Saturday, January 05, 2013

AIM-PAP Saga : Just too many unanswered questions...

There is so much online and offline discussion on the topic and a whole pile of unanswered questions piling up when Dr. Teo HP promised an explanation. Unfortunately, the explanation was highly unsatisfactory and the unhappiness surround the issue rocketed. Singaporeans depend on town councils to provide essential services at an affordable cost would like more transparency and accountability on this matter and greater clarity and more data  will certainly help us to make a better assessment.

It is unfortunate the threat of defamation lawsuits came so quickly when there are so many legitimate questions still waiting for answers. The concerns of Singaporeans have to be satisfactorily addressed otherwise there will be a further loss of trust.

In page 6 of today's The New Paper one of the companies that collected the tender document, Hutcabb Consulting, shed some light on what was in the documents. Hutcabb Consulting has an office located in Jalan Kilang and counts the Attorney-General Chamber and Ministry of Foreign Affairs as its clients:

Chief Executive of Hutcabb Consulting, Mr. Oliver Tian told The New Papar that his company did not bid for the software because the town councils did not provide sufficient information about it in the tender document.

"It was very hard to make a decision based on what was provided. After paying more than $200, we simply got a thin stack of documents and the town councils were unable to provide us with more information" - he said

- The New Paper, Pg 6, 5 Jan 2013.

For the tender process to work successfully and fairly, companies have to be provided sufficient information to put in a bid. In this case, the tender involves the purchase a custom software and specifications have to be sufficiently detailed so that companies can value the system and put in a competitive bid.  Other netizens have found the tender notice[Link] to be vague and lacking in details. It is not clear if the termination clause was in the original tender document as a requirement or added to the contract after AIM won the tender.

There is a long list of questions that can be answered if the PAP govt has nothing to hide and make public all the relevant documents.  This is a matter that affects many ordinary Singaporeans and they need to know is public interest has been served and all measures to safeguard their interests have been undertaken.

102 comments:

Anonymous said...

What interest is more important than safeguarding the Leegime's interest? 60% approved it. tio bo?

Anonymous said...

Defamation suits here are not won by those who are innocent, but by those who can afford to fight an expensive lawsuit.

Many of us felt that Alex Au had asked legitimate questions of public interest

Anonymous said...

Respect is something PM Lee has to Earn NOT Demand by threaten to sue his critics till pant drops.

Lye Khuen Way said...

Lucky, you were not wrong to hold the view, that you should not reveal yourself.
The PAP has only itself to blame, trying to push away questions and when not too many believe them, resort to lawyer's letter.
Yes ! Respect is, as the PM, a BG should know is earned. Men paying compliments are only acknowledging the rank.

Anonymous said...

60% approved it. But Aljunied only 40% approved so 100% screwed tio bo?

Anonymous said...

When we really disrespect the boy, we ignore his rank.

Anonymous said...

This SCANDAL is spinning out of control unlike PalmerGate. When they start suing people, they are just showing their weaknesses. When they become panic, they will start arresting people...

Anonymous said...

Your laws have now been given extended tentacles to "serve" the public...lol....good luck

Anonymous said...

Thank you Lucky for the tracking,cheers

Anonymous said...

I believe despite the unanswered questions, the suing of Alex Au by PM Lee, despite whatever lah, PAP will still win at least 90% seats in the next election.

Only when the opposition become one party with one leader, say Chee Soon Juan, and contest 100% of the seats, only then will the 60% respect them. And of course vote for them lah, just like they voted PAP.

But of course this is impossible lah, even by 2016.

That's why if I were PAP, why should I answer those questions?






Anonymous said...

If Lucky Tan, instead of just blogging, is able to form and lead a party and contest 100% of seats at the next elections, I believe also got hope in GE 2016. PM Lucky Tan, that is.

The Pariah said...

First, Teo's press statement showed he was Hopin.

Next, Fu's FB posting confirmed she was DisGraceFu!

The Silvia Lin-ing that was certainly not their AIM is the abiding public interest in this continuing saga.

