Thursday, November 22, 2012

The importance of asking questions.

I would like first to applaud Minister Heng's decision not to announce the names of the top scoring PSLE students this year. Lets take away the focus on marks and focus our education system on learning. You walk around shopping centers, notice boards etc all you see these days are tuition centers advertising themselves based on the marks their students scored in the PSLE - what happened to learning and education?...the joy of learning?

Today the 2012 PSLE results announcement day so I will show you a PSLE maths question:


Most people will look at the question and quickly come out with the answer (3)25cm2. Simple right? Triangle SQR has an area of 45cm2 (half the large rectangle). Subtract the smaller 2 triangles from this area and you get 25cm2...which is the area of C.

It turned out this is not the answer. None of the multiple choice options gives the right answer. Why? There is no way to construct triangles SXW of area 4 cm2 and  QXU of area 16 cm2 no matter where you put the point X on the diagonal. If you're interested in the more complete explanation, the full discussion of this question among a group of parents on this found here. People will answer the question even if the question is wrong.

Our education system trains people to answer questions and find solutions to problems.  We forget thaty very often finding the correct questions and the problemsto solve is actually more important. Even before you rush to answer the question...do you have the right question?

A few years ago, I attended a course that ended with an exam. Nearing the exam, the Singaporean students started  to get anxious and kept asking the lecturer what would be tested and what would not - but the lecturer didn't want to
say anything about the exam - he told us to just concentrate on learning. About  4 weeks before the exam he announced that he was ready to talk about the exam in the next lecture. The following lecture everyone turned up, including students who had been missing from lectures for weeks - they expected the lecturer to give exam tips, talk about the structure of the exam paper etc. What they got was a surprise.

The lecturer told the class, his idea of an exam was very different from what the students had in mind. For his exam, the students would have to set their own exam questions! He divided the students to groups of 5 and each group had to come up with 5 questions. The 10 best questions that were generated by the students  would be used for the exam. To be able to set good questions, the students had to understand the subject matter much more that they if they were just trying to answer exam questions. Because it was advantageous for your own question to be chosen for the exam, the students got really enthusiastic about it....and the one thing I learned from this was you learn much more from asking questions than answering them in exams....and this is the key element of curiosity that is missing from our system that pushes everyone to focus on exams, answering questions correctly and answering more question correctly than the next person.

In an earlier posting about the PSLE, I wrote about how Israeli students rank 19 place behind Singaporeans at age 14 come roaring back to produce the best researchers and Nobel Prize winners [Link]. This is the one thing they do differently from us ...and this is the one thing we need to change in order to progress... not just for our education system but our society as a whole can benefit from asking the right questions.

Recently a survey showed that Singaporeans are the most emotionless people in the world:

“I think that in our striving for excellence such as the paper chase and career, we end up missing out on a lot of the other things in life. We end up becoming more apathetic to societal events and changes around us." - Luana Low[Link]


“If you measure Singapore by the traditional indicators, they look like one of the best-run countries in the world, But if you look at everything that makes life worth living, they’re not doing so well.” - Jon Clifton,  Gallup partner in Washington, feels that Singaporeans are sacrificing economic success and stability for what truly matters.[Link].

There is a touching video of a late plastic surgeon who after making tons of money and acquired much material wealth, came down with cancer....it was only when he time on earth was running out that started asking important questions about his  life ....[here is the video] ..when you chase after a dream, have you questioned if it is the right dream?

There was a time when Singapore was a developing country and most citizens were poor - so the answer was, without asking the real questions, to make more money. Today the questions and problems have changed, yet we are still feeding the old answers of money and GDP growth to our society. We are still told by leaders that so long as we keep GDP growing all our problems can be solved. But what really are the problems ...and the questions they are trying to answer? Our National Conversation started with one of our leaders saying that if we want X amount of GDP growth we need Y number new citizens every year,...and that's how things are often framed for us. But GDP growth is not the answer because we now face a new set of questions  - how do we make our society just and equal? how do we become more democratic? how do we care for our old and sick? what will make Singaporeans happier...? We have to get the question right before we start giving answers...

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Anonymous said...

We tend to think that logical deduction is the only way and solution to solve all problems. However as rightly pointed out, there are problems that require ingenuity, creativity, imagination, and only that bit of analysis to make it practical. Even in the work place, I see fresh young graduates asking about pay, welfare, work-life balance, thinking that their certificate is enough. Most do not understand that they are employed to solve problems, not sit there expecting to be fed, much like be fed with exam tips. Creativity comes from a learning heart that constantly seeks to find out and understand the root of the problem, so that an appropriate solution can be found. This process takes years of genuine learning and focus on the subject matter, and along the way experience and knowledge are gathered, both are ingredients to hone problem solving and decision making skills. Our young only knows about aceing exams, they wasted their young age time pursuing all the wrong stuffs...tragic indeed.....

Anonymous said...

"...how do we make our society just and equal? how do we become more democratic? how do we care for our old and sick? what will make Singaporeans happier...?"
Lucky Tan

Your questions are very right.

And the right answer is to replace the PAP with a better alternative. Because PAP don't want to change what.

You can have the right questions and answers but nothing has happened for the better.

It takes more than just right questions and answers.

So how? And what next?

Anonymous said...

"what will make Singaporeans happier...?"
Lucky Tan

Have more money lah, what else.

But how to have more money?

Be smart and make more money lah.

But how to be smart?

Answer??????



Anonymous said...

The answer is already written. Most don't know how to read.

Anonymous said...

"Progress is impossible without change,
and those who cannot change their minds
cannot change anything."

It is unfortunate that there are people who live their whole lives on the default settings, never realizing they can customize.

