Sunday, April 08, 2012

Minister Tharman should get his facts straight on Taiwan....

"Singapore risks becoming a 'Taiwan story' and will lose its competitive edge globally if it closes its doors to foreign talent, said Deputy Prime Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam on Wednesday night.
He cited a recent survey on talent migration in Taiwan that shows the stark consequences on the wages of its people from pursuing a closed-door policy against foreigners.
At the same time, its best and brightest were leaving the island, particularly for China as well as the United States and other countries.

As a result, the nominal income of the average Taiwanese has flattened for more than a decade, according to the survey done by the East Asian Institute at the National University of Singapore (NUS)."
- Straits Times, "Draw lessons from 'Taiwan story"

Taiwan faces a brain drain for one simple reason - its graduates get an average pay of NT$24,000 per month[Link]. This is one third the pay in Singapore and one-quarter the pay in USA. The reason why their top graduates are leaving the country is because they can get better pay elsewhere. The reason why you're not applying for a job in Taiwan is because you can get a better pay in Singapore. If Taiwan swings open its doors fully like Singapore, they can attract workers from countries where the pay is lower - Philippines, India, Bangladesh These workers will further depress the already low wages there causing more talented Taiwanese to leave for greener pastures.

Using Taiwan to justify Singapore's large foreign influx is wrong and Minister Tharman better start getting his facts straight otherwise he loses more credibility. His earlier assertion that people earning $1000 can own a HDB flat has raised many eyebrows and fallen flat under close scrutiny.

For those in the electronics sector, hearing a Singapore minister say that Taiwan will lose its competitive edge globally sounds ridiculous. Why? Singapore has lost to Taiwan competitively in almost all areas in the electronics industry. Temasek owned Chartered Semi-con took in billions in taxpayers' and shareholders money but lost out to Taiwanese competitors like UMC and TSMC. Chartered was later sold off to a foreign company. Chartered Semi-conductor hired "foreign talents" massively at all levels -from the CEO all the down to production engineers while TSMC & UMC hired mostly Taiwanese except in a few selected posts. If Tharman's theory is true that we have become more competitive by importing foreign talent, how did we end up losing so badly in the head on competition in the semiconductor industry? Today, Taiwan holds its own against much larger countries in the electronic sector - many of their companies are truly world class - HTC, Acer, Asus, Via Technologies, Realtek etc. After importing so many "foreign talents" into the electronics sector to make us 'competitive' , where do we stand today vs Taiwan?

Tharman again cites nominal income as a measure of govt success. But we know that too many tricks can be played with this number. A country can raise GDP and nominal income by importing rich individuals to bump up the number without benefiting their own citizens[Link]. You can also trade-off income equality to get growth through deregulation and financialisation of your economy. One example is allowing wealth management sector to expand as a result of regulatory arbitrage or allowing banks to expand unsecured lending. Such moves will create a lot of wealth concentrated in a small segment of the populace with the rest of the people paying the price later [Link]. You can also expand your GDP by building casinos ...and the really silly thing to do is let the casinos make billions and allow them to hire non-locals because they can pay them lower salaries and dish out less benefits. Taiwan is known for its ability to maintain high economic growth yet keeping income inequality low[LInk] while Singapore has the higest income inequality among all developed countries.

There are many things that improve the lives of ordinary citizens that does not show up in nominal income. One example is the universal healthcare system in Taiwan. While every lower middle and lower income bread winner in Singapore still has to worry about healthcare and have night mares about uninsured aged parents, siblings or new born getting seriously ill, Taiwan has already implemented a universal healthcare system that covers everyone in the country since 1995:



After some testing times, Taiwan is now a vibrant democracy with free press, a multi-party system and where people have the right to assembly and hold peaceful protest. I was in Taiwan in 1990s and, as a Singaporean,  found the country politically backward. They were under emergency law (martial law) governed by a single dominant party, the media was state controlled and country was boxed in by the ideas of a dead dictator - the propaganda surrounding their dictator leaders found at the museum I found incredibly hilarious. Taiwan has made a lot of political progress since the 90s amd the political system they have today is completely different from what they had in the 80s and 90s. Today, the Taiwanese find our less democratic system amusing to say the least : Taiwan Current Affairs Programme on Singapore.