Betcha that someone will say soon: "Let's move on".

Anonymous said...

If I were PAP, where would I find answers to those questions? Impossible lah, tio bo? Sue lah. Worked in the past leh

Anonymous said...

The only route to take now would be to exercise our vote in 2016

Cant change the libel laws
Cant stop them from using it
Cant compel them to answer questions
Cant prove wrong doing
Cant make remarks that suggest negative

The lesser of 2 evils... vote other parties.

Anonymous said...

with the bad past publicity involving IT contracts scandals, naturally people are concerned again. IT procurements have become the new white collar opportunities of choice as the intangibility of softwares and lack of physical attritutes for mark to market costing can lead it be abused under guise of upgrading and system renewal.

Anonymous said...

Apparently pinky think that he has the answer which is a lawyer letter to stop further probing into AIM's issues. Either Pinky must be daft or the singies are daft to think that this issue will go away.

Anonymous said...

All this indicates that there will be no by-election in Punggol East.

Anonymous said...

It is very clear that the pap is unable to effectively and efficiently manage town council. They mess up. They are wasteful and don't know what they are doing. So residents end up paying more unnecessarily. That is why pap town councils are charging more than opposition town council. The choice is clear.

Anonymous said...

Congrats, Mr Alex Au of Yawning Bread

http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/01/05/congrats-mr-alex-au-of-yawning-bread/

Anonymous said...

In our opinion, Alex asked legitimate questions and instead of getting satisfactory answers, he was being threatened and forced to apologise instead. This is sickening! We support him and we despise those big bullies.

Anonymous said...

Specially for you, LT.

GEBIZ tenders can be worked in 2 ways. Vague or detail. If the quotation is vague, you can get a desired company. But other companies will ask why other details were not mentioned. So you can write a super detailed one which you know the desired company can only offer and your desired company gets.

Which one do you think this case refers to?

Anonymous said...

Holy cow!
Why so quiet?
Are you coming clean soon?
Why are we waiting?
Praying to Buddha to forgive your hypocrisy?

Anonymous said...

In substance, this is no different from shifting control of public assets to PA after losing the elections. PA is PAP short of a P. Worrying thing is what they can turn around and say about other assets like sovereign reserves? Will party leadership one day say this is party assets too?

Anonymous said...

How sinisterly "sophisticated" the attempt was aimed at with a ..

o 2dollar shell/dormant company
o shoddy tender content and process
o one and only - AIM - bid
o sale and leaseback
o timely termination notice on AHTC

More tongue twisting and wriggling coming?

Anonymous said...

Some Key Questions;
+++++++++++++++++++

Does anybody remember the sale of the following assets belonging to Singaporeans:

SingTel
Our power plants
Changi Airport
MRT
POSB

I'm pretty sure there was no $2 company involved.
But I can't remember the details of the tender process or who we sold these assets to.
Anybody with any idea?

Was the Singapore President also involved in authorisiing the sales?

Anonymous said...

Win 60% mandate and 93% seats.

Win by elecions, if any.

That settles all questions.

But can the opposition do that? Is the opposition as strong and united as the PAP?

If not, just too bad lah.

So carry on blogging lah
So carry on commenting lah.
So carry on cowpeh cowbu lah.

Anonymous said...

Lucky, can you identify yourself? We would like to sue you into silence. We got more money and more resources at our hands. We could sue you for slander regarding any topic, and probably will win hands down. Or at least make you waste lots of money in defending yourself.

Anonymous said...

Somehow there needs to be an over haul or thorough review of the govt departments. Apparently years of complacency has allowed the rot to fester and grow worse.

Hope there will be visible changes seen soon. A good starting point is the general appearance and cleanliness of the public areas around the heartlands.

Anonymous said...

Key Question
+++++++++++++
Was there an open tender for POSB?
Did the Singapore President approve of the sale?

Anonymous said...

So many questions.

But how to win over the 60% from the PAP, that is the ultimate question.

And of course if you are able to answer, will also be the ultimate answer to all the questions.