Any wonder why we are the the most emotionless person on this planet earth? Because you have allowed your left brain to overtake your right brains, suppressed it long enough, you don't even know how to express it "naturally" without fear or favor that you will get a call, lawyer's letter or offend somebody who is powerful and mighttiful. So everyone wears a mask...over time, numb enough they don't know what to feel anymore..until death knock on their doors.

Anonymous said...

Emotionless means COLD. Cold because the people are largely inarticulate or highly offensive when they open their mouths. Since they talk silly and made to feel silly when they do open their mouths, why talk? Everyone talks less and communicates less, the neigbors become unfriendly towards each other and naturally, EMOTIONLESS spread like a contagious disease.

Anonymous said...

The leaders don't like you to be emotional. Especially the feeling of rage and anger like you see emotional Taiwanese politicians in parliament. So everything must be handled in a cool manner or cool like cucumber.

The other thing good about being a cool cucumber is that it is good for sataying.

So Satay friendly yes( sucking up to people who only add value in your life) but respectfully friendly to each other( as equal) ...no.

Anonymous said...

The authoritarian govt does not want its young citizens to grow up asking questions. That's the only way an authoritarian leader can appear always right and all knowing. Even the greatest philosophers and thinkers are critiqued, but not our leaders. They must appear to be wise and all knowing and never be contradicted..

Right from investments in foreign banks to causes of low fertility, to why trays are not being returned after eating and to why Singaporeans are not innovative, our leaders must appear to be all knowing.

The academia and the journalist, the active citizens and undergrads, all must be kept silent so that one party can hold on to power forever...

Anonymous said...

1 party can hold on to power forever.
Whoever thinks so must be delirious or
hallucinating. All dynasty falls and some
nations vanished.

It is a question of how soon it will happen.

Ghost said...

I am against the idea of the PSLE mainly because at 12, the children are just too young to be sorted out. Hopefully, this move means the government are looking into phasing out the PSLE all altogether in the future.

Anonymous said...

I am in the midst of PLATO AND A PLATYPUS WALK INTO A BAR...by Thomas Cathcart and Daniel Klein. It is just the cup of tea for your kind of posts. You will enjoy it for sure.

Anonymous said...

Change is difficult when the those at the top of the hierarchy are the cream that the system can offer.

What Minister Heng has done is to open his eyes and ears. He has the courage to recognise that there is a problem, the intellect to construct possible solutions and the courage to try. So different ya?

Anonymous said...

"There is no way to construct triangles SXW of area 4 cm2 and QXU of area 16 cm2 no matter where you put the point X on the diagonal."
Lucky Tan

Why no way? If there is a way to win 93% seats with only 60% votes, of course there is a way.

The way is made by man, or rather by the PSLE examiners in this case.


Anonymous said...

"If there is a way to win 93% seats with only 60% votes, of course there is a way."
Anon 22/11/12 20:47

Unfortunately the way is only applicable to PAP, now or in future.

Anonymous said...

Juxtapose the questioning education of the Israelis and the authoritarian rule of Singapore. Are they compatible?

Which group is easier to rule?

Unquestioning citizens who are more concern whether their estates will get upgrading and property values of their estate, or a diverse mix of independent thinking talents whose concerns are not merely the bread and butter issues, but also larger questions in society?

Entrepreneurs,artists,inventors and scientists that push to boundaries of status quo do not shut of their questioning capacity just because it is in relation to politics.

Anonymous said...

Excellent !
U have proven that they are a bunch of idiots.

Anonymous said...

If PAP say that
A = 4 square cm and
B = 16 square cm,
then you have to accept this is correct even though this is wrong.

This is because PAP do not want you to know how to think so that you do not know how to question PAP.

If you do not know how to question PAP, then PAP can do what they like to do without being questioned by you.

This is the hard truth of PAP of being smart and cunning.

By the way, the correct answer is
if A = 4 square cm,
then B = 22.167 square cm.

Anonymous said...

President Ong Teng Cheong asked a question.
He wanted to know what he was protecting.
He did not want to be a rubber stamp or a blur sotong.
Look where that got him.

Vote Opposition first.
Then Opposition MPs can ask questions for you in parliament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ong_Teng_Cheong

Anonymous said...

if you ask too many questions, they will have too much headache. and after that, people will start to feel that they are just so so with maybe a little luck to be where they are.

Anonymous said...

This stupid 'wrong question yet people still want to force an answer' scenario ish living proof why we are stuck in a fugged up society.

We have a system in front of us, we want to know how productive this output ish.

Guy A: 20 if u look at it from the left side
Guy B: 25 if we look at it from the right side
Guy C: Something must be wrong if we have 2 answers. Means the system ish not perfect. Fine tuning ish required.

Guy D: No the system ish fine. We will reach an answer if we work hand in hand eventually.
The answer ish:
a. 23.78596840956094560945 if we exclude the fact that they are not really triangles,
b. 24.546363463453535 if the diagonal ish bent at an angle,
c. 22.54635963639 if the rectangle ish stretched to become a square and ....


Please stop letting Guy D get into politics. HE doesn't solve the problems. He ish making the problem worse.

Anonymous said...

Blind leading the blind

Anonymous said...

Why PSLE paper got such mistake? Assuming there is a typo and the length of rectangle is 12cm instead of 15cm, then answer would be 16cm2. But this is not even available in the choice. It appears there are more errors in the question. Many good students would be stumped and wasted time on something impossible to solve while poorer students might have given wrong answer thinking they are right. Bad questions penalise good students.

Amused said...

"The figure below shows a rectangle 15cm by 6cm."

I see quite a few rectangles in the figure. Which rectangle are they referring to? The people who compose the question are rather sloppy.

Anonymous said...

Based on the information given from the question, point S, X and Q are not collinear. That is, SXQ is not a straight line.

A secondary 3 student should be able to answer this question.