If there is anything to be learnt in the area of immigration, it is the lessons  Singapore has for Taiwan. Always put the interests of your own citizens on top of everything else. Don't over do it to the point that your country become dependent on foreign labor. Quality of life of your citizens comes first not GDP growth. Be very transparent and accountable to your people when you implement such policies. Be mindful of the negative impact of such policies in your cities and strains on your healthcare, housing and transport system. Never belittle your own people's capabilities to justify importing foreign talents. Be very clear about how the policies benefit people at all levels of society and never brush away the genuine concerns of ordinary citizens as xenophobia or small mindedness.

A good policy on immigration can create diversity, enhance competitiveness and improve the quality of life of your people. Simply opening the floodgates to get higher GDP growth is not a good policy...just look at what happened to ordinary Singaporeans and the growing divide caused by the PAP govt approach to immigration. The end result is overcrowding, rising income gap, and seething anger towards this govt policy.

69 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thank you for this post! I became quite skeptical of Tharman when he first trumpeted that $1000-flat. Now he its warning us the danger of being closed up when Singapore is about as porous as we can ever be???

You are right! Tharman is not prime ministerial material. This is another wolf in sheep clothing! Nds would say anything to continue bringing in cheap labor top push up GDP and his own salary!

Anonymous said...

"Never belittle your own people's capabilities to justify importing foreign talents."
Lucky Tan

Lucky Tan, you totally forgot that we are Singaporeans, not Taiwanese.

Don't you know the characteristics of Singaporeans? PAP knows very well.

That's why PAP, despite its bad policies and outcome you mentioned, continues to have at least 60% mandate at every election for 46 years!

Remind you again, this works only uniquely in Singapore, and for PAP. Do you understand?

"Know yourself, know your enemies, 100 battles, 100 victories."
Sun Tze's Art of War

And this is an exception, it applies everywhere, including Singapore.

And good blogging don't really help because you still don't understand Singaporeans.

Do you understand?

Anonymous said...

"Singaporeans, how dog are you?"
http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/04/07/singaporeans-how-dog-are-you/

I think the writer in the link above knows Singaporeans a bit better.

Definitely better than Lucky Tan. Because Lucky Tan never write like this, did he?

Lye Khuen Way said...

Seriously, I have a hard time remembering what, if any that the Minister in question,had pronounced made any sense to me. No bull.

Anonymous said...

One of the best articles. Keep it up Lucky.

Anonymous said...

///You are right! Tharman is not prime ministerial material. This is another wolf in sheep clothing! Nds would say anything to continue bringing in cheap labor top push up GDP and his own salary!///

They are getting more careless & confused nowsadays - just for the sake of getting some soundbites out from their mouths in order to protect their sacred cow in some of their past policies.

Amused said...

Is this what a million dollar gets you?

Name me a first world country, Germany, USA, France, Japan, or even China. None of them have such a wide open-door policy. Yet they are globally competitive.

The Singapore PAP has proven no match to these countries. So their solution is to import GDP and pay themselves obscene "salaries."

Besides, Singapore tops the world in losing its own citizens. So here you have it. An empty vessel makes the loudest sound.

Anonymous said...

Taiwan crushed singapore and almost any country in the world with the possible exception of SKorea in the electronics without depending on foreign import labour. They keep R&D strictly to the locals and created thousands of high value ended jobs for theor citizens. Yes, a lot of Taiwanese work in China BUT in Taiwanese companies holding key positions in these companies. I think Tharman totally discredited himself when he bring up this Taiwan example as a case to import foreigners. I am utterly surprised how out of touch he is to the realities on the ground.

Veritas said...

The state of Taiwan is multi-facet. The main reason is Taiwan is close to mainland China, and there goes their production to China. As Terry Gou has put it Foxconn can hire 10 engineers in China for every one in Taiwan. That depress their salary.

Despite of this much of the most critical component of the technology was develop in Taiwan. The Taiwanese government are more patroitic than PAP.

Whenever PAP wanted to do something, the subcontract to useless NCS, DSO, DSTA, ST which then sub-sub contract to western MNC like IBM.

In Taiwan, the local private companies get the job, and from there develop their capabilities.

We have to think how Singapore get all these high pay without doing anything. We have no technology, no product, and those people getting high paying jobs are just shuffling paper.