Anonymous said...

Dr Teo's shortcomings are starting to show big time!

Anonymous said...

/// But how to win over the 60% from the PAP, that is the ultimate question. ///

The PRC drivers showed Singaporeans how to strike.
The new citizens will teach Singaporeans how to vote wisely.

Anonymous said...

Lucky,

It's getting uncomfortably hot now. See Sylvia Lim statement posted at TRE -

http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/01/05/aljunied-hougang-town-councils-response-to-teo-ho-pins-aim-statement/

A few observations -

1. AIM uses a hotmail account for correspondence.
2. AIM uses PAP HQ address and fax number for correspondence.
3. A nameless "director" terminated the contract with AHTC.

How can this be an established IT service company with a track record but a sham? This scandal stinks to high heaven. Is the setup to sabotage the takeover of a GRC by an opposition party or to pilfer money from constituent to benefit AIM backers? Hopefully, we will find out soon...

Anonymous said...

Teo should address ALL the concerns before I make any judgement.

Anonymous said...

I fully agree that it is a dissappointing start of the year when PAP simply ignore the fundamental interest of the residents in PAP town. I wish my town belongs to opposition party though they nearly win by close margin. The good news is, everyone seems to be talking about the AIM saga in my town area and those old uncles/aunties were shocked when the net savvy ones told them about it.

Anonymous said...

3. A nameless "director" terminated the contract with AHTC.
Anon 6/1/13 12:24

There seems to be a "f" letter written preceding the Director title and signature.

Is it signed "for Director"?

It is a practice for juniors signing on behalf of their seniors and superiors by writing f in front of the title and name of the senior.


Anonymous said...

If a company has only 3 directors and part time staff, so the part time staff can sign for director?

Anonymous said...

Maybe they also outsource the signing of the director's signature to another company?

Anonymous said...

Key Question:
++++++++++++
What is a "PAP company"
See Channel News Asia article below:

"But as a PAP company, we wanted to be helpful to the PAP Town Councils."

"Also, Dr Teo said AIM backed by the PAP would honour its commitments."

How many more PAP Companies are there?

Anonymous said...

Key Question is:
+++++++++++++++++

Sorry. Left the link out.
The Channel News Asia link is below.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1245602/1/.html

Anonymous said...

It is easy to form a $2 company.

But it is hard to get experienced and reputable people to be directors of the company.

But if can get, then it will be easy to do business, even though it is a $2 company.

Anonymous said...

It is easy to form a $2 company.

But it is hard to get experienced and reputable people to be directors of the company.

But if can get, then it will be easy to do business, even though it is a $2 company.

Anonymous said...

$2 is not the issue. It is who the directors are.

I can set up a $1 million company but I may not be able to do business as well as a $2 company. I may even fail in my business but the $2 company can be very successful.

Anonymous said...

The most important question arising from all this is can Temasek be one day sold to a $2 company controlled by PAP for a song?

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Anonymous said...

Unclean.

Anonymous said...

When it is unclean, just sweep it under the carpet.

Presto, the dirt just disappear and everybody is going to live happily ever after. All is going to be forgotten.

Paradise again. Still white and clean. Let's move on.

Anonymous said...

"Teo said AIM was considered because “we were confident that AIM, backed by the PAP, would honour its commitments.”

We have here a prime, shining example of Singapore's system of meritocracy. A company, helmed by meritocratic directors, winning the Town Council's tender should not be questioned by anybody because what makes Singapore works is unquestioningly Meritocracy. Experience, expertise and adequate capitalisation and staffing are not material when having 3 meritocratic directors holding proxy for the meritorious ruling party is what really counts. Similarly those who dare question the appointments to Temasek Holdings also deserve a letter from the PM's lawyer lest the citizenry forgets that Meritocracy is the bedrock for the foundation of Singapore; and No Question about it.

Anonymous said...

The PAP is harping on who terminated the contract first and obviously trying very hard to distract Singaporeans from the main issue, which is why the need to sell an asset belonging to 14 TCs, developed and paid for by residents to a PAP controlled private $2 company.