There are two possible answers, 44.2 sq cm or 5.80 sq cm correct to 3 significant figures.

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Anonymous said...

Hello Lucky: "We forget thaty very often finding the correct questions and the problemsto solve is actually more important. Even before you rush to answer the question...do you have the right question?"

Do we have the right question? That is a a difficult question.

At work, I think it is important to ask what is the question here. Too often at work, I see the managers responding to what their manager says is the question, and they will enthusiastically offer solutions to score points during appraisals. When it is pointed out that that was never a question (problem) in the first place or the question is wrong, the managers say, "Aiyah, never mind, I also know it's stupid, but boss ask, so only answer what boss wants."

Anonymous said...

Are you asking the right questions to the right people? Framing a question is just as important.
To say Singapore system lacks creativity is really funny because if so, we will be following other people system wholsale. Given that how unique our system is, you are not framing the question correctly too.
Singaporeans got no creativity to Geng in Army?
We may lack creativity in certain industry or in Maths or in certain areas. You may be better off writing specifically about Maths and Science, rather than one bamboo hits all.
You really don't do justice to our friends in the advertising, arts industry, who have significant achievements in the region, and some say around the world.

Anonymous said...

PSLE students, like what PAP loser George Yeo said, should go with the flow.

If they think too much like Lucky Tan, they are going against the flow and will not find the answer. And they may even fail the exam. Is it worth it? You say lah.

Go with the flow. You will pass. And you will make money.


Anonymous said...

In Teochew they said: Tee Kor liang, tee kor chauw.

Meaning: Sit where there is shade.

There is shade in answer Area of C= 25cm2

Lye Khuen Way said...

Seriously, whoever set that maths question has poor command of English (not surprising as we have very learned peers giving English Grammar a new Singapore twist) and rather "sloppy" grounding in mathematics when defining a shape.

Anyway, back to the gist of Lucky Tan article.
Just what are Singaporeans' concerns ?

The PM assumes that it was higher GDP, if I
read his NatCon agenda correctly.

Just do not know how to get across to those in power. Lucky Tan and many others have tried......

Oh! They are not aware of their posts, blogs... What a joke!

Anonymous said...

PAP along the way to carve out a better country for us has lost its way.
GDP, Wealth and returns are all that matters. There is no soul, empathy and character in our society unless you are willing to give up most luxuries in life to pursue a balanced life.

Veritas said...

Being a former educator, I have a bit of reservation about "asking questions". You can only ask meaningful questions after you have internalize a subject. For the top 10% of the students in SG, that should not be a problem. It probably has no problem in university also but I doubt engineering school could have fully implement this. In engineering school, very often even many students are not able to grasp some of the difficult concepts after getting As in exams.

For the NA/NT stream, the questions will quickly degenerate to taunts and insults against the teachers. Those who taught NA/NT stream will know that these students are "very good" in asking funny questions.

In no time, questions from gangster students will become something like "hey cher, you masturbate last time". I assured you I have heard students shouting this to female teacher.

Veritas said...

I remember a time when I was teaching one of top class in a school when I just started out. I was naive and believing in open intellectual discussion. The students sense it and took advantages.

In a logarithm lesson, one girl asked me to explain how come textbook say there is no "log -1".

I told them (log -1) actually exist in "imaginary domain" and she tries to act clever and keep pressing me to explain what is "imaginary domain". I told her its too complicated, but she press on aggressively even throwing arrogance words like "we must be inquisitive" and she incite the whole class.

Eventually I wasted 1 hours explaining things that everyone do not understand. Worse there are math teacher who do not understand this "log -1" thing come and tell me I told the wrong thing. (I can assure you many teachers in MOE are really so stupid beyond your imagination)

To have a inquisitive and interactive education system, I believe we must overhaul the whole system. Just implementing it by fiat will cause a lot of break downs.

In the western country system (other than Nordic countries), they produce 1% of genius at the expense that 99% of the people are really not so clever. USA people's maths are one of the worse in the world. Many ppl in USA graduated semi-illiterate.

In Europe, their elite "Gynasium" school are also quite high tension and students there also take information one way. My friends told me in Gynasium they got tortured big time as well. Anyway, I agree the the elite western schools are still more interactive than ours.

Veritas said...

My misgivings about our school system is more about other things. It is not so much about asking questions. It is more about PAP rigging of humanities. To be a free man, students should be inculcate world histories, philosophies and literature or even economics at high school.

At one time it is so bad, there is no world histories for high schools during my time.

Students do not know the exciting events and implications such as French Revolutions. Students are not enlightened by theories of Marx, Adam Smith (the A Level Econs inculcate the free market principals that has nothing to do with Smith but phonily claim smith mantle).

Even as a engineer, I think the most important characteristic of a nation is shaped by profound study of humanities in schools. Simply focusing on Maths and Science like what we do will only produce a nations of Robots and subservient monkeys.

With a background of humanities, one day people will be enlightened and they will think automatically. No one need to instruct them.

PAP just do not want that.

Anonymous said...

Nothing to do with humanities background to become enlightened.

It's about whether the system allow smart people to makes lots of money.

Then it's only human that smart people will automatically be enlightened to think how to make more money, rather than change or oppose PAP.

That's why it is hard to change PAP or become opposition.

But it is easy to oppose and criticise PAP as netizen. And that'why so many do so but of course no use lah.

Anonymous said...

Lucky, we know the papist Leegime is dam good in asking the wrong questions to create imaginary problems to confuse and then control the minds of Singaporeans. Lee Kuan Yew is a genius in this technique.

Kaffein said...

You have hit the nail on the head again, LT.

The crux of the matter we are facing in Singapore is:

- We are not encouraged to ask the right questions, or even ask questions at all.