The fact is, our high pay jobs are generated all in the finance, doing money laundering, tax evasion, selling toxic to every rich people in the world.

Anonymous said...

"We have to think how Singapore get all these high pay without doing anything. We have no technology, no product, and those people getting high paying jobs are just shuffling paper."
Veritas 8/4/12 09:26

PAP did something lah, by getting lots of foreign "talents" to come here to do it faster and cheaper for us lah.

But good or better? Hard to say lah but definitely not good enough to produce a Singapore "Terry Gou" or "Steve Jobs" lah.

I can tell you why lah. The "Terry Gou" or "Steve Jobs" type of talent won't come to Singapore lah. Why would they?

For headlines, I can only think of the table tennis talents in China which we imported some from to win us Olympic medals! And how come only table tennis, and why not from other sports also? And I think you can roughly guess why lah.

Anonymous said...

PAP is very selfish.
PAP only concerns about itself.
PAP wants to mass import foreigners just to grow GDP at all cost. This benefits the riches and elites only. PAP being part of the riches and elites naturally rides on this benefit to the extreme.

We, citizens of Singapore, have to ask ourselves these questions:

Why must we defend the riches and elites to the extent that we have to put our life in danger doing national service when the riches and elites, PAP being part of this group, are the beneficiaries of the policy to open floodgate to foreigners?

Why are we left just to struggle for survival and are fed with dirt and shit while the riches and elites, PAP being part of this group, are the beneficiaries of the policy to open floodgate to foreigners?

Anonymous said...

The Pro Alien Party's immigration policy is very short sighted and dumb.

Our new immigrants are not stupid.
The smart ones will figure out very quickly the quicksand they are stepping into.

Even the slower ones will figure it out in one generation if not sooner.

Anonymous said...

For those Singaporeans who are hoping to see better times when/if Tharman succeeds LHL as PM ... please wake up.

Tharman is part of the problem.
The inability of the Millionaires-In-Waiting (MIWs) to see that their party ideology is the problem.

Here are the origins of the lightning logo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Union_of_Fascists

Sinkies!
Achtung!
Wake up!

Kojakbt said...

http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/04/08/tharman-should-get-his-facts-straight-on-taiwan/

[TRE Editor's note: One of the best arguments against PAP policies I've seen on the Net. Lucky Tan essentially summed up the deep flaws in PAP policies and why PAP is losing its shine with Singaporeans as witnessed in the last GE. We will be forwarding this piece to Minister Tharman so as to enable him to reflect upon the policies he and his colleagues have created for us Singaporeans.]

Anonymous said...

Good article. I have lost my respect for Tharman.

Anonymous said...

Good article. I have lost my respect for Tharman.

Anonymous said...

Japan is recovering from a nuclear meltdown, an earthquake, a tsunami, a neo-conservative immigration policy and is still doing fine.

It is something our ineffective government need to take a lesson on.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the second anony about SIngaporeans. They are kiasu and kiasi. ANd that is the product of an education system that strives to divide and label students and now the government wants to equate values with money.

After corrupting everything, it will then give you some cash before election time to gain your support for doing it to you.

And only singaporeans are daft for this sort of life breeding.

Your values are being contaminated by a government that puts a dollar note on values. THey intend to cement the kiasuism and kiasism among singaporeans. Your pledge will forever be an aspiration. Don't waste time on singapore.

Tharman speaks of taiwainese moving leaving taiwan. We ourselves have plenty of singaporeans working and leaving for other countries.

There is no opportunity in this country for native born singaporeans. Go to another country. Big spaces and trains are not overcrowded. WHy settle for something less in this super tiny tiny island?

Singapura Pundit said...

Here's a blog dedicated to highlighting and correcting irrational ideas from Singaporean netizens: http://singapurapundit.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

Replying to Singapura Pundeh er I mean Singapura Pundit- maybe you should start a blog dedicated to highlighting and correcting the irrational ideas from Singaporean ministers instead.

Irrational ideas from a few netizens here and there will never equal the amount of damage coming from the PAP ministers.

Anonymous said...

Lucky, once again, you are right on the money with this !

I worked in Chartered semiconductor (now re-named as Global Foundries, own by Abu Dhabi Investment Corp.) for many years in a management position and it is true that many of its employee are foreigners, especially in the production/engineering departments. I estimate 75%. This is a company, managed and run by foreigners, that can never beat great engineering companies like TSMC ( run by mainly Taiwanese )

Veritas said...

