12 09:56

But if PAP don't do that, Singapore will die faster.

Which is better? Die slower or die faster?

Anonymous said...

"S$1 million for 635 sft net area is the average to low price to pay for an apartment in a good area in HK."
Soojenn 2/4/12 10:07

If it can happen in HK, why not Singapore?

Some more, unlike HK, Singapore PAP govt has a strong mandate of 93% seats to implement whatever policies.

Anonymous said...

I'm a PR. There are few, if any, benefits that I get that Singaporeans don't get. I dont get a vote, I buy but cannot own my HDB flat as my Singaporean wife becomes the owner. My foreign born son has to do NS. I get and expect zero benefits from the UK and never have done.
Do some homework and get your facts right before saying anything.

Anonymous said...

"Which is better? Die slower or die faster?"
Anon 2/4/12 10:07

Of course die slower lah. That's what doctors are for, to make people die slower.

Because ultimately, everyone has to die what.

Anonymous said...

Lucky, another direct hit on the pap again. I look forward to Chan Chun Seng leading the pap. I love to see the pap chuck into the dustbin of history for all the miseries they have unnecessarily inflicted on the lives of average Singaporeans.
Any pap leaders who continue to follow the path set by LKY for the last 50 years, must fail. This is so very clear and only those out of touch idiots in the pap top heirachy failed to see it.

Ng Eng Hou said...

Clever people produce clever kids. This is LKY's logic, so they will try to encourage the higher incomes people to have more kids. The problem is such people usually have the lower incentive to have more kids.

To encourage more kids, government should make the overall costs of having kids low, such as universal affordable childcare, keep education subsidies high, encourage and come up with favorable policies and incentives to private businesses to promote flexible working hours to allow women to keep their jobs and take care of kids at the same time. Look for ways and means to help women to get back into workforce after their kids have grown up and they want to work again.

Immigration is one of the means to increase birth rate, but not necessary. Maybe the government should study about France's birth encouragement policies. So far, it is one of the few developed countries that manage to reverse birth rate decline without any huge immigration.

Our home will continue to shrink, because government wants to build more homes to accommodate new migrants, also as houses get more expensive, the government tries to make it affordable by making them smaller. I hear some talk about reducing HDB lease from 99 years to 60 years to make it affordable.

Everything is shrinking except ministers' pay. Do you think their pay was really cut?

Veritas said...

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Clever people produce clever kids. This is LKY's logic, so they will try to encourage the higher incomes people to have more kids. The problem is such people usually have the lower incentive to have more kids.

Maybe the government should study about France's birth encouragement policies. So far, it is one of the few developed countries that manage to reverse birth rate decline without any huge immigration.
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If LKY is around, this will never come to pass. There are more dimension in this wicked FT policy.

The FT policy is design to sterilize increasing vocal Singaporeans intentionally and especially to prevent Malay Muslim from gaining an advantage in demographics.

What happen if PAP let every young have a house before 27? Overnight, their worst fear that Malay reproduces at TFR 4-5 will come true.

LKY uses the most wicked way to solve Malay problem. And recently the FT scheme get even more noxious. Pinoys are imported and labeled as Malay to rig Malay's demographics.

For me to solve the Malay problem, I would use a better way. Give everyone a middle class life, give them good education, increase their salary. Give Singaporean free healthcare. If every woman is PHD, they will have TFR close to Chinese.

And what is this irrational fear about Malay? I see even Bumi policy in the worst form is better than the caste-ist FT Indians brought to Singapore.

Even under the worst period of Bumi policy, the kind Malay in Malaysia still give civil service jobs to Chinese. Go Citibank and look for yourselves what these crackpot caste-ist FT Indian did. Especially in Citi CBP, 100% are Indians.

We must get rid of LKY.

Anonymous said...

PAPpies can never understand the economic realities faced by ordinary Singapores because they overpay themselves with obscenely high salaries - what does CCS know about oridinary Singaporeans spending hours overworking just to make a living and not have the energy or money to have a family? It's easy for the Pappies to sit on their Ivory Gold-gilded Towers to comment. That is why we need a change of political parties. PAP is beyond redemption.

Anonymous said...

The Party Against People has governed in Singapore for the last 47 years.

During this time, Singapore's fertility rate has steadily declined until it's the lowest in the world today.

Who do we blame if we don't blame the Pro Alien Party?

If we are serious about increasing our fertility rate, we have to vote Opposition.
The Pro Alien Party is bad for fertility.
The Pro Alien Party is bad for the Singapore family.

Anonymous said...

Lucky,may I suggest that you also find out which are the countries that people stay in home less than 667 sq ft?
But if PAP does not ask this question,then I am happy that PAP has improved slightly.
Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Yet again, the great Lucky Tan skirts around the fact that Indians and Malays are reproducing fairly well, living in the same conditions as the majority Chinese.