How often do we see 'pre-setup' questions prior to a minister's visit, or televised broadcast? How often do We need to hand in our questions priort to the meeting so that the minister will not squirm during Q&A?

we, as citizens, thus will not ask the right questions and thus we do not expect the right answer from our leaders.

As in the recent NatCon (and also from other forums and media reports), our leaders like to return our questions without explicitly answering us. Even when they answer, they phrase it in such a way that confuses the man on the street by throwing up a whole other load of confusing questions to deviate from the situation at hand.

Think of our struggles when we highlight too many foreigners in our society. They answer by using big terms like market forces and globalistaion and GDP growth. That is NOT answering our questions and needs.

We citizens fail ourselves when we take their answers lock, stock and barrel without questioning how our leaders derive to those answers.

Kaffein

Anonymous said...

"We citizens fail ourselves when we take their answers lock, stock and barrel without questioning how our leaders derive to those answers."
Kaffein 23/11/12 11:59

Without questioning? So what difference does questioning made if they don't want to change?

Can they be voted out and replaced with a better alternative, that is the question.

Anonymous said...

The answer is that it's very difficult to vote out PAP and replace with a better alternative.

But you may ask, why it is difficult?

Answer is easy but action and happening is difficult.

Anonymous said...

Maybe PAP believe it is better to have rich and poor with wide income gap than everyone poor.

Ideally everyone should be rich lah. That would be perfect but there is no perfect society on earth.

Anonymous said...

This question can only be solved by assuming that the diagonal SXQ is not a straight line but two lines joined at point X and that the 15cm by 6cm rectangle in the question is PQRS.

Now, assign the following:
triangle A length SW as "a"
triangle A width WX as "b"
triangle B length VQ as "c"
triangle B width VX as "d"

With the given information, the following four equations and two inequalities can be set up:
ab/2 = 4; (1)
cd/2 = 16; (2)
a + c = 15; (3)
b + d = 6; (4)
a > b; (5)
c > d; (6)

Notice that we have four unknowns and four equations, therefore this question is solvable. First let's target to solve "a" by substitution method:

Sub (4) in (1):
a(6 - d) = 8; (7)

Sub (3) in (2):
(15 - a)d = 32;
d = 32/(15 - a); (8)

Sub (8) in (7):
6a(15 - a) - 32a = 8(15 - a);
3a(15 - a) - 16a = 4(15 - a);
3a2 - 33a + 60 = 0;
a2 - 11a + 20 = 0; (9)

Solving for "a" with quadratic equation (9):
a = 8.70 or 2.30;

From (1):
b = 0.92 or 3.48;

From (5):
a = 8.70cm, b = 0.92cm;

From (3):
c = 6.30cm;

From (2):
d = 5.08cm;

Checking inequality (6):
c > d (OK!)

Therefore area of rectangle C:
bc = 5.79cm2

Anonymous said...

Well said, Tatler. You made your point very well,
"But for some folks, we really have to keep it simple enough for a 4 year old to understand, with lots of pictures to illustrate." I agree.

What I see in Jim Sleeper's article is a critique on a authoritarian regime, written with finesse in the spirit of the liberal arts, and I welcome it,thank you Mr Jim Sleeper, Sir.

A patriot should not confuse his loyalty to nation with that to an authoritarian regime, who are a bunch of treacherous traitors that sold its people out inorder to cling on to power and wealth with a selfish agenda.
Gather our strengths and we shall overcome, soon enough,
and remove this parasite's den.

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http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?6321-Israel-Singapore-A-deep-dark-secret-love-affair

(A deep, dark, secret love affair)
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw05/040818id.htm

(Jim Sleeper As Yale's Blunder Deepens, Singapore Bares Its Teeth)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-sleeper/as-yales-blunder-deepens-_b_1569495.html

(Singapore Notes Military Spending)
http://singaporedesk.blogspot.sg/2012/11/military-spending.html

Joshua Chiang

Anonymous said...

I suggest the examiner put a prominent disclaimer stating that all diagrams are not drawn to scale.

Anonymous said...

hmmm...

If many PAP ministers are put to do the above mathematical question..

I bet u 100 percent they can't answer it too...so they do the usual weasel thing..

Like PAP DPM Teo...so what do you think?

"Smart" rite...more lile leetarded as usual.

Anonymous said...

you need GDP growth in order to derive the other things that you're talking about. Without economic growth, incomes as a whole cannot grow, and everyone will suffer.

Anonymous said...

"The important thing is not to stop questioning" - Albert Einstein. The lousy moe system is all about memorising model answers and then repeat them. No one ask question so very few can think deep enough or think out of the box.

Anonymous said...

anon 1559 - is GDP growth achieved thru huge debts and huge increase in foreigners a real growth? slow growth is better than fake growth. look at people these days, many having debts 1x,2x,10x,50x more than their fathers years ago, many feel insecure about their jobs- where is the real growth?

Anonymous said...

Why is everyone making such a big hooha over an error in a psle question. How is this even linked to our education system / our nation?

This question was made by a human, all human make mistakes.

Anonymous said...

Singaporeans are emotionless, and the sole person that fits this to a square must be LKY.

Many thanks to him & PAP for making us become a nation of emotionless people.

Anonymous said...

Who said they will stop making idol of grade diggers? Good in grades doesn't make one a good person.

Spit at your grades!

SINGAPORE - Gathered at Loyang Primary School in Pasir Ris yesterday morning were eager parents waiting for the release of their child's Primary School Leaving Examination (PSLE) results.

But one particular pupil, Jaren Pang, 12, had his three siblings - Jason, 21, Jamie, 19, and Jacob, 15 - with him.

The siblings are a close-knit bunch, having had to rely mostly on each other for support at home.

This is because their father died from intestinal cancer in May and their mother, the family's sole breadwinner, works long hours as a market vendor.

Jamie, a National University of Singapore business undergraduate, said: "We make it a point to be there for Jaren."