Many of the top of semicon companies like TSMC, UMC, HTC, Mediatek are run by Taiwanese, even more so, their most critical and highest chain of their technology are developed in Taiwan by Taiwanese without any FT.

We can tap into a pool of 7 billion people worldwide and yet we produce only shit. Our A*, are some of the biggest loser not seen in the whole world, conning $$$ from tax payers, paying those worthless local scholars and FT $$$ so long as they get a PHD from prestigious university.

The problem is not dearth of talent, but a dyfunctional system created by too much FT.

The more FT we have, the more we are going to collapse. We need no more of these phoney talent. We need real talent like those nobel prize laureates.

Anonymous said...

Unless something has changed recently, isn't Logitech a Swiss company?

Anonymous said...

PAP and elites are just money-faced --- everything including dignity is measured by how big is your salary. Even secondary school kids know that nominal salaries, just like nominal exchange rates, are poor measures of quality of living.

If you really compare apples-to-apples, using Purchasing Power Parity to account for costs of living, you will find that the average Taiwanese is wealthier and has better quality of life than Sinkie. It's the same for average M'sian --- they are able to afford freehold property with title deed (which 80% of Sinkies won't have), able to buy 2 or 3 cars, able to truly retire by 60 yrs old at the latest.

In S'pore 80% of Sinkies cannot retire, unless they depend on their children for handouts. Unfortunately your children's future lives 20 years later will be even tougher than yours now. Will your children be able to afford your retirement??

Veritas said...

Beside the mismanagement of GLCs, stat boards, I saw PAP using racism to attack the pillars of Singapore development.

Today, your chance of getting a good job depends on the fact that you must not be a Singaporean.

The best skin color today in Singapore in brown color and holding a passport from India or somewhere in South Asia.

PAP tag team FT Indians to kick every Singaporeans out of IT jobs in Citibank. The whole building of Citi in CBP 8-11 stories high are 100% Indians.

For banks in Shenton way, Indians are now kicking out Singaporeans. Today, it is not FT complaining xenophobic Singaporeans. Its the other way round. Singaporeans are already suffering from massive racism of FT, especially Indians.

Tharman is the 5th column trying to undermine Singaporeans to help his useless cousins from India. The FT Indians has run India down the shit hole for 5000 years using racism in the form of caste system.

Now, PAP tries to make us eat shit by making use of FT indian's racism against Singaporeans. If FT Indians are so clever why their country so poor, there must be a reason.

Anonymous said...

" In S'pore 80% of Sinkies cannot retire, unless they depend on their children for handouts. Unfortunately your children's future lives 20 years later will be even tougher than yours now. Will your children be able to afford your retirement??"
ANON: 8/4/12 15:35

Yes, your children can afford your retirement.

But you must start voting Opposition today.
And persuade your friends & family to also support Opposition too.

Also start educating your children today.
So that they can support and vote Opposition tomorrow.

Your family's future lies with your vote in GE 2016.
Choose wisely.

Anonymous said...

Tharman is flawed. He is eternally grateful and beholden to the PAP for allowing him to be a minister in spite of his conviction under the official secrets act!

He is now eyeing the PMship, ingratiating himself with the Lees.

Anonymous said...

//Name me a first world country, Germany, USA, France, Japan, or even China. None of them have such a wide open-door policy. Yet they are globally competitive//

None of the above has such high migrants rate as you said. In fact, those so called world class city like London Paris or NYC are cities that can afford a fluid flow of populations but at the very least, their citizens also have other 2nd tier city or suburban places they can go to. In SG however, this choice is non-existent.

Let's look at our Net Migration Rate :-

During 2005 - 2010 , SG has one of the highest Net Migration Rate with avg (per 1,000 population) - Singapore (31), Macao, China (20), and Australia (11).

http://www.unescap.org/stat/data/syb2011/I-People/International-migration.asp

In PBR 2011 population data - once again, we have one of the highest Net Migration Rate - Singapore (13), Macau (13) and Kuwait (18) Qatar (19) ..

http://www.prb.org/Publications/Datasheets/2011/world-population-data-sheet/Webinar.aspx

In 2012, our Net Migration Rate in SG is estimated around (15) out of 1000 population, sits at the top of the ranks with other pacific tax haven islands.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/population/net_migration_rate_2012_0.html

What has this country done to protect and ensure the well-being of its own citizens? NONE!!!