"In 2010, total fertility rate for was Chinese 1.08, followed by Indians (1.14) and Malays (1.82). Malay fertility-rate is ~70% higher than Chinese and Indians." -Wikipedia.

What excuse do the Chinese have for not maintaining a healthy birth rate? Why blame PAP for it? If the Chinese continue in this fashion due to selfish reasons, PAP will have no choice but to continue to import more PRC people. Don't say you weren't warned.

sensiblePR said...

It's high time Singaporeans stopped thinking that owning a flat is a birthright. No Singaporean I know will ever consider renting a house. They always whine about not getting a new flat, that flat prices are going up, that they still have to live with their parents even after getting married. Why is that? Why can't you rent a place, have a couple of kids, raise a family and somewhere down the line, buy a house? The inability to own a house never comes in the way of raising a family anywhere else in the world. Only in Singapore have I heard such pathetic excuses.

Veritas said...

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It's high time Singaporeans stopped thinking that owning a flat is a birthright.
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Then PAP please return the monies to aboriginal Singaporeans based on the land price they acquired forcibly from Singaporeans.

Plundering our land and selling it to FT profiting the spread is the worst crime.

Anonymous said...

I agree with some of the authors here saying that this is just another PAP bashing session. S'poreans are just piling the blame on PAP. 20 yrs down the road, when the economy is senescent along with the population, the same people will be blaming PAP as well. So what is PAP to do? The people are not making enough babies. The women think they are too good for local men. The married men are finding sexual satisfaction with women other than their wives. More and more young people are turning gay. Young married couples are keeping cats and dogs instead of having children.

The favorite excuse for not having children seems to be cost. But look at the way people splurge on luxuries. Every NATAS travel fair hits a new record compared to the year before. Same with IT Shows or practically every damn fair there is. Sales of private housing goes from strength to strength (this is blamed on foreigners but pls pick 10 of your neighbors and see how many are foreigners). And look at how people splurge on cars and pets. All the food joints are packed with people stuffing their faces every weekend. Don't you think all these are expensive?

At the end of the day, cost is just a convenient excuse for escaping the responsibility of having children. People are just too absorbed with the good life that they are unwilling to give it up. So if PAP uses the "instant tree" method to solve the problem, who is to blame?

Anonymous said...

Singapore's low fertility rate is a problem only in the minds of the PAP and LKY.
I don't see any problem with a low fertility rate.

30 years ago, PAP told us Singapore's fertility rate was too high.
Why should we believe them now?

But I do have issues with the PAP's immigration policy.

Anonymous said...

"It's high time Singaporeans stopped thinking that owning a flat is a birthright."
sensiblePR @ 2/4/12 19:32


1) 80% of Singaporeans live in an HDB flat.
2) ALL HDB flats belong to HDB (government)

3) So in actual fact, at least 80% of Singaporeans live in rented flats.

4)When you "buy" a new HDB flat, you are actually buying a lease from HDB.
A right to stay in the HDB flat for 99 years.
HDB still owns the flat.
That is why your children cannot inherit your HDB flat. Unless your children can also meet HDB's terms & conditions.

The unique thing about buying a 99 year lease is this.
You are renting your HDB flat from HDB.
You pay 99 years rent in one lump sum upfront.

Wake up Sinkies!
We have one of the lowest home ownership rates (around 10%) in the world!

Anonymous said...

sensiblePR said...
It's high time Singaporeans stopped thinking that owning a flat is a birthright... The inability to own a house never comes in the way of raising a family anywhere else in the world. Only in Singapore have I heard such pathetic excuses.

2/4/12 19:32
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Because 'everywhere else in the world' is not a city state? It's like you force everyone in the state of New York to stay in New York City with those kind of property prices and the governor does not make policies for affordable housing???

In other countries, people can afford to buy suburban properties that are cheaper. Name me a developed country where you cannot do this. (No, Hongkong is not a country.) The equivalent for Singapore is well... Malaysia, another country.

Anonymous said...

"In other countries, people can afford to buy suburban properties that are cheaper."

You still don't get it. You DON'T need to own a house to raise a family. Get that into your thick skull. World over, hundreds of millions of people live in rented accommodation and raise families. Singaporeans are just too pampered.

fairplay said...

Unless our ministers live in HDB themselves, they will not appreciate the size issue.

Anonymous said...

we are in such a bad state..

Anonymous said...

RT:"Anyway 600 sq ft is the average size home in hk today and most of us lived our childhood in those size or smaller flats. It is more comfortable than living on public benches." Poor Hongkongers who don't know of their deprivations!
Ever wonder why so mny Hong Kongers doesn't go home until it is time for bed? Teenagers and students included. You will find them hanging around malls and public places until it's really late. Why? Lack of space at home?
According to the latest survey by Durex, HK'ers have the lowest sex score among all the countries survey due to lack of space and privacy. Now for this myopic person... I say "THINK!"

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