Anonymous said...

It is obvious that PAP is up to no good hidding so much details. PAP can no longer be trusted to handle the taxpayers' monies and for that matter there is a strong suspicion that PAP government has cheated the elderlies and retirees of their hard-earned CPF monies.

Anonymous said...

///The PRC drivers showed Singaporeans how to strike.
The new citizens will teach Singaporeans how to vote wisely.///

And when new citizens form a large enough critical group & size, they will teach sinkies how to play and run REAL politics. Hahahaha.

Anonymous said...

Before AIM:
PAP asked Singaporeans "Where is the money going to come from?"

After AIM:
Singaporeans ask PAP 'Where is the money going to?"

Anonymous said...

But what so material about the change in ATC after May 2011 that AIM see it necessary to terminate the computer system service with short notice?

More blocks of HDB flats? TC under WP don't want to pay or pay less? WP don't want the system?

Even if WP don't want the system, at least give more time lah. Cannot meh? Why WP said must fight for the extension?

Anonymous said...

Imagine, over computer software already fight like mad and has to resort to suing and god knows what else. If any other party takes over the current regime....orchard road will be flooded in blood!

Well, live by party rule and die by party rule.

Anonymous said...

If people did not give them the mandate, they would not be able to do so much screw ups. There is this cause and effect relationship.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Any party that takes over the incumbent must take over all the major institutions...including the judiciary and the army. You think that's going to happen?

Anonymous said...

Let's ask Nelson Mandela.
Can it be done?

Anonymous said...

Nelson didn't have to deal with the whiter than white pap

Anonymous said...

Nelson Mandela spent 27 years in prison.
All you have to do is to vote Opposition.
And to convince one of your friends or relatives to also vote Opposition.
Just one.

Anonymous said...

Needless to say, from the company's name, a layperson who know simple English will know it is to "aim" some body. Who to aim? Of course any opposition parties who take over PAP.

Anonymous said...

Beware of this yeoh lian chuan guy on Facebook. He is a pile of shit from pap ib. And a lawyer running dog that goes around trolling and defending pap. Do not add him to your fb!

Anonymous said...

Daddy, daddy!
My white uniform has become soiled and dirty.
Daddy, daddy!
How ah?

Anonymous said...

The tender document for Brompton Gate was meant to deter the other bidders and favour some particular bidder. See the similarity? If so, the system must be truly pervasively and systematically rigged.

2) What does conflict of interest mean to the PAP? Basically nothing! PAP could not care less to declare this conflict of interest to residents and taxpayers, and surely since AIM has existed for 2 decades, there must be numerous other cases of breach of governance. In listed companies, related parties transaction are clear signs of corruption which benefit the conflicted parties and a clear sign to dump the shares, like all the S-chips and Indonesian family vehicles. What can we say about the PAP and the government (since Brompton and town councils are the government's responsibilities as well)?

3)Third point: AIM benefited from this arrangement financially. Is this illegal? Yes if the residents and taxpayers were worse off now that AIM has been inserted into the town-council relationship with NCS, which remained the same before and after AIM cam about.

Anonymous said...

If AIM can be brought in without declaring, then are any other contractors and suppliers used by the PAP town councils also related to PAP or related to its officers? In view of the incessant increase in town council fees, MND and HDB must conduct a full audit of all PAP town council relationships with each and every supplier and publish this report annually. A law must be passed to specify clearly what punishment would be meted out for abuse of supplier relationships that conflict with public interests.

Anonymous said...

When I read about AIM, the first thing that came to mind was the HDB contractor who cheated me by buying all the tiles from his own tile trading company which came up to 20% higher than if they had bought from a third party. Also reminds one of all the undertable money in UMNO and Indonesia and China, and the Indian police who close an eye even when gang rape was going on under their nose. Sad day for Silliporeans, esp the 60%.

Anonymous said...

Anon @08:31,

I am sure there are existing laws against such transactions. But can you imagine someone prosecuting himself/herself?

Anonymous said...