After his name was called in the school hall and he was handed his results slip, Jaren ran straight towards his siblings.

He scored an aggregate of 232, achieving straight As for four subjects, including an A-star for Mathematics.

Anonymous said...

Ever wonder why there are police and court?

Anonymous said...

Thank you for an insightful article, Lucky. Our millionsters don't have this kind of insight. Or maybe they don't want to know. Thank God that there are people like you.

Anonymous said...

We have to vote in more opposition so that policies can be thoroughly discussed and debated before implementing. Ministers will also be more careful in spending and overspending on things that are meaningless such as YOG, garden, casinos, public buildings, servants resorts etc.

Anonymous said...

This is by far one of the bbest posts you've written. You bringing the country back to basics.

Awakened said...

When you live in a bloody country that electrifies you when you speak what you know is right for the society, you get thumbed down. And everyone is complicit in this. This is not a country. This is a city state; one that doesn't allow you to do what you love. That's why Singaporeans are merely EXISTING and not LIVING their lives. It's about a job. It's not about passion. Singaporeans, through their silence allow the government to kill their joy to pursue and do what they love. It's the political apathy that is doing us in. Why are Singaporeans emotionless people? AS IS THE RULER, SO IS THE RULED. That's why. AS IS THE RULER, SO IS THE RULED. The sooner Singaporeans, and more and more of them wake up to this fact, the better it will be for all of us. Today's Singapore has the world's richest paid politicians but the most emotionless people. Our government's pockets are deep but hearts are empty and incompassionate. We are producing PAP prototypes that are living PAP's lives for you. Singaporeans' lives are a textbook. You can read it. Everyone is a cloned version of the state in one large form or another. What have we become? We need better leaders; one whose tongue does not always speak about money but about goodness, well-being, creativity, hope, compassion and love. Our government, on the other hand, believes: it is better to be feared than to be loved. So are we to be surprised, really?

Anonymous said...

"Why is everyone making such a big hooha over an error in a psle question. How is this even linked to our education system / our nation?"

why not ? since the maths problem is in an important exam where students are going to be rated or penalized if they have gotten the answer wrong, then the educational system must also be prepared to be rated & penalized if it has gotten something wrong.

TokyoSingaporean said...

Singaporeans are well-trained; they're not well-educated. There's a difference.

Anonymous said...

In Singapore, if you are too good, they don't need you. That's why you get 'Yes-man' in parliament.

Anonymous said...

Ong Teng Cheong was a threat to the Leegime. Tony Tan is not.

PSLE Lover said...

Here is a correct if inelegant proof of why the construction given is not possible:

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B2GHNbetOws8YjFIM04wMjRJMDA

Anonymous said...

This PSLE question underscores the importance of knowing when to keep trying and knowing when to quit because there is no solution.

Maybe that's why Sinkies emigrate.
Maybe that's why 40% of us voted Opposition.
PAP.
Maybe it's time to give up on PAP.
And rebuild Singapore around the Opposition Parties.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't matter PAP or opposition. Just go with the flow. With high property prices, the flow now is to make more money.

And please lah, if you are poor under PAP, you think you can become rich under opposition? Just ask the Aljunied GRC residents.

Anonymous said...

Singapore leaders are breeding people who are obsessed with grades that they become emotionless and follow orders stupidly.

The Japanese are proud to be Japanese. The Koreans are proud o be Koreans. The Americans are proud to be Americans but the Singaporeans are proud of Singapore Airline.

Anonymous said...

I think if the high priest wants to sue anonymous blogger, he has to also sue countless of anonymity who have made libelous comments all over the Internet.

Unjust and unfair just to target one.

Anonymous said...

Emotionless means COLD. Cold because the people are largely inarticulate or highly offensive when they open their mouths. Since they talk silly and made to feel silly when they do open their mouths, why talk?



The other extreme is ...
Since they talk smart and are too far out when they talk, why talk?

This is why a country should not be ruled by professors, scientists or scholars. Due to inherent difficulties, divergent personalities and background, these people have less in common with the ordinary people in the mainstream. "Emotionless", "COLD" and easily offendable/ uptight personalities are bonding issues when you get the wrong mix.

Anonymous said...

24/11/12 13:42

True.

We need to establish commonalities and celebrate LIFEl

Not in the name of meritocracy we are led to idolize the elites( especially parents who bought into our EVIL education system)

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Are PAP political bankrupts?
Losing credibility?
Losing trust?
Unable to forge a nation?

That's why only know how to focus on academic grades and money?

Anonymous said...

Hi Lucky,

I think this PSLE question raises a slightly different point than what you're making. I agree with your general point that the PSLE example brings home "the importance of asking questions". But it is less about finding the right question as you put it, and more about questioning the paradigm that is given to us.

First, the reason why none of the answers are correct is probably because the dimensions of the rectangle are wrong. If we accept that the area of triangle A is really 4sqcm and B is 16sqcm, then the dimensions of the rectangle should be 6cm by 12cm. Thus, the area of rectangle C is 16sqcm. If you draw out rectangle SPQR such that SW=4cm,WR=8cm,ST=2cm and TP=4cm, it's obvious. This also makes sense visually, since TPVX is a square (4cmX4cm) while C is a rectangle (8cm X 2cm).

So, what we have here is a case where the exam-setter gave the student the wrong info from the outset. But students usually don't question the questions, and "just follow lor".

But what if the received wisdom (i.e. the metaphorical dimensions of the rectangle) is mistaken in the first place? We will be chasing after phantoms....

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately in singapore if u wanted to get a degree u need to give the answer what the teachers or professors wanted and not ak questions and be deemed as a trouble maker

Anonymous said...

Ask the right question, yes.

But at the right time, right place and most important, ask the right people.