What PAP is interested in is the longevity of this Country & its Power to Rule , regardless of the demographics. What they want is to meet all the economics indicators so that they can get their bonuses, earned their international stripes to look good and punch in the world stage, and pronounced themselves and their legacies as the best Govt in the whole world. It is about their ego. Everyone else is merely a digit.

The fact that they have no qualms to remove the last of your Bt Brown Cemetery where our/your ancestors who were first generational pioneers and Singaporeans to build this country and its independence says a lot. Their stories DONT MATTER. If their stories don't matter, why should you Ah Kow, Ahmad. Kumar matters? The work of our pioneers started is not finished and should not be buried and removed just like Singaporean citizens, to be thrashed and tampled upon and disposed when convenient. In fact that work will never be finished. And it is the reasons why our soldiers go to NS for!!! Not for these traitors and strangers who are undeserving.

It is the focus of the living (You/I natives SGreans) to dedicate here to the unfinished work which they have started. We have to lend them our voices or we will not have the next generation to lend us their voices, because everyone has been replaced.

Everyone MUST voice and speak out your unhappiness to this Govt, run by PAP.

STOP them now before it's too late.

auntielucia said...

Read the blow by blow account of an inexperienced FT hired by Sembawang Media to help develop games online...

http://imagethief.com/report-from-singapore/

ProDogTrainer said...

WATCH an example of Singapore's own Operant Conditioning...especially the 60%

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euINCrDbbD4&feature=related

Looking for Troy said...

The values of the ordinary singaporean differs from the values of the rich, the powerful and the politicians.

We see stagnation, marginalisation
They see money,power and fame.

Is there no one that will rise to this challenge to align values?

Everyday life goes on with nary a change. If any, its merely cosmetic.

Is there no one?

Anonymous said...

You might as well as ask for Straight Facts from a Statistician.

Anonymous said...

The NYTimes has a comment by Tom Friedman :

EVERY so often someone asks me: “What’s your favorite country, other than your own?”

I’ve always had the same answer: Taiwan. “Taiwan? Why Taiwan?” people ask.

Very simple: Because Taiwan is a barren rock in a typhoon-laden sea with no natural resources to live off of — it even has to import sand and gravel from China for construction — yet it has the fourth-largest financial reserves in the world. Because rather than digging in the ground and mining whatever comes up, Taiwan has mined its 23 million people, their talent, energy and intelligence — men and women. I always tell my friends in Taiwan: “You’re the luckiest people in the world. How did you get so lucky? You have no oil, no iron ore, no forests, no diamonds, no gold, just a few small deposits of coal and natural gas — and because of that you developed the habits and culture of honing your people’s skills, which turns out to be the most valuable and only truly renewable resource in the world today. How did you get so lucky?”

Turn around and look at SG. We are so lucky because we can import cheaper faster talents, instead of grooming our own human capital.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the healthcare tvc.

I very often wonder if our govt can be more forthcoming in terms of healthcare cost and maintenance for our people , this will no doubt help alleviate the burden and cost for young couples , thus helping to boost or enhance the desirability to have more children. As it is, the cost of taking care of parents health, plus own family & self, is already making it too much of a burden for the average Singaporeans. Unfortunately, this PAP is blind to its own deficiencies and stinginess. Imagine all it takes is to shave off 5% off from our Defense budget to healthcare, it would have made a lot of difference in the ground. And we would not have such dire situations of declining TFR, and tinkering around with all sorts of short-term baby incentives and bonus. And I am still convinced that it is not too late to reverse it.

Anonymous said...

I voted opposition.

Still living in this shit and gritting my teeth

I am so angry!

Anonymous said...

This is why I don't like our Pro Alien Politicians:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IvPIWzQcUY

Above is a 4 minute movie clip from the climactic scene of the movie "The Great Dictator".

Neatly summarizes everything I hate about the Pro Alien Party.

Anonymous said...