Daddy, daddy!
Everybody thinks my white uniform has become soiled and dirty.
Daddy, daddy!
How ah?

Anonymous said...

It is fair that LHL lead the party to exit from power. For all the evil things his father and the pap did to Singaporeans during their enforced and extended stay in power. Overdue.

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Anonymous said...

Quote,
": Clarification from the Minister. Does any serving minister who turns 55 actually receive both salary and pension at the same time? If yes, should he be serving?

Mr Lee Hsien Loong: I believe the answer is yes. That is the rule for the civil service, and the ministers follow the civil service rules.

(This may be the "rule", but is it morally right?")
(Source: Parliamentary Debates, 2004)" unquote.

-----------------------------------

Constitution of The Republic Of Singapore
PART VI

Disqualifications for membership of Parliament

45 - (1) Subject to this Article, a person shall not be qualified to be a Member of Parliament who
(c) holds an office of profit
...................................
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Anonymous said...

Before AIM:
PAP asked Singaporeans "Where is the money going to come from?"

After AIM:
Singaporeans ask PAP 'Where is the money going to?"

Anonymous said...

Silly to sue. By suing it proves nothing because the facts still speak for itself. Furthermore, it changes nothing because netizens are used to the worse form of corruption charges leveled at pap.

Anonymous said...

this AIM episode showcased how the amazing sleuthing successfully undertaken by the collective intelligence can shred to pieces well-scripted and polished defense, a defense undoubtedly constructed by high-priced first-class lawyers intended to help explain away the any lingering doubt surrounding the incident, a defense prepared and rehearsed during the three days before the official rebuttal was published. And yet, more questions and inconsistency regarding the official reply have been exposed by concerned netizens who absolutely looked unde every rock and left no stone unturned in, effectively putting the alleged wrongdoers in a predicament worse than before. It does seem, at least in this case, that the wisdom of crowd has triumphed, and those who intend to pull wool over the public's eye will think twice before doing so, lest they end up in a worse situation than they started with.

Anonymous said...

60% voters (or whatever % greater than 50) is the ultimate power.

Not the PAP, not the opposition and definitely not bloggers and their commentators.

So of course whichever party that can win over the 60% will win ultimate power.

So take action. Enough words already.

Anonymous said...

SDP doing walkabout in Punggol East. Huat ah!

Anonymous said...

Huat ah??

For who???

Anonymous said...

AIM is no big deal when compare to those people locked up under ISA for no reason. The people will still continue to give pap the mandate to do anything they want.

Anonymous said...

/// The people will still continue to give pap the mandate to do anything they want. ///

Agree.
So please go tell your PAPig master that he's got nothing to worry about.
The Punggol East By election.
PAP sure win.

Anonymous said...

60% was LED or are followers. The political course was decided a long long time ago and the people just follow blindly.

The other 40% are no better given the option. All bodoh!

Anonymous said...

Reminds me of church.....the leaders only skill is talk talk talk...and the stupid sheep pay pay pay....were told by leaders to live and believe right and follow god??? while the leaders shake legs in the pulpit and drink fine wine

Anonymous said...

They formulate, you conformulate. Understand? Then you focus on values. Understand?

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labour movement and has held the following positions:
Deputy Secretary General, NTUC
Director, Legal Services Department, NTUC
Director, Women’s Development Secretariat, NTUC Executive Secretary, United Workers of Electronics and Electrical Industries

Madam Halimah also sat on the board of the following organisations and
committees:
Geneva-based International Labour Organisation (ILO)
Tripartite Alliance on Fair Employment Practices (TAFEP)
Tripartite Workgroup on Enhancing Employment Opportunities for Women
Tripartite Committee on Home Shoring Young Women’s Muslim Association (YWMA)
Malay Teachers’ Co-operative
Casa Raudha Women’s Home
Ain Society
National University of Singapore (NUS)
Temasek Cares
Comcare Supervisory Committee
Mendaki Sense
SMRT Corporation Ltd

She was elected as the Workers' Vice-Chairperson of the Standards Committee of the International Labour Conference (ILC) in Geneva in 2000, 2001 and 2002 and 2005. In 2003 and 2004, she was the Workers' Spokesperson for the ILC Committee on Human Resources Development and Training.
In 1998, the 86th International Labour Conference adopted the Declaration on Fundamental Principles and Rights at Work. This declaration contains four fundamental policies[8]:

1.The right of workers to associate freely and bargain collectively;
2.The end of forced and compulsory labour;
3.The end of child labour; and
4.The end of unfair discrimination among workers.
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Anonymous said...