If not, better don't ask, even if the question is right.

Anonymous said...

Anon 24/11/12 21:19, you are right.

This also applies to doing the right things too, not just asking right questions.

Do the right thing at the right place, right time and most important, with the right people.

If not, better don't do, or else you may get into big trouble.

Sounds familiar? Hahahaha

Anonymous said...

and when you ask questions, the most common response is "you dont have to know, it's out of syllabus"

Anonymous said...

I noticed that the commenters on your blog are mostly marginalised stayers. They don't have the ability or network to emigrate and at the same time do not really feel economic threatened by the so-called foreign talent. They are the disengaged group who spends time rather than making effort to emigrate. Many Singaporeans have done so without surrendering their ICs. But these commenters on your blog are here to stay for a long long long time indeed. There is also one fool that speaks about patriotism.

Anonymous said...

Anon 24/11/12 22:22

Why you assume commenters in Lucky's blog stay here?

You mean cannot comment from outside Singapore, is it?

What happen to your brain?

Anonymous said...

Who knows that the one speaking about patriotism could be from the establishment.

Anonymous said...

Is PAP becoming increasing marginalized from mainstream Singaporean values?
Is PAP the real marginalized stayers who are unable to emigrate and make money overseas the old fashioned way?
By cronyism?

Anonymous said...

PAP will never live forever. It is only a question of time. Might as well exit for better....politics

Anonymous said...

"Anon 24/11/12 22:22

Why you assume commenters in Lucky's blog stay here?

You mean cannot comment from outside Singapore, is it?

What happen to your brain?"

I wrote: "...mostly...".

Perhaps it's someone else who is not thinking deeper enough. But there's nothing new, really. Singaporeans of your kind are usually the crude ones who as a previous poster commented too quick to shoot the gun and call others silly for making their own observations and speaking their own truths.

With disunited fools such as yourself staying afloat in Singapore, it'd be better for you to stay as no other country would take you on board.

And Happy National Day.

Anonymous said...

"Anon 24/11/12 22:22

Why you assume commenters in Lucky's blog stay here?

You mean cannot comment from outside Singapore, is it?

What happen to your brain?"

Somebody really is a marginalised stayer. LOL! How apt. Do something about your situation. Meritocracy doesn't exist in Singapore. It's just another propaganda. Cynicism, however, is rife as the government has lost touched with the ground and needs to put a show on it National CONversation.

Anonymous said...

The Lees will end. Better end with a ...bang...if yu know how that is

Anonymous said...

So how smart is the lees?

Anonymous said...

How smart is the lees?

It depends I guess?
Is that with or without crony support?

Anonymous said...

I think those who are poor and hence really marginalised in high cost Singapore, have no mood and time to comment anywhere, let alone Lucky's blog.

Because if you have or can make lots of money, how can you feel marginalised in Singapore?

And if you have the money, most likely you also have the mood to comment lah, tio bo? You may even vote PAP too, despite criticising PAP in Lucky's blog.

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How come I don't see PAP or opposition politicians commenting in Lucky's blog? Or other prominent personalities?

Except for ex NSP Goh Meng Seng quite some time ago.

And why so many Anons in Lucky's blog?
What can you say about these Anons, including me?

Fools, idiots, smart alecks, no better things to do, pot calling kettle black, or even smart Alecks?

What do you think?




Anonymous said...

There are too many Anons in blog comments.

And that's one reason why PAP will most likely win 60% votes and 93% seats again in 2016.

Anonymous said...

Yup, too many Anons but only one Chee Soon Juan.

Anonymous said...

The Commenter could be a foreigner,
otherwise, no reason for him or her to jeer a Singaporean for being patriotic.
He/She must be of the opinion that it is foolish for Singaporeans to be loyal to the Regime..

Sensible thinking.

Anonymous said...

A wise leader will leave behind a better system. A foolish leader will leave for another to ruin.

Anonymous said...

The bestest leader enriches himself and all his cronies?

Minghui Kuok said...

I think the biggest problem so far is as per what Lucky has said. The system required people to answer questions and not asking them.

It's just like playing a professional football match where the only way to play is to sit back and defend rather than to go for goal. In a very funny sense, I'm likening this situation to Sunderland's current form right now. Not much losses, but very little wins.

Within due time, we're being taught what kind of questions to ask instead of knowing how to ask question. This is due to us being taught how to answer questions, which in turn has created a system where we can only base our questions on the answers given.

The Taiwanese author Li Ao once gave a very controversial comment that had gotten every Singaporean up into arms years before.
He said Singaporeans are stupid because they didn't know how to think out of the box.
I used to get extremely angry back then, now I know what's truly wrong and what's truly correct.

We're an extremely academically excellent nation, but academical excellence alone won't get you anywhere beyond the Singaporean shores.

Still remember the kind of stuff popular bloggers like Xiaxue produce and how many people actually lapped up her posts like the truly thirsty? That's what happen when people are way too used to having things offered up in a silver platter.

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Are these PAP internet trolls being paid a salary with Singapore's taxpayer's money?

Anonymous said...

If there is Lucky Tan, there will be trolls.

If there is PAP, there will be opposition. Is the opposition being paid a salary?

And if PAP wins big, the opposition will of course lose big. And without being paid a salary.

Anonymous said...

Are these PAP internet trolls being paid a salary with Singapore's taxpayer's money?

Opposition not paid with taxpayers' money.

Anonymous said...

You don't need to be paid to be troll.

Just like you don't need to be paid to become opposition.

Anonymous said...

“I think in Singapore, if the PAP is not able to deliver, I think the politics will malfunction because it’s not going to be easy to put together another group to make Singapore work.”
PM Lee

Agreed. That's why PAP sure win again, Lucky Tan or no Lucky Tan, troll or no troll.

Anonymous said...