LKY was a close friend of late Chiang Ching-kuo,he said of that dictator turned democratic reformer,"He had no choice,he faced arch enemy Communist China and he needed the support of US to survive"-LKY may be right,he may be wrong,or he may say this to serve his own purpose.
Singapore is quite different from Taiwan:Due to complex historical background,Taiwan has jumped from dictatship(martial law) to liberl democracy,Singapore has stayed nominal democratic.
(1)Taiwan is Facing its traditional arch-enemy,China over the strait of Taiwan,China is still pointing about 1,500 missiles at Taiwan across Taiwan Strait.
(2)China is a world super power with a population of 1.5 billion whilst Taiwan has population of 23 million.
(3)Ever since Taiwanese businesspeople were allowed to invest in mainland China about two decades ago,there has been a hollowing up of its industry into China which has much cheaper land mass and population who are fellow chinese and speak the same language.
(4)Taiwan does not depend so much on investment from MNCs,but managed to build its own global heavy weights such as Acer,TSMC,HTC,etc
In its core industrial areas,it faced stiff world glass competition from South Korea,such as LCD.solar industy,etc
(5)Taiwan has managed a peaceful transition of power from KMT-DPP-KMT.It is now a matured democracy.
(6)Taiwan's politicians and bureaucrats are grossly underpaid in comparison to Singapore,in Singapore we over paid.
(7)Taiwanese politicians are facing strong pressure with its desire to exempt foreign workers from their min wage policy.
(8)Taiwan decided against the building of gaming dens and liberilasion of its financial sector,even there are obvious opportunities there now.
(9)Taiwan has lower Gini coefficient and a world class universal healthcare system covers everyone in the country since 1995.

Anonymous said...

auntielucia,

Thank you for reminding me about that disastrous hero Philip Yeo.

Anonymous said...

"Why Taiwan?” people ask.

Very simple: Because Taiwan is a barren rock in a typhoon-laden sea with no natural resources to live off of — it even has to import sand and gravel from China for construction... "
The correct answer should be Singapore. Why Singapore? Because it is a barren red dot constructed out of imported sand from Vietnam as Malaysia and Indonesia refuse to sell it sand and it even has to import talent to grow the GDP to pay its ministers millions $$$.

Anonymous said...

Anon 15:35,

"PAP and elites are just money-faced --- everything including dignity is measured by how big is your salary. Even secondary school kids know that nominal salaries, just like nominal exchange rates, are poor measures of quality of living.

If you really compare apples-to-apples, using Purchasing Power Parity to account for costs of living, you will find that the average Taiwanese is wealthier and has better quality of life than Sinkie. It's the same for average M'sian --- they are able to afford freehold property with title deed (which 80% of Sinkies won't have), able to buy 2 or 3 cars, able to truly retire by 60 yrs old at the latest.

In S'pore 80% of Sinkies cannot retire, unless they depend on their children for handouts. Unfortunately your children's future lives 20 years later will be even tougher than yours now. Will your children be able to afford your retirement??

8/4/12 15:35"

Why is it so many Singaporeans cannot get this into their heads?

Snark said...

As they say, 'Politicians can somehow use facts to tell lies'
Well their facts are usually half-baked, and their lies are completely bold-faced.

Anonymous said...

我听到政客讲了一个故事。

故事里的事,说是就是,不是也是。
故事里的事,说不是就不是,是也不是。

Ng Eng Hou said...

This Tharman is talking nonsense. He doesn't know Taiwan well, yet he talked as though he is an expert. Real joke that ignorant people like him can become minister.

Did he know Taiwan's boom in technology was due to inflow of talent? Many people in Silicon Valley coming back to Taiwan and started off the 1st wave of Taiwan tech boom. Taiwan doesn't need to follow Singapore's stupid type of talent import policy.

Anyway the reason for Taiwan's low starting salary for graduates is very complex and you can't explain this away with a sweeping statement as Taiwan practicing a close down policy on foreigners.

Before thinking and digging deeper into facts and blurting out such sweeping statement doesn't fit a person of minister status.

Who says Singapore has no talent? I think it is more correct to say our government has no talents!

Anonymous said...

unbelievable ! Pay millions, still get monkey !

uniquely singapore !!

Anonymous said...

I think Singapore really has not much good talents available lah, especially for the opposition.

If you say Tharman is not a good minister, then who is better to be able to win elections so as to replace him? Or better still replace the whole PAP govt?