"Thank you, Joseph, for the question but I think there’s probably a misunderstanding. Ministers are not given pensions, not the ministers after a
certain age, similar to civil servants. Civil servants, after 1984/86, I think,
no longer are paid pensions. They are all on CPF. The same with ministers. So whatever schemes are applicable to other Singaporeans will also be applicable to ministers, will be applicable to civil servants.
Now, the question is: Are Singaporeans being forced to save? .............."unquote.

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Anonymous said...

"Talented and experience" Halimah will not serve rival political parties. There are many more whose hands are full and grip very tight on your jugular veins. You think computer software is your only problem?

Anonymous said...

The opposition should try to make lots of money first in order to become strong.

Because in Singapore, only money can make things happen, including a strong opposition to happen.


Anonymous said...

Like the church is it? Make plenty of money buy china wine and get drunk is it?

Anonymous said...

So now a female speaker so she will not be involved in some sort of sex scandal? why not change all cabinet ministers to females?

Anonymous said...

8/1/13 12:26 - in reality, many churches have closed down especially in europe.

Anonymous said...

Too much hypocrisy will kill any organization. Too much wild claims and promises will kill your brain cells or make idiots of the people.

Anonymous said...

Daddy, Daddy.
They say Town Council is a public institution.
They say Town Council must work for the benefit of all Singaporeans.
They say Town Councils don't belong to the PAP.

Daddy, Daddy.
How ah?

Anonymous said...

Male or female is not an issue.
How many they share bed with is oso not an issue.
So long as they are caring and love the people like
they love their lovers, it will be fine.
The more people each can share his/her bed means
he/she is loveable or at least likeable, that is why
people love them.
When they are efficient and caring, what else can we
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Anonymous said...

I remember the PAP telling everyone that the WP manifesto put forward years ago was touted to be full of time bombs.

Now, I think the whiter than white party has placed more time bombs throughout the organisations under their tentacles - TCs, PAs, Civil Service, Legal service etc that Singaporeans had never yet been told about.

Worse than that, they probably have land mines in every nook and cranny touched by their dirty and slimy hands to sabotage the opposition should they lose the power to control.

Citizens must continue to expose such a tangled web of deceit weaved over the last four and a half decades.

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Singaporeans have done quite well on the Last couple of years. They have kicked out Wong Kan Seng, a DPM, Mah Boh Tan, a full cabinet minister, George Yeo, Ex Foreign Ministet, Lim Hwee Hua and two other MPs and a aspiring Labour Wannabe Ong Ye Kung.

The Voters had voted for WP at Aljunied GRC, Hougang SMC and soon Punggol East SMC.

The Next move shall be the sacking of pious but conscienceless folks incharge of housing, healthcare, Labour and all Ex military membets in the Cabinet. When these folks are removed, the Rest of their Cabinet Colleagues will wake up to their senses. They had taken the people for granted for too long as though they are indeed daft as branded.

It is also high time to remove latent problems created by policies besetting our youngs. Imagine how are they to compete with aliens for jobs, buy their homes, get married and procreate with everything raised beyond their incomes. When basic essentials are beyond them, how are they to live happy? We need to be mindful of their future.

All the messy stuff that had happened in the past are also in urgent needs to be cleared, otherwise the rots will sink deeper and beyond recovery. It is only with people power that there can be damage repair, depending on the people that caused the damages is hopeless.

Singaporeans are wising up and it bodes well for all. Keep it up fellow countrymen.

patriot

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