Nothing last forever, especially the egos of men

Anonymous said...

Better to have the foresight and exit. Make way for better things to come

Anonymous said...

“...the state had built about 25,000 new flats EACH years for the last two years even though there had only been about 15,000 marriages involving at least one Singaporean yearly. “ From The Straits Times 26/11/2012 page A8


“Hauling MBT to court to explain why only 26,000 flats were built during 2006-2010 while population increased by almost a million would be a better topic and more serving to the people of Singapore.” From one of the internet commentator,


If the above comment about only 26,000 flats were built during 2006-2010, is true, then our leaders are really irresponsible and are answerable to the high housing prices.

Anonymous said...

Don't think you are worthy to unloose the string on the sandal let alone stepping into the shoes

Anonymous said...

"If the above comment about only 26,000 flats were built during 2006-2010, is true, then our leaders are really irresponsible and are answerable to the high housing prices."

Flats may have been built but the crux of the matter is that a young singaporean couple needs to wait for at least 4 years to get a flat. The report failed to mentioned whether those who applied for a flat got it.

I believe there are 26 000 flats that were built. I believe there were 26 000 units that were built. 'Cos travelling across Singapore in a taxi at least 70 times a month for the last 5 years, I didn't see 26 000 flats being built. Just look around you.

Anonymous said...

"“I think in Singapore, if the PAP is not able to deliver, I think the politics will malfunction because it’s not going to be easy to put together another group to make Singapore work.”
PM Lee

Agreed. That's why PAP sure win again, Lucky Tan or no Lucky Tan, troll or no troll."

That's why we're not coming back to SIngapore as we dont' want to live with the shitty excesses of policies that seeks to make it work. Because by default, singapore is a goner. It has nothing. Not even fishes.

So the smart ones, don't curse their effort and labour in a tiny island off a southeast asia region. They think better and leave singapore. The young are already there. I hope the fools in their 40s to 55 years old move their asses as well. Don't wait till 60 like my cousins. They are cursing singapore today. They used to complain; today they are cursing.

Anonymous said...

"If the above comment about only 26,000 flats were built during 2006-2010, is true, then our leaders are really irresponsible and are answerable to the high housing prices."

There is no if. That's what happened. They prioritised sand for gambling centers and casinos over HDB flats.

They were not a responsible government. They blew millions of taxpayers money on the YOG? No? There are too many and too frustratingly too many to list.

Anonymous said...

“…the state had built about 25,000 new flats EACH years for the last two years” From The Straits Times Monday 26 Nov 2012 page A8

“Hauling MBT to court to explain why only 26,000 flats were built during 2006-2010 while population increased by almost a million would be a better topic and more serving to the people of Singapore.” From one of the internet commentator,

If the above comment about only 26,000 flats were built during 2006-2010, is true, then we demand an answer from our leaders: Why only built about 5,200 flats per year during 2006-2010 if we need to built about 25,000 flats per year during 2011-2012?

This could be the reason why our housing prices are geting higher and higher.

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But Mr Lee stressed that there are tradeoffs to every decision." If we didn't have to make choices and tradeoffs, we will just have a menu, I just take out all the things I like - more relaxed life, a higher standard of living, more space, more income, more overseas holidays - and you just tick off and it will be delivered to you. And if you have oil gushing out of the ground like some countries do, you can tick off quite a lot of things and you will get your dinner," he said."But in Singapore, there is no oil gushing out of the ground, we have to choose. Every choice you make has a tradeoff. There's an upside, there's a downside. Doesn't mean it doesn't make a difference, we have to find the right one. But you must decide what is the price are you prepared to pay."

you understand the above?

Anonymous said...

"Every choice you make has a tradeoff. There's an upside, there's a downside."
PM Lee

Luckily for PAP and PM Lee, 60% agreed that there is more upside than downside to have PAP as the choice.

Anonymous said...

Vote SDP and make Chee Soon Juan as PM in 2016.

And will there be more upside than downside?

Only 60% can answer that, when the time comes. Or ask the fortune tellers lah.

Anonymous said...

What is the upside of voting PAP?
High car prices?
High HDB prices?
High students to teacher ratio?
High CPF Minimum Sum?

Anonymous said...

You take the bait you will always be beholden to the elites

What national conversation? There is only one choice.

Go read again....

Anonymous said...

There is no National Conversation.
There is only PAP Conversation.
They talk.
You listen.

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An attempt to identify all the anonymous bloggers?
Co-opting Lucky Tan into the elite establishment?
So as to discredit Lucky Tan?

Anonymous said...

I think the below fits to a T...

The pappies are intelligent..paper wise...

As to truely wise and street smart...they are not...

These pappies can only survive in a PAP controlled singapore..

And this is call "living"?

Pity the fools.

Anonymous said...

If the PAPies could survive outside of Singapore, they would have left us a long time ago, for greener pastures overseas.
You think they stay in Singapore to look after us?

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Anonymous said...

It is hard to defeat PAP in an election because the opposition is not strong.

If I were the PAP, I would just watch the opposition, not Lucky Tan's blog, to see if I need to worry or not.

For example, if SDP led by Chee Soon Juan can contest 100% seats in GE 2016, then as PAP, I would be very, very worried.

But looking at the opposition now, of course no worry lah. Let the 40% cowpeh cowbu until the cows come home lah.


Anonymous said...

Opposition now are like idiots, where opposing PAP is concerned.

Anonymous said...

You won't be sued for calling government, opposition, or anyone idiots.

Anonymous said...

"But looking at the opposition now, of course no worry lah. Let the 40% cowpeh cowbu until the cows come home lah."

really ? someone already talked like he is preparing for red and blue constituencies.

Anonymous said...