OK lah, Lucky Tan is good but Lucky Tan just want to blog only and not available to be politician what.

Anonymous said...

Tan Jee Say is also very good what.

And he was also available to contest GE and PE but he is not even close to winning either!

Like that if good and available, got use or not?

So not only must be good and available but must also be able to WIN ELECTIONS!

That's where the 60% counts.

But if 3 or 4 corner fight, 35% can already lah.

Pataly Lighthouse_八达哩灯塔 said...

Thank you for your excellent article. Your thinking and common sense analysis is so much better than the DPM or any of those MIWs! Bravo!

Anonymous said...

Our ministers ALWAYS talk for the sake of talking. If they are guilty of justifying their million dollar salaries, than it will be wise for them to STFU! Picking selective countries to justify a shitty policies will not hide their flaws. If PAP policies are so great and marvellous, it should allow itself to stand the test and scrutiny instead of locking people who wanted to talk about it. Why so afraid of Yale NUS to discuss and debate about PAP policies? because PAP own policies suck and cannot stand on its feet. If GE watershed has any lesson to be learned, it is best PAP pick it up fast instead of living in denial of its failure. Period!

Anonymous said...

Just as the PAPies make us bleed...

Do unto others who do unto you...

Make them bleed too...

Make sure they go down together with us...

If we can't make them bleed...we will make those close to them bleed...

Make them bleeeeeed....

Anonymous said...

I am wondering why Malaysia did not take advantage on our current situation. We have one big group of experienced local talents in diverse industries. If they can harness this group of people it will be a poweful force to jump start any industries. All they need to do is set up something similar to Suzhou Industrial Park with schools, recreation, residences etc. This is a golden opportunity for Malaysia to attract real talents which had been displaced by this immigration policy. If only the country could get its act together this group can flourish and give their industries a boost.

Anonymous said...

You serve NS for 2 to 2 1/2 years. You serve reservists and ICT.

And you don't even get basic subsidised universal healthcare. And they lock your CPF.

So why are you still a citizen here?

'Cos you're daft.

Anonymous said...

You keep voting NON-POLICIES. What policies were you rooting for?

Flood loads of foreigners to take away your chance of even getting a job?

You must be daft.

Anonymous said...

So not only must be good and available but must also be able to WIN ELECTIONS!
Yah Loh. Lee Sien Long win elections but lousy captain. Plane on autopilot for so long almost crash already. Low Thia Kiang should slap pilot harder.

Anonymous said...

"
What has this country done to protect and ensure the well-being of its own citizens? NONE!!! "

This is a fact. From time to time, the government sends a "caring" message to school-going children that their edusaves is increased.

The politicians has a vested interest is young children. They are needed to vote them in again.

Anonymous said...

Singaporeans are so short-changed from their government. Super short-changed.

Better to be a taiwanese, japanese, malaysian, hong kee, bruneian, dubaian or korean.

Singaporeans are so short-changed.

They do deserve to be short-changed for their idiocy.

Anonymous said...

FACT : Taiwan's competitiveness lies in the strength of its talent, and foreigners in Taiwan account for less than 1% of the working population.

Why does Tharman choose to compare bad apples and oranges to justify his case? Using Taiwan as an extreme example against SG that has an extreme high 36-40% of the foreign population!!!

Stop patronizing the people here. We are talking about cutting back FT here or at least be more discerning in your talent selection, and he's talking as if we are saying to close off the door. Please 'fxxking' wake up and stop diverting the attention!!

Anonymous said...

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2012/04/07/2003529730/1

DPM Tharman is too smart to commit sloppy thinking, really. But he, like all PAP politicians, use this sort of semantic vagueness to deliberately muddle issues .

Anonymous said...

Mr Lucky

If u bother to read the article on Taipei times ... but even if u are correct, u and ur mob are celebrating the fact that the only minister who is any good selling out. Seriously, if Tarman performs at the level of your favorites(Lui, Cow, etc) we will be in deep shit.

In other news, u might be comforted to learn that Ms Seah has decided to learn from the "Lucky Tan's guide to winning an election"... bashing Xtians during Easter ... brilliant!

Anonymous said...

Even Monks - we are importing from china now...lmao

What is PAP going to say...that singaporeans don't want to be monks?