"If I were the PAP, I would just watch the opposition, not Lucky Tan's blog, to see if I need to worry or not."

if you look @ your right, those from the left may appear suddenly n if you look @ your left, those on the right may appear suddenly. the same goes from the right and back. hougang has been watched in the BE and they have lost.

watch yourself as sometimes the problem may lie more with yourself than others.

Anonymous said...

"Anon 26/11/12 22:50 Opposition now are like idiots, where opposing PAP is concerned."

An idiot like you don't seem to understand the job of an opposition is to oppose.

Anonymous said...

Are any of you aware that the math problems at PSLE exams are more complicated than Sec 4 NA Maths and Sec 4 Express Emaths and Amaths? MOE really screwed up big time for many years. But there are too many yes-men at HQ who cover this up.

Anonymous said...

by loooking at the diagramm. Consider the diagonal line is correctly drew, then we will have triangle B as an enlargement of triangle A. Since the area of B is 4 times the area of A, the length of XU = 2* SW. QU = 2 * XW.

with that, SW = 5cm, XU = 10cm. and QU = 4cm and XW = 2cm. The area C is then XU * XW = 20 Cm^2

Anonymous said...

the main problem of the question was that the ratio of the area B to A was corrrectly given. but the dimension was wrong. If changed to B = 20 cm² and A = 5cm². you can really draw it on a paper and the area C is really 20cm².

Anonymous said...

the main problem of the question was that the ratio of the area B to A was corrrectly given. but the dimension was wrong. If changed to B = 20 cm² and A = 5cm². you can really draw it on a paper and the area C is really 20cm².
Anon 27/11/12 06:35

You are going against the flow. You are not smart. Hence you may not even pass PSLE Maths.

And for not being smart, you will also never become a better alternative to the PAP.

Anonymous said...

"MOE really screwed up big time for many years."
27/11/12 02:08

The root of the problem, in fact all problems, is due to the opposition screwed up big time every election.

Anonymous said...

Trying to solve the badly constructed PSLE maths problem by yourself is like "subsidizing" MOE.
Challenge MOE to publish the solution to the problem they created.
Why do we need to be "constructive" and solve a problem MOE created in the first place?

Similarly.
Why waste time with NatCON?
Why "subsidize" PAP by talking to them?
They create the problems.
Let them come up with the solutions.

Anonymous said...

Why waste time with NatCON?
Anon 27/11/12 08:50

Why not? Because you also waste time commenting in Lucky's blog what. Sama sama lah.

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Anonymous said...

Sir,

I'm a teacher for almost 10 years now with MOE and my experience has been that it's not about asking questions. Rather it's about sieving potential scholars out of the masses to run the team. To do this, schools look at cold results. MOE's education philosophy is not about improving the world that we live in; it's not about results and PISA ranking. It's about getting our kids a job too.

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Anonymous said...

"Rather it's about sieving potential scholars out of the masses to run the team.'
Anon 27/11/12 21:48

Yup. It is easier to make lots of money by being a scholar.

But you can still make lots of money not being a scholar. But of course much tougher lah.

And the toughest of all is to be a better alternative to the PAP.

So you see, the choice to make lots of money is obvious.

That's why it is so pressuring for students and parents to do well, even at PSLE. Because that's the starting point to become a scholar.

Anonymous said...

No wonder few want to join opposition to be better alternative to PAP.

And so after so many years, there is only one Chee Soon Juan left.

So can win or not?

Anonymous said...

"@Anon 27/11/12 08:44 The root of the problem, in fact all problems, is due to the opposition screwed up big time every election."

Really ? Daft sinkies screwed up themselves big time in every election. This is the root of the problem. Maybe they will slowly wake up and beginning to see clearly. Yes slowly before it is too late. Haha.

Anonymous said...

/Anonymous said...
No wonder few want to join opposition to be better alternative to PAP./

the tide is already rising for many to join opposition, if you have not already seen it. the tide will just rise when it is time irregardless of whether it is a good time or bad time.

Anonymous said...

Students find Sec 4 Additional Math problems easier to solve than PSLE math problems.

I wonder who insisted on making PSLE math more difficult than O Level math problems?

Anonymous said...

"I wonder who insisted on making PSLE math more difficult than O Level math problems?"
28/11/12 03:13

Alamak! You don't know why ah?

Want to choose scholars must start as early as possible mah, tio bo?

So start at PSLE lah.

Can also start at kindergarten but that is too early lah. Some more kindergarten not all are under gahmen or MOE control what.

Anonymous said...

All this talk about revamping the Education system is nothing but lip service. Not naming the top PSLE students or not ranking schools is nothing but half measures, ultimately the system is still entrenched is elitism. This will always be the case as long as MOE has a huge department gathering to the so called "Gifted Education Branch". In essence they might have renamed this branch or have stopped publicity of the programme but it is still in operation. So called "Gifted" students are tracked all the way to adulthood.

Anonymous said...

All this talk about revamping the Education system is nothing but lip service.
Anon 28/11/12 16:21

But at least better than nothing lah.

And maybe the daft will think it is a big deal some more, hence will vote PAP lah.

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Anonymous said...

Please don't revamp the education system. A lot of teachers are promoting faster or getting bigger bonuses by neglecting teaching and focusing on non-teaching duties to boost their annual work reviews. The tuition business is also flourishing and lots of full-time and part time tutors and tuition centers are earning good money. A lot of teachers also aspire to be promoted to supt or director or some useless leech at MOE HQ, far away from the schools. Don't upset the apple cart just because you are feeling all self-righteous, okay?

Anonymous said...

"A lot of teachers are promoting faster or getting bigger bonuses by neglecting teaching and focusing on non-teaching duties to boost their annual work reviews."
Anon 1/12/12 02:34

These are the smart teachers. That's why they are making more money than other teachers.

And these smart teachers definitely won't join the opposition.

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