In another 1 more year, if they don't stop what they are doing, we will be importing beggars too.

Anonymous said...

/The politicians has a vested interest is young children. They are needed to vote them in again./

And who would the children listen more to ? The politicians or the parents ? Especially the lesson on left-right pocket & the nigerian scams are explained to the kids ?

Anonymous said...

/In another 1 more year, if they don't stop what they are doing, we will be importing beggars too./

But this has already happened.

In this country, talent is defined as anyone who has two legs and who knows how to land into singapore. The rot has already begun.

Anonymous said...

I work front line in the healthcare industry, and I come across so many foreigners holding an administrative "managerial" position (so says their employment pass) who can't communicate clearly in English. These youngsters are usually in their 20s to 30s, and come from third world countries like Myanmar, India or china.

These are talents that Singapore needs?

And when I think of how my sons will have to serve NS later, to protect the hdb flats of these foreigners, some of whom are actually overseas renting out their flats so that they can retire in cheap dirt home countries.

If there is an activist group to change the society in such a way that the leaders can wake up their ideas, that Singpaoreans can regain their sense of self worth, that this society will be fair again, I am sure my sons and I will join that group.

Anonymous said...

lucky it is time to restructure our minimalistic wage and sweet shops

Anonymous said...

Anonymous (9/4/12 21:28) has said that clever Mr Tharman uses this sort of semantic vagueness to deliberately muddle issues.I agree with you.

I also tend to agree that Taiwan has a rather restrictive foreign talent policy,and this may be a constraint to their GDP growth.

In the name of new spirit called by PM Lee,I hope Mr Tharman would make a fair assessment of the current situation and correct our Foreign Talent policy to an appropriate level,or give us his reason on why the Foreign Talent policy should be exerted to such ridiculous level.

theonion said...

Lucky

Well you seem to be taking sliceshot, the same as you decry the PAP MPs on some Oppo proposals, yet, when looking at the video, Tharman as stated, is looking into the context and answering it.

Further, looking at the blog Words of the Cze, which i think creates a better reply.

By the way, notice, my earlier comments were omitted but as you are the owner of the blog, that is your right

Anonymous said...

The reason why they hired FT is they don't want their employees to think. Who need thinking people when you can have production workers who does your beck and call. And why need pay they so much if all they did was to follow your superior being's thinking?

I absolutely loathe the fact they judge people now by the money they make, think every problem in the world can be solved by money and never held any respect for the people holding menial jobs such as cleaning and etc. This is the elitism attitude they have been building up ever since you were in primary school where they start the divide.

However, they often neglect the most successful people were often the ones who screwed education and went to do whatever they believe is right.

For a society that harps on perfect grades, money and suppressing wages for higher profits, there can never be increase in profit or productivity. They don't think out of the box. They think they are the smartest and ignore what the ground people tells or advise them. Hence why not hire FTs they are perfect for just that.

Anonymous said...

The reason why they hired FT is they don't want their employees to think. Who need thinking people when you can have production workers who does your beck and call. And why need pay they so much if all they did was to follow your superior being's thinking?

I absolutely loathe the fact they judge people now by the money they make, think every problem in the world can be solved by money and never held any respect for the people holding menial jobs such as cleaning and etc. This is the elitism attitude they have been building up ever since you were in primary school where they start the divide.

However, they often neglect the most successful people were often the ones who screwed education and went to do whatever they believe is right.

For a society that harps on perfect grades, money and suppressing wages for higher profits, there can never be increase in profit or productivity. They don't think out of the box. They think they are the smartest and ignore what the ground people tells or advise them. Hence why not hire FTs they are perfect for just that.

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Anonymous said...

I deal with Taiwanese businessmen in various industries and one of them have been offered Sg citizenship before. He turned it down because he thinks our healthcare policies are ridiculous, especially Medisave. In Taiwan, everyone pays about S$150 a year into a collective insurance, and it covers u for everything. Even if you times $150 with the total number of years you work, it will never exceed the crazy amount they lock up in Medisave. After talking to my Taiwanese counterparts and also friends who migrated overseas, i realsed that there are actually many cost-effective ways to give excellent healthcare without eating our reserves. My friends living in australia tells me that ultimately it is not because PAP has no solutions other than medisave to lock up so much of our own money, but they simply choose this way. Why? Only they know why.